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---Logopened Tue May 10 10:27:42 2016
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10:54<zathras>Hi. What is the quick fix for "Protocol http not supported or disabled in libcurl" when running apt or aptitude please?
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10:56<sney>malformed sources.list?
10:56<zathras>nope. not that I know.
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10:58<duclicsic>zathras: is there more to the error message? can you pastebin the whole thing?
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11:02<zathras>http://paste.debian.net/683229/
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11:03<zathras>including apt config
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11:04<sney>do you have apt-transport-https installed?
11:04<duclicsic>zathras: you're missing a / in https:/nightly.odoo/c....
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11:04<duclicsic>dunno if that might be problematic
11:04<sney>oh indeed. malformed sources.list like I said...
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11:11<zathras>duclicsic, my typing skills seem to be troublesome. There was also another typo. Now everything works. Thanks, sorry sney and duclicsic
11:11<sney>!next
11:11<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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11:17<izibi>hi, is it possible to find out for how long a process is holding the dpkg lock?
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11:18<retrospectacus>izibi: yes, but what do you really want to do?
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11:21<izibi>retrospectacus: I have a monitoring check that checks whether a set of packages is correctly installed, but while dpkg is running, it sometimes reports inconsistent results so I want to make it assume everythings correct if dpkg is running for less than a few minutes
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11:27<retrospectacus>checking the install status of packages does not require to lock dpkg
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11:29<izibi>I don't want to lock it, I want to see how old the current lock is
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11:35<retrospectacus>I don't think you can do that. Maybe you can inspect "ps ef" output to determine if apt or dpkg is running
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11:36<retrospectacus>I was thinking something like "inotifywait -m /var/lib/dpkg/lock" but it is no good for historical information
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11:40<retrospectacus>ps faux
11:41<izibi>well I can get the pid of the process holding the lock so I can get its start time, should be good enough for my needs. thanks
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12:06<anddam>I'm getting W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:1397BC53640DB551 while updating apt
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12:06<anddam>the solution I find on web is to install debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring that I already have
12:06<anddam>and that don't have an upgrade after updating
12:07<anddam>how do I check what does this key belong to?
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12:11<retrospectacus>google the key ID
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12:12<anddam>I did, that's where the results about debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring came from
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12:13<anddam>also quite a few ubuntu specific references that suprised me
12:13<anddam>oh nvm
12:13<retrospectacus>that key belongs to google. It should have led you here https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
12:13<anddam>chrome repo
12:13<anddam>it didn't
12:14<anddam>I'm using duckduckgo
12:14<anddam>thanks
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12:14<retrospectacus>you're using duckduckgo and *chrome* not chromium???
12:15<anddam>no I'm using duckduckgo and firefox on this machine, but I'm ssh'd into my debian box
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12:15<anddam>that I tried to upgrade, hence the issue
12:15<anddam>retrospectacus: what would the issue be with using chrome over chromium and ddg?
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12:16<MeanderingCode>can anyone point me in the right direction to find out if i can separate my laptop speakers from the headphones?
12:16<MeanderingCode>It appears that some hardware, at some point in alsa history, could enable something called "Independent HP", making mixers show the two as separate outputs.
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12:17<MeanderingCode>this is gleaned from forum posts where it's mentioned, but i can't seem to find good reference on the topic
12:17<anddam>retrospectacus: IIRC I had to install Chrome a while ago since Chrome Remote Desktop wasn't available on chromium
12:17<retrospectacus>anddam: chrome is nothing more than chromium with user tracking and some other privacy-compromizing features added
12:18<anddam>retrospectacus: I see, so it'd have been sorta a point of being in contradiction, using ddg for privacy and giving it away with chrome
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12:18<anddam>I used what I needed
12:19<retrospectacus>*shrug* depends how many layers of tinfoil are in your hat
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12:20<anddam>i'm just wearing headphones on the head
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12:20<retrospectacus>the big ones provide some magnetic shielding :)
12:21<opeik>Hi, I'm using Jessie and I'm getting this error when using apt-get
12:21<opeik>"N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension"
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12:21<anddam>are there factoids for kernel building?
12:21<anddam>is http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ the reference
12:21<anddam>'
12:21<anddam>s/'/?
12:22<anddam>(keyboard not working properly)
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12:23<retrospectacus>the factoids point to that document, yes
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12:24<retrospectacus>opeik: it's a Notice (starts with N) - not an error. Ignore it
12:24<opeik>Oh, alright
12:24<retrospectacus>or delete that file if you really want to not see it
12:25<anddam>retrospectacus: I mean what's the factoid name?
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12:26<anddam>'kernel' just listed the versions
12:26<anddam>btw is there a keyword to search factoids?
12:26<retrospectacus>anddam: <kp> will lead you to <kernel handbook>
12:26<sney>!search dpkg
12:26<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
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12:27<anddam>thanks
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13:01<mirbogat>Running Cinnamon on Debian 8.4 on my Dell laptop. When using external monitor (which is also from Dell) only one of my screens are lit, the other are always black. Both screens are visible in arandr and are not "on top of each other". Any tips?
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13:02<bill-auger>usually laptops are designed to turn the laptop screen off when an external monitor is plugged in - and there is usually a "maybe blue" key that toggles it on and off
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13:03<bill-auger>but you will most likely only be able to get mirror mode without some configurtion
13:03<mirbogat>yes, I have used that button, and mirroring is fine as you said
13:03<bill-auger>used to be you needeed some extra packages like xinerama and maybe even a proprietary video driver
13:04<bill-auger>to get extended-desktop mode
13:04<mirbogat>my graphics card is internal (Intel) and I have "xserver-xorg-video-intel" drivers installed
13:04<mirbogat>will try xinerama
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13:06<bill-auger>ask the duck dood - im sure debian or arch has a nice tutorial on this - it been 10 years since i last set up multi monitor i probably can t help much more than that off-hand - its probably gotten wasier than i had it (xorg.conf hell)
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13:06<mirbogat>@bill-auger thanks!
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13:25<LostSoul_>hi
13:25<LostSoul_>Is there chance to do sub search in nss_base_passwd ?
13:25<LostSoul_>Like when I want to check if user is memberof=XXX or member of subgroups of that group?
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13:33<LostSoul_>So I'm trying to setup libnss/ldap login to server based on AD membership
13:33<LostSoul_>Problem is I can force it to allow login members that are member of X group or that are member of GROUPS that are member of thix X group
13:33<LostSoul_>I'm only allowed when user is member of X group, but not when he is member of group that is member of that group
13:34<grawity>sssd-ldap(5) supports nested groups
13:34<grawity>oh, AD
13:35<grawity>pretty sure it supports nested groups in its AD module too
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13:43<LostSoul_>Hmm, thanks
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14:01<error27>i'm using www.deb-multimedia.org, and i'm on testing and apt somehow got hosed.
14:01<error27>libgstreamer1.0-0 : Breaks: gstreamer1.0-plugins-base (< 1.8.0) but 1.6.3-1 is to be installed
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14:02<error27>but it should be upgrading to gstreamer1.0-plugins-base_1.8.1-1 so i'm not sure why it's saying 1.6.3-1 is to be installed
14:03<error27>when i do apt-get -f install the it says "trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gstreamer-1.0/libgstopus.so', which is also in package gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad:amd64 1:1.6.3-dmo2"
14:03<sney>dmm is not recommended for basically this exact reason
14:03<sney>it has low quality control
14:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell error27 about debian-next
14:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell error27 about why not dmm
14:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell error27 about bat
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14:12<grawity>LostSoul_: ah, and if you're using winbindd instead, then pam_winbind.conf(5) has require_membership_of=, which is also recursive
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14:48<error27>i followed dpkg's instructions to purge myself of dmm and it was pretty brutal. i have no gimp, vlc, totem, or gnome contacts now... :( the upgrade hosed my routing table and network manager trashed my /etc/resolv.conf...
14:49<error27>hopefully my experience will serve as an example to everyone to never touch dmm.
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15:14<LostSoul_>grawity: Interesting
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15:14<dumbl3d0re>I'm trying to install Debian, but the installer gives me the error message that it's some problem with the SSD.
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15:15<dumbl3d0re>So I run a (extensive) test with S.M.A.R.T. No errors. Do you have any suggestions on more extensive tests I can run to know if it's my SSD or the debian installer that's the problem?
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15:15<LostSoul_>Thanks grawity
15:15<Maulkin>dumbl3d0re: We could do with the exact error message
15:15<LostSoul_>It seems not more complicated to configure than libnss
15:16<LostSoul_>I'm kinda scare to do big changes
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15:17<sney>dumbl3d0re: that was you yesterday with the thinkpad right? I gather the problem didn't go away when you used the regular installer instead of the one with firmware
15:18<dumbl3d0re>sney: No, it didn't.
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15:19<dumbl3d0re>sney: I tested without the wifi drivers now, same problem. First time it ever happens to me.
15:19<sney>extensive experience says you're experiencing a hardware problem
15:19<dumbl3d0re>Yeah, sounds like it.
15:20<sney>you could try booting with a livecd and see if you can repartition the ssd from there, then try format and copy files onto the ssd
15:21<dumbl3d0re>sney: What tools and command should I use for reparation?
15:21<sney>fdisk or parted will do the job
15:22<dumbl3d0re>sney: OKey
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15:22<dumbl3d0re>I (only) use UEFI. I guess it shouldn't cause this problem?
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15:23<sney>no. the partition layout for gpt can be more complicated, but you're just testing the disk at this point, not installing an OS on it
15:24<sney>and the debian installer knows how to do efi/gpt
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15:29<retrospectacus>error27: you should have no trouble installing those things from debian main
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15:32<error27>i installed gimp and vlc, but the other gnome programs still give me the error that "libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (= 1.8.1-2) but 1:1.6.3-dmo2 is to be installed"
15:33<retrospectacus>,v libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
15:33<judd>Package: libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.4-2.1+b1; sid: 1.8.1-2; stretch: 1.8.1-2; sid-multimedia: 1:1.8.1-dmo1
15:33<retrospectacus>error27: you've removed dmm sources and updated?
15:34<error27>yeah. i'm doing a dist-upgrade now to see if that helps... it's going to take a few hours on my crappy internet.
15:35<retrospectacus>let us know how it goes (see again <debian-next> and <bat>)
15:36<error27>thanks for your help. it might be tomorrow before i can figure this out.
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15:47<dumbl3d0re_>sney: I'm now on the computer with a Ubuntu liveUSB.
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15:47<sney>ok
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15:49<dumbl3d0re_>sney: What is it I should do? (the log disapeared)
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15:50<sney>as root, use fdisk or parted to create a partition on your ssd, then format it, then mount it and try to write files to it
15:50<sney>if there's a problem with the ssd it will fail at one or all of these steps
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15:52<dumbl3d0re_>sney: Ok!
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15:55<dumbl3d0re_>sney: What source should I do for the data? Does /dev/zero work?
15:55<sney>yeah or 'touch foo' or a text editor or whatever
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16:01<dumbl3d0re_>sney: Is the tool `badblocks` useful, or does it 'too much'?
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16:01<sney>too much what?
16:02<dumbl3d0re_>sney: Is the extra work it does useful for this test, or is a usual
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16:03<sney>it won't always tell you if there's a problem, but if it shows a lot of bad blocks then that's a bad result
16:03<dumbl3d0re_>'sudo dd bs=4M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1' enough?
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16:03<sney>erm, no, I said mount the partition and try to write files
16:03<dumbl3d0re_>Oh, I misunderstood you.
16:04<sney>just writing nonsense directly to the partition doesn't test the same thing the installer was trying to do
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16:07<dumbl3d0re_>sney: I'm a newbie to this. How should I write the data to the SSD? I've formated it as a FAT32 drive and mounted it.
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16:07<warsoul>hello
16:08<warsoul>i just installed debian 8.4
16:08<sney>dumbl3d0re_: cd to the directory where you mounted it, then 'touch foo' will create a file
16:08<warsoul>but when i type startx it clears the screen and it freeze
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16:13<barteks2x>how to disable vsync for averything except window manager?
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16:18<barteks2x>or at least givve application control over vsync?
16:18<dumbl3d0re_>sney: I wrote the file to the ssd, but I guess I should try to write it to the whole drive?
16:19<barteks2x>For me enabling/disabling vsync in anythign that uses opengl doesn't work, I need to close it, and set vblank_mode to 0 or 1
16:19<dumbl3d0re_>I don't know bash, so I don't know how to write a loop that does that.
16:20<barteks2x>or should I ask abotu it somewhere else?
16:20<sney>dumbl3d0re_: if you dd /dev/urandom or /dev/zero to the _file_ then it will grow until it runs out of space
16:20<sney>dumbl3d0re_: but at this point it sounds like the disk is behaving somewhat normally. though, I would try formatting it with the filesystem the debian installer was using, rather than fat32 which is pretty minimal
16:21<dumbl3d0re_>sney: Yes. EXT4 it is then.
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16:35<dumbl3d0re_>sney: Has it any significance that I tried to install Debian with encryption?
16:36<sney>not necessarily, if you used the encryption provided by the installer
16:37<dumbl3d0re_>sney: It was the installer's.
16:38<sney>you could try installing without encryption just to see if it works. but with this kind of intermittent problem I still wouldn't trust that ssd
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17:09<dumbl3d0re_>sney: I wrote to the file with 'sudo dd bs=4M if=/dev/zero of=foo'. No errors.
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19:22<StrongBit>guys
19:22<StrongBit>hi
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19:22<deadbeef>hi
19:23<deadbeef>I am trying to manually copy paste files into vbox
19:23<deadbeef>already installed guest additions
19:23<deadbeef>cant make things
19:23<deadbeef>happen
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22:29<super>hello
22:30<mdlpe>hi, for multiplateforme backup with tar, witch locale I should use UTF8, iSO 8859 ?
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22:31<super>Can you speak chinese?
22:32<sney>!zh
22:32<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
22:32<super>Thank you .
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