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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-04-26

---Logopened Tue Apr 26 00:00:45 2016
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09:43<umlaeute>what would the best way to have a tcl/tk application be able to install some packages via apt?
09:44<umlaeute>i used to use something like 'gksudo apt' but gksudo is going to vanish from the archives
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09:44<sney>apt has a library interface
09:44<umlaeute>the main problem is authorization
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09:45<umlaeute>and of course tcl :-)
09:45<sney>https://packages.debian.org/unstable/libapt-pkg-doc probably covered here
09:45<umlaeute>i was thinking about using packagekit
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09:48<umlaeute>sney: libapt-pkg looks like it needs a compiler/linker to be used - i was hoping to be able to stay away from that (arch:all)
09:49<sney>hm. well, this is a little out of my wheelhouse anyway
09:49<sney>#debian-devel might have some wisdom for you
09:49<umlaeute>ok, will ask there
09:49<umlaeute>thx
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10:16<zero1>hi
10:16<zero1>debian repository jessie has php 5.6
10:17<zero1>I'd like to use older php versions, can i safely do so and have unattended security updates?
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10:17<somiaj>zero1: not in jessie, as the older version from wheezy should not be installed in jessie
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10:18<somiaj>zero1: does the version on wheezy suit your needs?
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10:18<zero1>somiaj> what version is it if i may ask? i'd like to downgrade to php 5.3
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10:19<awal_>,v php
10:19<judd>Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+35; stretch: 1:7.0+35
10:19<somiaj>,v php5
10:19<judd>Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.20+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.20+dfsg-1
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10:20<somiaj>zero1: no real support for that in debian. If 5.4 would have worked, I'd suggest just running wheezy (it is going to loose offical support here sometime, but wheezy-lts should provide security support for the server side stuff)
10:20<diefi>Need help removing fglrx-legacy driver
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10:21<somiaj>zero1: squeeze is no longer supported, (squeeze-lts as well is no longer supported), so you won't get any security support in squeeze. So if wheezy or jessie won't suit your needs you'll have to compile your own php5.3 and manage security risks yourself.
10:21<zero1>somiaj> thank you very much for your help :)
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10:22<zero1>i guess i'd better not downgrade then
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10:22<diefi>I get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
10:23<diefi>After using apt-get purge fglrx-legacy-driver
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10:26<zero1>have a nice day, thanks again
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10:30<awal_>diefi, check what apt-get -f install wants to do
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10:32<diefi>It tries to remove fglrx-legacy-driver
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10:33<awal_>thats what you want, eh?
10:33<diefi>Yes I want to try the free driver
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10:35<diefi>Is there a terminal comand for complete reboot?
10:35<peter1138>"reboot"
10:36<diefi>Hmm worked I could swear I tried that
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10:37<diefi>Reboot didn't help still the same error
10:37<awal_>systemctl reboot
10:38<awal_>misunderstood, excuses xD
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10:39<diefi>I meant the reboot didn't help with the purge error
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10:39<peter1138>it wouldn't, no.
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10:44<awal_>http://askubuntu.com/questions/68306/how-do-i-remove-the-proprietary-ati-drivers may give you pistes diefi
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10:47<diefi>The very first line is the problem
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10:48<diefi>Apt-get doesn't let me remove the fglrx-legacy-driver
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10:53<r47>Hi
10:54<musca>hi r47
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11:03<TiTan>Is this the channel for debian questions?
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11:04<blast007>yes
11:04<TiTan>Is there a version of DTrace for Debian? (For Profiling)
11:04<sney>dtrace hasn't been successfully ported to linux yet, afaik.
11:05<sney>freebsd dtrace should work fine on debian kfreebsd though.
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11:05<diefi>Really no one a clue how to remove the legacy driver?
11:06<TiTan>Okay, thank you sney.
11:06<sney>diefi: can you pastebin the full output from 'apt-get -f install' please
11:06<blast007>diefi: please provide the full output (including the command) and post it on https://paste.debian.net
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11:10<diefi>Command apt-get purge fglrx-legacy-driver http://paste.ubuntu.com/16064239/
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11:12<sney>well that's... vague
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11:13<diefi>If you tell me how get a more specific error i'll do that
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11:13<sney>diefi: ok, try deleting the fglrx-legacy-driver .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/, then do aptitude reinstall fglrx-legacy-driver, then try removing it again
11:13<sney>the first step is important because it'll force apt to redownload the package. it seems like it might have been corrupted somehow.
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11:16<diefi>I have other fglrx deb packages in there do they matter?
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11:17<sney>diefi: probably not, since this is the only one giving you a problem for now
11:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 790] by debhelper
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11:19<diefi>Removing with purge?
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11:19<sney>the only difference between those two is purge removes configuration files
11:20<sney>so for this driver I suspect there is no difference at all
11:21<diefi>same problem paste coming
11:22<sney>is your root disk full?
11:23<diefi>Sec nopaste won't process the purge output
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11:24<diefi>Root has 500mb free
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11:24<blast007>are you running Xorg right now?
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11:24<diefi>Terminal
11:24<blast007>so X isn't running at all?
11:26<diefi>Which command should I run to list running processes
11:27<aeb>diefi: I see the postrm is running some checks to see whether it's still enabled in xorg.conf, maybe something goes wrong with that
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11:28<diefi>OK I finally got a useful error
11:28<aeb>diefi: you could try to edit that postrm to remove that check
11:29<diefi>You are right there is a conf file causing the problem
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11:31<diefi>I deleted the xorg.conf but the were remaining files in xorg.conf.d
11:31<aeb>diefi: that's ok, if there is no xorg.conf it will autoconfigure
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11:33<aeb>diefi: or I don't know, I don't have packages installing into xorg.conf.d on my system
11:33<aeb>diefi: if you had some other unofficial version of fglrx dpkgs installed it might have messed up something in the debconf database
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11:34<diefi>OK let's see if I get radeon free tuning
11:34<diefi>*running
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11:35<diefi>The
11:35<diefi>Thank you
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11:36<aeb>diefi: did you manage to get the package deinstalled or do you still need that?
11:36<diefi>I got rid of it
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11:36<aeb>ok, good
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11:38<diefi>As said files in xorg.conf.d were the cause and I only got an usable error pointing to the problem using aptitude purge
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11:40<aeb>well, it shouldn't have failed but shown you a warning that there is still an xorg.conf using fglrx, so that's a bug. Since the package isn't in Debian anymore we can all just shrug and move on.
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11:42<diefi>Should I reinstall x-Server in case there are some leftovers?
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11:44<aeb>probably no need, if that package left stuff lying around reinstalling X might not even help.
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11:45<aeb>If you can run OpenGL programs accelerated then everything is fine — that's the only thing that fglrx could leave broken.
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11:47<aeb>diefi: "glxinfo | grep Accelerated" should tell you
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11:49<aeb>and I think you should get Gallium as renderer in glxinfo | grep "renderer string"
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12:00<diefi>Yeah it's galium. But I didn't get any output for accelerated
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12:01<tremon>I think aeb was thinking of the line "direct rendering: yes"
12:01<diefi>Ahhh how do I get on my second monitor
12:01<diefi>Yeah direct rendering is on
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12:02<tremon>your desktop environment should have a tool for multiple monitor support, if not, you can use the xrandr command line tool
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12:03<diefi>Yeah I used my previous made xorg.conf file but I have to adjust it as it looks
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12:05<aeb>Unless you have some very special requirements you shouldn't need a xorg.conf at all
12:05<diefi_>how do i move a window from one display to an other?
12:05<diefi_>well i have 2 displays that i want to use
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12:06<aeb>that works just fine by configuring it on the desktop, no need to have xorg.conf
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12:06<diefi_>well until i copied it over to x11, I couldn't even use glxinfo due to "missind display"
12:06<diefi_>*missing
12:08<diefi_>Ok the Display option from System Settings is working too
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12:09<diefi_>I think I can work it out from here on on my own.
12:09<diefi_>google is much easier to use on a 1920x1080 display than a smart phone :)
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13:31<pangoi>hi
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13:32<sney>hi
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14:12<diefi>just installed radeon free driver and was testing around how everything works and encountered this error while testing quadrapassel http://paste.debian.net/441296/
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14:14<diefi>is this a kernel problem?
14:14<sney>could be. do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
14:14<diefi>using wheezys standard 3.2
14:14<diefi>yes I have
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14:14<sney>,kernels
14:14<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
14:15<sney>you could try the 3.16 from wheezy-backports
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14:42<diefi>ok it was not a kernel problem
14:42<Celelibi>Damn f*cking f*ck.
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14:42<diefi>at least the problem remains after updating to 3.15
14:42<Celelibi>apt-get update takes so much memory it makes my system unusable.
14:42<diefi>*3.16
14:42<Celelibi>All taken up by rred.
14:43<hse>HI! I have a WLAN problem regarding conflicting modules. It seems I have both "wl" and "brcmsmac" modules installed. However, "wl" doesn't work with my card (BCM / 14e4:4727) even though it is advertised as such on the Debian wiki "wl" page (https://wiki.debian.org/wl). After "sudo modprobe -r wl" and "sudo modprobe brcmsmac" I suddenly get WLAN connections. Question: How can I permamently...
14:43<hse>...remove "wl"?
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14:44<Brigo>hse, you have to blacklist the module
14:44<hse>@bringo: how do I do that?
14:44<Brigo>https://wiki.debian.org/Kernelhttps://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklistingModuleBlacklisting
14:45<hse>@bringo: Thanks!
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14:46<LuisStgo>helo
14:46<diefi>a quick question does debian only provide mesa v8 ?
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14:47<Maulkin>diefi: Which version of Debian?
14:47<LuisStgo>how to manage multiple machines with ldap directory?
14:47<diefi>wheezy
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14:47<Maulkin>diefi: Yup. You should be moving to Jessie now though, wheezy's security support it about to end
14:47<Maulkin>Jessie has 10, and 11 in backports
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14:48<diefi>yeah i know, i'm testing radeon free right now before upgrading
14:48<diefi>but i have problem runnin quadrapassel ... so it doesn't look well
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14:52<Brigo>hse, Brigo, not bringo, please :)
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14:54<hse>Brigo: oops, sorry! 8-)
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15:06<hse>@brigo: thanks again, it worked (just rebooted)!
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15:10<Brigo>hse, good for you :)
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15:18<eju>anyone running with skylake intel gfx on jessie?
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15:21<Maulkin>eju: Nope, but I am on testing.
15:21<Maulkin>eju: You'll probably need to install the kernel from backports
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15:22<eju>Maulkin: yeah, I have 4.4 from backports
15:23<Maulkin>eju: That should do you. What issues are you having?
15:23<eju>x works, but had problems with supertuxracer
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15:23<eju>s/super/extreme/
15:24<eju>(another slightly worrying thing is that the backprots kernel don't seem to get security updates)
15:24<jmcnaught>eju: are you also using the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from jessie-backports?
15:24<Maulkin>Nope, it won't. Though your attack surface is smaller on a desktop/laptop device. HAve you...
15:24<Maulkin>What jmcnaught said
15:24<eju>jmcnaught: no, I'm using the modesetting driver (from jessie)
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15:25<eju>I saw that the intel driver was no longer recommended
15:25<eju>no releases and all that
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15:25<jmcnaught>eju: i'm on jessie but don't have skylake. brand new laptops are a PITA
15:26<eju>jmcnaught: not a laptop, so not that big a PITA ;)
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15:26<eju>hmm, maybe I need libegl1-mesa from backports
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15:28<Maulkin>eju: Just tried it on testing, works super-smooth
15:28<diefi>hi is it possible to mount /tmp folder to swap?
15:29<Maulkin>diefi: Um... not sure what you're trying to do. Do you want /tmp to be a ram based disk, or somethign else?
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15:30<diefi>it feels up to quickly and causes my iceweasle to freeze during video playback
15:30<sney>xy problem alert
15:30<Maulkin>Ok, so you want it bigger, or based on disk, or what?
15:30<diefi>i already fused the root with my tmp to get 750mb but it didn't help much
15:30<diefi>yes
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15:31<diefi>I have 8g swap and only 800mb /tmp
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15:31<Maulkin>You have 8GB swap, or 6GB ram?
15:31<Maulkin>*8GB Ram?
15:32<diefi>4GB ram and 8 GB swap
15:33<Maulkin>Can you put the output of "df -h" on paste.debian.net please? That may help us understand a bit better :)
15:33<diefi>yeah sec
15:33<Maulkin>Also, cat /proc/meminfo, and cat /proc/swaps
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15:33<diefi>http://paste.ubuntu.com/16069999/ for df -h
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15:35<Maulkin>Right, your root device is full. You may want to put /tmp under /home somewhere.
15:35<eju>Maulkin: thanks for checking. testing is tempting, but I went back to debian after a 10+ year break for the stability :)
15:35<Maulkin>eju: Yeah, but basically it means you'll need some backports stuff :)
15:35<jmcnaught>diefi: you know, if you had have put everything on one volume you wouldn't have this problem. why did you put /usr, /var, /home and / on separate volumes in the first place. you have lots of space free but you divided it up in a way that causes problems
15:36<diefi>because when I installed wheezy the first time I didn't know everything would be placed on home
15:37<diefi>I run into space problems
15:37<diefi>i reinstalled and used the default partitioning of wheezy
15:37<diefi>and that what i have now
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15:39<diefi>and it would work if I could put my tmp on swap
15:40<jmcnaught>diefi: if you have a backup of /home you could try reducing its size by 15 or 20GB and extending the rootfs LV.
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15:42<jmcnaught>(and the move /usr to the now larger rootfs LV)
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15:43<Maulkin>diefi: So... you can't put /tmp on swap. You could mount it as a tmpfs (ram disk), but then that will reduce the amount of RAM you have available.
15:44<Maulkin>I would suggest you try and resize your partitions as jmcnaught suggested.
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15:45<Maulkin>diefi: Or, as a workaround, mkdir /home/tmp, and then run "TMPDIR=/home/tmp iceweasel" and see if that works.
15:45<diefi>Maulkin: my swap usage is never higher than a few mb, i could spare a some of it.
15:45<diefi>Maulkin: ok
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15:46<Maulkin>diefi: It shouldn't be higher, as swap is only used in large amounts once you run out of ram
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15:46<sney>the "2x ram" rule is from the days when it was common to only have 64MB of actual ram or so
15:46<diefi>Maulkin: basiclly the same function as /tmp
15:46<Maulkin>And you'll basically be going hdd -> ram -> swap (on the hdd) which is inefficeint, unless you're deliberately doing it for a few reasons, so you should just shove it on disk in the first place.
15:47<sney>currently, the biggest your swap should be (on a desktop system) is the same as your ram, and that's only if you want to use suspend to disk
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15:48<diefi>I'm aware of that, and I tried to reduce my swap to 4g to use the rest for /tmp, but I couldn't do that
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15:49<sney>that would be pretty easy actually. delete your swap partition, recreate it smaller, make a filesystem with the remainder and mount it as /tmp
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15:49<Maulkin>Yeah, what sney said :)
15:49<sney>or equivalent as applies to lvm, I guess.
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15:49<diefi>I was trieng to do it with lvresize
15:49<diefi>should i do it with fdisk?
15:50<sney>swap doesn't need to be resized
15:50<sney>you can just delete it.
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15:50<jmcnaught>diefi: make sure you stop that swap before you delete it. if it's a logical volume lvremove is the command
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15:51<diefi>well its listed under lvdisplay http://paste.ubuntu.com/16070244/
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15:52<jochensp>Hi, I'm getting "Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature" on a newly installed system using debootstrap --foreign, any ideas?
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15:52<jmcnaught>diefi: "lvs" makes a more concise list of logical volumes
15:53<sney>jochensp: does /usr/bin/apt-key exist?
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15:53<jochensp>sney: yes
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15:53<jmcnaught>diefi: the swapoff command for disabling the swap, and then maybe confirm with "free"
15:54<sney>is it excecutable? and in a filesystem mounted without noexec?
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15:54<jochensp>sney: all yes, I can even do apt-key export 46925553 to get the key in question
15:54<diefi>jmcnaught: than the resizing should work?
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15:55<aeb>jochensp: was the install completed with debootstrap --second-stage?
15:55<jochensp>aeb: yes
15:55<jmcnaught>diefi: once you remove the swap LV with lvremove you'll have unallocated space you can use to grow the rootfs LV with.
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16:03<diefi>OK I did everything, but turning doing swapon causes a problem because it still tries to assign 8g for swap for the new 4g http://paste.debian.net/441378/
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16:04<diefi>should I use resise2fs even through swap is not and ext format?
16:07<sney>diefi: did you delete the swap partition or did you resize it?
16:07<diefi>ok I needed to do a new mkswap
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16:07<sney>yes, mkswap will fix this
16:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 786] by debhelper
16:08<diefi>but what about the insecure permissions 1660, 0660 suggested output?
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16:09<diefi>sney: I only resized it, but mkswap seems to update everything thats needed
16:10<diefi>do I understand that correctly, that it wants me to change the permissions from 1660 to 0660?
16:10<diefi>I thought the 1-xxx bit makes it secure not the other way around
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16:11<sney>'suggested' means just that. you can change it if you want, but it will work either way
16:11<sney>a system with 4G of memory isn't going to be using much swap anyway...
16:11<diefi>i know i never saw it use more than 4mb...
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16:36<Guest1948>hello, i have a question about the archive bit. From my understanding the archive bit symbolizes the "This file needs to be backed up" attribute. I've read that a full Backup resets the archive bit, which i don't understand.
16:36<Guest1948>i thought that the full backup process doesn't touch the archive bit, because it wants to backup the file again when it comes around for the next fullbackup. So why the reset ?
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16:39<Maulkin>Guest1948: Hi there
16:39<lukas2>hi
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16:40<Maulkin>Guest1948: As I understand it, there's not an archive bit in linux...
16:40<Guest1948>omg the fail
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16:41<Guest1948>i thought linux and m$ both have the archive bit
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16:59<jochensp>sney, aeb: I found the problem, I was running apt update in a chroot with qemu-arm-static, doing it on the real system worked
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17:55<user>hi there
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17:55<Guest1957>i have an issue
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17:56<Guest1957>once i was helped here to recover a lost password
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17:57<Guest1957>i happened to use a shell script attached to a word list to brute force logins
17:57<Guest1957>untill here ok?
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17:58<Guest1957>hello?
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17:59<Guest1957>the hacking is on top of my stuff
17:59<Guest1957>i forgot the password because i am dumb
17:59<jelly>and you lost the same password again?
17:59<Guest1957>no
18:00<jelly>ok. so then what's the question
18:00<Guest1957>i understood before the scripts and how to use john and stuff BUT
18:00<Guest1957>i happens that it is not a situation usual like, boot with live dvd and do the work on the hard disk
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18:01<Guest1957>the situation is a bit more complicated
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18:02<Guest1957>the "hard disk" is a virtual file of virtual box :/
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18:02<Guest1957>i mean
18:03<Guest1957>it is a virtual hd
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18:03<Guest1957>therefore i cant do the trick of booting with live dvd
18:03<Guest1957>it is a file
18:05<blast007>Guest1957: what kind of password did you forget? the login password for a computer?
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18:05<Guest1957>the lost pass is inside an lvm encrypted of virtual box file
18:05<jelly>Guest1957: of course you can boot a vbox VM from an live .iso image
18:06<KB3VGW>evening whats the channel for debian pkging help
18:06<Guest1957>but how to iterate and use the shell script attached on virtual box
18:06<Guest1957>??
18:06<jelly>run in inside vbox is the simplest thing to do
18:07<Guest1957>the lvm encrypted do not offer a shell to run the script
18:08<jelly>Guest1957: boot from a live .iso, unlock the crypto device manually (if luks, cryptsetup luksOpen ...), and then do whatever you need to do
18:08<jelly>just like you would with a physical machine, only easier because you can use the .iso directly
18:09<jelly>KB3VGW: if you plan to upload the resulting packages to Debian, #debian-mentors. Otherwise here I guess.
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18:11<KB3VGW>ok
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18:12<Guest1957>i will try, but by now i am not optimistic, because i saw promisses of recover password using luks, but the hole promisse of security is that it is hacking proof
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18:13<franksalive>what is the best way to go about submitting a bug report? This will be the first time i have done this?
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18:13<jochensp>franksalive: reportbug
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18:14<franksalive>jochensp, Thanks! i should have seen that
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18:15<Guest1957>i woul rather like to increase 50 point in my qi than inches in my d*ck
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18:16<Guest1957>iq
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18:19<Guest1957>the damn pass is in my head, hiddenn somewhere, damn
18:19<Guest1957>i always give the gold rule
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18:20<Guest1957>create a rule and then you can do gigantic passwords
18:21<Guest1957>AND remember
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18:24<Guest1957>a not very smart rule is create only fibonatti sequences. this is for class purposes
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18:25<Guest1957>i am victim of my own humanity
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18:27<Guest1957>by the way
18:27<Guest1957>crunch to generate wordlist, and advice... you gonna need Terabytes of HD
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18:28<Guest1957>forgot those ssd
18:28<jmcnaught>Guest1957: please try to keep it family friendly and support related. also for the future i recommend you start using a password manager like keepassx for example.
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18:28<jmcnaught>Guest1957: is the password that you forgot the one that unlocks the encrypted device?
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18:29<Guest1957>i am talking about the password that unlocks an lvm encrypted in the very starting step of boot
18:30<Guest1957>but remembre
18:30<Guest1957>in a virtual machine
18:30<Guest1957>this make the stuff a bit more complicated
18:31<franksalive>jochensp, so when i go to submit my bug it states my kodi apt is out of date, but when i try to update in the terminal it state i already have the newest version?
18:32<jochensp>franksalive: which package?
18:32<blast007>franksalive: you getting it from jessie-backports?
18:33<franksalive>jochensp, kodi and yes from backports
18:33<blast007>what version do you have installed right now?
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18:34<franksalive>blast007, 15.2
18:34<blast007>that is the latest version in jessie-backports
18:35<jmcnaught>Guest1957: virt-rescue from libguestfs-tools might be able to help, it's sort of like a rescue CD for virtual disk images, but i'm not sure if it has cryptsetup on it. you might be able to script something using guestfish (the interactive shell from libguestfs-tools)
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18:36<franksalive>blast007, that is what i was thinking but reportbug states my version is out of date and there is 16.1
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18:42<Guest1957>jmcnaught: virt-rescue with a large hard disk may be the solution
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18:44<jmcnaught>Guest1957: also manage your passwords better. Don't try to keep them all in your brain, use a password manager (a local one, not an online service)
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18:45<randomnick111>good morning
18:45<Guest1957>i might be wrong but in my opinion there is ony ONE sefe location to store sentitive data, the brain
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18:46<randomnick111>Hi, I would like to setup a mail server with ssl. Can I use letsencrypt for it?
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18:48<jmcnaught>randomnick111: sure why not?
18:48<sney>randomnick111: sure, tls certs work the same way for email servers as they do for websites
18:49<Guest1957><randomnick111>: take care of spf and dkim, you may have trouble to send mail to big companys
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18:51<jmcnaught>Guest1957: if you use an encrypted password manager you can lock it with a single very long/complex passphrase. Then that's the only one you need to memorize. All of your other passwords saved in the database can be unique random strings. Then you won't have to keep coming on IRC asking people how to crack your forgotten passwords ;)
18:52<randomnick111>sney, jmcnaught k thx.
18:52<randomnick111>Guest1957, what do you mean by "take care"?
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18:54<Guest1957><jmcnaught>: my friend remember that every typing is a security risk, linux protect us hiding typings
18:54<Guest1957><jmcnaught>: your idea is almos good
18:55<Guest1957><jmcnaught>: but unhide with gpg the file with 10 pass and SHOW it on the screen baby
18:56<jmcnaught>Guest1957: so don't use a password manager that shows the passwords on the screen.
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18:59<sney>randomnick111: there are a lot of 'best practices' for running email servers, well documented online, so your reputation stays good and you don't get blacklisted etc. SPF and DKIM are a start but there's other stuff. just do your research, it's fairly straightforward
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19:07<Guest1957>there are interfaces that may prevent the use of pass managers
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19:07<Guest1957>a manager is nao a bad idea, but in many situations it is impossible to call them
19:08<Guest1957>i will put steroids in my neurons
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19:09<Guest1957>and live the rest of my live hearing loud motocycles
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19:13<link>motocycles are future
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19:13<Guest1957>seriously naught i ll give it a try after burn all my memory in typing
19:14<randomnick111>sney: I see that now, thx.
19:14<randomnick111>good night
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19:15<link>coffees' never far ! you too bro
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19:18<franksalive>how can i upgrade to Debian unstable?
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19:23<Guest1957>to unstable? is it a joke?
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19:31<Guest1957>ive seen shell scripts more frightening than quantum math
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19:33<abrotman>franksalive: if you have to ask, please do'nt
19:34<franksalive>abrotman, LOL im a risk taker
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19:37<Guest1957>its all about trust
19:37<Guest1957>and i trust only debian
19:38<themill>well you can trust sid to have a collection of unsatisfiable dependencies
19:39<Guest1957>when the team is gonna build a phone 'distro'? copy from canonical in the worst scenario
19:40<Guest1957>it would be a koke everywhere
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19:40<Guest1957>canonical always is suposed to copy from debian
19:41<Guest1957>koke fix joke
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19:44<Guest1957>nothing against android you know,and nothing against ubuntu also
19:44<Guest1957>think of sudo
19:44<Guest1957>pass root od5098438979667876*(&*&%4$6%#$&3&#&653%
19:44<Guest1957>pass user 123
19:45<Guest1957>user sudo mess my day
19:45<Guest1957>makes sense
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19:48<retrospectacus>stop telling everyone my password Guest1957
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20:13<Guest1957>the phone of larry page is an iphone
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20:16<Guest1957>can I trust ubuntu for phone?
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20:16<abrotman>Guest1957: this channel is for Debian
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20:17<Guest1957>rooting with out-of-play apk I nuked my android
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20:17<Guest1957>abrotman: where is DEBIAN for phone?
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20:18<sney>Guest1957: if you have debian support questions, you can ask them here, but please keep other noise in social channels (or keep it to yourself)
20:19<Guest1957>rude
20:19<abrotman>Guest1957: Do you need help with Debian?
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20:22<Guest1957>just a lobby to start a phone project for debian, because debian left all of us orphans in the fiels os smartphones
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20:22<Guest1957>it is not a hard question but an idea
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20:23<sney>Guest1957: this channel has rules, it is a support channel, if you want to talk about your projects then #debian-offtopic is for that. please follow the community rules, everyone else follows them and you are not special
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20:26<Guest1957>i have to say that i am curious about the wills ans desires of the debian team concerning any phone support.
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20:27<sney>!mobile
20:27<dpkg>You can install Debian on your <android> based mobile device using <lildebi> or manually install Debian in a chroot: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid . More advanced approaches are possible but require a lot more work, e.g. http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/ . See also https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile and #debian-mobile on irc.oftc.net.
20:27<sney>it's pretty minimal though because so much mobile hardware requires non-free components
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20:30<slenderman>ping
20:31<Guest1957>based on your knowlege does the the minimal installation provide phoene call capabilities and shell app ?
20:31<slenderman>anybody can tell me the ip of this server?
20:31<sney>I believe phone calls are not supported, but you do get bash and a basic userland
20:32<Guest1957>sney: a phone da do not do calls is almost a joke
20:33<sney>complain to the device manufacturers then, get them to open their hardware
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20:33<Guest1957>i got
20:34<calher>I have minimal install.
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20:34<calher>Can't connect to open WiFi network.
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20:34<calher>Used same open WiFi network to install Debian.
20:34<sney>calher: what have you tried so far
20:35<calher>sney: Making paste...
20:35<twb>Is there a font in debian for futhark codepoints? (U+16F1-16F8)
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20:38<calher>sney: What I did: <http://paste.debian.net/441537/>.
20:38<Guest1957>letme say a short testemonial
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20:39<Guest1957>i installed an app for android for rooting from the play store
20:39<abrotman>Guest1957: Please do not do that
20:39<sney>Guest1957: please don't, this is not a forum for ranting
20:39<Guest1957>wont hurt anyone
20:39<sney>calher: if you check 'iwconfig wlan0' does it show you are associated to the access point you selected?
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20:40<abrotman>Guest1957: there are better places to rant about such things, this isn't the place
20:40<calher>sney: I don't know.
20:40<calher>sney: I only have one computer, so I have to boot into a live Trisquel system to IRC.
20:41<calher>And my FDE pass is quite long, so rebooting is a hassle.
20:41<calher>So I have to do things in batches.
20:42<calher>(Just FYI.)
20:42<sney>calher: ok. well, the wireless-mode "master" is unnecessary so I would remove that line. otherwise it looks ok so the next step is to make sure you're associated to the access point (it will be fairly obvious from the iwconfig output), then check standard networking stuff like if you're receiving an ip from the dhcp server, and routes, dns etc
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20:53<sney>twb: looks like it's in unifont
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20:55<twb>sney: only that? Because unifont is obvious pretty sucky
20:56<twb>I was hopking for something like Droid Sans Viking
20:57<sney>better than legos any rate
20:57<twb>IDGI
20:58<sney>(the squares that represent 'unknown unicode glyph' often resemble legos)
20:59<sney>there should be a better way to search this, though
21:00<twb>the way I usually do it is to look up the task for the language
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21:01<twb>e.g. task-amharic-desktop recommends fonts-sil-abyssinica
21:02<twb>But yeah, it'd be nice if I could essentially run fc-list and fc-match across all fonts that debian has, without having to install them myself
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21:04<twb>Hm, aptitude search ~sfonts~Rrecommends:~ntask-.*-desktop is actually quite a short list -- only 34 fonts
21:05<twb>*only 34 font packages
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21:55<cr>hi
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21:55<twb>cr: hi, do you have a- oh well
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21:57<xuhui>hi
21:58<sney>hi
21:58<xuhui>anybody?
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21:58<sney>do you have a debian question
21:58<xuhui>nope
21:58<sney>then no, there is not anybody. try #moocows if you want to chat
21:59<xuhui>what is moocows?
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21:59<twb>xuhui: it is a chat channel, like #debian-offtopic.
21:59<storge>cows that moo
21:59<twb>It is not clear to me whether #moocows has supercow powers.
22:00<xuhui>okay
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22:41<CooloutAC>it aint that linux is hard to use, its just that pieces of shit like you have kept it unpopular all these years.....
22:42<CooloutAC>that needs to change now more then ever.
22:42<CooloutAC>or else blame yourselves.
22:42-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:42-!-CooloutAC was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
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22:42<abrotman>no need to have that here also ...
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22:52<trump>Sup all
22:53<sney>hi
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