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00:52<alumno>yessy
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01:17<matt__>to install the system, an EPS and a main partition, right?
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01:17<matt__>or do i also need something else?
01:17<matt__>+"i just need" in the first line ;)
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01:18<jmcnaught>matt__: if you choose guided partitioning it will make the decisions for you. if you use LVM or encryption you'll need a separate /boot partition
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01:19<jmcnaught>matt__: how did you put the Debian installer on your USB drive by the way? programs like unetbootin are known to cause weird problems
01:19<matt__>i did try that, but same error message when comes the install grub step
01:19<matt__>i'm using cds
01:20<matt__>so just burning the iso basically
01:21<jmcnaught>okay. if you were using USB stick prepared with unetbootin before that could have been causing your grub install problems
01:21<matt__>I see
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01:22<jmcnaught>matt__: take a look at the install manual if you haven't already. it could save some time versus multiple install attempts: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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01:23<matt__>i have checked without luck so far
01:24<matt__>annoyingly ubuntu works out of the box -_-'
01:25<jmcnaught>you'll probably have better luck with the cdrom
01:26<matt__>i have been using only cdroms
01:28<smokeysea>I did install from usb
01:28<smokeysea>but didn't find any issue encounterd while booting from it
01:31<jmcnaught>most people don't but some people have odd hardware or make mistakes. booting from usb works fine, it's unetbootin and tools like it that are known to mangle debian ISO images
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03:18<matt__>someone here to help by any chance?
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03:20<jm_>!ask
03:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:21<matt__>my question is a few lines up the log
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03:22<jm_>I don't see any questions from you
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03:22<matt__>ok
03:22<jm_>or is it about partitions?
03:22<matt__>that's the one
03:22<jm_>what does EPS mean in it?
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03:22<matt__>EFI System Partition
03:23<matt__>oh awit maybe you missed the beginning of the question
03:23<jm_>I would recommend creating a separate /home, and why no swap? it will work fine without /home too
03:23<matt__>the point is that i can't install debian at the moment, always get a "cant install grub" error
03:24<matt__>even when i choose the guided automatic partitioning
03:24<jm_>so debian is installed now, just grub is not there?
03:24<matt__>technically i suppose so
03:24<jm_>so what happens if you try and install it yourself by hand?
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03:25<matt__>after choosing "proceed without grub" i get a message "no bootloader installed", boot manually.. etc but I did not succeed in doing that
03:25<matt__>jm_: i don't know how to do that
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03:26<matt__>if i reboot at that point i get a grub prompt
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03:26<jm_>matt__: boot with debian install disc and choose rescue boot or whatever it's called to start with then tell me when you got root shell
03:26<matt__>ok
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03:27<matt__>i have to reinstall it as i tried other things in between
03:27<matt__>one question before i proceed
03:27<jm_>what other things? maybe there's no need to reinstall
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03:28<matt__>i installed windows first (which was delivered with the machine), and wanted to resize partition/install debian on the side
03:28<matt__>but the installer does not want to resize for unknown reason
03:29<jm_>so you still need to perform resizing step?
03:29<matt__>yes
03:29<matt__>at the moment i have full disk used by windows
03:29<matt__>and working properly
03:30<matt__>(i don't need to keep windows, i just thought it could help with the partitiong step)
03:30<matt__>(and thank you for your time, i appreciate it)
03:30<jm_>tried gparted live image?
03:31<matt__>that was going to be my next step before you answered
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03:31<matt__>do you think that's the best strategy? or easiest to just install debian on full disk, and reach the grub problem i had before?
03:31<jm_>well if you want to keep windows then yes
03:32<matt__>i don't need to keep windos
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03:32<jm_>then best to just reinstall debian I suppose, and if grub doesn't work we can try and help you with it
03:32<matt__>ok,
03:32<matt__>one question before i proceed
03:33<matt__>for the debian cd to boot, i have to disable secure boot in bios
03:33<matt__>i have also read about a bios grub-legacy option, is that something i need to change?
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03:34<matt__>"UEFI?legacy Boot"
03:35<matt__>either UEFI only, legacy only, or both
03:35<matt__>default is uefi only
03:35<jm_>yeah disabling secure boot is normal, there's a way to have it enabled too but it's more work; as for legacy, it means it won't boot in uefi mode, I did that at work when I couldn't get grub happy and needed the system for work
03:35<jm_>i would recommend leaving uefi enabled and try with that first
03:36<matt__>ok
03:36<matt__>i'll let you know when i'm back at the grub problem then
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03:49<matt__>here is what the partition looks like after guided - full disk https://framapic.org/xWfydS74uyNp/UqwszBeQoTvI.jpg
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03:50<jm_>looks OK but 30G for swap is overkill unless you have that much RAM and want to suspend to disk
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03:51<matt__>16G ram, that's the installer choice
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03:51<jm_>I would change swap size to 16G and use 20G for /
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03:51<matt__>noted
03:52<matt__>if we get it to work i'll re-do the whole process with different sizez
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04:19<matt__>jm_: so, the install went fine until "install the grub boot loader on a hard disk" step
04:20<matt__>the error message just says this step failed
04:20<jm_>matt__: what did you choose there?
04:20<matt__>using standard install i had nothing to choose
04:20<jm_>not even where to install it, MBR or partition?
04:20<matt__>nope
04:21<jm_>so you get no grub menu now if you reboot?
04:21<matt__>to finish the installation i can choose to continue without bootloader
04:21<jm_>yeah that's the last step (other than tasksel I suppose)
04:22<matt__>i get such a message https://framapic.org/gIE6oloaBLFv/IyN4sl7hV21x.jpg
04:23<jm_>yeah just go with continue
04:23<jm_>nvme, is this some pcie ssd?
04:24<matt__>yes
04:24<matt__>upon booting there is a message "start pxe over ipv4"
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04:24<matt__>which does not seem to do much
04:25<jm_>that's netboot, so try booting from install cd in rescue mode
04:25<matt__>ok
04:26<matt__>i'm back on the install cd
04:26<matt__>rescue mode
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04:28<matt__>i did the first few steps and i'm now back to configure the network
04:28<matt__>"no partitions found"
04:28<jm_>wait, it should boot into existing installation
04:28<jm_>if not we'll just work on tty2
04:29<matt__>if i wish, i may investigate this from a shell in the installer environment
04:29<jm_>yeah switch to tty2 and check what's mounted
04:29<matt__>how to access this?
04:29<jm_>alt-f2
04:29<matt__>the debian installer main menu is there
04:30<jm_>that's tty1, tty2 should be shell
04:30<jm_>try ctrl-alt-f2 (you need to press them together)
04:30<matt__>nothing
04:31<jm_>your screen doesn't change?
04:31<jm_>is this laptop perhaps?
04:31<matt__>ctrl alt f2 switches back between where i was (the error message) and the debian install menu
04:31<matt__>yes it is
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04:31<jm_>hmm try ctrl alt cursor right
04:31<matt__>lenovo x1 carbon (supposed to work fine from people's experience)
04:32<matt__>does not work either
04:33<matt__>there is a "execute a shell" option in the mnu though
04:33<jm_>try that
04:33<matt__>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=128212
04:33<matt__>i just found this thread also
04:33<jm_>yeah my first thought was maybe this is nvme related
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04:34<matt__>i'm in the shell
04:34<jm_>now check what's mounted (mount command)
04:34<matt__>rootfs on /
04:35<matt__>none on /run proc sys
04:36<jm_>do you see nvme mentioned anywhere? I assume it's not yet
04:37<matt__>no it's not there
04:37<jm_>so mkdir /tmp/d and now we need to mount it there, "cat /proc/partitions" to identify which one)
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04:38<matt__>the root partition?
04:39<matt__>#2 ? https://framapic.org/xWfydS74uyNp/UqwszBeQoTvI.jpg
04:40<jm_>yeah I just don't know what your device name will be, looking in there will reveal it
04:40<matt__>it's nvme0n1pX, i just wasn't sure what to use for X
04:41<jm_>yeah look there and you'll know since it lists size too
04:42<matt__>ok mount /dev/nvme0m1p2 /tmp/d then
04:42<jm_>yeah then «chroot /tmp/d»
04:42<matt__>ok
04:43<jm_>and in there «mount /proc ; mount /sys»
04:43<matt__>no problem there
04:43<jm_>now you also need to mount efi partition on /boot/efi
04:44<matt__>ok
04:44<jm_>should be /dev/nvme0m1p1
04:44<matt__>in chroot?
04:44<jm_>yeah all in chroot
04:45<matt__>nvme0m1p1 is write protected
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04:45<matt__>special device /dev/nvme0n1p1 does not exist
04:45<jm_>hmm that would explain why grub failed I suppose
04:46<jm_>m, not n
04:46<jm_>but confirm it's the right one by looking in /proc/partitions
04:46<matt__>it's n
04:47<jm_>why's / m then? mysterious naming scheme
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04:47<matt__>10:42 < matt__> ok mount /dev/nvme0m1p2 /tmp/d then
04:47<matt__>that was a typo
04:47<jm_>ahh :)
04:47<matt__>sorry
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04:48<matt__>well i can see why having that one write protected is a problem for debian installer
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04:48<matt__>but why it ended up write protected?
04:48<jm_>maybe try checking what kernel says (if anything), 'dmesg'
04:50<matt__>the last ones are "couldn't mount as ext3 due to featuer incompatibillities"
04:50<matt__>and a duplicate line with ext2
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04:50<jm_>wait, that one should be FAT not extX
04:50<matt__>and last line "mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. opts (null)"
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04:51<jm_>try umounting it and mount -t vfat /dev//dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot/efi
04:51<jm_>those messages are probably for other file systems
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04:52<jm_>gah, sorry, remove "/dev/" from that command
04:53<matt__>special device... does not exist
04:53<matt__>no message about write only this time though
04:53<matt__>and nothing new on dmesg
04:53<jm_>verify it's mounted with mount
04:53<matt__>it is
04:54<matt__>style none on /run
04:54<matt__>the rest seems reasonnable (/ /home /boot/efi dev proc sys ...)
04:54<jm_>I am asking about /boot/efi one
04:55<matt__>it is mounted
04:55<jm_>can you do touch /boot/efi/t
04:55<matt__>..1p1 on /boot/efi type vfat..
04:55<matt__>yes
04:55<jm_>ok now remove the file and try installing grub
04:56<matt__>how to install grub from that shell?
04:56<jm_>is nvme0 listed as the whole device in /proc/partitions?
04:56<matt__>yes
04:57<matt__>and i saw i can use apt-get to install grub
04:57<jm_>so /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0
04:57<matt__>grub-installnot found
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04:58<jm_>is grub not installed at all? dpkg -l|grep grub
04:58<matt__>nothing
04:58<jm_>bummer, so try installing it
04:59<matt__>there is a bunch of variants in apt-cache search grub
04:59<jm_>grub-efi is the package name
04:59<matt__>ok
05:00<matt__>"/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0" -> cannot find EFI directory
05:00<matt__>should it be nvme0n1p1?
05:00<jm_>i'll go to eat something now, be back in about 30 minutes
05:00<jm_>no we want to install it on MBR, that's why I asked what the designation for the entire device is
05:00<matt__>ok thanks for helping
05:01<jm_>it's the line without p1 p2 etc in /proc/partitions
05:01<matt__>enjoy your lunch
05:01<matt__>yes /dev/nvme0 is correct then
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05:01<jm_>ok thanks, we'll get back to it when I return
05:01<matt__>thank you
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05:34<matt__>welcome back
05:38<jm_>so that's the error you get now?
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05:39<matt__>11:00 < matt__> "/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0" -> cannot find EFI directory
05:40<CaBa>can one partition multiple harddrives with d-i preseed partman? without LVM?
05:41<musca>hello matt
05:41<matt__>hi musca
05:41<jm_>matt__: is that the error message reported?
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05:42<matt__>yes
05:42<matt__>"installing for x86_64-efi platform" also reported
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05:47<matt__>actually it was "/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0n1" (the first line in proc/partitions), but same error message
05:47<musca>you can use --efi-directory to specify the mountpoint of your ESP
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05:47<jm_>matt__: try mkdir /boot/efi/EFI
05:47<musca>in this case: --efi-directory /boot/efi
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05:48<jm_>it's complaining about missing /boot/efi/EFI if my understanding of grub-install.c is correct
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05:49<matt__>so the mkdir worked, but same error message from grub-install
05:50<matt__>adding --efi-directory leads to: "failed to get canonical path od /dev/nvme0n1p2" (which is my /)
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05:52<matt__>and ESP is correctly mounted on /boot/efi
05:52<matt__>ESP is nvme0n1p1
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06:00<jm_>matt__: then try doing it manually, see https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
06:00<user324243>Hi all, is there a known problem with linux-image-4.5.0 out out jessie-backports with cryptsetup? Booting the kernel, cryptsetup fails with "no key available"; I've made sure, that the entered passphrase is correct
06:00<jm_>from this point on Problem1: Weak EFI implementation only recognizes the fallback bootloader
06:00<matt__>jm_: ok
06:01<jm_>matt__: ahh no, it won't work, you are missing everything there
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06:03<matt__>(for info by the way, i had to move the laptop so i lost the connection in the process, but i'm still plugged in with ethernet so i hope it won't be too much trouble to get it back if we need it)
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06:06<jm_>matt__: you do use GPT right?
06:06<matt__>i did not have to choose this at any point in the installation
06:07<matt__>this is the outcome when i chose the guided partitioning https://framapic.org/xWfydS74uyNp/UqwszBeQoTvI.jpg
06:07<jm_>do you have gdisk installed?
06:08<matt__>yes
06:08<jm_>try gdisk -l
06:09<matt__>"problem opening -l for reading! error is 2" oO
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06:09<matt__>(i'm still in chroot)
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06:10<matt__>gdisk is version 0.8.10
06:10<jm_>gdisk -l /dev/nvme0"
06:10<jm_>without "
06:10<jm_>I am clueless about what should create /boot/efi/EFI and why is grub still complaining about it if you created it
06:11<matt__>"problem opening /dev/nvme0n1 for reading! error is 2"
06:11<matt__>i confirm that "ls /boot/efi" shows EFI
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06:11<jm_>where does nvme0n1 come from?
06:12<matt__>cat /proc/partitions
06:12<matt__>that seems to be the disk name
06:12<matt__>first line is nvme0n1, then nvme0n1p1, nvme0n1p2.. etc
06:14<jm_>and you also see it if you run "ls /sys/block ; ls /dev|grep nvme"
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06:15<matt__>yes for the first
06:15<matt__>no for the second
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06:16<matt__>though they do appear on "mount"
06:16<matt__>/dev/nvme0n1p1 on /boot/efi ...et
06:16<matt__>c
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06:17<jm_>ohh ffs, I forgot to tell you to bind mount /dev ...
06:17<jm_>outside of chroot: mount --bind /dev /target/dev
06:17<jm_>sorry
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06:18<matt__>/target/dev no such file or directory
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06:18<jm_> mount --bind /dev /tmp/d/dev
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06:19<matt__>makes sense
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06:19<matt__>sorry i'm a bit slow
06:19<matt__>it worked
06:19<jm_>now chroot again and try grub-install
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06:21<matt__>same error message
06:21<matt__>chroot /tmp/d
06:21<matt__>/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0n1
06:21<jm_>how about gdisk -l ... now?
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06:22<matt__>gpt present
06:22<matt__>found valid gpt with protective mbr; using gpt
06:22<jm_>ok so one thing ruled out then
06:22<matt__>and 4 partitions that look fine
06:22<matt__>#1 being EF00
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06:25<matt__>note that in /dev there is both nvme0 and nvme0n1 (and all the nvme0n1pX)
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06:27<jm_>I still don't get the "cannot find EFI directory" error
06:29<matt__>there is a directory called EFI in /boot/efi
06:29<matt__>owned by root
06:29<jm_>yeah if I understand grub code that's where it's looking for it
06:30<matt__>do you know why there is both nvme0 and nvme0nm1 in /dev?
06:30<jm_>but on the other hand, if grub-install is looking for it, what is supposed to create it ...
06:31<matt__>adding --efi-directory /boot/efi produces another error message
06:31<jm_>no, I am clueless about nvme & linux, was thinking of buying one last year for my new build, but a) the build did not happen yet, b) I assumed there will be some issues at the beginning so I wimped out and bought new sata ssd for old system
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06:32<jm_>does it show the same major/minor if you ls -l both?
06:32<matt__>i did my research before buying the laptop to avoid exactly this kind of problems (this particular series seem to behave fine with inlux)
06:32<matt__>but i failed apparently
06:33<jm_>it's more about nvme I believe which is still relatively rare
06:33<jm_>(your issues are)
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06:33<jm_>as a last resort you could try legacy only install
06:34<jm_>but long term fiddling with this in hope to get it working sounds like a better option
06:34<matt__>"the specified path is a character device" when gdisk -l /dev/nvme0
06:35<jm_>so we need to grub-install with nvme0nm1?
06:35<matt__>that's the one i've been grub-installing on
06:35<jm_>ls -l /dev|grep nvme look for the first letter
06:35<jm_>you want the one with 'b'
06:36<matt__>yep that's the nvme0n1
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06:37<matt__>adding the efi-directory /boot/efi option on grub-install leads to "/boot/efi does not look like an EFI parition"
06:37<jm_>how did you add it?
06:37<matt__>/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/nvme0n1 --efi-directory /boot/efi
06:38<matt__>(and i'm happy to fiddle as long as i get help, i would be totally clueless on my own.. though i'm learning a lot in the process)
06:38<jm_>hmm can't find that exact error message
06:39<jm_>ahh it says doesn't :)
06:39<matt__>"/boot/efi doesn't look like an EFI partition" is the typo-free version ;)
06:42<jm_>it's comparing fs name and reports that error if it's not "fat"
06:44<matt__>$ mount -t vfat /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot/efi
06:44<matt__>that's what we did earlier
06:44<jm_>so another mistake of me, try to umount it and mount it as fat
06:45<matt__>that was in chroot, right?
06:45<jm_>but then try install without --efi-dir... option firsdt
06:45<jm_>yeah
06:46<matt__>umount /boot/efi, right?
06:46<jm_>yes
06:46<matt__>/boot/efi: notmounted
06:46<matt__>but mount says it is
06:47<jm_>what if you try umount /dev/nvme0n1p1
06:48<matt__>same
06:48<matt__>/boot/efi: not mounted
06:48<jm_>it's because of our bind mount, exit chroot, umount the bind mount then check mount again
06:49<jm_>but how did you mount /boot/efi if there was no /dev before?
06:50<matt__>$ mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot/efi (with the error message that it was write protected)
06:50<matt__>then $ mount -t vfat /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot/efi
06:50<jm_>yeah but at that point /dev did not have nvme stuff since later on gdisk failed, kinda curious
06:51<matt__>"umount the bind mount" == umount /dev ?
06:51<jm_>outside of chroot: umount /tmp/d/dev
06:52<matt__>ok then check mount again in chroot?
06:52<jm_>you can do it outside too
06:52<matt__>none on /run proc sys
06:53<jm_>look for efi one
06:53<matt__>not there
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06:53<matt__>only /dev/nvme0n1p2 on /tmp/d left
06:53<matt__>(fromt he nvme ones)
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06:54<jm_>ok so now bind mount /dev again and then in chroot mount /sys and /proc and efi as -t fat, then look with mount if they are all mounted OK
06:54<matt__>ok
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06:55<jm_>btw which nvme drive is it?
06:56<matt__>i have the name only in japanese here, i'll have to check
06:57<matt__>so proc and sys are already mounted
06:57<matt__>when mount i see them twice
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06:57<matt__>proc on /proc
06:57<matt__>and sysfs on /sys
06:57<matt__>/dev/nvme0n1p1 is already on /boot/efi
06:57<matt__>without me doing anything since i chroot-ed again
06:58<jm_>but nw you can't umount it right?
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06:59<matt__>same as before "umount /boot/efi" -> /boot/efi: not mounted
06:59<jm_>ok umount /sys and /proc, excit chroot, umount bind mount, chroot again and try umointing /boot/efi
07:00<matt__>i could do umount /sys once without error
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07:00<matt__>but it still appears in mount
07:00<jm_>try it again
07:01<matt__>a second umount /sys leads to "/sys: not mounted"
07:01<matt__>even though "mount" has a line "sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
07:01<matt__>(/proc is the same)
07:02<jm_>does 'cat '/proc/mounts' also show that?
07:02<matt__>cat /proc/mounts => no such file or directory
07:03<jm_>yeah since you umounted /proc I guess, try exiting from chroot and do it there
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07:04<matt__>outside of chroot is fine (none on /proc /sys)
07:04<matt__>umount bind mount, chroot again and try umointing /boot/efi
07:04<matt__>i'll do tihs now
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07:05<matt__>same as before
07:05<matt__>and proc on /proc still there when mount in chroot
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07:07<jm_>maybe reboot and let's go with a clean state
07:08<matt__>alright
07:08<matt__>reboot and boot from install cd it is then
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07:09<matt__>rescue again?
07:09<jm_>well doesn't matter what you choose as long as you can get shell
07:11<matt__>ok back in shell
07:11<jm_>then mkdir /tmp/d; mount your / on /tmp/d and bind mount /dev /proc and /sys in /tmp/d/{...}
07:11<jm_>then verify with mount if all is OK
07:13<matt__>all 3 mounts with "mount --bind XXX /tmp/d/XXX" ?
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07:14<jm_>yeah /XXX
07:14<matt__>ok donc
07:14<jm_>so mount confirms all is OK?
07:14<matt__>none on /proc and none on /tmp/d/proc
07:14<matt__>(same for sys)
07:15<matt__>/dev/nvme0n1p2 on /tmp/d is fine though
07:15<jm_>so now chroot and mount /boot/efi
07:15<matt__>no bind for that one?
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07:16<jm_>no bind - bind means mount something that's already mounted elsewhere, this one is not yet mounted
07:16<matt__>ok
07:16<matt__>done and confirmed on mount
07:16<matt__>type vfat though
07:16<matt__>and again it's duplicated
07:17<jm_>why not fat?
07:17<matt__>no idea, i just used "mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot/efi"
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07:17<jm_>what does grub-install say now?
07:18<matt__>adn the 2 lines in mount with /boot/efi, one says only (rw) at the end, the other (rw+a bunch of other params)
07:18<matt__>ah!
07:18<matt__>no error reported
07:19<matt__>(for grub install)
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07:19<jm_>do you also have /boot/grub/grub.cfg file? what does find /boot/efi show? any files in EFI dir?
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07:20<matt__>no grub.cfg, but folder not empty
07:20<matt__>find boot/efi shos EFI, EFI/debian, EFI/debian/grubx64.efi
07:20<jm_>also run update-grub
07:21<matt__>ran fine
07:21<jm_>created grub.cfg?
07:21<matt__>finished with adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware
07:21<matt__>yes
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07:22<jm_>now umount /boot/efi; exit chroot, umount all bind mounts and then /tmp/d
07:23<matt__>"and then /tmp/d" so unmount tmp/d too?
07:24<jm_>yes
07:24<matt__>ok done
07:24<jm_>try rebooting
07:25<musca>wow, 4 hours! You, Sirs, are decent geeks.
07:26<matt__>well jm_ is persistent (and i can't thank him enough)
07:26<matt__>rebooting worked!
07:26<matt__>i am now officially logged in!
07:26<matt__>\o/
07:27<jm_>cool
07:27<matt__>i hope i'll be able to be useful to the community as well with time...
07:27<matt__>thank you *very* much for your time jm_
07:27<matt__>is there somewhere where i should document this?
07:27<matt__>i took notes along the way
07:27<matt__>though i'm not sure i understand every step
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07:28<jm_>it's not really anything special appart from non-standard device names
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07:28<jm_>and no worries
07:28<matt__>did you understand why the main debian installer did not work from scratch then?
07:29<matt__>i initially said i would re-do the install when we fixed the issue to resize swap and / but i am slightly afraid now ;)
07:29<jm_>no, I think it's best to talk to someone from the d-i team about it, try asking in #debian-boot
07:29<jm_>my wild guess would be it doesn't understand /dev/nvme stuff
07:30<jm_>but that's only an uneducated guess
07:30<matt__>ok
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07:30<jm_>you could document it on the debian wiki though
07:31<matt__>and i'll check the other guy's forum thread too, he seemed to have the same problem (and the same machine) as i have
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07:32<devnull>Hello. I am using debian 8.4 with gnome 3.14. Can someone help me on how to install gnome 3.18?
07:32<devnull>I don't want to use debian testing
07:33<devnull>Just replace my current desktop
07:33<jm_>there is no gnome 3.18 for jessie
07:33<devnull>Do you know if they gonna release it for Jessie?
07:34<jm_>unlikely
07:34<devnull>Kali linux uses it though
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07:35<jm_>yeah it will arrive in debian too one day :)
07:36<devnull>Ah one day :p
07:36<devnull>OK thanks man
07:36<matt__>ok i'm out of here, thanks again jm_ and have a good day everyone o/
07:37<musca>devnull: are you talking about the rolling release edition of kali linux?
07:37<devnull>Yes the rolling has 3.18
07:37<musca>and you want rolling but not testing?
07:37<devnull>No. I want the stable Jessie I have now but replace the gnome with 3.18
07:38<devnull>But jm_ said there is no 3.18 gnome for jessie
07:38<musca>yes.
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07:39<devnull>So I am stuck with 3.14
07:39<musca>yes
07:39<devnull>Great
07:40<devnull>Ok that's all I needed to know. Thanks musca and jm_
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10:10<diefi>I'm trying to get a package from testing on jessi, I'm following the ssb guide from dpkg, but it suggests to add sources from sid. Do I have to do that even through I only want to mix with stretch?
10:11<sney>diefi: you can deb-src stretch instead
10:11<sney>judd's checkbackport script takes --fromrelease and --torelease arguments as well
10:11<sney>the ssb factoid just explains the general process, you can use it for backporting (or front-porting?) from basically anywhere that offers a deb-src, as long as dependencies are met
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10:21<diefi>an other quick question. You need all the source files to build the package from scratch. Is there a way to remove the packages that aren't needed after compiling a running version anymore?
10:21<user789>Hello! May anysoul to explain me how to boot with grub on second hdd from first& I'm using LVMed rott on LUKS, and haven't access to cmos...
10:22<user789>I'd mean "LVMed root".
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10:29<diefi>wow I rebuild the stable package following the guide...
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10:31<musca>user789: Maybe you can boot from a removable device?
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10:35<user789>No. I have bad Grub 2.02 on the first hdd, and good (working at another computer) on the second. I'l try using flash again later.
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11:22<diefi>is there a more extended explanation of how to mix debian releases than dpkgs ssb?
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11:23<diefi>for example where do i specify which version to build? It doesn't accept vlc2.2.3 or vlc 2.2.3
11:23<retrospectacus>!tell diefi about tum
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11:24<retrospectacus>diefi: "tum" is how to mix releases. ssb is backporting packages to stable
11:26<retrospectacus>diefi: I think in the last two commands of step 3 in <ssb> you could use syntax "vlc=2.2.3"
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11:27<diefi>retrospectacus: just so i understand it correct the thing that dpkg tells me for ssb, is how to get the source of the testing version, and to rebuild it in the current stable? Is it correct?
11:27<retrospectacus>everything except "testing". The instructions get you the sid version
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11:29<diefi>retrospectacus: i modified the sources to stretch instead of sid
11:29<retrospectacus>I hope you mean "added a deb-src line for" and not "modified the sources to"
11:29<diefi>retrospectacus: for example this command: "aptitude install build-essential" does it get the build-essential for the testing, or for stable without additional commands/modification of apt sources.list
11:30<diefi>yes I modified dpkgs suggestion :)
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11:30<retrospectacus>it just installs some build tools (stable version)
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11:32<diefi>do i need to get the testing build-essential for building testing packages or do I have to use the stable build-essential pack?
11:32<retrospectacus>stable
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11:35<retrospectacus>that's what makes it a backport :)
11:36<diefi>retrospectacus: I assumed as much, but thought I might as well just ask :P
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11:38<diefi>retrospectacus: so the next command: "aptitude build-dep packagename" this is where I have to get the package from testing. I assume.
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11:41<retrospectacus>it should do that automatically
11:41<retrospectacus>but it will fail
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11:42<diefi>retrospectacus: so how do I make it work? Adding "-t stretch" doesn't work, it tells me.E: The value 'stretch' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
11:42<retrospectacus>you can't. VLC can't be backported
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11:43<diefi>retrospectacus: than whats the point of ssb?
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11:44<retrospectacus>the point? It's to backport packages! But you can't just backport anything and everything like magic
11:44<diefi>!tell retrospectacus about ssb
11:44<diefi>First line: First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. ****If unavailable******
11:45<diefi>So my usumption is, all the steps is to make one yourself
11:45<retrospectacus>your assumption seems to be that it will work for any package
11:46<retrospectacus>there are lots that it will not work on.
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11:46<retrospectacus>vlc from stretch happens to be built by tools or have features or whatever that makes it so simply cannot be done on stable
11:47<diefi>ok, back to the build-essentials. Do I have to get the essentials of stretch in that case?
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11:49<retrospectacus>well, something like that might work but you'd be severely clobbering your system, you'd be much better off just upgrading wholly to stretch
11:49<retrospectacus>,checkbackport vlc
11:49<judd>Backporting package vlc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.20151219).
11:49<retrospectacus>,checkbackport debhelper
11:49<judd>Backporting package debhelper in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.18.0~).
11:49<retrospectacus>you can't upgrade or backport that stuff and still think you're running stable
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11:51<retrospectacus>diefi: why do you want that version of vlc?
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11:52<diefi>I have problems playing m3u8 playlists. More specificly I have problems with VLC closing after playing m3u8 playlists
11:52<diefi>process remains "sleeping" with allocated memory etc
11:53<diefi>even worse closing vlc before it completely loaded up the playlist causes it to eat up more and more memory in the background.
11:53<retrospectacus>you've found a bug report and it's fixed in 2.2.3?
11:54<diefi>retrospectacus: I just wanted to test with newer version
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11:54<diefi>retrospectacus: And learn a little bit about backporting in the process
11:55<retrospectacus>well, you learned a bunch
11:56<retrospectacus>the solution is to use a VM or live boot something to try the newer version
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12:00<diefi>retrospectacus: to complete my lesson I need a little help explaining the last step "4) install the resultant debs"
12:01<diefi>retrospectacus: this is the output after the build was complete. http://paste.debian.net/683748/
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12:02<retrospectacus>so it has created like 15 .deb files in the current directory. You are supposed to install them
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12:03<retrospectacus>you should have done this in a better location than your home directory
12:03<diefi>basiclly apt-get install "/home/diefi/vlc_2.2.1-1~deb8u1_amd64.deb"
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12:04<retrospectacus>no. dpkg -i <all of the deb files>
12:05<diefi>I did what was told in the dpkg message, It didn't tell me where to define a location for the packages. I assumed there would be one created in standard folder for builds or something.
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12:06<jmcnaught>diefi: it looks to me like you recompiled the version of VLC that's already available in jessie
12:06<diefi>"dpkg -i /home/diefi/" ? Lets say I move those files to /vlc/ would "dpkg -i /home/diefi/vlc" suffice?
12:06<retrospectacus>there are probably more verbose instructions somewhere. Unfortunately dpkg's factoids have a limited length
12:06<diefi>jmcnaught: I already figured as much
12:07<retrospectacus>diefi: no. dpkg -i vlc/*.deb
12:08<diefi>what about the useless dependencies that can be avoided?
12:08<jmcnaught>https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation this is a little more detailed
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12:08<retrospectacus>this is definitely an academic exercise - you're not installing anything that couldn't be done with "apt-get"
12:08<retrospectacus>diefi: no. ignore the build output unless it fails
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12:09<diefi>ok
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12:13<diefi>retrospectacus: so how can I see beforehand if a backport build is possible?
12:13<retrospectacus>you ask the judd robot here :)
12:13<retrospectacus>judd: checkbackport
12:13<judd>(checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used.
12:14<retrospectacus>well, preferably in a private message. Not here
12:14<R4F_Debian>Hi all, How to disable ipv6 in Debian Jessie ? I'm having problems with this protocol, my network connection is much slower than before because of that: http://paste.debian.net/683749/
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12:14<retrospectacus>!noipv6
12:14<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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12:26<r4fkramer_>Hi all, I'm trying to disable ipv6 here without solution. As result, my update process through 'apt-get update' is too slow: Fetched 731 kB in 2min 6s (5,798 B/s)
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12:29<r4fkramer_>That's the issue I'm facing and trying to solve: the first line takes 2min and 6s for only 731 KB fetching - before it took some few seconds: http://paste.debian.net/683752/
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12:32<necron>hola
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12:32<necron>hola como estan?
12:33<jmcnaught>r4fkramer_: did you try the suggestion from dpkg's <noipv6> factoid above?
12:33<jmcnaught>!es
12:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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12:34<r4fkramer_>Hi jmcnaught, there was no dpkg message for me
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12:35<jmcnaught>!noipv6
12:35<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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12:36<jmcnaught>so you could test that first by editing the kernel command line from the grub boot menu
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12:36<jmcnaught>however it might be better to try and make ipv6 work properly, since more and more sites will be using it going forward
12:36<r4fkramer_>jmcnaught, I tried a procedure here I read in an internet article, and because of that, my /etc/sysctl.conf is now empty (there was a lot of information before). What shall I do in this case, reformatting the whole system ?
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12:39<r4fkramer_>jmcnaught, please, see the procedures I've adopted and as result, my /etc/sysctl.conf is now empty: http://paste.debian.net/683754/
12:40<blast007>r4fkramer_: you could grab the procps package (which provides that file) and rip the sysctl.conf file out of there ( click on your architecture at the bottom: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/procps )
12:42<blast007>though actually, I don't know if there's anything defined in there by default.. mine is just all comments
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12:42<jmcnaught>!confnew
12:42<dpkg>[confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
12:43<jmcnaught>r4fkramer_: you could use either the apt-get or aptitude command ^^ on the procps package to get back to default sysctl.conf.
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12:44<r4fkramer_>how do I do it, jmcnaught, please ?
12:44<r4fkramer_>trying to understand the information you've passed me here, blast007
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12:45<jmcnaught>r4fkramer_: if your goal is to restore default configuration files for the procps package (which includes /etc/sysctl.conf), you would use a command like "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall procps"
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12:46<enano>hola
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12:47<r4fkramer_>jmcnaught, is that the command, exactly like that ? aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew"
12:47<enano>hola
12:47<Arnaud>hello all :-)
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12:47<r4fkramer_>enano, english please
12:47<r4fkramer_>Hi Arnaud
12:47<Arnaud>I need a little help please: - / Raspbian to deport a file system on an NFS server, but I do not keep files attributes :-( (sorry for my english :-) )
12:47<enano>hablas espanol
12:48<r4fkramer_>enano, in this channel, Debian Support is provided by english language, not spanish
12:48<blast007>!raspbian
12:48<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
12:48<blast007>!es
12:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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12:48<enano>hello
12:48<Arnaud>dpkg, my server NFS is a debian
12:48<dpkg>Arnaud: okay
12:48<enano>hola
12:50<blast007>r4fkramer_: I'd recommend installing etckeeper and setting that up. It lets you keep version history for all your files in /etc, so you can easily roll back changes or see what was changed/added/removed. It automatically commits changes when you install software, and you can manually commit changes that you make yourself (which can include comments about why you changed it, etc)
12:51<enano>hola
12:51<blast007>enano: do you need help with something?
12:52<enano>no hablas espanol
12:52<jmcnaught>dpkg: forget my server NFS
12:52<dpkg>i forgot my server nfs, jmcnaught
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12:53<enano>holaa
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12:53<ceibal>hola
12:53<enano>hola
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12:53<ceibal>hola
12:53<enano>hola
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12:54<enano>holaaa
12:54<enano>hola
12:55<r4fkramer_>blast007, do I have to install etckeeper through 'apt-get install' ?
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12:55<enano>hello
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12:56<r4fkramer_>enano, Please, respect the rules from this channel. I've already told you just to use english language here, not spanish
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12:57<enano>hola
12:58<retrospectacus>English.
12:58<r4fkramer_>enano, you are disturbing Debian Support with such actitude. People here are worried about their Debian issues, and you are not respecting anyone acting like that
12:59<retrospectacus>!es-social
12:59<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:59<enano>hola ceibal
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13:00<enano>hhola
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13:07<blast007>r4fkramer_: yeah
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13:08<blast007>it requires some setup after installation, but I think they tell you how either in the man page or some other documentation file
13:08<blast007>ah, seems like it also has a daily autocommit
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13:09<r4fkramer_>blast007, I've installed etckeeper here
13:09<blast007>and it automatically saves changes prior to an apt run (as well as after), so it's clear what changes were made by packages being installed
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13:10<r4fkramer_>I see, well, I will read about it so in the etckeeper in man pages, thanks for Help, blast007, nice to see you here !
13:10<r4fkramer_>Thanks for attention and Great Support as always, jmcnaught. Glad to see you again here !
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13:14<r4fkramer_>Bye all !
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13:19<barteks2x>What the hell is wrong with my system? Mousepad doesn't update window content as I type
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13:19<barteks2x>Only when I scroll
13:20<barteks2x>As always things started working when I asked for help
13:21<blast007>the computer knows when you're talking about it ;)
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13:21<barteks2x>I still have a problem that resizing some windows dooesn't update their content when resizing
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13:23<barteks2x>I tried with and without compositing, with compositing enabled it's a bit better - it starts updating widnow content when I resize by large enough size
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13:36<barteks2x>Why mousepad doesn't warn me when it doesn't load the whole file?
13:38<barteks2x>oh, wait. Tbe log file contains a bunch of nul characters. Why mousepad stops at these?
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13:51<nezZario>Eh
13:51<nezZario>I can't get /etc/update-motd.d to work as described in https://wiki.debian.org/motd
13:51<nezZario>I did everything there line for line but just doesn't work ..
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14:05<nezZario>No idea what I did
14:05<nezZario>But it works now
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14:15<barteks2x>How can I (safely) install ubuntu-only package on debian?
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14:15<barteks2x>Specifically I want to install jasmin
14:16<barteks2x>nevermind
14:16<barteks2x>found it in debian repository
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14:23<anonymous>hola
14:24<anonymous>hello
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14:32<user_>how do you fix libreoffice looking like win 95?
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14:34<hardcore>how do i install nvidia-drivers corectly without a blank screen?? (using ubuntu and linux-mint it works very well)
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14:35<hardcore>lspci: 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
14:36<diefi>hardcore: did you read this? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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14:37<user_>the live iso displays it correctly, yet when installed through net install it looks like win 95
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14:54<tim_>hi
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14:55<tim_>jelly
14:55<tim_>why did you ban me with reason bored? (just a question)
14:55<tim_>dont ban me again plz
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14:58<Shentino>...if you were banned why are you back here?
14:59<tim_>can someone unban me on #debian on freenode because the reason was: (bored)
14:59<Shentino>...
14:59<tim_>I am banned on freenode
14:59<tim_>freenode #debian
15:00<mtn>tim_: I imagine the ban is not permanent. try again tomorrow
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15:00<tim_>but nobody will help me :-(
15:00-!-mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ
15:00-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@54192BA7.cm-5-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] by jelly
15:00-!-mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ
15:00<jelly>/cs op
15:00-!-mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ
15:00-!-tim_ was kicked from #debian by jelly [tim_]
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15:01<Shentino>And that's the end of it
15:01<jelly>these scripts don't work too well on oftc's ircd.
15:01<Shentino>I'm guessing he's now permabanned in both places?
15:01<jelly>no, you have to be really insistent to get a perma- anything
15:02<Shentino>So I'm guessing his ban here was for off-topic bitching about his freenode ban
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15:06<jelly>Shentino: PM.
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15:56<KaiserAres>anyone got a guide to installing debian with fulldiskencryption
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15:59<jmcnaught>KaiserAres: this topic is covered in the Debian installation guide, and it's also one of the "guided partitioning" options
15:59<KaiserAres>cheers
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16:05<q__>hi!
16:06<anonymous>hello
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16:09<q__>i'm disappointed with linux after it can't change refresh rate of crt, now i'm going install windows on my home pc, was using linux since 2006 year(
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16:10<blast007>well, if he had answered our questions when we asked them, he might have got that working
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16:10<blast007>iirc, someone asked what GPU he had, and he never answered. X was using the 'vesa' driver.
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17:14<wCPO>Can apt return both a error and a warning at the same time?
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17:14<wCPO>apt-get*
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18:20<Oak_>h
18:20<Oak_>Can I ask a question?
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18:24<jmcnaught>Oak_: yes
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18:43<TheNewGuy>I'm Oak_
18:43<TheNewGuy>Here's the question
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18:45<TheNewGuy>I just got a Debian VPS. I'm trying to setup an MTA. I setup postfix. It's partially working. So here's my goal: I need to be able to send an email from my VPS (mail() command) to a gmail account.
18:45<TheNewGuy>Last time I made it with exim4.
18:45<TheNewGuy>Could someone walk me through the configs? :/
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18:46<TheNewGuy>Since I won't receive any mail, no need for MX records. I really just need to be able to send an email (from root@mydomain.com) to a gmail account,
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18:55<TheNewGuy>I feel like this would probably do it:
18:55<TheNewGuy>https://www.linode.com/docs/email/exim/sendonly-mail-server-with-exim-on-debian-6-squeeze
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19:06<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: there is an overview of setting this up here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_configuration_of_postfix_with_sasl and you may also want to look at http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client (this example is missing the authentication bits which is covered here: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl)
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19:10<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: there are other options on Debian too if you only need to be able to send. "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent" will show a list of packages that provide the mail-transport-agent virtual package.. take a look at msmtp-mta, nullmailer, ssmtp for example
19:10<TheNewGuy>Any preference on the simplest one? Or do they all require pretty much the same thing?
19:11<jmcnaught>the simpler ones i mentioned above don't run a daemon, but i still like using postfix for this. dpkg-reconfigure postfix gets you most of the way there
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19:12<TheNewGuy>Ok, lemme try that
19:14<TheNewGuy>Internet Site?
19:14<mdlpe>hi, where to wright the apt preferences file : /etc/apt or /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
19:14<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: see the instructions in the debian-reference link above
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19:15<TheNewGuy>Ok
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19:16<jrtc27>mdlpe: either /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/$name.pref (can omit the pref if you really want so long as $name has no extension)
19:16<jrtc27>I would recommend you do the latter and give it a sensible name
19:16<jmcnaught>mdlpe: those .d directories are handy becaue they allow you to put fragments in individual files that are combined by the program using them
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19:16<jrtc27>then if you have multiple .pref files it's easy to see what each one is for
19:17<TheNewGuy>What's the difference with having a smarthost or not?
19:18<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: smarthost means the server that send the mail for you
19:18<mdlpe>oups, I only want to add backport on my Jessie but giving to the backport low priority for apt
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19:18<TheNewGuy>How is it possible without it? (E.g. Internet Site)
19:19<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: "internet site" means that this server will send mail on its own instead of relaying through a different mail server. It might work for you, but generally there's a few more things you need to setup for major mail providers to accept mail from your server
19:19<jmcnaught>like reverse DNS PTR record, SPF, DKIM
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19:20<TheNewGuy>So with smarthost is a must, otherwise my mail provider won't accept the mails?
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19:22<jmcnaught>if you have a mail provider (for example mail is included with your shared hosting account or DNS registration), then using that as a smarthost/relay will make it a lot easier to get your mail delivered than having it delivered directly from your server (which is what internet site configures)
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19:24<TheNewGuy>Ok... but is it a must for gmail? (I don't have a mail provider with my hosting plan so that doesn't apply)
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19:24<jmcnaught>i'm not sure if gmail can be used to send mail for any domain (with a free account at least)
19:25<TheNewGuy>Not to send, to receive.
19:25<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: there's also this wiki page for Exim4 and Gmail: https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4
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19:26<TheNewGuy>Yeah I'm currently reading it
19:26<TheNewGuy>Also, since my domain is with a registrar different than my VPS hoster, I'm still in the 24-48hours of waiting time for my DNS to point to my new nameservers and... it might be unrelated, but my FQDN is mydomain.mydomain
19:26<TheNewGuy>Is that usual?
19:28<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy: your VPS hoster provides your IP address, and therefore are the ones that will need to set the reverse DNS PTR record. your FQDN should be someting like hostname.example.com
19:29<TheNewGuy>What's a reverse DNS PTR record
19:29<TheNewGuy>Wait dont answer
19:29<TheNewGuy>Ill google
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19:30<jrtc27>TheNewGuy: reverse DNS maps an IP address to a host name
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19:31<TheNewGuy>and adds credibility to it
19:31<jrtc27>exactly
19:31<TheNewGuy>But that doesn't resolve my FQDN issue
19:31<TheNewGuy>Why do, when I do hostname -f
19:31<TheNewGuy>I get mydomain.mydomain
19:32<jrtc27>hostnamectl?
19:32<jrtc27>just change it to mydomain
19:32<jrtc27>or $name.mydomain
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19:36<TheNewGuy>http://pastie.org/private/xtscn9krhma262rmwyvczg
19:37<jrtc27>what's it meant to be?
19:37<TheNewGuy>No idea... I was just asking if it's normal
19:37<TheNewGuy>I assume it SHOULD be something like
19:38<TheNewGuy>xxxx.mydomain.xxx
19:38<TheNewGuy>Will everything work even if it's mydomain.mydomain?
19:38<jrtc27>what *is* your domain though?
19:38<TheNewGuy>accesd-client.ca
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19:40<jrtc27>hostnamectl set-hostname accesd-client.ca
19:41<jrtc27>then edit /etc/hosts to reflect the new name
19:42<jrtc27>(the 127.0.1.1 line should be 127.0.1.1 accesd-client.ca accesd-client)
19:42<jrtc27>anyway I'm off, so ask someone else if you have any more questions :)
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20:00<mdlpe>thanks for the help, bye
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20:01<TheNewGuy>Thanks!
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20:07<matt__>hello, i'm trying to get wireless working on my laptop (Intel Corporation Wireless 8260)
20:08<matt__>following guides, i installed firmware-iwlwifi from non-free
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20:08<matt__>then modprobe iwlwifi, without error message
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20:09<matt__>but iwconfig just shows eth0 and lo (no wireless extension) for nw
20:09<sney>ifconfig wlan0 up?
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20:10<matt__>no such device
20:10<sney>is the wifi hardware disabled, like via a switch or acpi hotkey?
20:11<matt__>ow can i check that?
20:11<matt__>so physically the answer is no
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20:17<matt__>lsmod does not have iwlwifi in it
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20:20<matt__>i have tis in lsmod now
20:20<matt__>iwlwifi 96547 0
20:20<matt__>cfg80211 405538 1 iwlwifi
20:20<matt__>but still nothing in iwconfig
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20:21<jmcnaught>matt__: according to https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi support for this card was added in linux 4.1. I don't know if the driver was backported to the stock jessie kernel (3.16) but you may need to install a newer kernel from jessie-backports
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20:23<jmcnaught>!bdo kernel
20:23<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
20:23<matt__>ah good catch, i saw it was supported on another website, but there was no mention of kernel
20:23<jmcnaught>there's also a newer firmware package in jessie-backports: firmware-misc-nonfree
20:23<matt__>ok thank you i'll investigate this
20:25<jmcnaught>oh wait, never mind about the firmware package, but you will probably want the newer firmware-iwlwifi from jessie-backports
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20:32<matt__>(i'm trying to find how to compare my version, and the version from different trees)
20:33<matt__>apt-cache policy, found it! :)
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20:48<matt__>hm. after upgrading the kernel image, reboot does proceed as planned
20:48<matt__>"gave up waiting for root device"
20:48<matt__>i am on a (initramfs) prompt
20:49<matt__>there was an alert /dev/disk/by-uuid/<...> does not exist
20:49<matt__>and modprobe ehci-orion not found in modules.dep
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20:54<jmcnaught>matt__: are you still able to select the old kernel from the grub boot menu?
20:54<matt__>there was only one line
20:56<matt__>only one generic kernel line, then advances options and system setup
20:57<Arcade>does anyone know if gnome boxes by default comes with usb support on Jessie?
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20:59<jmcnaught>matt__: did you remove the old kernel when you installed the new one?
21:00<jmcnaught>Arcade: are you talking about the application "gnome boxes" or are you using "boxes" as slang for "computer system"?
21:01<Arcade>application "gnome boxes"
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21:01<matt__>i followed the bot instructions up there
21:02<matt__>"aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64"
21:02<jmcnaught>matt__: did aptitude say it was removing any packages?
21:03<matt__>i remember seeing a few new ones installed, and linux-image upgraded
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21:03<matt__>don't remember anything about removing
21:03<matt__>but i'm not sure what upgraded does exactly
21:04<jmcnaught>Arcade: i don't use it, but i think that feature was added before jessie
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21:04<TheNewGuy_>Quick question: (Also thanks for the other answers)
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21:05<TheNewGuy_>http://pastie.org/private/pbdok3fnc6uta6fumtqrtq
21:05<TheNewGuy_>Can someone explain this to me with english terms?
21:06<jmcnaught>matt__: that command should simply install a new linux-image-4.5.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 package and leave the stock linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 package there so that both are options in the grub menu. i don't see the grub menu very often, was there an advanced sub menu?
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21:06<matt__>yes i can edit the boot command
21:07<matt__>or take control at the grub pompt directly
21:07<Arcade>only see CDROM device jmcnaught I will look further
21:07<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: this question is asking you for the address of the server your server will relay mail to, and it is saying if anything other than default port 25 is used you must use two colons
21:08<TheNewGuy_>So I do a lookup for, exemple, google's MX records?
21:09<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: here you would use the same information that you would use for outgoing mail settings in a mail client like Thunderbird
21:10<TheNewGuy_>Ok... still not sure I understand. Is this where I put the information of the mail provider I will send the emails to (E.g. gmail)?
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21:12<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: you're basically configuring the MTA on your server to act like a client with gmail (which will send the messages on behalf of your server)
21:12<matt__>jmcnaught: so i should be able to replace "4.5.0-0.bpo.1" by "3.16.0-4" in the boot command to boot back on the previous image?
21:12<TheNewGuy_>okok
21:13<TheNewGuy_>I understand that last piece, I still don't get what would be the answer?
21:16<TheNewGuy_>I'm looking at pictures of outgoing mail server settings and I still don't get it.
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21:16<TheNewGuy_>Am I just retarded?
21:17<Devastator_>jmcnaught so you are here too :) anyway, just to say thank you and I think I've solved my problems, I've deleted VM's LV and created a new one, then netinst worked smoothly
21:20<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: you'd need to check the gmail help pages. Whatever "smtp.gmail.com" you would use to configure outgoing mail in a mail client like Thunderbird or Evolution is what you'd be using here (gmail might want you to use a specific one for this purpose, you'll need to check their help/support pages)
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21:20<jmcnaught>Devastator_: cool. simply removing and recreating the LV fixed the issue? that's strange
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21:21<TheNewGuy_>Ok, so I do need to do an MX record lookup?
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21:21<TheNewGuy_>Cool, I'll try with tutanota.
21:21<jmcnaught>matt__: i'm installing a backports kernel in a VM to see what happens. so far aptitude didn't remove the old kernel
21:22<Devastator_>jmcnaught I think I've created it at some point with a newer kernel (from backports), anyway, it's running fine now hehe
21:22<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: have you ever configured a desktop mail client?
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21:22<TheNewGuy_>Never. lol
21:22<TheNewGuy_>Well
21:22<TheNewGuy_>Thunderbird, with my gmail, but it wasn't that complicated. I think there was an option where you would just select your email provider
21:22<TheNewGuy_>or it would do it auto
21:24<jmcnaught>matt__: yeah, so on grub menu go to "advanced" and it should list the old 3.16 kernel there
21:25<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: you probably just need to use the same settings you have setup for outgoing mail in thunderbird, but you should refer to gmail help/support to make sure that you can still use a gmail account to send emails for other domains
21:25<matt__>yes i successfuly booted by rewriting the boot command with 3.16.0-4
21:25<TheNewGuy_>Its working, I just needed to add the MX record's IP from my provider.
21:25<TheNewGuy_>Its working with tutanota right now
21:26<jmcnaught>matt__: oh.. well all i did was go to "advanced options for ..." and select the older one
21:27<matt__>i see that now
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21:27<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: MX records? your provider? who is receiving email for your domain, and why can't they send the email too?
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21:28<matt__>any idea about what went wrong with the new image? maybe link to the partitioning problems from yesterday
21:28<matt__>"alert /dev/disk/by-uuid/<...> does not exist"
21:28<jmcnaught>Devastator_: well that's good to hear :)
21:28<matt__>and modprobe ehci-orion not found in modules.dep
21:29<jmcnaught>matt__: were there errors installing the new kernel?
21:29<matt__>no, no errors during the install
21:29<matt__>just on reboot, "gave up waiting for root device" and then the 2 ones i just mentioned
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21:29<matt__>i'm booting recovery mode with the new image now to see if there is more info
21:29<TheNewGuy_>jmcnaught: It's notifications. I just need my VPS to be able to send an email from root@mydomain.com
21:30<TheNewGuy_>It'll only be to one email
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21:30<TheNewGuy_>but Some odd things just happened, lemme paste it for you
21:30<TheNewGuy_>http://pastie.org/private/yryhsjcqbw66czz9gyqnq
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21:31<matt__>same thing from recovery mode, i end up in an (initramfs) prompt after seeing the 2 error messages as before
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21:32<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: hard to say from that paste. you can use "-l" to show in full, and maybe http://paste.debian.net/ instead because pastie seems to be mangling the lines
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21:33<jmcnaught>matt__: sorry i don't know. you can boot back into the old kernel and remove the backports kernel for now
21:34<TheNewGuy_>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/13d9a1b3/
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21:36<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: exim4 seems to be complaining about a malformed (bad syntax) IP address in one of its configuration files (probably generated from your responses to questions asked by dpkg-reconfigure)
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21:36<matt__>ok jmcnaught, will do, thanks
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21:44<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know what is the name of the default video player for gnome
21:44<R4F_Debian>I think it's available in Debian Jessie repository but don't know the name
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21:45<lostson>it's called Videos
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21:45<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: the package is called totem, but it shows up in the menus with the name videos
21:45<R4F_Debian>Hi lostson, I don't see you for a long time here!
21:46<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught, Glad to see you !
21:46<lostson>hello R4F_Debian good to see you again
21:46<R4F_Debian>Nice, lostson ! :)
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21:47<R4F_Debian>not so clear for me, jmcnaught, in the case, I use 'apt-get install totem' ? Or not ?
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21:47<R4F_Debian>It is clear now, jmcnaught !
21:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 743] by debhelper
21:48<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: when it's unclear you can always read about the package with "apt-cache show totem" for example. nice to see you too :)
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21:49<R4F_Debian>Great, thanks for your Precious Attention, jmcnaught !
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21:51<R4F_Debian>I have to go now, but it was very nice to see you again, after long time, lostson ! Hope see you again here !
21:51<R4F_Debian>You too, jmcnaught, always Glad when I see you here ! Thanks a lot !
21:51<R4F_Debian>Bye !
21:51<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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21:54<TheNewGuy_>jmcnaught: Shit... any ways of knowing which one it wasÉ
21:54<TheNewGuy_>?*
21:55<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: based on your paste i would say some question about local interfaces
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21:57<TheNewGuy_>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a9f53fed/
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22:00<nezZario>Hey guys. I just installed lua 5.3 on a debian machine, and it provides the executable 'lua5.3'. What is the PROPER way to make it so I can just type 'lua xxx' and it calls that binary? I know I could just say: ln -s /usr/bin/lua5.3 /usr/local/bin/lua but that just doesn't seem like "the right way".
22:00<nezZario>Seems like I should use update alternatives or something like that perhaps?
22:01<jmcnaught>TheNewGuy_: maybe you'll find the msmtp-mta package easier than exim4? The Arch wiki has an overview of setting it up https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Msmtp (but you should also refer to the man pages and info in /usr/share/doc/msmtp-mta because the Arch version is probably newer than the Debian one)
22:04<jmcnaught>nezZario: there's a lua5.3 package in jessie-backports. if that's not suitable for some reason, i would just make the lua5.3 symlink in /usr/local/bin as well
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22:16<nezZario>jmcnaught: it's suitable, I just find it weird it would install the executable there..
22:16<nezZario>it makes it difficult to run it as a shell script
22:17<jmcnaught>nezZario: the lua5.3 package in jessie-backports installs to /usr/bin/lua5.3. also /usr/local/bin is normally in $PATH
22:18<jmcnaught>nezZario: i'm assuming you installed lua5.3 from source or a tarball, and did not use the package in jessie-backports (which is what i'm recommending)
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22:53<matt__>i have a working debian at the moment; is it possible to boot on a live cd to resize swap size and root? or is this not recommended?
22:54<themill>sure
22:54<andrzej>hallo debian geeks ;-)
22:55<andrzej>have a good day/evening
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22:56<andrzej>may i have some help on scanner please?
22:57<andrzej>lsusb gives me this: Bus 006 Device 003: ID 04b8:0116 Seiko Epson Corp. GT-9400UF [Perfection 3170]
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22:57<andrzej>what application can i use to scan ?
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23:36<SleepyHead>matt__, this is possible.
23:36<SleepyHead>I believe you can use fdisk to do it, but if you want the easy route, you can use gparted
23:36<SleepyHead>I don't know if it comes default on the debian-live image, but you can probably easily find a linux distro that has gparted on it by default
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23:37<SleepyHead>and to my knowledge it poses no risk
23:37<jmcnaught>andrzej: hello. simple-scan should work.
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23:42<matt__>SleepyHead: i'm finishing a download and i'll try
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23:46<andrzej>hi jmcnaught, simple-scan: failed to scan: XSane: no devices available
23:47<andrzej>i have downloaded tar.gz from epson site but not sure how to install from it
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23:53<jmcnaught>andrzej: oh, that's too bad. SANE (the backend used by simple-scan and most other scanning programs on Linux) does support many scanners out of the box.
23:53<matt__>ok resizing worked like a charm
23:54<jmcnaught>andrzej: did the tarball you downloaded come with instructions? also does the scanner get listed if you run (as root) "sane-find-scanner" ?
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23:59<andrzej>i will flood that output, is that ok ?
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23:59<jmcnaught>andrzej: no, please use http://paste.debian.net/ for anything more than 2 or 3 lines
23:59<andrzej>here is partial message
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