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---Logopened Thu Apr 28 00:00:48 2016
00:01<k-man>how do i specify the dns server when i set a static ip address for an interface?
00:01<k-man>iirc, /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten these days
00:02<somiaj>k-man: depends
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00:02<k-man>somiaj, i love answers like that ;)
00:02<somiaj>k-man: If the only thing managing your network is the interfaces file and you aren't using any dhcp client it won't get overwritten
00:02<somiaj>if you want to you can install the openresolv (or resolvconf) package which manges /etc/resolv
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00:03<k-man>oh... is that a good idea?
00:03<somiaj>in that case there is nameserver options you can add to the interfaces file to tell openresolv what to do, I forget the exact name of the config options though
00:03<somiaj>k-man: if nothing is overwriting your resolv.conf file it shouldn't be an issue
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00:03<k-man>ok, let me try that first
00:03<somiaj>I only ever installed those when I had a setup in which I used various different static ips depending on location and got tired of manually changing the resolv.conf
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00:04<k-man>oh, it says it was generated by networkmanager
00:04<somiaj>but on my destkop witha static ip I don't use them
00:04<somiaj>yea if you have something managing yoru network besides the interfaces file then you will have trouble
00:05<k-man>hmm
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00:05<somiaj>but if you have multiple things trying to manage resolv.conf, then openresolv (or resolvconf) will help with that.
00:07<k-man>i don't think I use network manager despite the contents of resolf.conf
00:07<k-man>resolve.conf
00:07<k-man>I'll add the nameserver there for now, and see what happens
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00:08<somiaj>k-man: could be an old one around. But dpkg -l | grep network-manager or systemctl status (and then look for network-manger runnig) to make sure
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00:26<acd22c>hi, im having this error while trying to install gedit and any other program .. https://paste.debian.net/443147/
00:27<acd22c>could someone please help, i tried to do various things such as apt-get update or apt-get -f install but it wont help
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00:29<somiaj>acd22c: care to give teh output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
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00:30<acd22c>somiaj one moment
00:32<acd22c>somiaj https://paste.debian.net/443148/
00:32<somiaj>acd22c: it appears you only have the soruces from the cdimage you installed from. Is hti smachien online, you need to set up the internet sources
00:32<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
00:32<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
00:35<acd22c>somiaj hmm what should i do in the terminal ?
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00:36<acd22c>not sure which file to pick from that website
00:36<somiaj>acd22c: read the factoid, modify your /etc/apt/sources.list file, comment out the cdrom lines (with a # at the start) and add the three lines the bot told you to
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00:41<acd22c>somiaj is this the one that i need to download Contents-source.gz 02-Apr-2016 09:00 42401622 ?
00:43<somiaj>acd22c: no
00:43<somiaj>acd22c: you need to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list file and add the three lines the bot told you
00:43<somiaj>you should porbbaly comment out the cdrom lines you currently have
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00:45<acd22c>somiaj i see now, one moment
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00:48<acd22c>somiaj i did add those 3 lines but when im trying to save it says Permission denied.
00:48<somiaj>you ahve ot modify the file as root.
00:49<acd22c>one moment let me see
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00:52<acd22c>somiaj i did open terminal and i did type su and the password but how can i open the file with root im kinda confused
00:53<somiaj>what text editor do you like to use?
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00:57<acd22c>somiaj gedit
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00:58<Yst>Someone I know is trying to connect to the Internet using an Ethernet cable. He's just installed a minimal Debian system. No desktop, just system utilities and such.
00:59<Yst>He booted with an Ethernet cable plugged in, but he still has no connection. Any ideas?
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01:03<acd22c>somiaj any idea how to open it as a root, is there a way to open this from terminal and edit it there ?
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01:05<diefi>acd22c: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
01:05<Yst>acd22c: If you're opening a text file, you could use "sudo gedit" or "sudo nano".
01:05<Yst>Oops, I was too slow.
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01:06<acd22c>i will try that
01:06<diefi>lose the " at the begging though
01:07<acd22c>diefi it says bash: sudo: command not found
01:07<vortek_>woah
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01:09<Yst>Did you set a password fro root when installing the system?
01:09<diefi>acd22c: hope you didn't enter the " at the beginning, it was my bad
01:09<Yst>If do, sudo won't be available.
01:09<acd22c>Yst yes i did
01:09<acd22c>diefi i did not enter "
01:09<Yst>acd22c: You'll either need to log in as root or install <apt:sudo>.
01:10<sauron_>hi, i can't move docker running containers between hosts, i lose my data, with docker export and docker import, what should i do?
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01:10<acd22c>Yst i did type root pw in the command line and im logged as a root
01:10<diefi>acd22c: your account probably doesn't have sudo rights yet
01:10<acd22c>i mean i can use terminal as a root
01:11<acd22c>what should i do now ?
01:12<diefi>use root to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
01:12<diefi>gedit /etc/apt/source.list
01:13<acd22c>i can open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and edit it but when trying to save permission denied, how can i enable being a root ?
01:14<diefi>type in " su " and enter your root password
01:15<Yst>acd22c: Wait. So you are running as root and opened the file as root, but when you go to save the file as root, permission is denied?
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01:22<diefi>acd22c: are you not able to open the sources.list or not able to save after editing it?
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01:24<acdc22c>sorry i got dc
01:24<acdc22c>diefi i did enter password and im logged in as a root
01:24<acdc22c>what should i do next
01:25<acdc22c>?
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01:25<Yst>acd22c: So you are running as root and opened the file as root, but when you go to save the file as root, permission is denied?
01:26<Yst>Oh, wait, your nick changed.
01:26<Yst>acdc22c: So you are running as root and opened the file as root, but when you go to save the file as root, permission is denied?
01:26<somiaj>acdc22c: http://paste.debian.net/443201/ -- this might make it easier. Can you take the contents of that paste and put it into a file (do this as your normal user with gedit, call the file what ever you want)
01:26<acdc22c>Yst yes exactly
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01:27<somiaj>(if that is the case, you may have / mounted read-only? Or some other issue?)
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01:28<acdc22c>somiaj yes i can use the mousepad for that
01:28<somiaj>but I was going to suggest, make the file as your normal user in a common way, then use root to copy it 'cp filename /etc/apt/sources.list'
01:28<acdc22c>i will try that
01:28<somiaj>this way you dont' have to figure out how to edit the file directly as root
01:30<acdc22c>heh it wont even let me save a document
01:30<acdc22c>"Read-only file system." permission denied
01:31<somiaj>acdc22c: yea your root file system is mounted read-only for some reason
01:31<somiaj>acdc22c: you did an actuall install right and aren't using a live system?
01:31<acdc22c>yes its actuall install
01:32<acdc22c>i think it might be something weird because i did save some text fie before
01:33<acdc22c>files
01:33<acdc22c>and did not have this happen
01:33<diefi>acdc22c: you probably saved that somewhere where you had write permissions
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01:34<acdc22c>maybe
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01:35<acdc22c>usually in downloads it lets save the files but not this time
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01:37<diefi>so you can't save it in Downloads now?
01:37<acdc22c>i cant, but i cant open anything either which is weird
01:38<acdc22c>like any program im trying to open gives this error
01:38<acdc22c>ailed to execute command "/usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file %U".
01:38<acdc22c>i think i just need to restart the system
01:38<acdc22c>becaue this never happened before
01:39<acdc22c>i will start fresh tomorrow
01:39<acdc22c>thanks for the help, i know we are getting close to solve this issue
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01:40<acdc22c>i will be here tomorrow
01:40<acdc22c>take care
01:41<diefi>you too. there will be someone here to help.
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02:01<Celelibi>How do I get to look at the sources of a package when there is no source package?
02:02<somiaj>Celelibi: what do you mean there is no source package? Which package are you talking about?
02:02<somiaj>Celelibi: do you have the deb-src line in your sources.list for the repo you want?
02:02<Celelibi>Hm. Wait. Maybe this package just doesn't exist anymore.
02:03<Celelibi>gtk2-engines-smooth
02:03<somiaj>you can get source for older packages.
02:03<somiaj>,v gtk2-engines-smooth
02:03<judd>Package: gtk2-engines-smooth on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.14.3+deb5
02:03<somiaj>yea looks like it hasn't been used since squeeze
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02:06<data_>Hey, Do i have to worry about spyware from the linux version of Skype? I don't exactly trust MS but i'm trying to communicate with skype buddies while logged in linux.
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02:13<Celelibi>somiaj: so, any idea how I can get the source of that package?
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02:13<Celelibi>I can't find any doc and I'd need it to port my favorite gtk2 theme to gtk3.
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02:15<somiaj>Celelibi: archive.debian.net (or .org) I forget which. It will have the source for jessie (and even older) packages
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02:15<Celelibi>Thanks.
02:15<thalos>data_: TO be honest, in this day and age.. I would be a little worried. At the end of the day, skype is not free/open source software. You have no idea what MS has put in there. Recently debian found out that google installs binary blobs in chromeium so these things do happen
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02:16<thalos>data_: If you want to feel maybe a little bit safer, install skype in a virtual machine. Maybe even an LXC container and connect the UI via a socket or something (no idea if/how this works) but that's what I would try
02:17<data_>Okay
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02:17<data_>I am planning on trying to install a virtual machine on this OS, so if i get that set up, i'll put skype in there.
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02:39<[Nick]>thalos: thank i didnt know that about chronium
02:39<[Nick]>it does seem its been solved though
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02:40<[Nick]>either way though, if you trust google you need your head seeing to
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02:54<aborrero>why would anyone use serial 0 in bind9? any rationale? doc link?
02:55<[Nick]>it doesnt matter what you use for a seriel so long as you increment it on changes
02:56<aborrero>[Nick]: there are people out there who always use serial 0
02:56<[Nick]>local zones?
02:57<Yst>I started my serial at zero.
02:57<[Nick]>some do
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02:57<Yst>I've incremented it since then, but there's no reason not to start at that.
02:57<[Nick]>the standard is mmddyyyy01
02:58<themill>I'd hope it starts with y not m
02:58<vortek_>is there an update for firefox to address this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/28/firefox_patch/
02:58<Yst>According to the documentation I read, there is no standard.
02:58<Yst>That's a common syntax, but not a standard.
02:58<[Nick]>Yst: there is no standard
02:58<peter1138>serials only matter if you have secondary slave servers
02:58<jamesmc>Yeah, just a convention
02:58<[Nick]>like i said, use whatever you want so long as you increment it on changes
02:58<jamesmc>But there are many conventions to choose from
02:58<peter1138>in which case, it needs to increment, which mmddyyyy won't do
02:59<[Nick]>peter1138: this is why you add 01 at the end
02:59<Yst>Seriously? THe serials don't matter without a second DNS server? I might reset mine to zero then.
02:59<[Nick]>the date is purely there to tell people when the last change was made
02:59<themill>[Nick]: you need year first
02:59<peter1138>[Nick], msb needs to change, not lsb.
02:59<jamesmc>Nope, the date-based convention is usually yyyymmddnn, where n starts at 01
03:00<[Nick]>pfft, either or
03:00<themill>(once upon a time, lots of people using yymmddnn tested out y2k compliance and then realised they broke their setup)
03:00<[Nick]>ive been using mmddyyyy for years with no rpblems
03:00<themill>[Nick]: umm no, that doesn't sort from year to year
03:00<jamesmc>themill: hehe
03:00<[Nick]>problems*
03:00<Yst>If the year doesn't come first, you'll get strange cases where the number gets smaller.
03:00<themill>[Nick]: try making a change in december and then another one in january.
03:01<[Nick]>hmmm
03:01<jamesmc>01012017 < 12312016 for example
03:01*[Nick] checks his zones
03:01<[Nick]>keep in mind its early guys i might have the date backwards myself :P
03:01<jamesmc>:)
03:02<Yst>I've considered UNIX time stamps for use as serial numbers as well. It would make scripting a change easy.
03:02<jamesmc>Yeah, if you have sub-second DNS changes you have other things to worry about
03:02<peter1138>heh
03:02<Yst>I don't have any scripts set up yet though, I've only edited zones by hand.
03:03<[Nick]>Yst: ive written my own control panel :P
03:03<Yst>[Nick]: Nice!
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03:03<Yst>I'd probably do that too if there was anyone to use the control panel.
03:03<[Nick]>it manages apache, mysql, ftp, and bind so far
03:03<Yst>I'm the only one geeky enough in this house to have a server, let alone use DNS.
03:04<[Nick]>lol
03:04<[Nick]>mine is for a web hosting company i will one day get started :P
03:04<peter1138>good old NIH syndrome :)
03:04<Yst>I set local forward and reverse DNS names on everyone's machines here, but they don't know or care.
03:04<[Nick]>nih syndrome?
03:05<peter1138>not invented here
03:05<[Nick]>o.O
03:05<peter1138>(i found any off-the-shelf solution for this stuff assumes too much stuff)
03:05<peter1138>usually that you want everything self-contained on a single server
03:06<[Nick]>yeah... early cpanel springs to mind
03:06<aborrero>I found this http://www.microhowto.info/howto/reset_the_serial_number_of_a_dns_zone.html#idp45680
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03:08<[Nick]>so 0 is no longer compliant?
03:08<vortek_>my isp uses opendns to filter crap... i just use google's public dns to bypass this
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03:08<aborrero>here http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch07_02.htm they say that if you use 0, slaves will transfer the zone every time they check for changes
03:09<[Nick]>i always use my own... even if not local its soooo much faster than isp
03:09<Yst>[Nick]: No, zero is compliant, but some DNS servers exhibit noncompliant behaviour if you set it to zero.
03:09<[Nick]>"This behaviour was never RFC-compliant, and is no longer supported by BIND."
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03:10<Yst>My ISP captures all NXDOMAIN responces and replaces them with responses that use the IP address of their own advertisement server.
03:10<peter1138>Yikes
03:11<Yst>[Nick]: Yes, the behavior that the DNS servers exhibit when faced with a zero serial number was never RFC-complient and is no longer supported by Bind.
03:11<[Nick]>the most crappy thing is isp's actually "host" their own "versions" of the top sites like youtube etc. to speed them up
03:11<vortek_>yst use a vpn hehe bitmask.net has free client and vpn
03:11<Yst>So Bind no longer exhibits this noncompliant behaviour.
03:12<vortek_>i never use my isp's dns servers, cuase they filter to much crap
03:13<Yst>vortek_: Nah, I use Tor. My local DNS server captures requests for *.test. and one of the local reverse DNS blocks and forwards the rest to 8.8.8.8.
03:13<vortek_>ok
03:14<[Nick]>I wont use tor
03:14<Yst>Yeah, not everyone likes Tor.
03:14<[Nick]>kinda get the feeling id have the feds knocking my door within a few days
03:14<vortek_>me niether.. the nsa watches u if u use t
03:15<vortek_>t=it
03:15<vortek_>they got a backdoor in tor also
03:15<[Nick]>its got a name over here for being used by... lets just says unpleasent people
03:15<Yst>People say that there's a back door, but I thing that that's just FUD.
03:15<vortek_>yeah i know.. the darkweb
03:15<Yst>As for feds, I've used Tor for years without problems.
03:16<[Nick]>in the uk?
03:16<[Nick]>we get feds knock our door for calling people names on twitter over here
03:16<Yst>No, admittedly, I'm outside the UK. Do they disallow encryption there or something?
03:16<vortek_>yst yeah but i wouldn't use it to hide my ip, for anything illegal
03:16<Yst>Ah, I see.
03:16<vortek_>nick haha
03:17<Yst>vortek_: I don't do anything illegal, ha ha.
03:17<vortek_>hehe
03:17<[Nick]>Yst: no, but the way they'd see it is im a "normal" user and shouldnt have anything to hide
03:17<vortek_>I used to be a hacker as a teen, to hide my ip, i would hack a sever and install a backdoor to hide my ip
03:18<vortek_>sever=server;
03:18<Yst>I keep a journal on an onion-based website and I visit a few onion websites. Other than that, my traffic's pretty normal.
03:18<vortek_>cool
03:18<Yst>[Nick]: Noremal users have a right to privacy though.
03:18<Yst>*Normal
03:18<[Nick]>try telling our conservative government that
03:19<vortek_>thats why i use bitmask.net's free vpn hehe
03:19<[Nick]>thats one of the reason they want us out of the EU
03:19<Yst>Yeah, fair enough. Governments usually suck.
03:19<jmcnaught>it's getting a little off topic in here now
03:19<[Nick]>because they blocked their snooping bill
03:19<vortek_>and i use germany vpn server
03:19<vortek_>ok
03:19<Yst>Bitmask.net does look pretty cool.
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03:19<[Nick]>sorry jmcnaught :P
03:19<vortek_>yeah and they got debian packages
03:19<Yst>If I wasn't a Tor user, I'd probably use that.
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03:20<[Nick]>good way to bring it back on topic vortek_ ;)
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03:20<Yst>The source code availability is a big deal for me too, if it wasn't free software, I wouldn't even consider using it.
03:20<vortek_>:)
03:21<Yst>What is the topic again? I sort of came mid-conversation.
03:21<Yst>I thought that it was DNS.
03:21<jmcnaught>Debian technical support is always the topic here, when it starts to drift there's #debian-offtopic
03:22<Yst>Oops.
03:22<jmcnaught>No worries, just sometimes support questions get lost if everyone's busy talking about something else
03:23<Yst>Yeah, that's true.
03:23<sauron_>can anyone help me with docker save?
03:24<jmcnaught>sauron_: you might be better off asking a docker channel for help with that. are you using the docker.io package in jessie-backports?
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03:26<sauron_>is there a docker channel? i can't find that :)) , Error response from daemon: chtimes /var/lib/docker/tmp/docker-export-$: invalid argument
03:26<sauron_>i get this error when trying to save an image
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03:33<jmcnaught>sauron_: https://docs.docker.com/opensource/get-help/ seems like #docker is on chat.freenode.net
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03:36<jmcnaught>sauron_: if you're using the docker.io package from jessie-backports you could come here for help getting it installed, but if you've installed it with a script or repo from docker.com, or if you need help with docker usage, docker's own IRC channel would be best
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03:38<sauron_>jmccrohan, tnx i installed it from docker repo
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03:50<[Nick]>does debian have a package for apf?
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03:52<[Nick]>nvm... it does
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04:20<hasan>Merhaba
04:21<hasan>Virtual Box kurdum ama menu gornmedi ?
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04:22<hasan>hi
04:22<hasan>I ınstalled virtual Box.
04:22<hasan>But I can't see it in Start menu.
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07:12<grove>Hi. I've put new discs in my computer, and am now installing Debian (Jessie) on it. I have two discs of the same size, and want them in a mirrored setup. No matter how I partition and set up software raid (and encryption), grub won't install (`grub-install <device>` fails, whether <device> is /dev/sda, /dev/sdb or /dev/md0 - on one of my installation attempts, I even pluged in another USB stick and unseccesfully tried installing grub to that) if / is on ...
07:12<grove>... raid. Is there any way around that? (I now have a system that boots and have /home on raid, but that's not optimal)
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07:18<Brigo>grove, are you sure your bios can boot from a software raid?
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07:22<blast007>grove: did you check the 4th terminal (Alt+F4) after running the grub install in the installer to see if I gave you any useful error output?
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07:27<grove>blast007: No.
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07:30<grove>Brigo: No, but when installing grub to /dev/sda (which also failed) that shouldn't be an issue, should it?
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07:31<petn-randall>grove: Did you partition the disks and add a _partition_ to the RAID1 assembly, or did you add the _whole_ disk?
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07:37<grove>petn-randall: I tried a number of things: For most of the attempts, I partitioned the discs and set up RAID on pairs of partitions. Nothing made any change
07:38<Brigo>grove, could it be a uefi/bios mode issue?
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07:44<petn-randall>grove: partitioning it and adding the partitions to the RAID1 is the right way. grub needs some space at the start of the disk to make it bootable (with a classic BIOS).
07:44<petn-randall>grove: Now that I think about it: Are you booting via UEFI?
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07:52<grove>Brigo: Quite possibly. That thing confuses me a lot, the motherboard is an Intel KLT75-K (or something like that, I don't remember, it's a couple of years old). I can en-/disable UEFO boot and/or legacy boot. I haven't tried disabling both (that doesn't make much sense to me, but as the results generally doesn't maybe I should try?), if I disable UEFI boot, and enable legacy boot, it tries to pxe boot (and fails), if I enable UEFI boot and disable legacy ...
07:52<grove>... boot, I get a screen that has (most of) an american megatrends logo, says (in big letters) "American", and has some text (overwriting the lower right corner of the logo, and possibly a line below "American") that tells that's it trying to PXE boot (it changes, but very slowly, I haven't spend enough time to see if that all it tries, but nothing usable happens). If I enable both it actually boots as I want it too
07:53<grove>petn-randall: I don't know if that actually tells you something?
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08:00<Brigo>grove, you can use legacy boot ro uefi boot, you have to choose. Legacy bot use old partitioning method an MBR (the place you put grub), uefi support new gpt partitioning method with a new partition (where you put grub).
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08:00<Brigo>so the boot method and the disk configuration matter.
08:01<grove>With the old discs (I havenøt tried with the new ones), and only legacy boot enabled, I could press f10 to enter a boot menu and select which disc to boot from, that worked. There's a help text in the BIOS saying that UEFI boot is needed to boot from discs larger than 2TB and as the new discs are 4TB, that could indicate that UEFI boot is needed, but as I said I need to have "legacy boot" enabled - btw. the BIOS thing calls itself "Intel(R) Visual BIOS"
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08:05<Brigo>grove, if you have efi enable in new disk you should have a fat partition at the start of the disk with some files (or maybe just one, the debian grub image). And it should be mounted and accesible, maybe in /boot (don't remeber, i don't use it)
08:05<Brigo>you can use efibootmgr to deal with efi.
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08:06<anonymous>Hi >#
08:06<grove>Brigo: So what do you suggest I try. If I disable "Legacy boot" in the BIOS, it will *only* PXE boot, I can't get it to boot from the USB stick I have to install from (and used to install the laptop I'm typing this on)
08:07<Brigo>grove, pxe is network boot.
08:07<Brigo>as i said, you have to choose, uefi or legacy.
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08:10<grove>Brigo: But where? (I'm quite clueless when I comes to that efi/uefi stuff - I believe I understood how old BIOS'es worked, but I haven't bothered to read much about that - and is legacy even an option with 4TB discs?)
08:10<blast007>legacy is easier for doing software RAID
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08:11<Brigo>grove, i really don't know about 4TB disk.
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08:12<blast007>grove: I've got a system with a pair of 6TB (with a RAID1) and a pair of 4TB (just independent disks), using legacy boot, booting from the 6TB drives
08:12<blast007>there was some trick to doing it though, let me see if I can find it
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08:15<Brigo>grove, has you disable secureboot?
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08:15<grove>Brigo: Yes
08:16<grove>I just found out that I could enable something called "Internal UEFI Shell", then it doesn't try to pxe boot, but enter some kind of shell, that I have no cluue what to do in
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08:18<Brigo>maybe this can help? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-boot-2tb-larger-raidarray-harddisk.html
08:19<blast007>grove: okay, so it looks like I made a 1GB Linux RAID partition (that I mirrored and created as a non-LVM /boot partition), then a 1MB 'BIOS Boot' partition after that, and then used the rest of my drive for the other Linux RAID partition that I set as RAID1, and within that set up LVM and made my other partitions, including /
08:19<blast007>and this was all legacy boot
08:19<blast007>(not UEFI)
08:21<grove>Brigo: My first thought: Using fdisk on large drives? That cannot be right
08:21<blast007>the drive still gets set up as GPT, but that extra 1MB BIOS Boot partition is where grub installs part of itself into
08:21<blast007>I don't think you have to go to the command line to partition this
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08:31<grove>blast007: I'll try to do something similar to that
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08:32<blast007>doesn't seem like I can replicate it in virtualbox since it won't let me specify drives larger than 2TB
08:33<grove>blast007: Thanks for trying,
08:33<blast007>grove: there's some info about this on the Arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub#GUID_Partition_Table_.28GPT.29_specific_instructions
08:34<blast007>and you'd want to install grub to both drives (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb) so that either can be used to boot
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09:04<lorenzo52>hello
09:05<lorenzo52>hello
09:05<lorenzo52>/help
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09:05<lorenzo52>exit
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09:06<grove>I've tried again, making three partitions on each disc, 1G raided and used for /boot, 8MB "BIOS boot" (to get most things set up correctly for danish, I have the installer in dansih, and the rest configured with raided+lvm+encryption for swap and /. That sounds like thet setup blast007 described. But grub-install fails again, in terminal 4 I see "Apr 28 12:58:26 grub-installer: grub-install: error: attempt to intsall to encrypted disk without cryptodisk ...
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09:06<grove>... enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1' in file `etc/default/grub'.."
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09:10<Human_G33k>hello, i use apache for my website and i can't watch html video (type mine issue) in mp4 but no issues with ogg do you know if i need some package ?
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09:11<peter1138>mime-type is the term
09:11<mert>hi all whats up?
09:12<Human_G33k>peter1138, thx natural language mistake ;)
09:13<peter1138>Human_G33k, no package for that, search up how to add mime types for apache
09:13<Human_G33k>peter1138, already did /etc/mines.conf and other files look good
09:14<blast007>grove: are you using disk encryption?
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09:14<grove>blast007: I would like to, so I tried, now I'm trying again without
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09:15<blast007>that'd have been a useful bit of info to provide us :)
09:16<grove>blast007: I had tried without (and getting the exact same results as with) before asking, so I don't think it matters
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09:19<Human_G33k>ok i solve my issue, it's because by default it assume it's ogg i just need to add the right mine-type in html
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09:20<grove>But now that I've tried without encryption (but with the "BIOS boot" partitions you mentioned) installation seems to have worked
09:25<grove>Everything seems to work now, except that the discs aren't encrypted (but it's not a laptop that I carry around and might forget, so encryption is not important, it was just for the principle), but I would like to know if I could have make it work. Shouldn't it be enough that /boot is outside the encrypted part?
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09:31<blast007>grove: when you were trying encryption, what all were you encrypting? as far as I know, you need to leave /boot unencrypted (and in this case, also the 1MB BIOS Boot partition)
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09:32<grove>blast007: And I did that
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09:33<grove>As I said, three partions on each disc, the first raided and used for /boot, the second for "BIOS Boot" and the third raided, encrypted and lvm'ed to swap+/
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09:55<grove>When I try to mount a USB stick on my newly installed Jessie, it says "unknown filesystem type 'vfat'" what can I have done/forgotten to do to cause that?
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10:00<computer-user>grove always? I found that adding "-t vfat" to the mount command in terminal can solve issues solving FAT32 formatted USB Sticks
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10:02<grove>computer-user: Adding '-t vfat' doesn't change anything
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10:03<computer-user>grove I'm sorry then, I don't know anything else that could work, maybe someelse will know what's the problems
10:03<computer-user>arrrg, I hate making typos
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10:05<aeb>grove: maybe the module is missing. did you maybe replace/upgrade the kernel package without rebooting?
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10:09<slug>Does anyone know a simple way to get the AVG network bandwith over the last hour?
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10:10<grove>aeb: I did run `apt update`+`apt upgrade` so perhaps (I didn't really pay attention to what was upgraded). I'm rebooting the box right now anyway - I also found a typo in the options in /etc/fstab, whether it was that or a kernel upgrade, I don't know, but now I can mount that stick
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10:11<aeb>grove: if the module wasn't loaded already and disappeared from disk (because you removed/replaced the package) that could explain it, that's why I was asking
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10:48<Aquarius1>I have to make my Gateway available every time after reboot by "route add default gw 192.168.0.1 wlan0
10:48<Aquarius1>".
10:48<Aquarius1>It was not like that before but I had set my IPv4 settings of wireless to manual because of a test. I have put it back to DHCP. Any help?
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11:40<thinkpad>hi there
11:40<thinkpad>hi all
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11:41<retrospectacus>thinkpad: hi
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12:35<Aquarius1>Problem: Using Debian Wheezy:after booting I have to make the Gateway work by the command route add default gw 192.168.0.1 wlan0 . What can I do to make the Gateway work immeditately after booting?
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12:35<justinsane>Aquarius1: Pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file.
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12:37<somiaj>Aquarius1: how are you configuring your network? If using the interfaces file you can put the gateway there as justinsane wants to see
12:38<Aquarius1>justinsane: Ik heb eerder geprobeerd 'interfaces' te bewerken. De inhoud is nu zoals het altijd geweest is:
12:38<retrospectacus>or the DHCP server should tell you what is the gateway
12:38<Aquarius1>justinsane: auto lo
12:38<Aquarius1>iface lo inet loopback
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12:39<Aquarius1>justinsane: tried to edit interfaces before
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12:41<Aquarius1>retrospectacus: I know the address of the Gateway. It does not show up after booting
12:42<Aquarius1>So I did not use the file interfaces before everything worked all right
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12:46<somiaj>Aquarius1: so wlan0 is not in your interfaces file, what are you using to configure your network?
12:46<somiaj>Aquarius1: i.e. the only thing in your interface file is the 'lo' interface correct
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12:47<Aquarius1>somiaj: yes correct. Like it has always been like that.
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12:47<somiaj>that means something else is managing your wlan0 what. What are you sing to manage your network?
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12:48<Aquarius1>somiaj: I use a GUI for that called "Network connections" in the DE LXDE
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12:54<retrospectacus>or the DHCP server should tell your computer* what is the gateway
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13:00<Aquarius1>I will restart my router. Maybe that will help
13:00<Aquarius1>bbl
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13:14<Aquarius1>Repeat after restart router:
13:14<Aquarius1>Problem: Using Debian Wheezy:after booting I have to make the Gateway work by the command route add default gw 192.168.0.1 wlan0 . What can I do to make the Gateway work immeditately after booting
13:15<somiaj>with teh gui tool you are using (either network-manager or wicd) are you using static ip or dhcp?
13:15<somiaj>I'm sure your desktop just has a front end to either, but the actual one doens't really matter, but do you have it configured as a static ip or dhcp
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13:17<Aquarius1>as dhcp
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13:17<Aquarius1>somiaj: Shall I make some screenshots?
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13:18<somiaj>then something is strange because the dhcp server/client should correctly set the gateway
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13:19<somiaj>I have to leave, but look around the gui tool, see if there is options about gateway you can configure
13:19<Aquarius1>Yes sure something is strange. I did work in the past fluently
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13:33<Walter_White45>Hey guys
13:34<Walter_White45>I want to install Debian on my PC
13:34<Aquarius>Repost problem: Using Debian Wheezy:after booting I have to make the Gateway work by the command route add default gw 192.168.0.1 wlan0 .
13:34<Aquarius>My network settings are configered as DHCP. Never used any settings in the file /etc/network/interfaces. I am puzzled because it worked fluently before and stil is on another laptop.
13:34<Aquarius>What can I do to make the Gateway work immeditately after booting?
13:34<Walter_White45>Should I take this here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/?
13:34<Walter_White45>64-bit PC netinst iso
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13:36<Aquarius>Walter_White45: If your machine has internetconnection: Yes
13:36<Walter_White45>Okay
13:36<Walter_White45>Just put it on a USb-stick, right?
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13:37<Aquarius>Walter_White45: I think that would work but I always used a DVD
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13:38<jmcnaught>Walter_White45: yes you can put it on a USB. The install manual shows you how and is worth taking a look at, it also covers topics like dealing with missing firmwares: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
13:38<Walter_White45>Thanks
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14:22<Oscar>Hi peeps
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14:42<Oscar>Hi.
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14:46<danielsh>!ask
14:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:34<pumpernickel>Anyone know, is there any plans to support jdk7 on sid?
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15:35<pumpernickel>There seems to be a headless version packaged, and non-headless only for arm64.
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15:44<codeinstein>hey
15:45<Silmarilion>Good evening, I added backports repository to my sources and for some reason it started upgrading a lot of my packages, even though I haven't installed anything yet from backports. Why is that?
15:46<codeinstein>Hello Silmarilion
15:46<codeinstein>Did you googled your issue
15:46<Silmarilion>yes
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15:58<ompaul>Silmarilion: perhaps you would be good enough to do the following, please paste the contents of >>/etc/apt/sources.list<< if it is a single file into paste.debian.net and for sanity also the output of >>apt-cache policy<< also
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16:02<zeta>pumpernickel: jdk8 should be available -> #debian-next
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16:03<Silmarilion>ompaul, policy: http://paste.debian.net/444637/, sources: http://paste.debian.net/444639/
16:03<diefi>zeta: on jessie?
16:04<zeta>diefi: the question was related to sid. on jessie it should be possible to get it through backports
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16:05<zeta>default for jessie is jdk7
16:05<pumpernickel>zeta: I have jdk8 installed, I'm just having issues with eclipse-mars, and I presume it's because of the jdk version.
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16:06<pumpernickel>I was mostly curious.
16:07<pumpernickel>because openjdk-7-jre exists in sid, but *only* for arm64.
16:07<pumpernickel>Which seems rather strange, arm64 also has openjdk-8 as well.
16:07<zeta>pumpernickel: try asking about it in #debian-next . this channel is for stable
16:08<pumpernickel>Alright, thanks, my mistake.
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16:09<ompaul>Silmarilion: so you say it pulled in lots of stuff - please check the file /var/cache/log/apt and check out the actions I'm going to guess you got updates
16:09<ompaul>apt-get update
16:09<ompaul>and apt-get dist-upgrade?
16:09<ompaul>or what commands did you run?
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16:12<Silmarilion>ompaul, it just upgraded about 20-30 packages. (apt-get upgrade). I found http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=127428 related to my issue, looks like I need to add a pin priority for backports
16:13<ompaul>yeah all the pins were the same
16:13<ompaul>I'm voting me out of office I'm too tired :)
16:14<Silmarilion>thanks anyway :)
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16:33<DNS>is there a audio related channel for debian?
16:34<DNS>i have a problem gettin my focurite scarlett solo workin
16:34<DNS>*focusrite
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17:03<diefi>is there a way to asign network priority to applications?
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17:12<Brigo>diefi, check this: http://mikebabcock.me/linux/qos_tc
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17:12<diefi>thx I'll
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17:26<spande>I did a cp of the jessie iso amd64 to a usb stick. Then stuck it in a blank uefi machine. Tried lotsa bios variations, but no luck in getting debian to boot
17:27<spande>then I tried a ubuntu dvd and machine booted and could install.
17:27<spande>so, how do I get debian on the uefi machine ?
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17:29<Brigo>spande, how did you do the cp of the jessie iso?
17:33<spande>cp debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdc1
17:35<Brigo>spande, right, it should work.
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17:36<mesutcang>R
17:36<Brigo>spande, can you boot from another usb stick?
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17:39<spande>I think I know what I did wrong - I used sdc1 when I should have used sdc (see https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en ---> 4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image )
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17:40<Brigo>spande, yes, you i right!, i should had seen it!
17:40<spande>Brigo, I haven't tried another stick. I'll try /dev/sdc first
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17:40*spande thanks /me for solving it :)
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17:41<Brigo>spande, use the first partition, /dev/sdc, intead of the disk is a comon mistake. I am too sleeped :)
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18:03<diefi>I'm a little bit confused on how the algorithm works for sorting files in nautilus. Does it not use ascii order?
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18:05<alesan>hello
18:06<alesan>something is wrong with my installation:
18:06<alesan>http://pastebin.ca/3585496
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18:06<alesan>this happens when I try to install *ant* package
18:06<alesan>any
18:07<alesan>if I give apt-get -f install, it prompts me to reinstall every single package in my system, just on a different version
18:07<alesan>and I do not have enough space to do so in my system
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18:08<jmcnaught>alesan: it looks like you have a frankendebian hybrid of debian and something else
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18:08<jmcnaught>!show sources.list
18:08<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
18:09<alesan>jmcnaught, possible, there is some emdebian around
18:09<alesan>let me check
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18:10<alesan>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main and deb http://www.emdebian.org/grip stable-grip main
18:10<alesan>deb-src http://www.emdebian.org/grip stable-grip main
18:10<jrtc27>!emdebian
18:10<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. As of July 2014, updates to Emdebian distributions ceased, there will be no further stable releases.
18:10<alesan>wait I will pastebin for better readability
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18:11<alesan>in fact
18:11<alesan>http://pastebin.ca/3585501
18:11<alesan>when I did :
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18:13<jmcnaught>alesan: using the codename "jessie" is better than "stable" in sources.list, so when the next stable release happens you don't get a surprise partial upgrade. but this indeed seems to be caused by mixing debian with emdebian
18:13<alesan>http://pastebin.ca/3585502
18:13<musca>the required libc6 2.13-30em1 (from emdebian) is older than libc6 from wheezy
18:14<alesan>jmcnaught, but this is wheezy not jessie?
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18:14<alesan>W: Failed to fetch http://www.emdebian.org/grip/dists/stable-grip/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
18:14<jmcnaught>alesan: current stable is jessie, so you might have a mix of wheezy, jessie and old emdebian packages
18:15<alesan>jmcnaught, :(
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18:16<alesan>but
18:16<alesan>why do I get that error (warning maybe) on apt-get update:
18:16<alesan>W: Failed to fetch http://www.emdebian.org/grip/dists/stable-grip/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
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18:18<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell alesan about bat
18:18<alesan>I understand emdebian has been discontinued, but also the repositories have been deleted from the web?
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18:18<jmcnaught>alesan: you could provide the information that dpkg bot just asked for
18:19<alesan>I believe I did in the pastebins before
18:19<alesan>let me check
18:19<alesan>OK let me re-pastebin everything
18:19<jmcnaught>alesan: you didn't show the apt-cache policy output, or the contents of sources.list (only the files in sources.list.d)
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18:20<alesan>oh there is no sources.list file
18:20<alesan>only the ones in the directory
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18:20<alesan>I will try to make it clearer
18:22<alesan>http://pastebin.ca/3585513
18:23<alesan>not sure if this is enough, I am a bit overwhelmed :(
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18:24<jmcnaught>alesan: seems like because you used "stable" instead of "jessie" you have a system partially upgraded from wheezy to jessie. i suggest reading the release notes https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armel/release-notes/ which have instructions on how to do the upgrade
18:25<jmcnaught>you've probably done the "apt-get upgrade" part but not the "apt-get dist-upgrade". also a good idea to backup any files you want to keep before this gets worse
18:25<alesan>well
18:25<alesan>I have a system image
18:25<alesan>so I can restore it at any time
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18:26<jmcnaught>and make sure to change "stable" to "jessie", and see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList it seems like you're missing security and jessie-updates
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18:27<alesan># cat /etc/debian_version
18:27<alesan>wheezy/sid
18:27<alesan>do I really need to upgrade to jessie?
18:27<alesan>the jessie part confuses me
18:27<alesan>I thought I was on wheezy
18:27<jmcnaught>alesan: stable means jessie for the last year since jessie was released
18:27<alesan>this system is definitely older than that
18:27<jmcnaught>alesan: you should have put "wheezy" in your sources instead of "stable"
18:28<somiaj>wheezy/sid, seems like you haven't upgraded it since wheezy was testing?
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18:28<alesan>well, this image was create with multistrap back... few years ago :)
18:29<somiaj>get it upgraded to jessie if you can, read the release notes.
18:29<alesan>it should be completely re-done
18:31<alesan>OK
18:31<alesan>thanks!
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19:21<olmmo72>ciao
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19:23<olmmo72>!list
19:23<dpkg>olmmo72: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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19:57<hespe>Hi, I just installed Debian 8.4 on a Lenovo Flex 3 and I am trying to get the touchscreen functihion working. I have been googling everything I can think of, but have come up with nothing. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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20:46<diefi>I screwed up doing a back up dump. I intended to backup my /home to my external HD but now the external drive doesn't show anything, but is not empty according to "free space". my wrongful command was
20:46<diefi>dump -0uf /dev/sdb1 /home
20:46<diefi>It should have been /dev/sdb1/ probably ?
20:47<diefi>is there something i can do to get my files back?
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20:47<diefi>I don't know if it matters but my eternal HD was ntfs
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20:55<Brigo>diefi, i think dump is writing directly to the partition, not the filesystem, so it has overwritten the filesystem with the backup data.
20:55<Brigo>so maybe you can still restore from it.
20:56<diefi>as in restore the backup, or the previous data on the hard drive?
20:57<diefi>I get Input/output error trying to look up the dir
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20:59<Brigo>diefi, with the restore command?
20:59<diefi>I don't really care about the backup data, because I don't need it at the moment
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21:00<diefi>I just wondering about the data that was previously on the HD before the dump
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21:00<Brigo>diefi, probably dump has overwritten it.
21:01<Brigo>at least in that partition.
21:01<Brigo>you can try to restore the partition or search for lost files, of course.
21:01<diefi>what tools are there that I can use for that?
21:02<Brigo>i have never used dump, i have just readed the man page and guessing what's happened.
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21:02<Brigo>diefi, testdisk is the best afaik
21:03<Brigo>there is a fine guide in their web.
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21:05<diefi>generally speaking what happens if I point a stream of data on the /dev/sdb1 does simply go ahead and writes from the beginning of the partition?
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21:06<Brigo>diefi, yes, exactly that.
21:07<diefi>just to be sure for the next time. Should I use the /media/ route?
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21:09<Brigo>diefi, -f file , will write it to a file.
21:10<Brigo>diefi, why are you using dump?
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21:11<diefi>was the first one that i came across
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21:12<Brigo>diefi, is the first time i heard about it. People use tar or rsync, or stuff like that.
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21:12<Brigo>i would recomend rsync or something based on rsync
21:13<diefi>would it have prevented the error i made with routing it to /dev/sdb1 ?
21:14<Brigo>probably. It works with files and directories, not blocks.
21:15<Brigo>there is plenty of rsync based solutions, just make a search: apt-cache search rsync
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21:20<diefi>well lets see what can be done with testdisk first and maybe try it once more with dump and than look for an alternative :)
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21:24<Brigo>diefi, fine, good luck with that. :)
21:25<diefi>I hope that too :)
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21:27<barteks2x>is there any way to make OOM killer actually kill some process before the whole system freezes?
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21:32<abrotman>barteks2x: it does have settings, read the docs
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21:33<barteks2x>where? I couldn't find it. I searched for this problem amny times and found explaiations of why it happens, but no solution.
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21:39<phili0>what's up?
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21:47<diefi>its intressting that iceweasel can set back changes in my sound settings
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21:56<k-man>i'm trying to add a virtual network interface interface, but this does not seem to work: http://sprunge.us/bcCD
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