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01:11<vortek>is there a world of warcraft like game for debian ? or any type of mmorpg?
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01:22<vortek>ahh i found a few
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01:40<Yst>I'm setting up a USB drive and I've heard both that ext4 is better for USB drive file systems and that ext2 is better for them. Does anyone have any advice?
01:40<Yst>Never mind, I should have asked in -offtopic.
01:41<jm_>my recommendation would be to use FAT unless you need things that unix file systems offer over that
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01:42<themill>a journalling filesystem has a lot going for ir
01:42<themill>it
01:43<jelly>Yst: is it a cheap stick or a metal platter or consumer ssd device
01:43<Yst>I was told that a journalling file system might cause the drive to wear out faster because of extra writes though.
01:44<Yst>jelly: It's a stick, but I'm not sure if it's cheap.
01:44<jelly>a cheap stick won't deal with constant rewrites to a suboptimal place, but often they have provisions for rewrites in the exact same place where the FAT tables are supposed to be
01:44<Yst>It's an "EGLET" brand device, I don't know if that means anything.
01:44<jelly>going with "noname stick" then
01:45<Yst>Okay, so the journal is in one place, so the constant rewriting to that place is bad and I should avoid a journalling file system?
01:46<jelly>if you need unix permissions, go with ext4 then, I guess, probably without a journal. Just take extra care to umount is safely as soon as unneeded
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01:48<Yst>I don't need UNIX permissions, I just need reasonable file names. Case sensitivity is very important and the ability to use characters such as question marks is important as well.
01:49<Yst>The lack of fragmentation in the ext* series is a bonus too.
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01:52<jelly>they just hide it better until you hit 80%+ blocks usage then it all goes to crap
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01:54<jelly>YP-SU-1R-01x48_49.mkv: 15232 extents found # file copied onto a 98% used 1TB ext4
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01:54<jelly>and that's copied with cp, not torrented in place.
01:54<Yst>Hmm. That's too bad, though dealing with the fragmentation issue is just a bonus. The main issue is that on the more common USB drive file systems (the Windows file systems) I can't add add my files to the drive because the file system doesn't like my file names.
01:55<Yst>I'm not sure what that means. That file is in that many pieces?
01:55<jelly>it's in 15k pieces, yes
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01:56<jelly>oh sorry, that's an ext3 not ext4
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01:57<Yst>It's probably about the same, at least from my perspective.
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01:57<Yst>I'm not sure of most of the differences between the three.
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02:04<Yst>I hate how long it takes to format a drive. I always think that something must be wrong.
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02:05<Yst>THis drive is a replacement for one that actually *was* buggy too, which compounds my paranoia.
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02:41<avis>secure your boxen was once said by me in this or a related channel in the 90's. i did it because an angel asked me to.
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04:22<barteks2x>mplayer crashes when I try to open video recorded using ffmpeg
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05:11<ikletti>Hi. Doing a re-install of my system replacing (K)ubuntu 14.04 with Debian Jessie, I hit a problem with Kicad: After adding jessie-backports to the sources and doing "apt-get update", the current stable build of Kicad (4.0.2) should be available. However, only the packages kicad-doc-ja and kicad-doc-nl are at version 4.0.2, all other kicad packages are still at version 0.20140622+bzr4027-3. Looking at the ftp server used in sources.list, the
05:11<ikletti>files are there. What am I missing?
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05:13<towo^work>ikletti, apt-cache policy kicad
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05:24<ikletti>towo^work, thanks. Further reading led me to "apt-get install kicad/jessie-backports". Try to learn something new everyday: Check :-)
05:25<barteks2x>how to install kdenlive? kdenlive : Depends: libav-tools but it is not going to be installed
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05:27<barteks2x>When I try to install libav-tools it removes ffmpeg
05:27<barteks2x>and I need ffmpeg
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05:30<OdyX>Do you ?
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05:31<barteks2x>well... I think so. Why libav-tools conflict with ffmpeg?
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05:35<jm_>actually libav-tools from bpo depends on ffmpeg
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05:38<Guest1774>czesc nazywam sie lolek
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05:41<barteks2x>For me it tries to remove ffmpeg. I read abit about it and they seem to do the same things. Does libav-tools allow to do the same thigns as ffmpeg?
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05:51<jm_>are you using jessie?
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05:57<barteks2x>yes
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05:57<barteks2x>I already installed libav-tools
05:59<jm_>then try installing both ffmpeg and libav-tools from bpo
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06:02<barteks2x>bpo?
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06:09<jm_>!bpo
06:09<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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06:12<barteks2x>if avconv allow to do the same things as ffmpeg, I can use this.
06:12<jm_>I assumed you used already that as ffmpeg is not available in jessie
06:13<barteks2x>I had ffmpeg before installing avlib-tools
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06:13<barteks2x>but I think I have backports repository already
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06:13<barteks2x>I had to add it to install java 8
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06:15<luigi_>hello room
06:16<luigi_>some one can tell me if this channel is right to ask some thins about debian prob?
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06:17<duclicsic>luigi_: this is the support channel for debian, we support the current stable release here
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06:29<luigi>hello room
06:30<luigi>some one can help me with the internet connection on debian jessie
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06:30<luigi>i have internet connection but it isn't stable
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06:33<duclicsic>luigi: are you sure the issue is with your system, and not a problem with the connection itself?
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06:40<luigi>duclicsic: sorry me i lost the connection again
06:41<luigi>duclicsic: anyway i think its the prob of the os because i use my laptop also at university and i hv the same prob there
06:41<duclicsic>wifi or wired?
06:42<luigi>duclicsic: wifi
06:43<luigi>duclicsic: do you have anyidea how i can test the net?
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06:45<duclicsic>well wifi issues are difficult.. it could be as simple as a poor signal. i assume you've checked if it's more stable when you're closer to the AP?
06:46<duclicsic>do you encounter similar issues when using a wired connection?
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06:48<luigi>duclicsic: im very close to the wifi router
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06:48<duclicsic>do you have a strong signal?
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06:49<duclicsic>what makes you think it's the OS and not the hardware that is at fault? have you tested this with a previous OS?
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06:49<jm_>or with differenbt hardware?
06:49<luigi>duc: and no i dont tried with wired
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06:51<luigi>duc: yes i think the hardware is ok because with my last os (windows 10) the wifi connection was ok
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08:41<stripe>hi all, problems with the time on the desktop, the clock is an hour slow and if I change it it reverts to the wrong time after a reboot, any ideas?
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08:42<Brigo>stripe, dual boot system?
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08:42<stripe>no only jessie
08:43<asdfasdf>[A
08:43<asdfasdf>[A
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08:44<Brigo>stripe, then check locales.
08:45<stripe>just checked #dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and its showing the correct timezone, but utc seems to be an hour out, will check that
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08:47<stripe>Brigo, yep UTC is an hour slow, just need to find how to sync it with a time server
08:48<Brigo>ntpdate, ntpd, etc.
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08:48<Sicelo>hmm
08:49<Sicelo>not that your hardware clock is not set correctly?
08:49<Brigo>ntp, network time protocol was created just for that. :)
08:50<Sicelo>1 hour is too much difference imo. the hwclock is set wrong
08:51<themill>Sicelo: do you dual boot with some other operating system?
08:51<themill>err stripe ^^
08:51<Sicelo>themill: +1
08:52<stripe>the mill, no just jessie
08:53<stripe>just installed ntp and that seems to have corrected the time, (both utc and local) just going for a reboot to see if it sticks.
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09:14<stripe>got it the hardware clock was being read as local time not utc, all good now :-)
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09:23<Sicelo>stripe: :)
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09:46<EmleyMoor>I'm looking for a video player app that can also "play" the GPS channel of dashcam movies to a map... anyone heard of anything like that that will work on Debian?
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09:47<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: I'm not aware of any, but I'm not sure all dash cams record this in the same format anyway.
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09:49<duclicsic>i have a dash cam myself, and it actually installs a small application to the SD card for doing just that, but of course it's a crappy windows app. never actually tried to make it work.
09:49<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: There may be several formats but this one is quite common I think - the Windows software that can do it is "Datakam Player - Registrator Viewer"
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09:49<EmleyMoor>... and wine won't run it
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09:52<duclicsic>yeah I think you might be out of luck
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09:59<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: though if you do find something let me know, i'd be interested to try it too.
10:00<duclicsic>if you're not bothered about a map, you can get the gps coordinates into the video by turning them into a subtitle track.
10:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that might be a stopgap idea
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11:15<inkbottle>Hi, even though I closed Kmail, yet I still have new incoming mail notifications
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11:19<Sicelo>some sort of tray? check in ps as well
11:19<somiaj>inkbottle: how did you close Kmail? Where are you getting these notifications? Sometimes just closing a window doesn't stop it from running in the background (depending on the app)
11:19<somiaj>it could be another app giving you the notifications? Is it a local mail server or a remote noe?
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11:20<inkbottle>somiaj: I closed it with Ctrl-Q
11:20<inkbottle>I can check if there is sth still running
11:21<abrotman>ps aux | grep noti
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11:22<inkbottle>abrotman: /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent...
11:22<inkbottle>but I can't kill akonadi
11:23<inkbottle>and there's no akonadi entry in Settings
11:23<Sicelo>it will probably say mail or something
11:24<Sicelo>anyway, /me goes afk
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11:32<inkbottle>So, I did akonadictl stop ; it will do for a while
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14:03<Yst>I just used the "flac" command to convert a WAVE file to FLAC, then used "flac -d" to convert it back. The "diff" command says that the new WAVE file doesn't match the old WAVE file. Does anyone know why that would be or know a better way to convert WAV to FLAC in such a way that it can be converted back?
14:05<zeta>Yst: maybe the --keep-foreign-metadata flag does the trick?
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14:06<Yst>zeta: You mean when converting from WAVE to FLAC? I tried with and without that flag. When converting back to WAVE, both files match each other, but don't match the original pre-FLAC WAVE file.
14:07<zeta>i meant both ways
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14:08<zeta>not sure what else there is that's different and diff looks at
14:10<Yst>zeta: Sweet, that worked. Thank you! I find that strange though, WAVE files shouldn't even have meta data, or so I thought.
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14:11<zeta>i think it's not commonly used
14:12<zeta>which might be why flac discards it by default
14:13<aeb>Yst: RIFF WAVE is a somewhat flexible format, it can contain tagged data chunks besides the usual audio specification and audio data
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14:16<Yst>Huh. If I convert from WAVE to FLAC using that flag, edit the meta data of the FLAC file, then convert back to WAVE with that flag, the new and old WAVE files match. So even when telling the
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14:17<Yst>Huh. If I convert from WAVE to FLAC using that flag, edit the meta data of the FLAC file, then convert back to WAVE with that flag, the new and old WAVE files match. So even when telling the "flac" command to preserve the meta data, that's not what it's actually preserving.
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14:18<zeta>_foreign-metadata_
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14:19<zeta>stuff flac doesn't understand
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14:20<zeta>as aeb said, those can be any kind of non-audio chunks
14:20<Yst>OH! Okay, I get it.
14:21<Yst>Huh. I wonder where it ends up in the FLAC file then.
14:21<Yst>Thank you very much!
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14:23<spel>I have an offline pc that's being quite obtuse to set up. It's got a proprietary wireless, I've installed the firmware with dpkg and a memory stick, and iw gives me an operation not supported error when I try to set it up. Is there any easy way to get the xfce environment installed on an offline computer, bar installing all the packages manually?
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14:24<Yst>Huh. I think that the easy way would be to put it online with an Ethernet cord. If you want to keep it offline though, you could use one of the Debian live CDs.
14:24<aeb>Yst: There might still be no guarantee that the extra chunks end up in the same place as before (before or after the fmt and data chunks, or inbetween) or there might. I don't know what flac does there.
14:25<Yst>The Debian Live CDs have all the desktop components that you'd need to set the machine up without an Internet connection.
14:25<Yst>Several desktops are available, and last I checked, there was an Xfce desktop live Debian CD.
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14:26<Yst>spel: <https://www.debian.org/CD/live/>
14:27<spel>I'm in one of those horrible apartment situations where I don't have ethernet, just wireless unfortunately. The xfce live CD hanged for about 30 minutes last time I tried - this is an ooooold horrible machine that's just to be used for playing with libreboot, it only had 1g of ram
14:27<Yst>Libreboot, nice.
14:27<spel>Thanks though. I should have said I'd tried that in the first place
14:27<Yst>I'm not sure what to try then, sorry.
14:28<spel>No worries, thanks for trying. I'll hang about in case someone else sees it. Otherwise I guess I have to pay through the nose for some DDR2
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14:29<zeta>spel: have you tried the pre-installed firmware images?
14:29<Yst>You might not need the RAM if you don't mind a walk to a local library or restaurant. The Libreboot machines are lapto .... Oh, right. I forgot, no Wi-Fi.
14:29<zeta>assuming libreboot doesn't mess with the hardware in some way
14:29<spel>It's the gigabyte motherboard. I picked it up with a processor and a gb of RAM for £25
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14:30<spel>I'm using a spare raspi wireless adapter, but it's a ralink.
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14:31<zeta>spel: if it's ralink the pre-installed firmware really might be a thing to try
14:31<spel>zeta, I've installed the right ralink firmware package using dpkg and a usb stick. iw recognises it as up and can scan and stuff, but freaks out when I try to connect to something. I'm certain the firmware is installed correctly
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14:32<zeta>hm
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14:33<spel>I might be using iw wrong to be honest, though I have managed to do this once before. Last time I was using wpa_supplicant, I don't need it now as the wlan is unsecured
14:34<zeta>in what way exactly does it freak out then? post logs to https://paste.debian.net/ and we'll see if someone here notices something
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14:36<Yst>aeb: I'll keep the order thing in mind. I'm not sure what the data is, I just don't want to lose anything.
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14:38<spel>Logs will be a pain but I'll try again now and type out the errors
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14:39<spel>iw dev wlan0 ibss join networkname bwnumber; failed, operation not supported -95
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14:42<zeta>spel: have you checked what name the network-interface has? just to be sure as jessie introduced some changes there
14:43<spel>dmesg says the firmware has loaded fine,
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14:43<spel>ipv6 addrconf (netdev_up): wlan0 link is not ready
14:44<spel>that's all there is after trying to run. yeah the network name is wlan0 as reported
14:44<spel>network interface*
14:45<spel>I've ifconfig set wlan0 up aswell, and checked
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14:56<spel>zeta, thanks. I think I'm gunna leave it until I can get ethernet/an easier wifi dongle
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18:44<groolot>diefi: I do not use xinerama anymore, but I remember that it wasn't difficult
18:44<groolot>diefi: you have to configure correctly xorg.conf
18:44<groolot>diefi: what is your xorg.conf
18:44<groolot>?.
18:45<jmcnaught>diefi: if you're looking for a seamless desktop across two displays Gnome seems to handle this out of the box plug-and-play for me at least
18:45<diefi>the standard one from aticonfig --inital
18:45<diefi>with dual monitor
18:45<jmcnaught>ahhh.. proprietary drivers are involved no wonder there are problems
18:46<diefi>does shell need randr to run it?
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18:48<diefi>also an interesting point was, I couldn't open the Display setting in System Settings again because of missing randr, though i have it installed
18:49<jmcnaught>my system has xrandr on it, but i don't know what gnome is doing in the background to make multiple screens work. also i was under the impression that fglrx was broken enough that gnome doesn't work under it
18:49<jmcnaught>diefi: is this a jessie system?
18:49<diefi>no wheezy
18:49<diefi>with legacy driver from wheezy-backports
18:50<jmcnaught>wheezy support is ending in a few days you know
18:50<diefi>well not much i can do with a hd4650
18:52<jmcnaught>that card would be supported by the free radeon driver
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18:52<diefi>well to what extend
18:53<jmcnaught>i think fglrx is getting dropped in stretch. it's already dropped in ubuntu 16.04. using the radeon driver is probably your best bet, even on wheezy i was getting decent 3d performance from the radeon driver on my hd5770
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18:53<jmcnaught>decent as in it could play FPS games from the debian repos at full 1080p
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18:55<diefi>well I might test radeon free on wheezy
18:57<diefi>so when is the wheezy support dropped exactly and what would that mean? no more apt-get or do you mean support from this irc channel?
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18:58<jmcnaught>diefi: that's what i recommend, along with upgrading to jessie. take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and note that if you're switching away from the fglrx packages you might need to remove the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d
18:59<diefi>jmcnaught: and what does the drop of wheezy support mean?
18:59<jmcnaught>diefi: no more security updates. there will be a wheezy-lts like there was for squeeze but it will be mostly for server related packages. you will probably be able to ask questions about wheezy in here still, but you'll be constantly reminded to upgrade to the current stable release and as time goes on fewer and fewer people will be willing to help with wheezy
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19:12<alumno>hola
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19:19<alumno>holaaa
19:19<alumno>me ayudan?
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19:35<franksalive>Hello?
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19:37<jmcnaught>franksalive: hello
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19:38<franksalive>is this a place i can ask debian questions?
19:38<jmcnaught>that's exactly what this channel is for! :)
19:38<franksalive>perf
19:39<franksalive>so i use the Kodi apt and every time i pause or restart my show the volume turns all the up?
19:39<franksalive>the system volume
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19:40<jmcnaught>are you using the kodi packages from jessie-backports, or from a repo you found on the kodi website?
19:42<franksalive>im not 100% but i believe it was a backport, im new to debain soo
19:42<jmcnaught>how did you install kodi?
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19:43<jmcnaught>it sounds like a kodi bug to me, it might be better to ask in a kodi channel. if you're using kodi packages provided by debian you could report the bug on the Debian bug tracker (or check to see if it's already reported maybe with a workaround)
19:44<diefi>I experience similar artifacts with my sound. somehow my system sound gets increased by its own...
19:44<diefi>but its happens with vlc
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19:46<diefi>vlc allows you to got over 100% volume that causes system volume to up too, but with quality drops for every other application
19:47<jmcnaught>diefi: VLC as an option to "always reset audio start level to..."
19:48<diefi>it seems it is a problem with pulseaudio according to this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=136405
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19:49<jmcnaught>diefi: oh, the flat-volumes feature
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19:50<diefi>well that was regarding my problem, don't know about franksalive
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19:51<jmcnaught>diefi: that's pretty easy to change in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf (system-wide) or in ~/.config/pulse for just one user
19:52<jmcnaught>franksalive: if you run "apt-cache policy kodi" and put the output on http://paste.debian.net we can help you figure out if you're using Debian or third-party packages for Kodi. In general you can ask about Debian provided software here, but if the software has its own channel you'll likely get better support
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20:02<cr>hi
20:02<sney>hi
20:02<cr>new debian users :)
20:03<cr>sound problems
20:04<cr>@sney help me pls
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20:04<sney>ask your question, give details, and be patient
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20:05<franksalive>jmcnaught its through jessie-backports
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20:07<cr>sney from ?
20:07<sney>cr: that is none of the things I suggested. if you have a problem with debian, describe your whole problem and someone may help you.
20:08<jmcnaught>franksalive: you can check http://bugs.debian.org/kodi to see if others have reported similar problems. Kodi probably also has its own bug tracker you could look for information in, but as a Debian user you should report bugs to Debian not the upstream Kodi project
20:08<cr>ok.
20:08<R4F_Debian>Hi all
20:09<franksalive>thanks
20:09<cr>hi R4F_Debian
20:09<R4F_Debian>Hi cr
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20:10<R4F_Debian>I would like to know if for desktop environment ext4 runs better than xfs
20:11<cr>i have audio problems
20:11<jmcnaught>cr: please describe the problems in more detail. if english is not your first language we might be able to help you find a different debian channel using an easier language for you.
20:12<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell cr about smart questions
20:12<cr>jmcnaught :)))
20:12<cr>turkish
20:13<cr>alsa mixer does not work
20:13<cr>not sound control
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20:14<jmcnaught>cr: i'm not sure if there is a Turkish Debian IRC channel, but there are some options listed here: https://www.debian.org/support.tr.html
20:15<sney>there is #debian.tr on freenode but only 2 people in the channel
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20:16<franksalive>jmcnaught: so it looks like my kodi version is 15.2 where as the bug tracker states 16.1
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20:16<franksalive>how do i update
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20:16<sney>,v kodi
20:16<judd>Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 16.1~rc2+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo1
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20:16<sney>franksalive: 15.2 is the latest available for jessie
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20:18<franksalive>so when i do an update this package fails every timehttp://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages
20:18<sney>... why the hell do you have a ppa
20:19<franksalive>are ppa's not good?
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20:19<sney>they are not supported in debian. they are for ubuntu.
20:19<franksalive>sortof a new to linux
20:19<sney>don't mix random repositories
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20:20<sney>basically the easiest way to break a debian system is to try and mix it with some other debian derivative.
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20:20<jmcnaught>franksalive: the happiest Debian users use stable and stick to what's available in Debian's own repositories (and maybe a few things from debian backports). https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has some advice on stuff to avoid
20:21<cr>#debian.tr no found.
20:22<jmcnaught>cr: try on chat.freenode.net which is a different network
20:22<cr>ok
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20:27<franksalive>noted thanks much!
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20:31<franksalive>is there a way to get a better gui package manager installed?
20:32<jmcnaught>better than what?
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20:34<franksalive>well i used to both mint and ubuntu software centers which seem very institutive whereas the debian not so much
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20:37<jmcnaught>franksalive: but what are you using on Debian? Synaptic? Apper? Gnome Packages?
20:37<jmcnaught>franksalive: the command line tools are pretty easy too
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20:37<franksalive>Gnome Packages
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20:39<jmcnaught>franksalive: that might be the most user friendly package GUI in Debian at this point. gnome-software will be in the next release probably. If you use Iceweasel/Firefox it comes with a search provider for http://packages.debian.org/ that you can use too
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20:42<franksalive>is that just going to the url? or am i missing something?
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20:43<franksalive>i use both iceweasel and chromium
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20:44<franksalive>sorry you guys probably get hit with questions from the new bees all the time
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20:45<sney>same as google/wiki/etc search is built in, debian packages is as well\
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20:54<franksalive>so are we thinking the ppa's broke the system? Kodi also hangs up causing me to restart it
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20:58<jmcnaught>franksalive: it's hard to say with the information you've provided, but if you are using packages from a PPA they are for more likely to be broken/break your system than packages from official Debian sources
20:58<franksalive>is there something i can provide to help?
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20:59<awal_>franksalive, ubuntuis based in debian but itsn't debian.
20:59<franksalive>i am using debian
20:59<franksalive>not ubuntu
20:59<awal_>dpkg may have told you yet what debian based means
20:59<dpkg>awal_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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21:00<awal_>ppas are not really official in ubuntu, how you can use them with debian...
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21:02<jmcnaught>franksalive: i've never used kodi but it might make logs either in /var/log or in the home directory of the user running it. if you run it from a terminal it might also show errors. if you find some Kodi errors you could put them on http://paste.debian.net/
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21:20<franksalive>that log file is huge
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21:25<franksalive>probably a couple thousand lines
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21:25<franksalive>and about 7 log files
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21:27<franksalive>gdb not installed, can't get stack trace.
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21:45<jmcnaught>franksalive: are you talking about kodi logs? you can use the tail command to see the last few lines of a huge file and then use those clues to search the web
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21:47<franksalive>jmcnaught: how do you tag me in the post? by just putting my user name at the front?
21:49<jmcnaught>franksalive: most IRC clients hilight lines with your nickname in them, and most also do tab completion if you start typing someone's nick (careful with that though, there are other people here who have nicks starting with jm)
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21:54<franksalive>jmcnaught, post add to http://paste.debian.net/
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21:55<somiaj>franksalive: can y ou send the actual link
21:55<somiaj>franksalive: should have a number at the end of it
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21:56<franksalive>somiaj, Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
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21:57<somiaj>franksalive: are you having trouble posting the info you were asked for?
21:57<franksalive>somiaj, looks like it might be erring out
21:58<franksalive>somiaj, this will be my first post on a debian sight
21:58<franksalive>somiaj, site
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21:58<somiaj>franksalive: you need to have a minimum number of characters/lines in your paste
21:59<somiaj>franksalive: it shoudln't require a name, but you acn put things there, just no special charcs and max 10 characters (The error you posted)
21:59<franksalive>somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/440899/
22:00<franksalive>jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/440899/
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22:02<jmcnaught>franksalive: being unfamiliar with kodi don't know what's wrong from that. those all seem like warnings and general log info, not actual errors.
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22:03<franksalive>jmcnaught, what should i look for in the log?
22:03<jmcnaught>franksalive: my advice is to confirm that you are still using the kodi package from jessie-backports and not that PPA you mentioned earlier, and also maybe ask in #kodi or #kodi-linux on chat.freenode.net
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22:04<jmcnaught>franksalive: you could try searching the log for the word error "grep -i error /path/to/log | tail -n 100"
22:04<franksalive>jmcnaught, Installed: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1
22:04<franksalive> Candidate: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1
22:04<franksalive> Version table:
22:04<franksalive> *** 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1 0
22:04<franksalive> 100 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages
22:04-!-franksalive was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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22:07*pixel8d facepalms.
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22:08<jmcnaught>franksalive: welcome back :) that bot kicks people automatically if they paste into the channel, it's why the paste site exists :)
22:08<franksalive>jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/440900/
22:09<jmcnaught>franksalive: that would be the debian backports package, so that's good
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22:19<franksalive>jmcnaught, grep not found
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22:21<jmcnaught>franksalive: do you not have the grep package installed for some reason?
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22:23<franksalive>jmcnaught, i searched for that in the log file
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22:23<franksalive>jmcnaught, search for the text i should say
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22:24<jmcnaught>franksalive: oh, grep didn't find the word error in the log file. asking for how to troubleshoot your issue in one of the Kodi channels on freenode is probably a good next step
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22:26<franksalive>jmcnaught, please clarify
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22:27<jmcnaught>franksalive: from what i understand you're telling me grep didn't find the word error in the log file. i think you should ask one of the Kodi channels on chat.freenode.net (a different IRC network) how to troubleshoot your problem
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22:30<franksalive>jmcnaught, thanks will do
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