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00:39<llldino>Hey guys, i'm trying to use knockd to open ports on my server, but according to knockd -D no ports are being recognized when I hit them, can anyone help?
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00:56<nevyn>firewall in front?
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01:18<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like a help with unrar-free that I've installed here in my Debian Jessie 8.4. I saw in the man pages descriptions and explanations (options) for unpacking a .rar file, but it is not being succesfully applied here
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01:21<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: the description for that package says that it can't handle some files in the RAR 3.0 format, but to try the "unar" package
01:21<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught, thanks for answering !
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01:23<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, I have a file here in this path: r4fkramer@r4f:~/Downloads$ ls
01:23<R4F_Debian> RDFNCLUB15VLDOIS.rar
01:25<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: i don't have a lot of experience with RAR files to be honest, but the man page for unar looks pretty straightforward
01:25<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: there's also an unrar in non-free
01:26<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, I see. In this case, I used the following syntax: unrar-free -x --extract RDFNCLUB15VLDOIS.rar
01:27<R4F_Debian>unrar-free was installed without problems here, I try to unpack, the procedure starts through command line, but .mp3 files aren't extracted, only others
01:28<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: it's probably a file that unrar-free doesn't support, so try unar or unrar (the non-free one)
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01:29<R4F_Debian>ok jmcnaught, thanks for attention and help. I will try it here
01:31<vortek>what about decompresing .Z files or howto
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01:31<vortek>.7z i mean
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01:34<jmcnaught>vortek: also try unar, or do an apt-cache search for 7z to see others
01:34<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, I tried to unpack the file as root user: it was created a new file with the design of a lock on the top icon and I can not delete this file. How can I move this file to the trash? It's giving the message: Access Denied
01:35<vortek>k
01:35<vortek>tha
01:35<vortek>thanxs
01:35<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, sorry, the correct message is: Unable to trash file: Permission denied
01:36<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: don't use root for this type of task. now you need to use root to undo this. did all the files unpacked from the archive go into a single directory?
01:36<R4F_Debian>yes, in Downloads (/home/r4fkramer)
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01:40<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: as root can you do "chown r4kramer /home/r4kramer/Downloads/*" ?
01:40<R4F_Debian>let me try it here, jmcnaught, just one moment, please
01:41<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: that will make the files in your Downloads directory owned by the 'r4kramer' user instead of 'root'. If there are sub-directories you can add a "-R" after the "chown"
01:41<R4F_Debian>I see, jmcnaught, let me try it here
01:44<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, do I use " chown r4kramer /home/r4kramer/Downloads/* " as root user ?
01:44<R4F_Debian>http://pastebin.com/rsRrNrMJ
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01:45<R4F_Debian>Please, jmcnaught, I don't know how to procedure in this case. Take a look on this pastebin, please
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01:46<R4F_Debian>oh, forgot r4fkramer
01:46<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: sorry, to clarify you need to use your username, not the typoed version of your username from my example
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01:47<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: what you're trying to do here, as root, is change the owner of those to be your regular user. "chown username /path/to/file"
01:47<R4F_Debian>no problem, jmcnaught, I tried to use " chown r4fkramer /home/r4kramer/Downloads/* " as root, but gave error
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01:48<R4F_Debian>I will try it again, a bit confused here
01:48<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: can you make a paste of the command and output?
01:49<R4F_Debian>yes, jmcnaught, I will do it. just one moment, please and thanks again for great support !
01:49<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: i think you're still repeating the typo in the path. It should be /home/username/Downloads/* (which means all the files in the Downloads directory of your user, whatever your username is)
01:49<dede>hi everybody. during debian installtion, can i use lvm-encrypt on a ssd? if not, is there another option for encryption on a ssd?
01:50<R4F_Debian>Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :(
01:50<R4F_Debian>I have to wait here
01:50<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: we prefer http://paste.debian.net/ here anyways
01:51<jmcnaught>dede: why not? I used guided partitioning, LVM with encryption to install to my SSD
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01:51<R4F_Debian>a Debian service ? Oh, I didn't know about that !
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01:52<jmcnaught>dede: what i like to do is after it sets all that up, i go into the "configure LVM" menu and remove the largest logical volume (/home for example) and create it again but a little smaller so there is unallocated space. Then you need to select that LV on the main partitioning menu and select use as, and set the mount point again
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01:53<jmcnaught>dede: totally optional, but it's nice to have unallocated space on the LVM volume group. you can use it for snapshots, or making root bigger when you realize you made it to small
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01:59<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: how are you making out there? did you get that chown command working? As with any command executed as root, be careful. You can also read the chown man page if you are unsure about syntax.
02:00<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, please, see if is right the use of paste.debian: http://paste.debian.net/680151
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02:01<jmcnaught>dede: we should keep the support in the channel please, it's a group effort that way :)
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02:01<dede> hi, the reason i was asking was because i read that i'll need to enable TRIM which makes encryption a little less secure
02:01<dede>+ i was wondering whether the entire process of encryption would wear-tear the drive faster
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02:03<jm_>TRIM can wear it faster, but on the other hand, it enables to drive to use free space more efficiently negating some of the wear effect
02:03<jm_>the drive*
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02:04<jmcnaught>dede: in my /etc/crypttab i have added a discard option (after luks) for my encrypted volume. in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf I have changed issue_discards = 1. Then I have a cron job that runs once a week that runs fstrim (instead of enabling discard/trim all the time in fstab)
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02:05<dede>so what you guys are saying is - do the lvm+encryption at installtion, then follow this guide - https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
02:05<dede>would that be a good idea?
02:06<jmcnaught>also i think most new SSDs are supposed to be rated for so many TB of writing it's very unlikely you'd be writing that much each day to wear it out like that. some SSD models are blacklisted for trim support in the kernel though
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02:07<dede>that's also true. i'm not worried too much about writing 20gb per day for 10 years :-)
02:07<jm_>you probably don't need to bother with ramdisk stuff on that page
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02:07<dede>i'm jst wondering about making a nice encryted and fast ssd
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02:08<jmcnaught>you probably don't even need to bother with trim if you leave some space unallocated
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02:08<dede>why is that? and how much space left are we talking about?
02:08<jm_>I do both, 25% over provisioning + TRIM every N months
02:08<dede>also, just thought of this one - what about swap?
02:09<jm_>I just put swap on ssd, it gets used so little with 16G of RAM it doesn't matter
02:09<dede>i only have 4gb... should i just upgrade that too?
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02:09<jmcnaught>i left 10% unallocated, and my SSD is supposed to be overprovisioned too
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02:10<dede>wow, that's alot of unallocated space
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02:11<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, please: http://paste.debian.net/680151
02:11<jmcnaught>jm_: by the way dpkg has been absent for about an hour, not sure if you have a way to bring it back.
02:11<jmcnaught>the dselect bot is still here
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02:13<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: is r4fkramer your username? then you need to type /home/r4fkramer/Downloads/* (you're forgetting the 'f' in your own username)
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02:13<jm_>jmcnaught: sorry, I don't, not sure who the owner is
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02:13<R4F_Debian>oh, no, sorry, i put the wrong message: my username is r4fkramer
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02:14<jmcnaught>jm_: i did an ops notify about it on freenode so someone will probably fix it. thanks anyways
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02:14<R4F_Debian>I tried to remove the dir - rmdir Downloads, but replies the directory is not empty
02:15<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: /home/r4kramer is not the same as /home/r4fkramer. Personally I think it is safer for you to change the ownership of the files than to go deleting stuff as root
02:16<jm_>dede: that's up to you, you can try putting swap on ssd and see how much wear it gets, then move it elsewhere later if needed
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02:16<R4F_Debian> I just forgot the 'f', my username is r4fkramer
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02:17<R4F_Debian>I just would like to delete this file or the Downloads directory by any way
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02:18<R4F_Debian>please, jmcnaught, and sorry for disturbing you - http://paste.debian.net/680152/
02:18<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: don't just copy the commands i give you, make sure it's correct for the directory you need to work on. "chown r4fkramer /home/r4fkramer/Downloads/*"
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02:18<dede>ok, i think i got it - i'm gonna just install debian as normal and use the optimization page on debian. thanks guys! you really helped me
02:19<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: i don't recommend you deleting stuff as the root user.
02:19<jm_>it's rather unusual you'd have to chown stuff there anyway, what have you done with it?
02:19<jm_>(don't bother explaining if you have gone through it already)
02:19<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian extracted a RAR archive as root and now cannot delete the files
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02:20<jm_>heh
02:20<R4F_Debian>but it is correct the path: /home/r4fkramer, so the command you've passed me is correct, jmcnaught
02:21<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: if you're already in /home/r4fkramer as root, the command you could use is "chown r4fkramer ./Downloads/*"
02:21<R4F_Debian>ok, let me try it here
02:22<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: in your previous paste http://paste.debian.net/680151 you had a typo, it says "/home/r4kramer" instead of "/home/r4fkramer".
02:22<R4F_Debian>this first paste was wrong
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02:22<R4F_Debian>I don't have any user 'r4kramer' here, just r4fkramer, typed wrong, sorry
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02:23<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: it's okay, i'm just pointing out what was wrong. Once you change the owner of the files you should be able to move them to Trash the way you are familiar with
02:24<R4F_Debian>ok, let me try it here... quite tired here, it is disturbing my thoughts, but thanks for attention and Great Help, jmcnaught !
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02:25<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: if you're tired there is no problem with making some notes so you remember the situation and then trying again tomorrow :) Don't use root while drowsy!
02:25<R4F_Debian>I used " chown r4fkramer ./Downloads/* " and now the operation was ok, for didn't return any error message
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02:26<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: okay! can you move the files to Trash now?
02:26<R4F_Debian>through command line, delete does not work, what should the command for this, please, jmcnaught ?
02:26<R4F_Debian>forgot the command here
02:26<R4F_Debian>rmdir is for directory
02:27<R4F_Debian>forgot completely the command to delete files through command line
02:28<jm_>try 'apropos remove'
02:28<R4F_Debian>hey jmcnaught, the file was removed here !
02:28<R4F_Debian>Hi jm_, it is already fixed here, jmcnaught has helped me. Really Thanks !
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02:29<jm_>R4F_Debian: yeah this is for the future, remember the apropos command, it's helpful
02:29<dede>well thank you for your help!
02:29<dede>c ya
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02:29<R4F_Debian>Great, jm_ thanks a lot for that !
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02:29<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: good work. i hope you didn't delete anything you wanted to keep. in the future don't use root for tasks like extracting an archive. root has nothing special that would help with that kind of problem.
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02:30<R4F_Debian>well, jmcnaught, now I have to take a DA to get better ( Debian Aspirine ) ! Thanks for help, patience and Really Great Support !
02:30<R4F_Debian>I see jmcnaught, that is right. Lesson hardly learnt !
02:30<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: you're welcome, go get some rest :)
02:31<R4F_Debian>Very Glad to see you here and be helped by yours, jmcnaught. I have to sleep, really tired here, brain working as reptile !!
02:32<R4F_Debian>See you !
02:32<R4F_Debian>Bye ! Bye all !
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03:05<HermanDE>Anybody up for a fun problem? touch: cannot touch ‘hello’: No space left on device 1.8G Free from df -h...
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03:07<jm_>how about df -i?
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03:09<HermanDE>1814696 59% /
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03:10<jm_>and that's the same file system you are trying to touch on? how big is the device? which fs? does it work for root?
03:11<HermanDE>My root is on a LV. I did have a full space this morning. Found an ugly process eating the drive. Fixed it. Deleted the extra log files.... Rebooted....
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03:11<HermanDE>I have a 4G root. This box is a dev box.
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03:15<HermanDE>It's just stupid....
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03:44<Stummi>HermanDE, did you try as user or root?
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04:03<HermanDE>I was worried that I had something hanging... Someone suggested rm -r -f /
04:03<HermanDE>It seemed to work.
04:04<HermanDE>I just can't get it to reboot.
04:04<Stummi>obvious trolling. The rm version in debian won't let you do that ;)
04:05<HermanDE>I did have the problem.....
04:05<HermanDE>Just solved it by a touch of PXE + preseed + ansible....
04:05<HermanDE>Like a new shiny penny again.
04:05<HermanDE>Just bothered by the full device. Nothing in the logs... Inodes were full.
04:05<beatdown>You can rm -rf /*
04:06<beatdown>It works
04:06<HermanDE>fsck did nothing.
04:06<HermanDE>Even a mkfs -S did nothing.
04:06<beatdown>Sounds like you fscked your system up
04:06<HermanDE>I tried to fsckup the system... Didn't work.
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04:08<HermanDE>I'm guessing that it's a very nasty bug that will be reported and fixed tomorrow....
04:08<jm_>you said df -i showed 42% inodes still available
04:09<HermanDE>I originally read that as df -l..... df -i show 0%
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04:09<jm_>well duh
04:10<jm_>font joys of lL0O1i etc.
04:10<HermanDE>Yep... The media had issues. I tried to fix it and failed with my common tools...
04:10<jm_>so you have a ton of files somewhere
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04:11<HermanDE>I guess I had 4 billion files. Each is a single byte.
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04:13<Stummi>I think I once got kicked here because "don't joke about rm -rf /". Did that rule become loosen?
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04:14<jm_>please stop with that crap
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04:25<HermanDE>And now I discovered that my ansible script had some known fixes unfinished. Gotta love half projects.
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05:12<twb>Well at least know I know he's not just really angry about systemd questions
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05:21<boss_>hi all
05:21<boss_>how can i check whether my video card in debian support 4kHD or not
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05:21<boss_>i got a Lenovo 500 yogapad., loaded with debian jessie.,
05:21<boss_>but i dont know how to ensure whether it supports 4k HD resolution or no
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05:23<movl>what video card is it?
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05:28<duclicsic>the information I can find online suggests the yoga 500 only comes with a 1080p display
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05:29<jennna>https://www.change.org/p/high-court-of-justice-of-england-and-wales-save-vladimir-bukovsky
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05:32<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IdeaPad#Y500 ?
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05:43<movl>as far as google tells me, that nvidia card supports 4k, but, of course, in your case, that means external display :)
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05:45<boss_>i didnt configure nvidia drivers in debina
05:45<boss_>i tried with nouvae drivers but it didnt work out
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05:46<boss_>so am using the default intel card only., so does that mean the intel card does not supports 4k?
05:46<movl>afaik, no, it doesn't, but I ain't sure
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05:47<movl>do you have a 4k-capable display handy?
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05:50<boss_>i have nvidia card also installed in laptop
05:51<boss_>but the drivers i have not tried with debian
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05:52<jm_>you'd need to use bumblebee if you really have both
05:54<peter1138>depends on the exact model
05:54<peter1138>intel hd 520 should support 4k
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05:58<movl>i7-3630QM does indeed support 4k, but @ 30Hz
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06:22<scootergrisen>What tool can i use to extract images from a pdf file?
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06:24<Brigo>scootergrisen, pdfimages can do it.
06:25<Brigo>scootergrisen, in poppler-utils package
06:26<duclicsic>scootergrisen, that was a fairly trivial thing to google. were you not able to find anything in your own searching?
06:27<scootergrisen>I dont use google
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06:27<movl>lol
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06:28<duclicsic>well the same search query worked fine in duckduckgo
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06:33<scootergrisen>Yae it worked :D
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06:50<scootergrisen>Thanks
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07:01<boss_>when i connect my laptop to external display , my screen birightness goes zero always
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07:57<Guest2679>I am trying to install a vm in KVM by mounting an iso but I get the following error
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07:57<Guest2679>virsh # attach-disk 2012test /home/user/Downloads/2012.ISO hdc --type cdrom --mode readonly
07:57<Guest2679>error: Failed to attach disk
07:57<Guest2679>error: internal error: No device with bus 'ide' and target 'hdc'. cdrom and floppy device hotplug isn't supported by libvirt
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07:58<Guest2679>there is no device hdc but how to correctly mount this?
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08:20<lupine>hmm, I'm trying to change the mode on /dev/kvm with a udev rule and it's of the opinion that MODE="0660" is an invalid key/value pair
08:20<lupine>pretty sure this worked in wheezy :/
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08:31<timkil>How come several programs are flatly refusing to run?
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08:37<petn-randall>timkil: Can you be more specific? What error do you get when you run what from the command line?
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08:40<timkil>I'm completely new to linux, so I guess I'm driving blind, but I tried to get Stepmania 3.9 and the executable simply does nothing. At all. Can I run it from a command line to check what's going wrong and if so: how?
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08:40<petn-randall>timkil: Where did you get Stepmania from?
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08:41<petn-randall>timkil: You can run it by opening a terminal of your choice, then probably type 'stepmania'
08:41<timkil>Sourceforge. The official site only carries SM5.
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08:42<timkil>I tried that and it simply gives me a "command not found".
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08:43<petn-randall>timkil: You then have to check how the binary is called that you installed, then run that by hand on the terminal.
08:43<FLD>i would almost feel safer running stepmania via wine-staging :p
08:44<timkil>lel really?
08:44<timkil>Alright, how do I do that then? Like the "run" command on windows?
08:45<lupine>alt+f2, gnome-terminal -e "commmand here" should be fine
08:46<lupine>I say should be, it's not doing the thing here
08:48<lupine>gnome-terminal -e "sh -c 'ls ; sleep 1000'" --window
08:48<lupine>close enough
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09:27<timkil>What is a broken package and how do I stop holding it?
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09:45<yingchun>hello
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09:47<grove>timkil: Can you provide some moe information? Preferably the command you're trying and the complete output of it
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11:11<tgd>hi. is it possible for a repository manager to mark a package as dangerous, so it appears on hold by default when a user runs apt-get upgrade ?
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11:17<p0rk0ff>does the Homepage control field of a package support multiple URLs?
11:18<tgd>I'm trying to understand how linux-image-armmp from jessie-backports was put on hold on my server, even though I didn't do anything. "why" is pretty obvious, the package has a nasty bug.
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11:47<timkil>grove: I've been trying quite a lot of stuff until about half an hour ago when I decided to just start downloading Debian from scratch. Wine isn't working, the internet turns on and off, actual linux software has 50% chance of even booting.. netinst: Not even once.
11:47<timkil>Hopefully I can at the very least create a bootable USB..
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12:16<HhIiLl1>quick question hopefully someone can address :)
12:17<mtn>!ask
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:17<sney>ask your question, don't ask to ask
12:18<HhIiLl1>in an attempt to reduce shutdown time, I modified my systemd config file by adjusting DefaultTimeoutStartSec=1 and DefaultTimeoutStopSec=1
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12:18<HhIiLl1>now when i boot up the laptop, it times out right after decrypting the drive
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12:18<HhIiLl1>and never starts up
12:18<HhIiLl1>just sits there
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12:19<HhIiLl1>did i basically just foobar my system heh
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12:19<HhIiLl1>i can't even boot into recovery
12:19<HhIiLl1>can't get a shell
12:19<HhIiLl1>:<
12:19<HhIiLl1>thanks mtn, dpkg, sney
12:19<HhIiLl1>:)
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12:22<HhIiLl1>when booting into recovery it says TIME in red, timed out waiting for device....
12:23<HhIiLl1>DEPEND in yellow, dependency failed for cryptography setup for sda5_crypt
12:23<HhIiLl1>last line says Mounted /boot.
12:23<HhIiLl1>and just sits there
12:23<sney>you're probably better off mounting the disk under a different system and changing those settings back, though I'm not sure what the approach would be re: encryption
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12:24<HhIiLl1>thanks sney
12:24<HhIiLl1>i was considering that
12:24<HhIiLl1>haven't tried yet
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12:25<HhIiLl1>it's a thinkpad so it'll be kind of a pain to get the HD out
12:25<HhIiLl1>but i'll try that and mount on my ubuntu desktop
12:25<aeb>HhIiLl1: if you have a Debian install medium to boot from I think its rescue mode should help with that
12:25<HhIiLl1>yeah?
12:25<sney>thinkpads usually have a pretty accessible hard drive bay
12:26<HhIiLl1>ok
12:26<sney>some kind of live recovery might also help, as long as you can still decrypt it anyway
12:26<HhIiLl1>right
12:26<HhIiLl1>that's what i'm worried about
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12:26<HhIiLl1>it's timing out before mounting
12:26<aeb>you really only need a live medium that comes with cryptsetup
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12:27<danielsh>(or network and apt-get)
12:27<HhIiLl1>i have the live cd right here :)
12:28<HhIiLl1>i have a couple options now, thanks!
12:29<aeb>if you know how to manually use cryptsetup to setup your LVM or partitions you're good to go
12:30<aeb>otherwise the Debian installers come with a rescue mode, but since I hardly ever use it I don't know how easy they are to use for this case
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12:30<HhIiLl1>eh, i've never messed around with that aeb
12:30<HhIiLl1>how would you go about that?
12:31<HhIiLl1>if you wouldn't mind just giving a general description I can research
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12:31<danielsh>cryptsetup luksOpen the partition will give you a /dev/mapper/* device for the unencrypted partition
12:32<HhIiLl1>is this through the grub command line?
12:32<danielsh>no, as root on the livecd
12:32<HhIiLl1>ahhhhh
12:32<HhIiLl1>ok
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12:32<HhIiLl1><-- noobish here, thanks heh
12:32<danielsh>once you do that, chroot into the system proper and fix it
12:32<aeb>do you have an encrypted LVM or just encrypted partitions?
12:33<HhIiLl1>just encrypted partitions i believe
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12:33<HhIiLl1>i set it up during installation
12:33<HhIiLl1>sda5 is the encrypted partition
12:34<aeb>ok then, you set them up with "cryptsetup open" (see man page for lots of info) then you can mount it from /dev/mapper/<yourchosenname>
12:35<aeb>for LVM it would have been cryptsetup, then vgscan, then "vgchange -a y" and then all LVM volumes would appear
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12:36<HhIiLl1>thank you so much for your help
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12:37<HhIiLl1>i'll tinker around and if i have any more issues i'll be back :)
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12:37<HhIiLl1> < aeb> ok then, you set them up with "cryptsetup open" (see man page for lots of info) then you can mount it from /dev/mapper/<yourchosenname>
12:37<HhIiLl1>12:35 < aeb> for LVM it would have been cryptsetup, then vgscan, then "vgchange -a y" and then all LVM volumes would appear
12:37<HhIiLl1>oops soz
12:37<HhIiLl1>taking note heh
12:38<aeb>well, for you "cryptsetup open /dev/sda5 decrypted" then "mount /dev/mapper/decrypted /mnt" and you can use it
12:38<aeb>for more explicit notes :)
12:38<danielsh>aeb, why 'open' rather than 'luksOpen' ?
12:38<HhIiLl1>awesome
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12:39<HhIiLl1>yeah i have both written down just in case daniel heh
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12:39<aeb>danielsh: luksOpen is an alias for "open --type luks" now and --type luks is the default anyway
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12:40<danielsh>aeb, I see. It wasn't this way when I last looked.
12:41<danielsh>I guess the file HhIiLl1 needs to edit would be on his root partition?
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12:41<aeb>danielsh: ok, I think it has been that for a while and I hope the live medium isn't *that* old
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12:45<HhIiLl1>damnit
12:45<HhIiLl1>yeah, it fails to decrypt in rescue
12:45<HhIiLl1>screen goes red
12:45<HhIiLl1>ah well
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12:46<aeb>screen goes red? so it crashes?
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12:47<HhIiLl1>yeah, when i try to use sda5 as my root file system to get a shell
12:48<HhIiLl1>screen goes red and says mount failed
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12:49<HhIiLl1>ah wait a sec
12:49<aeb>I'm not clear on what you are actually doing, but you should just mount the problematic root in the booted live system and use the live system's tools to edit the file
12:49<HhIiLl1>nm
12:49<HhIiLl1>right right
12:49<HhIiLl1>i got shell now
12:50<HhIiLl1>apologies
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12:52<HhIiLl1>ok, tried cryptsetup open /dev/sda5 decrypted
12:52<HhIiLl1>says cannot use device which is in use (already mapped or mounted)
12:52<HhIiLl1>i'm assuming i have to unmount and try again
12:53<aeb>so is this the second time you do cryptsetup?
12:53<HhIiLl1>no
12:53<HhIiLl1>first attempt
12:53<aeb>hmm, I'd say it did something automatically but it actually couldn't do that without your encryptiong password...
12:54<HhIiLl1>right
12:54<aeb>well, did it already ask for a password before?
12:54<HhIiLl1>yeah
12:54<HhIiLl1>i think i need to restart
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12:55<aeb>what live CD do you use anyway
12:55<HhIiLl1>jessie 8.2 64bit
12:56<aeb>if it asked for the password, it may have already unlocked it
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12:58<aeb>hmm, I don't think I have a jessie medium lying around to try and see what it does...
12:58<HhIiLl1>ah no worries
12:59<HhIiLl1>you've helped alot
12:59<HhIiLl1>i think there's hope
12:59<aeb>...or I could just read the manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en
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13:00<aeb>if you have selected your encrypted root partition in rescue mode, it should automatically mount it on /target (and ask for the password along the way, I should think)
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13:02<HhIiLl1>yeah that's what it does
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13:03<HhIiLl1>first time i decrypt using passphrase it says cannot use device
13:03<HhIiLl1>already mapped or mounted
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13:03<HhIiLl1>which is bizzare
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13:03<aeb>well, you don't need to do cryptsetup etc. yourself in that case, it's already available on /target for you
13:04<HhIiLl1>ok
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13:04<HhIiLl1>so which command would i use then to access?
13:05<HhIiLl1>"open /dev/sda5" ?
13:05<aeb>nothing, it's mounted already
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13:05<HhIiLl1>but how would i decrypt it?
13:06<aeb>you told it your root device and it asked for a password, right?
13:07<HhIiLl1>yes, but when i do that it fails
13:07<HhIiLl1>screen turns red
13:07<aeb>ah ok, that's where that came in
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13:07<HhIiLl1>says it's already in use
13:08<HhIiLl1>looks like i might be taking the hd out heh
13:08<HhIiLl1>not real confident in that approach either
13:08<aeb>so already during startup, before you get a shell to type commands in, it says it's already in use?
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13:09<HhIiLl1>correct
13:09<aeb>taking out the disk and connecting it elsewhere is the same, just on a different computer :)
13:09<HhIiLl1>yeah heh
13:09<HhIiLl1>ffs ha
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13:11<aeb>do you have internet access in the live system?
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13:12<HhIiLl1>that's weird, i can't use vi either
13:12<HhIiLl1>says not found
13:13<danielsh>which ed nano pico vi vim vim.tiny emacs
13:13<danielsh>run that ^
13:13<HhIiLl1>wut
13:13<HhIiLl1>all of them?
13:14<danielsh>Maybe vi is not installed...
13:14<danielsh>and yes, which(1) can take multiple arguments.
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13:14<HhIiLl1>ha, which not found
13:14<HhIiLl1>great
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13:15<danielsh>HhIiLl1, just to be clear, you're at a root shell prompt of a live cd, yes?
13:15<HhIiLl1>correct
13:15<blast007>which live CD?
13:15<aeb>what is in /target then? Does ls /target show anything?
13:15<HhIiLl1>i finally got in
13:16<HhIiLl1>jessie 8.2 64bit
13:16<HhIiLl1>no such target aeb
13:16<danielsh>HhIiLl1, what's the exact error?
13:16<blast007>HhIiLl1: which specific live CD.. there's several
13:16<blast007>and are you confusing 'live CD' with 'installer CD'?
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13:17<HhIiLl1>yes, i'm running live cd with installer cd
13:17<HhIiLl1>i can't remember which one exactly blast007
13:17<HhIiLl1>just know it's jessie 8.2 installer cd running in recovery
13:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 779] by debhelper
13:18<blast007>so then not a live DVD
13:18<HhIiLl1>no
13:18<HhIiLl1>didn't know there was a difference ha
13:19<blast007>the live DVDs boot a full system, usually including a desktop environment
13:19<HhIiLl1>i always thought "live" meant you just run it on the cd and don't install
13:19<danielsh>You can run 'lsblk' to see what's mounted where
13:19<HhIiLl1>ok cool
13:19<HhIiLl1>i'll get the live cd
13:19<HhIiLl1>dvd whatever
13:19<HhIiLl1>yeah lsblk not found either
13:20<HhIiLl1>ok
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13:20<HhIiLl1>i'll download a live version and try from there
13:20<HhIiLl1>thanks so much for your help guys
13:20<HhIiLl1>i gotta go
13:20<danielsh>good luck
13:20<HhIiLl1>i may be back :)
13:20<HhIiLl1>thanks!
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13:41<nikv>hi, I've newly installed debian . I installed the package "firmware-atheros" for my tp-link 821N v3 wifi dongle. The green light on the wifi dongle blinks and network management says I have a wifi connection. When I ping google, however, I get "Destination host unreachable". any suggestions?
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13:42<danielsh>does dns resolution work?
13:42<blast007>nikv: are you able to ping your router?
13:45<nikv>blast007 how would I ping my router?
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13:46<nikv>danielsh, i don't know what you mean by dns resolution
13:46<retrospectacus>were you on ethernet before and still have an eth0 default route in "ip r" output?
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13:47<danielsh>nikv, does 'host example.com' print IP addresses?
13:47<danielsh>or ping example.com, too
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13:49<nikv>danielsh, it prints "from debian.local(169.254.9.43) icmp_seq=1 destiniation host unreachable"
13:49<sypher>APIPA address is your problem.
13:50<sypher>169.254.*.* means you didn't get an IP address from DHCP.
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13:51<danielsh>could just run dhclient manually...
13:51<danielsh>dhclient ${interfacename}
13:52<nikv>with interfacename, do you mean wlan0?
13:53<danielsh>might be wlan1 but yes
13:53<steev>hey all, i've bumped to systemd 229-5 and i'm running into a somewhat weird issue here. I have net.ifnames=0 in my kernel command line, however, my *wifi* device still gets the predictible interface name instead of wlan0. http://paste.debian.net/680719/ anyone have any ideas what changed?
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13:53<nikv>seems to have worked :)
13:53<danielsh>!testing
13:53<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
13:54<sypher>,v systemd
13:54<judd>Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; stretch: 229-5; sid: 229-5
13:54<danielsh>Wrong factoid...
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13:54<steev>it's sid based
13:54<danielsh>steev, If you run stretch head over to #debian-next
13:54<steev>okay
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14:00<nikv>danielsh, I get a connection when I run dhclient wlan0, but when I reboot it's gone. Is there a way to fix this?
14:00<danielsh>nikv, that was meant only as a diagnostic, not as a solution.
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14:01<danielsh>nikv, you'd want to make the system startup (eg networkmanager) bring up the connection.
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14:02<Guest2712>I need some explanation about KVM-qenu with webvirtmgr. when not running instances I can connect with KVM servername and I get a starting system. How is that possible?
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14:04<Guest2714>ok
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14:05<Guest2714>hi
14:05<retrospectacus>hi
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14:06<blast007>nikv: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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14:18<nikv>blast007, i
14:19<nikv>i've follewed all steps in kde paragraph, it's in the network manager list, it gives a good signal symbol, but it will always give the above error when pinging (or just unable to connect in browser)
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14:20<nikv>unless when I run dhclient wlan0, then I can ping with 0% packet loss
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14:21<danielsh>Check syslog then, whether there are dhcp/dhclient errors before your manual dhclient invocation ?
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14:21<danielsh>That, or it brings up the interface but doesn't connect to any network by default
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14:28<macchiato>how can i automatically create and save debug logs in kickstart + debian installer ?
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14:32<nikv>danielsh, what should I search for in /var/log/syslog?
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14:34<danielsh>nikv, error message from the network stack (networkmanager / dhclient / etc)
14:36<nikv>_nl_get_vtable : asserstion 'vtable.handle' failed
14:37<nikv>the rest is <info>
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14:39<danielsh>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1205195
14:39<danielsh>No idea if that explains your problem though
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14:40<nikv>there is also dhclient: no DHCPOFFERS recieved
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14:41<danielsh>interesting
14:42<danielsh>if you run 'dhclient -v' you'll see that DHCPOFFER is the first response
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14:43<danielsh>Maybe you can just increase some timeout... Or you could just workaround it, echo dhclient wlan0 | sudo tee -a /etc/rc.local
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14:44<nikv>hmm, i found this: interface file /etc/network/interfaces.d/* doesn't exist
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14:45<blast007>that's fine, as that's just optional files
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14:46<blast007>the default timeout of dhclient is 60 seconds, which seems like it should be enough
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14:49<nikv>warning: nss-myhostname is not installed?
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14:53<macchiato>anyone know how i can log %post in ubuntu kickstart? %post --log=/root/log doesnt apppear to work
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14:55<sney>!ubuntuirc macchiato
14:55<dpkg>macchiato: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:56<macchiato>uh how about we pretend im running debian
14:56<macchiato>its debian installer !
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14:56<macchiato>tough channel
14:56<dax>no.
14:57<macchiato>its all joey hess code
14:57<macchiato>anyone know how i can log %post in debian kickstart? %post --log=/root/log doesnt apppear to work
14:58<sney>ask your question in #ubuntu please. you are not the one special exception to the "no support for derivatives" rule and your justification is not new
14:59<nikv>danielsh, adding dhclient wlan0 to the rclog doesn't work
14:59<nikv>rc.local
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15:06<nikv>should it load a vpn while I don't have a vpn? it says Network manager: <info> VPN: loaded org.freedesktop.Networkmanager.openvpn"
15:09<danielsh>nikv, that just says it loaded the openvpn module.
15:09<danielsh>so it'll show an "openvpn" menu item and so on.
15:10<danielsh>nikv, then have it sleep and try again, or log its stderr, etc.
15:10<nikv>okay, another warning.. "libgcrypt warning: missing initialization, please fix the application"
15:10<nikv>okay, i will try
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15:14<HappyDebianGuy>does anyone know how to log %post during kickstart ?
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15:15<sney>is #ubuntu really that useless?
15:15<sney>or are you just obstinate
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15:15<retrospectacus>HappyDebianGuy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer
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15:16<dax>sney: to be fair, #ubuntu doesn't tend to do well at non-normal-desktop stuff like kickstart
15:16<dax>which is no excuse at all
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15:17<sney>yeah. and ubuntu absolutely definitely modifies d-i, anyway. so even if he asks in #debian-boot or on a d-i mailing list there's a good chance of finding a difference
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15:17<sney>but no, everyone is the first person to think of getting ubuntu support here, and the rule is silly, obviously. /ot
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15:30<nicolo>ciao
15:30<nicolo>!list
15:30<dpkg>nicolo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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15:41<dpkg>nicolo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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15:43<ompaul>!it
15:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:44<ompaul>oh fiddle stick
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15:45<sney>he would have just listed in there anyway
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15:46<ompaul>sney: true so I had the bot send himj that
15:46<ompaul>because it could
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15:49<abodhacker>hello
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17:08<justinb>i followed https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge but when i enter "systemctl enable lxc-net" i get "Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory". anyone else run into this before?
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18:29<jmcnaught>justinb: i haven't tried using those instructions before, but they look incomplete to me. For "systemctl enable lxc-net" to work there would need to be an lxc-net service unit file or init script in /etc/init.d/ but that is not mentioned in the instructions
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18:29<franksalive>error: cannot load 'openrecovery-twrp-3.0.2-0-hima.img
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18:30<franksalive>not sure if anyone can help me with this error?
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18:30<jmcnaught>justinb: what i've got in my simple LXC setup is a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces, and these three lines in /etc/lxc/default.conf: http://paste.debian.net/680908/
18:33<jmcnaught>franksalive: someone might be able to help if you provide details like where does this error come from, what are you doing when you get the error, what did you expect etc.
18:34<justinb>jmcnaught: nothing defined in /etc/network/interfaces i have that in my /etc/lxc/default.conf already
18:35<justinb>the documentation doesn't have anything about adding anything to /etc/network/interfaces for the first method
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18:37<jmcnaught>justinb: that page you linked to https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge does talk about adding a bridge in /e/n/interfaces and needing to install bridge-utils
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18:37<jmcnaught>justinb: if you're already using libvirt on this computer you can just use the virbr0 that libvirt creates
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18:44<franksalive>jmcnaught, Yea sorry, i did some more digging and got it figured out
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18:52<justinb>libvirt didn't create a virbr0
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19:06<jmcnaught>justinb: libvirt calls this network "default" but it doesn't start it at boot by default. "virsh net-start default" to start it, "virsh net-autostart default" to make it autostart (for both virsh commands you probably need "-c qemu:///system" (for KVM at least)
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19:09<xapure>help
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19:10<xapure>hola...
19:10<jmcnaught>!ask
19:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:11<xapure>?
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19:13<jmcnaught>xapure: if you need help you are welcome to ask a detailed question.
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21:51<HhIiLl1>hello :)
21:52<HhIiLl1>i was in here earlier and a few folks helped me with some recovery
21:52<HhIiLl1>trying to modify systemd config file back to default
21:53<HhIiLl1>i *think i have shell but can't access the folders
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21:53<HhIiLl1>i.e., can't cd into directories
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21:55<HhIiLl1>running jessie 8.2
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21:57<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: what were you trying to recover? how are you booting now? why do you think you have shell?
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21:58<HhIiLl1>hi jmcnaught, i'll answer in order, just a sec please
21:59<HhIiLl1>basically what started the issue was me attempting to reduce shutdown time. I tweaked a couple values in the systemd config file to be 1 second instead of 90
21:59<HhIiLl1>after doing that, i would get a timeout error after booting up
22:00<HhIiLl1>right after decrypting the drive
22:00<HhIiLl1>and it would just sit there and never load
22:00<HhIiLl1>so i'm trying to recover the default systemd config file
22:01<HhIiLl1>through rescue mode but am having some difficulty
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22:01<HhIiLl1>i may end up trying to do it on another system and mounting the hd
22:01<HhIiLl1>might be more pain free ha
22:02<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: how are you trying rescue mode? with an installer disk, or with the recovery option in the grub menu? Have you tried solution 3 or 4 from here? https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging
22:03<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: what values did you change by the way?
22:03<HhIiLl1>ah i mentioned those values earlier today
22:03<HhIiLl1>were you logged in all day today? you could probably scroll up
22:03<HhIiLl1>i can look up again tho
22:04<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: it's unreasonably to expect volunteers to search through the history like that, can you refer to your notes and just tell me?
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22:04<HhIiLl1>sure thing
22:04<blast007>< HhIiLl1> in an attempt to reduce shutdown time, I modified my systemd config file by adjusting DefaultTimeoutStartSec=1 and DefaultTimeoutStopSec=1
22:04<blast007>that?
22:04<HhIiLl1>boom
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22:04<HhIiLl1>thanks blast ;)
22:05<jmcnaught>thanks :)
22:05<blast007>:)
22:05<sepan>jf
22:05<sepan>why is my system so slow
22:05<HhIiLl1>i'm also reading your link too btw jmcnaught
22:05<blast007>sepan: which version of Debian are you running?
22:06<sepan>8.00
22:06<blast007>sepan: in what ways is it slow?
22:06<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: do you see in solution #1 in that link it says add "systemd.log_target", I wonder if there's a way to put DefaultTimeoutStartSec in the boot options like that
22:07<sepan>like just the operating system itself i just installed it by the way
22:08<HhIiLl1>yes i see that
22:08<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: hmmm... https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/kernel-command-line.html seems to not include the ones you would like to set back to default
22:08<HhIiLl1>also, i have not tried solution 3 or 4
22:09<sepan>ok thanks!
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22:10<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: rescue.target starts a lot less stuff, maybe it will help
22:11<HhIiLl1>ok, is this through grub?
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22:12<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: yeah, on the grub boot menu you would press 'e', and edit the line that starts with "linux", then press F10 to boot (i think, it should say which key to press)
22:13<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: out of curiousity, where did you get the idea to do in the first place? Were you having long shutdowns with systemd or something?
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22:13<HhIiLl1>yeah, it was taking 90 seconds to shut down
22:14<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: it was probably doing something.. anyways one thing at a time
22:16<HhIiLl1>ok so after linux i put "unit=rescue.target"
22:16<HhIiLl1>?
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22:17<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: at the end of that line, don't erase what's there (except for the word quiet so you can get more information)
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22:21<HhIiLl1>ok it's stuck
22:21<HhIiLl1>screen dimmed
22:22<HhIiLl1>last line says ACPI: video device [VID1] (multi-head: yes rom: yes post: no)
22:23<HhIiLl1>i'll try again
22:23<HhIiLl1>i just did rescue.target
22:23<HhIiLl1>will try full
22:23<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: okay, instead of the rescue.target you could append "systemd.debug-shell", which should get you a root shell on tty9
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22:24<HhIiLl1>so just add it to the end?
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22:26<HhIiLl1>oh wait so "systemd.unit=systemd.debug-shell"
22:26<HhIiLl1>?
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22:31<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: no just systemd.debug-shell
22:31<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: that should let you do "alt-f9" and get a root shell
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22:34<HhIiLl1>noice
22:34<HhIiLl1>i'm root
22:35<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: so see if you can edit those configuration files and then reboot
22:35<HhIiLl1>attempting now :)
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22:36<HhIiLl1>what's the easiest, nano? ha
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22:36<HhIiLl1>vi makes me shudder
22:37<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: use nano if you don't like vi
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22:37<HhIiLl1>i've only used vi once
22:37<HhIiLl1>nano a few times
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22:39<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: simply commenting the lines out should be all you need to do
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22:40<HhIiLl1>rebooting now :)
22:40*HhIiLl1 crosses fingers
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22:41<HhIiLl1>damnit
22:41<HhIiLl1>it's just sitting there after unlocking
22:42<HhIiLl1>that's another issue i was hoping to tackle heh
22:42<HhIiLl1>ever since i installed Marble, an alternative to google earth
22:42<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: you can use that debug shell to try and figure out what's happening.. does the system boot at least?
22:43<HhIiLl1>no it just sits there, retrying
22:43<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: if it just takes a long time to boot, "systemd-analyze blame" can tell you the culprit
22:43<HhIiLl1>yeah it takes a long time
22:43<HhIiLl1>like forever
22:43<HhIiLl1>it never starts up
22:43<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: if you remove "quiet" does it tell you what's taking a long time?
22:43<HhIiLl1>one time i let it sit for like 30 minutes
22:44<HhIiLl1>and then when i rebooted it said something about the temperature
22:44<HhIiLl1>it gets stuck at random lines jmcnaught
22:44<HhIiLl1>varies
22:45<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: and you changed all the lines in /etc/systemd/system.conf to defaults (either commented out or removed)?
22:45<HhIiLl1>correct
22:46<HhIiLl1>login screen this time!
22:46*HhIiLl1 high fives
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22:46<HhIiLl1>thank you so much
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22:47<HhIiLl1>could you potentially help with the boot up issue?
22:47<HhIiLl1>and it taking forever to shut down?
22:48<HhIiLl1>you've helped immensely already
22:48<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: for the bootup issue you could put the output of "systemd-analyze blame" on http://paste.debian.net/ . Also checking the logs with journalctl is where you would look for clues
22:49<jmcnaught>for shutdown issues to use journalctl for the previous boot you would need to enable journal persistence as described in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
22:49<HhIiLl1>ok
22:49<jmcnaught>(or look for clues in /var/log/syslog and other log files
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22:52<HhIiLl1>ran systemd-analyze blame
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22:57<HhIiLl1>here ya go paste.debian.net/681106
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23:16<HhIiLl1>thanks again for your help jmcnaught
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23:17<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: you're welcome. i was distracted for a bit. each of the lines in that paste is a service you can check with "systemctl status servicename" or see its logs with "journalctl -u ModemManager.service" for example. the ones that take a long time are the one to look at first
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23:18<HhIiLl1>ok
23:18<HhIiLl1>i tried journalctl but no files were found
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23:18<HhIiLl1>i'll mess around with systemctl
23:19<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: you need to run it as root, or as a user in the "adm" group (the adm group can read logs)
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23:19<HhIiLl1>oh heh
23:21<HhIiLl1>ok, just ran it
23:21<HhIiLl1>you wanna see it?
23:22<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: you should try looking for reasons yourself first, and research clues, and then ask for help here if you're hitting a wall
23:22<jmcnaught>HhIiLl1: but if you make a paste someone might be able to help
23:23<HhIiLl1>sounds good
23:23<HhIiLl1>i've learned a lot today :)
23:24<HhIiLl1>i'll disect and see what i come up with
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