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00:04<joules>i conect my headphone and audio no work ..
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00:17<storge>be more specific
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00:28<vortek>my screen keeps blacking out , then wants my password to go back to desktop, how can i change how long it takes to go to black screen?
00:30<jmcnaught>vortek: in whichever desktop environment you're using there is probably a setting you can change under something like screensaver, lock, or power settings
00:30<vortek>im using cinnamon and i changed the value.. but it still blacksout in 20 mins
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00:52<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I used 'apt-get build-dep' to compile and configure the source code of k3b, for compilation tests purposes. Then, installed built packages through 'dpkg -i *deb', but installation status showed errors: http://paste.debian.net/686628/
00:52<R4F_Debian>Please, what should I do to correct these errors ?
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00:55<R4F_Debian>should I install 'cdparanoia', because it is showed as a k3b dependency (despite the fact the whole application was installed without this file) ?
00:59<jm_>what do you mean with "despite the fact the whole application was installed without this file"?
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01:09<R4F_Debian>Hi jm_, sorry, my english grammar was terrible in this case. There was shown a dependency problem in the k3b installation (through compilation process, not installed by 'apt-get install'), but k3b was installed (even without cdparanoia dependency and left unconfigured_
01:10<jm_>R4F_Debian: dpkg does not install dependencies, apt does
01:10<R4F_Debian>k3b was opened, but there was a warning (no optical drive found) - k3b didn't find any optical device in your system
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01:11<R4F_Debian>yes, jm_ that is what I thought afterwards, I installed cdparanoia and the requirements showed before as unconfigured, finally appeared as installed an configured through 'apt-get install'
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01:11<R4F_Debian>Setting up k3b (2.0.2-8) ...
01:11<R4F_Debian>Setting up k3b-i18n (2.0.2-8) ...
01:11<R4F_Debian>Setting up k3b-dbg (2.0.2-8) ...
01:12<R4F_Debian>oh, sorry, it was three lines here, awfully sorry, it had to be used in the debian paste !
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01:17<R4F_Debian>jm_, I will reboot the system and this if I the k3b warning still remains. I will be back. Thank you ! See you soon !
01:17<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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01:17<jm_>bleh pointless reboot
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01:20<R4F_Debian>Hey jm_ the problem was solved here !
01:20<R4F_Debian>the issues were fixed, now, k3b is running completely fine. Thanks for your attention !
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01:30<R4F_Debian>Bye all
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02:46<jaaphermsen>How can I enter the keyring?
02:50<boofer>Good Morning, I need help. I have ATI HD6570 using Radeon driver. I am using Gnome 3 on Debian Jessie, sometimes the screen get blank and came back with scrambled display like EGA color. What should I do?
02:51<jm_>boofer: have you checked the bts?
02:51<boofer>jm_, what is bts?
02:51<jm_>!bts
02:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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02:52<boofer>jm_, not yet. I am looking possible resolution before posting to bts.
02:53<musca>boofer: the free radeon driver needs firmware-linux-nonfree. Did you install it?
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02:53<boofer>musca, yes I did. I was follow direction from debian wiki.
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02:55<jm_>boofer: you should check if someone already reported it already, that's what my point was
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02:56<boofer>jm_, Oh OK. I will try to search for it. Thanks.
02:57<jm_>boofer: no worries, this is often a useful first step
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03:19<boofer>jm_, found one on bug #817874 but didn't help much. I got radeon ring 0 stalled error from dmesg. I found another solution to add radeon.dpm=1 at /etc/default/grub. Anyway, thank you for pointing me to right direction.
03:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/817874 in src:linux (closed, moreinfo, patch, upstream): «linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: 3.16.7-ckt25-1 freeze with radeon driver»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-03-11; last modified: 2016-04-08.
03:20<jm_>boofer: so setting dpm=1 helps?
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03:21<boofer>jm_, I am going to reboot the system. Test it out.
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03:33<jakefb>hey
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03:34<jakefb>I'm trying to install debian jessie on a raid 0 array and having problems
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03:36<aborrero>jakefb: would you elaborate your problems?
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03:38<jakefb>@aborrero, the problem I'm having is with installing the bootloader
03:39<aborrero>jakefb: share your errors messages, your install options, etc
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03:39<jakefb>I have created a linux raid partition on sdb and sdc
03:40<jakefb>I have then built an array with mdadm
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03:40<Walex>jakefb: having 'boot/' on anything other than RAID1 is usually not a good idea, it complicates things.
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03:41<jakefb>Walex, yeah boot is on the raid partition
03:42<jakefb>but I tried to do an efi install and the efi partition is on a separate non raid disk
03:42<jakefb>Walex, so do I need to create a boot partition? How big should it be?
03:43<jakefb>Is it a good idea to create it on both the raid disks or on a separate hard disk?
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05:11<fredl>hey folks
05:12<fredl>jessie is now current I understand?
05:12<fredl>so I can ask some support for it here?
05:12<@Ganneff>for a few days already, yes.
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05:13<fredl>I've head it installed on my laptop for quite some time when it was still experimental, so not sure if problems I'm seeing are related to that
05:13<fredl>and also haven't had Linux *running* on this laptop for quite some time so can't say if it always existed or only after recent dist-upgrade
05:14<peter1138>a few days? heh
05:14<fredl>But I have a Sony Vaio and it would seem that some function keys are not being recognized, in fact they're not even recognized by xev
05:15<fredl>well, few days, gotta tell you I honestly DO NOT KNOW
05:15<fredl>I have not used Linux very often since I tried out some Windows 10 for a few months, so to be honest I'm quite out of the loop :)
05:16<peter1138>388 days and counting.
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05:16<fredl>But as it goes and Windoze starts to suck more and more I'm returning to using Linux for most of my stuff again
05:16<fredl>anyway.... any clue about my problem?
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05:17<fredl>it's really strange.... when I start xev, it sees F12, F4 etc.
05:17<fredl>oops, F2, F4 etc.
05:17<fredl>but not ESC, F1, F3
05:17<fredl>not seeing ESC is really ehm... clumsy
05:18<peter1138>esc? that's weird. sure it's not just broken?
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05:18<fredl>it's possible yes. My kids used this laptop for a while but so weirded out that F2, F4 etc. DO work
05:19<fredl>or it may be some weird-ass Sony thing
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05:22<fredl>sorry about that
05:22<fredl>I accidentally switched to some VC
05:23<fredl>and since some function keys apparently ALSO don't work in VC's couldn't switch back to X
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05:23<barteks2x>My laptop (lenovo ideapad z510) has the ability to limit charging battery to to some specified amount, how can I use it on linux? So far the only way I could get it working was enabling it on windows and then rebooting to linux. As long as I didn't unplug the charger - it stayed like that.
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05:25<barteks2x>I found something like that for thinkpad laptop - tp-smapi-dkms package. But this one doesn't work for me (modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'tp_smapi': No such device)
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05:30<barteks2x>after seaching a bit more I found several forum posts and answer on askubuntu that says that it's not possible on ideapad laptops :(
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05:35<vortek>why isn't snort in stable anymore?
05:38<jm_>because it was removed when jessie was getting stable
05:39<vortek>how come?
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05:40*vortek searches for a replacement
05:41<jm_>this thread explains it I think https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2014/11/msg00339.html
05:41<vortek>thanxs
05:42<vortek>cool i read it
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05:52<oirasor>Hi! I installed nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server yesterday...now it works, but I'm having trouble about share certain folders, what are the right permission to set? I think it is not necessary have the same users on client/server... because I just share userAlice's to userBob and it works perfectely.
05:54<oirasor>But now I want to share a certain folder of www-data to userBob, but when I try to mount the client says: "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ip-server/folder"
05:54<oirasor>Drastically, I tried to share the entirely root to see what happens and sharing root folder worked to userBob"
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06:12<scootergrisen>If i want to reinstall Debian but i want to save my settings how would i do that?
06:13<scootergrisen>So i dont have to setup all my settings manually again
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06:16<Brigo>scootergrisen, save the home directory.
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06:17<scootergrisen>That was easy
06:17<scootergrisen>Thanks
06:18<rimelift>you can also save your package list
06:18<jm_>there's also stuff in /etc and some goes in /var too AFAIR
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06:19<scootergrisen>What do people do if they want to update from Jessie to the next version of Debian?
06:20<Brigo>scootergrisen, there is no new version de Debian, yet :)
06:21<Brigo>but if there is one, you just have to change the names in /etc/apt/sources.list
06:21<Brigo>if you are using jessie as name in the deb lines. If you are using stable it will be upgraded automaticaly.
06:22<scootergrisen>Ok
06:23<jm_>in general you read about the proper procedure in release notes
06:24<scootergrisen>What would i want to save from /var ?
06:25<jm_>/var/cache/debconf if you care about it
06:25<Brigo>package list?
06:25<themill>!things to backup
06:25<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
06:26<jm_>and cron
06:26<jm_>heh themill was faster
06:27<scootergrisen>Whats debconf for?
06:28<Brigo>Debian configuration database.
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06:33<scootergrisen>Are settings like mouse and keyboard saved there and not the home folder?
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06:33<jm_>no, these are system settings
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06:44<vortek>how come when i go to install certian apps they want to remove like 20 things?
06:46<jm_>perhaps it's best if you put an example on the paste site
06:47<vortek>i was using aptitude
06:47<vortek>i mean synaptics
06:48<scootergrisen>Yeah i have the same problem
06:48<scootergrisen>It seems not logical
06:48<jm_>i'm sure it'll be logical if you show us an example
06:50<vortek>i figured it out, i had unstable in my sources list , " to install snort" i removed unstable line and alll is good now
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07:04<EmleyMoor>How do I grant libusb write access to a device node for a USB flash drive?
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07:17<XxNemoXx>hello
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07:19<XxNemoXx>BAN TEXA
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07:23<XxNemoXx>anyone speking
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07:24<XxNemoXx>how do i install debian
07:24<jkp>is it quite today
07:25<XxNemoXx>because school
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07:25<XxNemoXx>how do i install debian
07:26<XxNemoXx>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:27<XxNemoXx>ok
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07:28<scootergrisen>Have you tried turning it off and on?
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07:30<XxNemoXx>4114
07:30<XxNemoXx>
07:30<XxNemoXx>
07:30<XxNemoXx>v
07:30<XxNemoXx>w
07:30<XxNemoXx>j
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07:30<scootergrisen>What you need Debian for?
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07:30<XxNemoXx>to download it
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07:31<scootergrisen>Have you downloaded it?
07:31<XxNemoXx>no
07:31<scootergrisen>https://www.debian.org/distrib/
07:31<XxNemoXx>THANKS
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07:32<XxNemoXx>HAVE YOU GOT YOUTUBE ACCOUNT
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07:32<scootergrisen>How else could i install Debian
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07:32<XxNemoXx>cd usb and hard drive
07:33<XxNemoXx>z
07:33<XxNemoXx>w
07:33<XxNemoXx>w
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07:33<scootergrisen>What processor do you have?
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07:33<XxNemoXx>on my computer
07:33<XxNemoXx>?
07:33<scootergrisen>If that if where you want to install Debian
07:33<scootergrisen>Where you want to install it?
07:34<XxNemoXx>i have a i7 processor
07:35<XxNemoXx>and install on a usb
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07:36<scootergrisen>They say to use AMD64 image on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=68927
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07:37<scootergrisen>I guess you dont need to burn it on a disc and boot from the disc but that is what i did
07:37<XxNemoXx>ok bye
07:37<scootergrisen>You could also use a USB stick
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07:40<XxNemoXx>i might use a usb
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07:43<XxNemoXx>l
07:43<scootergrisen>Then when the computer boot you can select to boot from USB or go into BIOS and set it to boot from usb
07:43<XxNemoXx>ok
07:44<scootergrisen>But maybe your BIOS dont offer it
07:44<XxNemoXx>im doing it right now;
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07:45<XxNemoXx>bye
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07:48<scootergrisen>bye
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08:05<lawrence>how to solve my graphical drive? my ATI hd graphics card is not installed
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08:06<lawrence>is there a open driver for ? or how do i find it ?
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08:07<duclicsic>lawrence: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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08:09<grawity>does the "Live" CD come with an installer?
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08:09<duclicsic>grawity: yes
08:09<grawity>where might I find it?
08:10<duclicsic>at least i seem to remember it having one. does it not give you an option to install when booting it?
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08:11<grawity>...ah yes, apparently it does
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08:21<lawrence>ducliscsic: thanks that workt :D
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08:23<blast007>grawity: I'd recommend using the normal installer ISOs if you want to install Debian
08:23<grawity>DCC me a blank CD-R
08:23<blast007>you can use a USB memory stick
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08:24<blast007>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
08:26<grawity>for computers which are sufficiently modern to support USB boot, yes
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08:27<peter1138>probably don't want the amd64 image if it's that old.
08:27<blast007>I think most systems newer than Pentium 4 should boot USB, and even most P4 systems I've used can do it
08:28<blast007>peter1138: that was just the install guide I linked to. I'm not implying that they're using the amd64 image.
08:28<grawity>this one boots jessie fine, probably won't be able to upgrade though since it lacks PAE support
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08:29<blast007>grawity: does it actually lack it? or is it one of those Pentium/Celeron M's that actually does support it but didn't actually set the CPU flag that says it did?
08:29<grawity>yeah, it's a Celeron M
08:29<grawity>but I'm not about to hand-patch kernels for it
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08:33<blast007>think it's just a kernel parameter called 'forcepae'. In any case, testing/stretch still has a non-PAE kernel as an option.
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08:38<matt__>i'm having troubles preventing a service to start at boot (mpd)
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08:38<matt__>when i 'systemctl disable mpd.service' i get th efollowing warning
08:39<matt__>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `mpd' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
08:39<matt__>can that be the reason why it still start at boot?
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08:43<grawity>matt__: I think update-rc.d always prints that out when disabling stuff, doesn't it
08:43<matt__>first time i use it, i wouldn't know
08:43<grawity>there's "systemctl mask" if you need a bruteforce method
08:43<matt__>man systemctl
08:44<matt__>oups -_-"
08:44<grawity>Bad command or file name
08:44<grawity>C:\> _
08:44<matt__>^^
08:44<matt__>in theory i should no be using brute force i suppose
08:45<matt__>i'd like to understand why disabling doesn't work
08:45<matt__>if i show status, i get "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mpd.service; disabled)"
08:46<matt__>"disabled" looked promising
08:46<grawity>that doesn't say "started"
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08:46<matt__>i manually stopped it since i booted
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09:03<machstem>Hey guys, some steps on https://gameservermanagers.com/lgsm/rustserver/ ask me to install the following dependency: libstdc++6:i386
09:04<machstem>When I try and run an apt-get against that, it doesn't work and I'll be honest when I say I've never seen a dependency ending with a :i386
09:05<grawity>you're going to see a lot of i386 deps if you're installing precompiled binaries on a 64-bit system
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09:06<machstem>I did a dpkg --add-architecture i386
09:06<machstem>as per a set of instructions from the dev
09:07<machstem>to no avail
09:07<machstem>I get errors
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09:07<s_20_>you also have to apt-get update
09:07<duclicsic>machstem: do an apt-get update first
09:07<duclicsic>ah
09:07<machstem>did that afterward yes
09:07<s_20_>and what exactly happened then?
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09:09<machstem>s_20_ sec I'll get you a copy/paste
09:10<machstem>wait...
09:10<machstem>now it works
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09:10<machstem>I swear I've done this 3x lol
09:10<machstem>you guys are amazing! ;)
09:10<s_20_>machstem: maybe there a) was a typo or b) you didn't run apt-get update
09:11<machstem>s_20_ i did have a typo in my add-arch but i corrected that and re-ran an update
09:11<s_20_>the latter because obviously the i386 packages are diferent packages and apt did (could!) not know about them until you added that arhictechture
09:12<machstem>s_20_ yeah, I am building a game server using gameservermanagers.com because they seem to have a great and easy packaging for 50+ games
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10:10<Guest1136>hi how to config ssh in debian
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10:18<rudi_s>Guest1136: man sshd, man sshd_config, man ssh, man ssh_config; basically you edit files in /etc/ssh
10:19<musca>,depends ssh
10:19<judd>Package ssh in jessie/amd64 -- depends: openssh-client (>= 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1), openssh-server (>= 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1),dpkg (>= 1.17.5).
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10:31<donnoc>hello my friends. I struggle with a decision. Should I use "su root" and then du stuff or add my user to sudo?
10:33<Guest1136>my ssh after reboot not work
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10:34<Guest1136>command systemctl start ssh.service not active
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10:35<duclicsic>Guest1136: if you've changed the configuration and now it won't start, it's probably because you've introduced an error to one of the config files
10:35<Guest1136>not config file edit
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10:36<Guest1136>not key in .ssh
10:36<duclicsic>so look in your syslog, it may tell you why it's failing to start
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10:43<MichaelMint>I'm currently running LinuxMintDebianEdition and 8.2 Jessie. I mostly use for R, LaTeX editing, Python and scientific work. Is there any major advantage to going to debian testing over stable?
10:43<sney>mint is not relevant in #debian
10:43<MichaelMint>Ignore that part then.
10:44<duclicsic>there are advantages and disadvantages. testing will have more recent versions of packages, but is last to receive security updates
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10:44<duclicsic>i happily run testing on my desktop machines, but i run stable on production servers
10:44<sney>but in the general case, testing is a test platform for the next debian stable release, sometimes it's buggy and unreliable. you get newer versions of some software in testing, but basically no focus on stability until after the freeze
10:45<sney>testing users have to be at least somewhat comfortable tinkering with apt if they want to make sure their desktop doesn't disappear in a transition etc
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10:46<duclicsic>MichaelMint: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
10:46<MichaelMint>I run a lot of cognitive simulations, I have been fine so far with stable and to be honest have't actually noticed any major problems with packages. However, I am about to upgrade a new machine so thought I would get the latest information.
10:47<MichaelMint>Thank you
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10:55<donnoc>to disable root ssh I have to restart ssh, but in /etc/init.d/ there is only ssh and no sshd ... should I retsart that?
10:56<duclicsic>donnoc: yeah that's the one
10:58<donnoc>duclicsic: thank you
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11:48<thirax>hi!
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12:07<diefi>!testing
12:07<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
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12:20<diefi>!debug
12:20*dpkg DeBuggers $1
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12:23<petn-randall>diefi: You can also query dpkg and then ask the bot to your heart's content.
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12:29<XxNemoXx>it didnt work
12:29<XxNemoXx>How do i install ubuntu
12:30<XxNemoXx>i mean debian
12:30<petn-randall>!doesnt work
12:30<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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12:30<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: Have you had a look in the Debian release notes yet?
12:31<XxNemoXx>it is an error i cant install debian dpkg
12:31<XxNemoXx>and yes petn
12:32<jelly>which error at which step, XxNemoXx? You'll have to be more precise.
12:32<XxNemoXx>2nd step
12:32<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: At which step of the installation are you stuck then?
12:32<XxNemoXx>2nd!
12:32<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: Try to explain it in a way that other people understand. Nobody knows which 2nd step you're referring to.
12:33<XxNemoXx>?
12:33<jelly>XxNemoXx: use the camera on your phone, capture a screenshot and upload it to an image site if you're unable to explain the issue
12:33<XxNemoXx>my phone is dead
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12:34<XxNemoXx>sim card broke and everything breoke
12:34<XxNemoXx>broke
12:34<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: If you're unable to explain your problem with Debian we can't really help you.
12:34<jelly>XxNemoXx: borrow one from a friend, coworker or family
12:34<XxNemoXx>ok ill just leave it
12:34<jelly>or enemy
12:34<jelly>!next
12:34<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:35<XxNemoXx>Can u just send me a link
12:36<XxNemoXx>please?
12:36<storge>a link for what?
12:36<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: https://www.google.com
12:36<XxNemoXx>ok thanks
12:37<storge>i can't understand his problem, sim card broke?
12:37<XxNemoXx>yes
12:37<jelly>storge: also they're a known pest
12:37<storge>so what does that have to do with debian linux?
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12:37<storge>jelly: i'm starting to sense that
12:37<XxNemoXx>i plugged it in
12:38<storge>plugged it into what
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12:38<storge>you offer no details and then get mad when no one helps
12:38<XxNemoXx>my com
12:38<petn-randall>storge: indeed. Maybe that is the reaction they want. Better ignore it.
12:39<storge>petn-randall: done.
12:39<jelly>!qotd0
12:39<dpkg><atannus> What I do is install wheezy, then change the ppas to to say jessie instead o wheezy, update/upgrade.
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12:39<XxNemoXx>thanks for the link really helped ... not it leads to nothing just google search bar
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12:40<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: You asked for a link, I gave you one. Have fun! The internet is limitless! Better spend some time elsewhere.
12:40<XxNemoXx>i will have fun
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12:41<XxNemoXx>i asked for a link to download debian in a simple way
12:41<petn-randall>XxNemoXx: I thought you were stuck in the 2nd step?
12:41<storge>jelly: wow, that's kooky
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12:42<XxNemoXx>i was
12:42<jelly>what's the 2nd step?
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12:42<XxNemoXx>idk
12:43<storge>i had the same thing. but i was on the 7th step and i was stuck. it was then i realized that i lacked a simple philips-head screwdriver. now i'm on the 9th step. life is better.
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15:03<fontana>hello everyone
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15:04<sney>hi
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15:04<fontana>you guys heard about demonsaw ? i got it a few weeks ago but not many populate it, great open source project, we get to share files between us anonymously and with added encryption for private grouping on top of standard one.... maybe check it out join the community ? Im on debian, it works great....
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15:07<sney>fontana: closed source. so, erm, probably not. the demoncrypt part is MIT-licensed so that might make it in at some point if there's demand. ... assuming that is, that you're asking if it might be included with debian some day, rather than advertising in a support channel
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15:16<debnikic>hi
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15:17<sney>hi
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15:23<mdx0>I have a little question about debiandog, is it good? I need a system on an older netbook and I like to stay with debian...do somebody can say something about?
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15:24<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know if there is any application in the official stable repository of Debian Jessie to play international radios all over the World
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15:25<sney>mdx0: just keep using debian. I have an older asus eee that is just fine running debian jessie
15:25<sney>mdx0: derivatives sometimes advertise being "lightweight" but they aren't doing any inherent changes, just bundling lxde by default and stuff like that
15:26<mdx0>sney, also with an atom processor?
15:26<sney>yep
15:26<somiaj>R4F_Debian: what do you mean? You mean just play streaming radio?
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15:26<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj, nice to see you again
15:27<R4F_Debian>yes, that is really what I want to
15:27<sney>mdx0: atom n270 specifically, I think the netbook itself is from 2008
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15:27<mdx0>sney, thanx
15:27<somiaj>R4F_Debian: you shouldn't need any special software. Some sites you can do with just html5, some require flash or some third party plugin, others can be run with media programs like mplayer.
15:27<somiaj>R4F_Debian: I don't know any good place to search for streaming sites though.
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15:29<R4F_Debian>oh, I see somiaj, but, you told about html5 to play streaming radio. In this case, do you know any good source of information related to this question, Please ?
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15:30<somiaj>R4F_Debian: no, I'm just stating many streaming radio sites work over a webbrowser, and they will use webbrowser tools
15:30<somiaj>R4F_Debian: so it depends on the site/radio station if you will use html5, flash, or some other plugin (quicktime and realaudio use to be popular, but I don't think are used that much anymore as examples)
15:30<R4F_Debian>oh, I see somiaj. Well, thanks anyway for your attention and explanantions !
15:31<somiaj>R4F_Debian: so you shoudln't have to do anything if it is html5, just use firefox or chromium and go to the website. I would first do research and figure out what raido stations offer internet streaming.
15:32<kenyon>like somafm or di.fm
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15:32<R4F_Debian>Great, thanks for this good hint, somiaj, I will do it
15:33<R4F_Debian>Nice to see you again, somiaj, hope seeing you soon ! Really Thanks !
15:33<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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16:06<mdx0>Hi, I have a another question about: etc/sources.list, I become a "InRelease" error message during I execute apt-get update.....somebody got an idea?
16:06<sney>!bat
16:06<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:07<mdx0>oh, that sounds complicated...
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16:10<sney>mdx0: just pastebin everything you ran and all of the terminal output
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16:10<sney>(Pastebin means paste it on http://paste.debian.net/ or similar, not in the channel)
16:10<mdx0>okay
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16:15<mdx0>sney, please tell me, how I can change my system to english?
16:15<sney>!localized errors
16:15<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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16:24<mdx0>sney, locale LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8 or something like that? I need help ......# LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8
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16:25<sney>mdx0: it has an example at the end...
16:26<mdx0>sney, please could you give me the complete syntax...I will learn......for bash?
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16:27<sney>mdx0: so if you are trying to show the output of apt-get update in english, you do 'LC_ALL=C apt-get update'
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16:29<mdx0>sney, okay that works.....
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16:32<mario_>hello
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16:33<sney>mdx0: ok, so pastebin it to http://paste.debian.net/ and link the paste here please
16:34<mario_>Why?
16:34<sney>mario_: do you have a debian question
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16:35<mdx0>please, not so fast I'm only at step 2.....do you can explain what this phrase mean:"apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." I don't understand pkg1 pkg2?
16:36<sney>mdx0: if apt is complaining about a package, then you would pastebin apt-cache policy for that package. if there are no errors related to a specific package you can skip that part
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16:38<mdx0>sney, at paste.debian.net .....this is the first time I do this........ can I skip step 3 too?
16:39<sney>mdx0: sure, for now
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16:40<mdx0>sney, at paste.debian.net .....okay, I send this with name: mdx0
16:41<sney>it gave you a link, share the link here please
16:42<mdx0> paste.debian.net/686953
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16:43<yulix-18>h
16:43<sney>mdx0: ok, everything looks fine to me. what was the problem?
16:43<yulix-18>holaaaa
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16:45<mdx0>I became a "InRelease" error message if I execute apt-get update...I suspect that I done something wrong into the:"etc/sources.list".
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16:46<mdx0>I used a generator
16:46<mdx0>for the sources.list
16:47<sney>according to your apt-cache policy you only have official sources. so even though we do not like generators, it looks ok
16:47<sney>and your apt-get update output in english was also fine
16:47<sney>so I don't think anything is wrong
16:47<mdx0>sney, now I have learned to use paste
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16:51<mdx0>I read it somewhere in the net...that this: "InRelese" line should an error?
16:52<mdx0>okay, fine everthing works right...
16:52<mdx0>?
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16:54<mdx0>sney, but before I had used non-free packages but I changed them ...
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16:55<mdx0>but I think I had nothing non-free packages installes.....what can I do?
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16:57<mdx0>how, can I check whether I installed non-free packages?
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17:00<mdx0>okay....I'm satisfied with your support sney, thanx....I be quiet now..
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17:02<jmcnaught>mdx0: this command will show you installed packages from the non-free section: aptitude search ~i~snon-free
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17:07<mdx0>jmcnaught, you don't mean: "search -i -s non-free" but exact how you wrote above.....with "~"
17:08<jmcnaught>mdx0: i meant it exactly as i wrote it :) there's an aptitude search term reference here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html
17:09<jmcnaught>mdx0: the long form would be: aptitude search '?installed ?section(non-free)'
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17:09<mdx0>yes exact how you wrote but with a blank between the
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17:10<ryouma>mdx0: vrms is pretty good too
17:10<mdx0>ryouma, vrms?
17:10<ryouma>!dpkg vrms
17:10<dpkg>The Virtual Richard M. Stallman (vrms) will list the <contrib> and <non-free> packages installed on your system and for some explain why they are non-free; its list of "reasons" is horribly unmaintained however. You could just run "aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'" to get the same package list.
17:11<ryouma>oh, i was wrong i guess O.o
17:11<mdx0>?
17:11<jmcnaught>mdx0: the command i gave you works, but if you add spaces it does something different
17:11<mdx0>okay, that's enough stuff for today...for a lamer
17:13<mdx0>U C secrets
17:15<mdx0>somebody have heard something about that guy named skillingen?
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17:16<sney>mdx0: #debian is for debian support questions only please
17:17<mdx0>sney, tell me please, a short line about cron
17:18<sney>!cron
17:18<dpkg>[cron] a daemon allowing programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab>, <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>.
17:18<mdx0>narrow
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17:22<mdx0>jmcnaught, aptitude search ~i~snon-free, gives no output...exit without an output...everting is fine...
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17:30<mdx0>jmcnaught, same with: aptitude search '?installed ?section(non-free) ' no output.....
17:30<sney>then it sounds like you have nothing from non-free.
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17:31<mdx0>yep, that's good, a little more secure, for today
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17:32<mdx0>thanks for support
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18:44<BenBE_>Does anyone here have pgadmin3 installed and could check something for me?
18:45<BenBE_>Trying to figure out a connection issue with my DB server (pg 9.5 over SSH) I noticed pgadmin3 identifies itself as SSH-2.0-libssh2_1.6.1_DEV
18:46<BenBE_>(at least tested on Ubuntu 16.04/Xenial). Yet that dependency is not listed in the .deb file.
18:47<BenBE_>Similar it is missing for the Debian version of the package.
18:47<BenBE_>Shouldn't libssh2 be linked dynamically?
18:50<somiaj>+,v pgadmin3
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18:50<somiaj>,v pgadmin3
18:50<judd>Package: pgadmin3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.10.5-1; squeeze-backports: 1.14.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.14.2-2; jessie: 1.20.0~beta2-1; jessie-backports: 1.22.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.22.1-1; sid: 1.22.1-1
18:51<BenBE_>Also: https://libssh2.org/ -> libssh2 in sid lacks behind about 1 year.
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19:49<ProximaCentaure>Hi everyone. I just installed Debian "Testing" and I want to install the VPN client "Bitmask" : on their website, there is a list of command for Debian Testing, but when I try to install it, there is dependencies that could not be installed, so I wanted to know if it's possible to use the "Debian Stable" sources.list to install it ? Thanks :)
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19:51<sney>ProximaCentaure: testing is a moving target, so when 3rd parties make instructions for it, they are outdated pretty quickly.
19:52<sney>ProximaCentaure: depending on the age of that document, it might have been written for debian testing when it was still what would become the debian 8 stable release... you can check packages.debian.org to find out what versions of packages are available in different debian versions, but ultimately it's the 3rd party repo's responsibility to support their own software
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19:56<storge>i see i have gcc-4.6, -4.8, -4.9, and -5 installed in my system. gcc -v returns 5.3.1 ...can i safely remove the olders?
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19:57<ProximaCentaure>Thank you Sney
19:57<sney>np
19:57<ProximaCentaure>But the website say that it's for "Stretch" : https://bitmask.net/en/install/linux#debian
19:58<sney>again, moving target. stretch has had a lot of different versions of everything since april of last year when it started existing
19:58<sney>with some packages being taken out, or replaced by other stuff, etc
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19:59<sney>storge: if you don't need gcc4 for stuff, sure
19:59<storge>i don't know if i do ;)
19:59<sney>a debian system doesn't need a compiler for normal operation, so it's up to whatever your use case is
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20:01<ProximaCentaure>Ok, I understand now, thank you :). Here's the unmet dependencies in my terminal : https://paste.debian.net/686971 (in French, sorry). But can I use the stable source just for this package ? I'm still a newbie in the world of GNU/Linux, sorry ^_^
20:01<storge>sney: i do compile kernels weekly
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20:03<sney>ProximaCentaure: that 'leap-mail' package doesn't look like it's in debian at all. talk to the bitmask upstream, they are giving you bad directions. (this is part of why 3rd party is unsupported)
20:04<ProximaCentaure>Ok, thanks a lot Sney :)
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20:24<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I had to reinstall youtube-dl because it was outdated and could not download files from youtube anymore. I did it through Debian Support here. But, since then, I only can download .mkv format files, and before the default was .mp4. Because of that, I face problems of compatibility with some players. http://paste.debian.net/686973/
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20:24<R4F_Debian>Is there any implementation I can do in youtube-dl, install any plugin or something like that, in order to fix this issue and be able to download again to .mp4 format in Debian Jessie ?
20:25<sney>https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#format-selection
20:25<R4F_Debian>oh, Hi again sney, let me read it. Thanks !
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20:42<R4F_Debian> making some tests here, sney, there is video options such as --merge-output-format FORMAT ( replace the variable FORMAT to .mp4, for example)
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20:43<R4F_Debian>Great ! Thanks for Great Support and Attention, sney. High Quality of Debian Support always !
20:43<sney>I found that in 5 seconds with google, so maybe in the future you can do some searching before you ask
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20:54<R4F_Debian>I see, sney, thanks for help
20:54<R4F_Debian>See you
20:55*sney waves
20:55<R4F_Debian>:)
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22:33<MrMe>Hi. When I install Debian with a desktop environment I am able to boot and use my system as normal. However, I want to run my system without a desktop environment so that I can install everything on my own. I de-select everything in tasksel and finish the install. But when Grub boots it get stuck at Loading Initial Ramdisk. I tried a reinstall a few times and it only happens when I don't select a
22:33<MrMe>desktop environment to install.
22:35<sney>that sounds like buggy behavior, which installer are you using
22:35<MrMe>Jessie Net Installer.
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22:35<MrMe>Funny thing is when I goto advance and select 3.16 it will boot into terminal here and there.
22:36<sney>are you still selecting the 'standard system utilities' task (though it shouldn't make a difference)?
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22:36<MrMe>Tried it with and without selecting it
22:36<MrMe>Same result
22:40<sney>can you change the kernel command line and remove 'quiet' and see if it gives you any more info than loading initrd? that's actually where it starts hiding the boot messages
22:42<MrMe>Funny thing is. I compared the two configuration of the one that kind of work and the one that doesn't.
22:42<MrMe>Same
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22:42<MrMe>I am basically just trying to install kde without all that crap (inkscape, etc).
22:43<MrMe>Anyway I can do it durning the install process?
22:43<sney>no, the installer doesn't give you an option to install arbitrary packages outside the task list.
22:43<sney>can you ssh into the system after install?
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22:45<MrMe>Networking works
22:45<MrMe>However I was only able to boot into terminal once
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22:46<MrMe>Again, weird why not selecting no desktop environment would do this
22:46<sney>the only thing I can think of, besides an intermittent hardware problem, is that it's setting a framebuffer mode that your machine can't handle
22:47<MrMe>It's a rather new laptop
22:47<MrMe>Ati graphics
22:47<MrMe>Never had this issue with a desktop environment installed
22:48<sney>yeah, my hypothesis is that when X re-probes your graphics it finds a working mode, so you just get a black screen in between initrd and the kde login
22:48<sney>(briefly)
22:49<sney>you could try booting with nomodeset. this will stop X from working any time you use it on boot, but if I'm right about the issue it'll give you a command line interface from which to use apt
22:50<MrMe>I wanted to install debian without an desktop environment
22:50<MrMe>Can't
22:50<MrMe>Won't go past that screen
22:50<MrMe>It did once
22:50<MrMe>Into terminal
22:50<sney>you added nomodeset to the boot command line, and it still hung up at loading initial ram disk?
22:50<MrMe>Didn't do that
22:50<sney>then don't say "can't" after I give you a suggestion
22:51<MrMe>Wow
22:51<sney>vagueness makes the help worse, is all
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22:51<sney>derp
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