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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-05-21

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01:06<junglew>GO
01:06<junglew>DEHELPER
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01:41<newuser>Can i ask a question?
01:42<themill>you already have!
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01:42<newuser>ok i'll go ahead, lets say I add root to a group names somegroup1
01:43<newuser>and I run: sudo sg somegroup1 apt-get install someapp
01:44<newuser>now some of the installed files belonging to someapp have group ownership of somegroup1
01:44<newuser>and some files in /usr/lib/python2.7/ have also changed their group ownership to somegroup1
01:44<newuser>is there any consequences to this?
01:45<newuser>normally those files would have group ownership of root, but now they have group ownership of somegroup1
01:46<themill>That doesn't sound like desirable behaviour
01:46<newuser>I'm new to debian, would anything in the core of debian break when these root files change their group ownership?
01:47<themill>break? unlikely, although it might make some files modifiable in ways that are not desirable
01:48<themill>(they wouldn't normally be group writeable though so it should make no difference)
01:48<newuser>like things would stop working
01:48<newuser>ok
01:48<newuser>thanks for the help
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01:59<AlexLikeRock>debian GNU/Hurd , they have support to USB ?
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02:25<AndroUser>Hey guys, i cant see my wireless network in connection manager, although the pc does detect my network card
02:26<Laogeodritt>Hi all—the package "python-pandas" (and the python3- variant) seems to exist in jessie and sid, but not in stretch. Anyone know what's going on with that? ( https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-pandas )
02:27<themill>it was removed from stretch so the python3.5 transition could be completed
02:27<themill>it will come back when #824870 is fixed
02:28<Laogeodritt>themill: ah, all right. thanks
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02:36<AndroUser>Poor support i guess
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02:37<themill>AndroUser: what sort of network card?
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02:38<AndroUser>Netgear wna1000m
02:38<AndroUser>Usb wireless adopter
02:39<themill>Do you have the firmware-realtek package installed?
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02:43<AndroUser>Umm
02:43<themill>Laogeodritt: if you have an interest in pandas and access to any of the relevant hardware, I'm sure the maintainer would be grateful of suggestions on how to fix its tests.
02:43<AndroUser>Fresh install
02:43<themill>AndroUser: presumably not then. Do you have a wired network connection on that machine as well?
02:43<AndroUser>Cant connect to networks
02:43<OneSploit>Hi
02:43<AndroUser>Nope
02:43<AndroUser>Pc sits in another room
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02:44<themill>AndroUser: you'll need to download the firmware-realtek package, copy it to a usb stick and then install the package on that machine https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-realtek/download
02:45<AndroUser>Thnx
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02:49<Laogeodritt>themill: Swamped at the moment, but good thought—I'll keep an eye on the bug and look into the issues if they still exist for arches I have available when I get some time free
02:51<themill>;)
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05:53<scootergrisen>What is better to install a language pack for Iceweasel in Iceweasel or apt-get?
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06:00<antzero>What a "standard" sources.list should look like?
06:01<antzero>I have the two normal lines but I keep getting errors on the security repos
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06:04<scootergrisen>What do they say?
06:05<scootergrisen>Maybe "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" and "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main"
06:06<antzero>Im on stretch
06:06<antzero>and ye, I have those lines
06:06<scootergrisen>In gedit i can't switch tabs with Ctrl+Alt+PageUp like the manual says. What can i do to fix it?
06:07<wigust>antzero, as i know security team doesn't maintain testing, so remove those lines
06:07<antzero>Oooh, that makes sense
06:07<antzero>So on stretch I should generally keep only the two main repos?
06:09<wigust>antzero, even only one if you don't need sources
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06:10<wigust>scootergrisen, better use apt package version lang pack
06:10<scootergrisen>What is better about it?
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06:11<antzero>wigust: thanks
06:11<scootergrisen>What if you search for updated in iceweasel and want to update the language pack will that be a problem?
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06:14<wigust>scootergrisen, you can update iceweasel only via apt
06:14<scootergrisen>I mean the iceweasel language pack
06:15<wigust>scootergrisen, why do you want updates for lang pack?
06:15<scootergrisen>When they are updated
06:15<antzero>In which scenarios should I need sources?
06:17<wigust>antzero, if you want to debug or modify things
06:17<scootergrisen>It just seems strange to update somethings with apt-get but other thinkgs like adblocker plugins from inside iceweasel
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06:19<wigust>scootergrisen, it's no problem to mix them
06:19<antzero>gotcha
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06:25<scootergrisen>So if i first install with apt-get and then update language pack from inside iceweasel... will apt-get know about the update?
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06:30<scootergrisen>Is it good to run strecth or is there lost of problems?
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06:30<scootergrisen>I would like to run newer version of the different programs then the stable Debian has to offer
06:31<scootergrisen>But at the same time i would like it to be stable
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06:33<antzero>I'm on stretch since last October
06:33<antzero>Honestly, I had no packages broken or smth like that
06:33<antzero>It runs sooo smoothly, and KDE Plasma is lighter than I expected
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06:37<scootergrisen>Maybe i should just switch
06:37<scootergrisen>Was it something like it was best to switch from stable to strech right after a fresh install?
06:38<antzero>I never tried to upgrade, tbh
06:38<scootergrisen>What if i just installed some different packages in stable is that a problem if i want to switch to strecth?
06:38<antzero>I just did a fresh install
06:38<scootergrisen>Did you not install stable first?
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06:38<antzero>I was on stable but I did a fresh install
06:40<scootergrisen>How?
06:40<lindi->scootergrisen: my solution is to use stable and then run unstable programs from a chroot
06:40<lindi->that way I can keep them very well separated from each other
06:40<lindi->my recipe is http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt
06:42<scootergrisen>Can you run the latest version of software then?
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06:42<scootergrisen>Its because i translate some software like SMPlayer so i would like to be able to test the newest translation in the newsest version of the software
06:43<lindi->scootergrisen: yes
06:44<lindi->scootergrisen: I can use the latest version of emacs by typing "sid emacs" or the stable version by typing "emacs"
06:44<scootergrisen>nice
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06:48<musca>lindi-: nice suggestion, please change the examples to libreoffice ;-)
06:48<scootergrisen>is strecth the same as testing?
06:49<lindi->musca: yeah I've been using this approach for a very long time
06:49<lindi->musca: I keep updating that file but apparently it still refers to openoffice in the example :)
06:50<lindi->musca: updated
06:50<musca>cool :)
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06:51<scootergrisen>Whats wrong with openoffice?
06:52<scootergrisen>There are no package called just "openoffice.org" on my system
06:52<lindi->scootergrisen: well it's not part of debian 8
06:52<scootergrisen>ok
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06:52<lindi->scootergrisen: we have libreoffice now
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06:55<scootergrisen>Are there any problems if i want to swtich from stable to strecth and then maby back again?
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06:56<wigust>scootergrisen, yeah, you will probably have problems
06:56<scootergrisen>;(
06:57<wigust>scootergrisen, you can shrink disk with 16G for stretch root, and 16 for stable as a variant
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06:58<wigust>mount it and use it as chroot as lindi said
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06:58<wigust>and boot direct in it when you want
06:59<scootergrisen>I just have no idea what it does and i dont want to mess up the system... again
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07:24<antzero>I can't find torrents of the testing dvd ISO, do they exist?
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07:25<antzero>scootergrisen: yes, it is
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07:25<SOUL_OF_R00T>my computer starts to beep crazy when xchat connect, why i have to look to solve it?
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07:31<scootergrisen>How do i know what driver my graphcis card is using right now?
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07:34<hesbollah>hi there :)
07:35<hesbollah>is there anybody ?
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07:38<scootergrisen>Only 753
07:38<hesbollah>hi :)
07:39<hesbollah>I'm quite new here
07:39<antzero>scootergrisen, run lspci
07:40<scootergrisen>But is that the drivers?
07:41<hesbollah>I would like to change the default video player on my system but I don't know how
07:44<scootergrisen>In Settings > Details
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07:46<hesbollah>can anybody tell me how to do this ?
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07:47<scootergrisen>In Settings > Details
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07:48<hesbollah>Ammm I dont have this kind of menu
07:48<scootergrisen>Are you using GNOME?
07:48<scootergrisen>Click in top right corner and select the settings in the bottom left of the pop up
07:49<hesbollah>I have applications I places I system
07:49<hesbollah>in system settings there is an app called default applications
07:50<hesbollah>but the video player which I would like to use is not listed in there
07:51<antzero>you should be able to specify a custom command to run
07:51<hesbollah>yes but its not working and I dont know why
07:52<scootergrisen>Try the same command from a terminal
07:52<scootergrisen>Maybe just wrong command
07:53<hesbollah>okay one moment
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07:53<antzero>^
07:53<scootergrisen>If you write part of the name and press TAB it might will in the rest
07:53<hesbollah>I have tried
07:53<hesbollah>and it have started a the application which I would like to use
07:54<scootergrisen>Try the full path to the program
07:54<scootergrisen>You can write "whereis program" to find it
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07:55<hesbollah>oh this can work
07:56<hesbollah>it says: vlc: /usr/bin/vlc /etc/vlc /usr/lib/vlc /usr/share/vlc /usr/share/man/man1/vlc.1.gz
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07:56<scootergrisen>so try /usr/bin/vlc
07:57<antzero>oh, scootergrisen, I'm actually upgrading Jessie on to Stretch on another machine
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07:57<antzero>I'll let you know if something starts giving problems
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08:00<hesbollah>still nothing have happened :(
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08:00<hesbollah>the crappy default player is starting
08:00<scootergrisen>What is the field called where you enter /usr/bin/vlc in?
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08:01<hesbollah>multimedia
08:02<hesbollah>and it only has music player option init
08:02<hesbollah>so I have guessed that it changes video playback aswell
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08:05<scootergrisen>What is the filname ending?
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08:05<scootergrisen>That you are trying to open
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08:05<hesbollah>mkv
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08:05<scootergrisen>You could also try rightclicking the file and choose open with or something like that
08:06<hesbollah>yes but it only changes for only that time
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08:07<hesbollah>and this way I allways need to do this while I wanna open a file
08:07<hesbollah>and it's so disturbing
08:08<scootergrisen>Maybe take some screenshots
08:08<hesbollah>okay :)
08:08<hesbollah>how can I send them ?
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08:11<hesbollah>file:///home/hesbollah/Asztal/screenshot.png
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08:18<scootergrisen>Anyone know a good place to paste images?
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08:22<scootergrisen>Maybe try http://pastebin.com/ i dont know if you can paste images
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09:03<Skytech>Is there a way to portforward in Debian?
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09:04<scootergrisen>Should i add " contrib" after "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" in order to install flash plugin for iceweasel?
09:05<Skytech>Debian Jessie specifically
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09:06<lord_rob>scootergrisen: you need to add non-free at least
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09:07<lord_rob>then install flash-plugin-nonfree
09:07<lord_rob>but it is outdated
09:07<scootergrisen>Are there any reason why i should not add contrib and non-free at the end?
09:07<scootergrisen>Yeah but how else can i view flash content?
09:08<lord_rob>install chromium
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09:08<scootergrisen>I dont want google stuff
09:09<jcrain>,v flashplugin-nonfree
09:09<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1
09:09<scootergrisen>is chromium made by google?
09:10<branau>Chromium is open source
09:10<branau>But yes, Google sponsors it
09:11<scootergrisen>If it says jessie/contrib should i then not just add contrib at the end?
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09:11<branau>Yeah, adding contrib at the end will work
09:11<lord_rob>branau: some chromium's code comes from google, so does the kernel's code
09:12<branau>lord_rob yeah but it's still considered open source, isn't it?
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09:13<scootergrisen>Can i mess up my system by adding " contrib non-free" at the end in sources?
09:13<lord_rob>chromium IS the open source version of chrome
09:13<scootergrisen>Is one based one the other?
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09:14<lord_rob>chrome's base is chromium yes
09:14<scootergrisen>Is it possible to have a google-free experience with chromium?
09:15<lord_rob>sure, rewrite the code ;)
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09:16<sauron>chromium has no google specific code afaik
09:17<sauron>the core browser engine of it and chrome are built on the same base, but the higher level stuff is separate
09:18<lord_rob>new firefox, firefox-esr supports flash too, and if I understand correctly, iceweasel has completely disappeared from stretch, was replaced with the new Firefox.
09:20<lord_rob>chromium flash support is called pepperflash, and firefox-esr supports pepperflash too. but you have to install it manually (or use a backport maybe for jessie)
09:20<scootergrisen>How do i read the descripstions of a packages with apt-get?
09:21<lord_rob>apt-cache show pkgname
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09:29<scootergrisen>In my sources.list i have both linjes with jessie/updates and jessie-updates.
09:29<scootergrisen>Why is that? / and -
09:29<scootergrisen>Does it mean the same?
09:32<scootergrisen>debhelper hi
09:32<scootergrisen>debhelper apt
09:32<scootergrisen>!apt
09:32<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
09:33<scootergrisen>!strecth
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09:39<themill>scootergrisen: they are different things
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10:07<hicham>hii
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10:20<mashiro>do you guys know any software for creating bootable flash drive that is available in debian repositories
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10:30<lostatwork>mashiro: yeah use dd
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10:30<blu>hi guys. I'm trying to setup a bridge on a server to have a KVM VM have a public IP. The VM can ping google, google responds, the host receives the packages but does not seem to forward them to the machine. I just cant seem to find my missconfiguration: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f2240c9a/
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10:32<blu>so kern.git.example.com is the host (138.201.50.98) the guest is 138.201.50.118
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11:12<jalt>For an official jessie usb stick created as per 4.3.1 (https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en), which partition manager should I use to create an additional partition on the unused space? Neither parted nor cfdisk seem to correctly understand the iso9660 hybridiso scheme, although the usb stick is correctly mountable and bootable. Suggestions?
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11:22<mashiro> do you guys know any software for creating bootable flash drive that is available in debian repositories?
11:23<jalt>if you only need to boot an isohybrid image, cp or dd are enough
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11:24<mashiro>I wanna burn it into my flash drive to create a bootable
11:24<jalt>otherwise it gets complicated depending on what exactly you want to boot, and under what environment
11:24<mashiro>was dat enuff?
11:24<mashiro>I just want to create a bootable flash drive
11:24<jalt>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
11:25<mashiro>as for your question jalt, gparted partition manager is enough
11:25<jalt>not it is not, as it complains about a malformed GPT and ends up showing the whole usb stick as unused/unpartitioned, which is false
11:26<jalt>unless i need a specific recent version of parted/gparted
11:26<jalt>cfdisk tells to use parted because of GPT, and then shows an incorrect layout
11:26<mashiro>hmm as of for me it work
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11:27<mashiro>try delting the partiotion and create a new one
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11:27<jalt>well, no, i can't delete it because a) it doesn't show b) it contains the bootable image so i obviously need it
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11:28<jalt>it is a 2GB pendrive, if it makes a difference (it shouldn't)
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11:29<mashiro>oh
11:30<mashiro>so you've burned an image int oyour thumbdrive right?
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11:32<jalt>yes
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11:34<mashiro>what partition are you using gpt or mbr?
11:35<mashiro>try using rufus for burning image into your flash drive
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11:37<mashiro>rufus is reliable and won't mess up with your thumbdrive but I think it's only available for windows though
11:38<jalt>i am not using any specific partition table (the drive was blanked before) since the cp should and did generate one for me. because neither cfdisk nor parted work for me I cannot verify what is truly there. i did not try rufus because i wanted to follow the debian manual instructions to keep it simple
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11:40<musca>,v unetbootin
11:40<judd>Package: unetbootin on amd64 -- squeeze: 471-2; wheezy: 575-1; sid: 608-1
11:41<jalt>unetbotin is specifically advised against, and like I said, I wanted to follow the official debian recommendation (and it works)
11:41<musca>yes
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11:43<jalt>i also can and have used the 4.3.3 flexible way which allows me to customize the full layout from the get go, but am trying to make the much simpler 4.3.1 approach work
11:45<somiaj>jalt: I missed what you were trying to do? Were you trying to put the debian installer on the usb drive, then partition the remaing space into another partition?
11:45<jalt>somiaj: yep
11:45<jalt>just like the manual suggests: "Create a second, FAT partition on the stick, mount the partition and copy (...)"
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11:46<jalt>but parted and cfdisk both choke on something, apparently GPT related
11:46<somiaj>jalt: so the first thing you did was 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdb' (assuming /dev/sdb is the usb drive)
11:46<jalt>yes
11:46<jalt>and it works fine
11:46<somiaj>jalt: well the debian images are hibred, they contain a very special partition table to allow both efi and legacy boot
11:47<somiaj>jalt: personally I recall cfdisk working just fine for me, though parted might be needed. I don't recall it being a problem (but I may be remebering doing it with a live image and not the installer)
11:47<jalt>so i have read on isolinux pages about isohybrid, but i am using it to test the 32bit image with BIOS boot only
11:48<jalt>cfdisk sees (after complaining about GPT and recommending parted): free space 4.33MB, vfat 0.33MB, free space 2GB
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11:48<jalt>obviosuly that is not possible since the ISO takes around a gig
11:49<somiaj>what iso are you using? I'm testing this on an old pendrive. I'm going to be using the 8.0.0 netinstaller (just because I haven't downloaded a newer one)
11:50<jalt>default latest jessie 8.4.0 cd1 xfce (debian-8.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1)
11:50<jalt>netinstaller works differently, but maybe will be enough to check the partitioning
11:50<somiaj>that shouldn't matter, just more stuff on it
11:50<somiaj>well not really, the installers are all the same it is just a matter of what 'extra packages' are avaialbe on the install medium
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11:51<somiaj>but I think I get the error you did, cfdisk gives me a 'start point out of range' error
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11:52<jalt>parted just complains about GPT and offers to fix, if i ignore it all it ends up showing the whole 2GB as free space
11:52<somiaj>I'm using gparted (because I suck at parted on the command line). They both seem to show the empty space, but both fail to partition it
11:52<somiaj>I think the only time I've done this is with live images.
11:53<somiaj>jalt: you said this is for legacy only boot? You aren't worried about efi?
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11:54<jalt>not right now
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11:55<somiaj>jalt: I would suggest getting your hands on the xfce live image then, I'm positive this works for that
11:55<mashiro>is there a unetbootin in debian repos?
11:55<somiaj>jalt: note you don't have to boot the live image to install, at the start of the live image boot you have an option to boot directly into the installer (which is the suggested method to install from the live image)
11:56<somiaj>mashiro: it was removed due to the fact that it cloobers debian install images. It should not be used for debian .iso images.
11:56<jalt>i would rather prefer to use the official non-live isos
11:56<somiaj>,v unetbootin
11:56<judd>Package: unetbootin on amd64 -- squeeze: 471-2; wheezy: 575-1; sid: 608-1
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11:57<mashiro>is there an alternative for unetbootin for debian?
11:57<mashiro>I want the stable one
11:57<somiaj>mashiro: what do you mean?
11:57<somiaj>mashiro: you want the stable what?
11:57<somiaj>mashiro: debian iamges do not require unetbootin. Just copy the image to the boot device, it is that easy.
11:57<mashiro>I mean I want something that don't mess up
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11:57<mashiro>oooh
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11:57<mashiro>tnx that's it
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11:58<somiaj>mashiro: cp debian.iso /dev/sdc (if /dev/sdc is your usb drive) is all you have to do
11:58<somiaj>just make sure you do it as root, and make sure you point it at the correct drive (This is very destruvtive to the drive)
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11:58<mashiro>are all partition type supported for that command?
11:59<somiaj>mashiro: you are not copying the file onto a partition
11:59<somiaj>mashiro: you are copying it onto the 'device' the .iso contains its own partition table and will create a new partition table on the disk
11:59<mashiro>is it gpt or mbr?
11:59<somiaj>mashiro: its a hybrid image, the partition table doesn't matter
12:00<somiaj>mashiro: it supports both legacy and efi boot.
12:00<mashiro>oh tnx
12:00<somiaj>mashiro: it can be coppied to both harddrives, usb drives and cdroms and be bootable (they are very nice images)
12:00<somiaj>usually youy can partiion the remainig space, but I'm unsure why it isn't working.
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12:00<mashiro>gparted shud be fine
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12:00<mashiro>in editing the partition
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12:01<somiaj>sure, there are many tools to do this.
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12:01<somiaj>the issue is the partitiontable isn't allowing cfdisk or gparted to mess with it, which is new to me, I haven't ran into this before. I'm trying to track down the issue
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12:03<somiaj>jalt: I'm unsure what the issue is. I know this has worked for me before, but I could be recalling only using the live iamges.
12:05<jalt>it is less of an issue of getting it to work and more finding out whether it should work. if it should, then it's a bug.
12:05<somiaj>jalt: according to the install guide it should work. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
12:06<jalt>hmm: https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2010/05/msg00123.html and http://www.syslinux.org/archives/2009-December/013920.html
12:06<somiaj>jalt: under 4.3.1 it says, "The hybrid image on the stick does not occupy all the storage space, so it may be worth considering using the free space to hold firmware files or packages or any other files of your choice. This could be useful if you have only one stick or just want to keep everything you need on one device."
12:06<jalt>yes somiaj, i linked that before :)
12:09<mashiro>tnx guys for help :)
12:10<somiaj>jalt: I think it is a bug, but it may just be a bug with the install guide and it needs to be updated that it is not easy to put a second partition on the hybrid iso images, or there is something we ar emissing and it should be added to the install guide in my opinion
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12:10<jalt>http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=13581
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12:13<somiaj>jalt: things like that may work, though be careful, debian .iso don't use selinux afiak and they may be a little different than the iso-hybrid (they are iso-hybrid, but they are also efi/legacy hibred as well)
12:13<somiaj>jalt: but I dont know of any quick fix, I just know it worked just fine when I last did it with the live iamges
12:14<jalt>yeah, i wasn't planning on doing, just seeing who to blame, and apparetly it is debian for not explaining/documenting their isohybrid options
12:14<somiaj>seems to be the issue to me too. The install guide doens't correctly describe how to put a third partition on the image it ships
12:15<somiaj>that wording comes directly from the wheezy install guide, could be possible something changed between the two making it not work.
12:17<lindi->somiaj: what has SELinux to do with this?
12:17<somiaj>downloading a wheezy image to see if it works as expected
12:17<somiaj>lindi-: nothing, just the forum posts jalt talked about selinux and isohybrid, so I was suggesting that info may not work for debian.
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12:18<jalt>i will also try with a larger (4GB) pendrive, just in case
12:18<somiaj>jalt: I'm using a 2gb pendrive with the 400meg netinstall image and getting the same issue
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12:19<jalt>hmm i had a Xubuntu 14.04 4GB usbstick (same isohybrid technology) and same problem
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12:25<london>in linux|mint there is an update manager icon or logo next to the clock. Is this also available for debian 8.3 ... Tried google but not very clear
12:25<somiaj>jalt: I'm going to check if anyone in #debian-installer knows what the issue coudl be.
12:25<somiaj>!mint
12:25<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
12:25<somiaj>london: oh sorry, I missread yoru question.
12:25<jalt>already asked in #debian-boot where to file a bug :P
12:25<somiaj>london: what desktop do you use in debian?
12:26<somiaj>jalt: the psudo package debian-installer might be a place to start, thoguh the bug might be against the install guide and not the installer itself.
12:26<london>I ran cinnamon from setup but its a bog standard debian somiaj as in I just grabbed the light version
12:26<jalt>that's what i was trying to figure out before filing, if it's docs only or actually fixable in the installer process
12:27<jalt>guess it can always be reassigned later on
12:27<somiaj>london: looking up the new package name.
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12:27<somiaj>london: the package use to be called update-notifier (this was an icon that would let you know you had updates in gnome)
12:28<somiaj>london: it is now called 'gnome-packagekit', so I'm unsure how well it works outside of gnome.
12:28<london>oh cool ill google thanks for help
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12:31<london>somiaj, thank yuovery much for help that is exactly the package I was after much appreciated bro
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12:55<neo>hi
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12:56<lostatwork>hello neo
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13:44<hdh>hi
13:44<hdh>hello
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13:53<jemadux>why on firefox the fonts are ungly ?
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13:56<mtn>jemadux: you can change the fonts, if you don't like them
13:57<jemadux>mtn: i mean the antialliasing ..how to do that
13:57<mtn>jemadux: that sort of thing is controlled by your desktop environments settings. what are you using?
13:57<jemadux>gnome
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13:57<mtn>jemadux: open tweak tool
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13:59<babilen>jemadux: I found that it improves quality massively if I run "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and select "Autohinter", "Automatic" and "No"
13:59<babilen>Well .. massively might be stretching it, but I prefer "Autohinter" over "Native"
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14:00<jemadux>mtn: thanks buddy
14:00<mtn>jemadux: welcome
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14:06<babilen>jemadux: Did tinkering with the fontconfig settings make a difference?
14:07<jemadux>yes .. i made a fontconfig on ~/config/fontconfig/font.conf but not result
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14:08<babilen>That's not what I suggested .. but you think that it'll have the same effect?
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14:12<jemadux>in my debian installation i made in greek language but i want have in home folder the English names ..how to change that ?
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14:15<babilen>jemadux: So the fonts have been sorted out?
14:15<jemadux>babilen: yeah with gnome-tweak-tool
14:16<babilen>jemadux: Set it in .config/user-dirs.locale
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14:16<babilen>jemadux: What did you set?
14:17<babilen>(it == the language you want, e.g. "en_GB")
14:17<babilen>Oh, and install the xdg-user-dirs and, if you like, xdg-user-dirs-gtk
14:18<babilen>The latter provides a GUI for tinkering with this
14:18<babilen>Ah, no .. it doesn't. That was just wishful thinking. Install both and edit .config/user-dirs.locale
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14:33<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like a help from yours. I forgot how to update youtube-dl, for that I can't download files through youtube. http://paste.debian.net/691527/
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14:53<sky_king>I have a 3 dvd set for debian jessie 8.2.Can I use jigdo to download the update dvd's to catch the Installed result upto 8.4?
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15:17<sky_king>Where should I ask?
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15:25<petn-randall>If people would stay more than 2 minutes, they actually might get an answer ...
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15:46<nezZario>Oh boy.. Well I've been having issues out of this pc for a while. It had lost some data from a power outage and was on its last leg already
15:47<nezZario>Just now the UI (x+xfce) got really unresponsive and I couldn't even get to a terminal so I had to do a hard reboot. Now when it boots I'm getting a little blunt cursor in the upper left, nor even hitting grub
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15:49<nezZario>Any chance I could do anything to get this bugger to boot up? I have backups but really short on time.. Definitely don't want to go thru a reindtall/restore right now.
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15:50<nezZario>Guess I'll boot up a net install USB that's all I have
15:50<somiaj>Try a live system and recover from that?
15:51<somiaj>the netinstall will give you a minimal shell you can do some things from
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15:52<nezZario> Fwiw I the 2 (4) drives in here are mirrored so pretty sure it's not a physical disk issue
15:52<nezZario>Yep wish me luck I guess.. Thanks
15:55<nezZario>I was planning on doing a reinstall this weekend anyway. All of my problems (which have been a LOT) were a result from sudden power losses.. Breakers getting thrown, etc. (which is an issue itself but not for here)... What I can software wise to help ext4 partitions survive sudden power losses without data loss?
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15:56<nezZario>I'm going to ask my boss for a UPS but I'd very much like to do all I can to prevent this from happening again. I mean maybe I should use btrfs?
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15:57<nezZario>Is there anything I can do? No idea if btrfs will handle it better I'm willing to try anything though
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15:58<sney>afaik btrfs is still too early technology to have much in the way of fault tolerance
15:58<sney>zfs is okay at it, though it's only available via dkms so using it for a root fs requires some hoop jumping
16:01<nezZario>I've used zfs on Debian and it felt pretty unstable. That was a while ago though,.. And iirc there were two implementations maybe I was using the lesser of the two
16:01<petn-randall>You got data loss on ext4? I never really lost more than the data that's currently being written to.
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16:03<nezZario>I got pretty severe data loss a few weeks ago yes.. Lost a bunch of apt directories (+ the backups in var backups) which made it impossible to install/upgrade via apt. Plus tons of other stuff
16:03<nezZario>And of course that's when I discovered my nightly backups hadn't been running since January
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16:04<petn-randall>nezZario: Did you check if the system itself isn't faulty? Could be some RAM that regularly flips some bits.
16:05<nezZario>My guess is some kind of pointer to a pointer? It was far more than what was just being written to.. And yea i actually checked the Ram a few weeks ago for a separate issue
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16:06<nezZario>I've had a lot of power outages here recently though. I figured I just got unlucky and it was in the middle of writing some kind of important fs structure
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16:11<petn-randall>nezZario: That's what the ext4 journal is for. And the write-intent bitmap of your RAID1.
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16:20<nezZario>petn-randall: then why the data loss? I thought it was still pretty possible to screw stuff up even with the the journal. I do have raid1 like I said, but it is mdadm.. Maybe I misconfigured something?
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16:21<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I have a problem with 'youtube-dl' update: http://paste.debian.net/691745/
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16:22<R4F_Debian>Hope anyone can help me to fix this issue. I did this procedure some time ago, but didn't save instructions by accident, and forgot the procedure. Thanks, since now
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16:27<nezZario>Well R4F_Debian, it sort of tells you what to do
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16:28<nezZario>It honestly looks a very software specific issue.. looks like youtube may have changed their player's javascript too much for that app to download from youtube... so may want to follow the instructions and report that bug
16:28<petn-randall>nezZario: Do you have a journal enabled? You can check that with 'tune2fs -l /dev/yourfilesystem'. Check the filesystem features that it has 'has_journal'.
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16:29<R4F_Debian>well nezZario, hope anyone already knows about it and help me here to fix this issue
16:29<nezZario>petn-randall: weirdest thing, I literally just came here to say -- I got it to boot just now. I'm using it as of the "Well R4F_" .. message
16:30<nezZario>I went into the bios boot menu and instead of booting from the default side of my RAID, I booted from the alternate disk and it came right up (after a normal fsck)
16:30<nezZario>Which when that happened I thought oh well that disk must've just went out then , .. but /proc/mdstat says all 4 disks are fine (UU, UU)
16:31<nezZario>I have no clue, .. I'm tempted to reboot and see if it'll reboot from that disk now ...
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16:32<nezZario>petn-randall: yes they all have journals
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16:33<nezZario>although the /boot partition is ext3... while / and 2 Non-OS partitions on the separate set of mirrored disks are ext4
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16:38<petn-randall>nezZario: For the RAID1 you can check /proc/mdstat. If there is a line starting with "bitmap:", it has a write-intent bitmap.
16:39<nezZario>uhh i do not have a write intent bitmap.
16:39<nezZario>I am going to assume that's a big problem
16:40<nezZario>http://paste.debian.net/691808/
16:40<petn-randall>nezZario: It's not a big problem. But you might want to enable it, at a loss of write speed, making it more safe.
16:40<nezZario>wait
16:40<nezZario>yes I do
16:40<nezZario>just not on md6
16:41<nezZario>Ok well I do have it on md5 and md1 which are / and a huge /backup/ partition
16:41<nezZario>which / is what suffered all the data loss
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18:17<dean_>Hey i just installed debian jessie from a net install. My resolution is stuck at 800x600. Can't change it. I created a xorg.conf as stated here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=57790 but it has not worked. Anyone got a suggestion? I really like debian. Finally switched back from ubuntu.
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18:18<musca>hi dean_
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18:18<musca>what graphics hardware do you use?
18:19<dean_>Hi musca. i have AMD radeon r5 built in to my laptop.
18:21<musca>dean_: please delete your xorg.conf (or rename it) and install firmware-linux-nonfree (from the non-free section)
18:21<musca>!empty xorg.conf
18:21<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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18:23<dean_>Downloading now. Thanks Musca. I've a poor connection. Let you know if it works :]
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18:27<dean_>musca Thank you! it works. Looks so much better :d
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20:16<k-man>how do i customize what fn+up and fn+down do on a notebook keyboard? afaict, they do give different scan codes when pressed with fn
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20:31<themill>!multimedia keys
20:31<dpkg>Multimedia keys are the special keyboard keys for doing such things as changing the volume or launching your web browser. Check to see if these keys generate a scan code using xev and set the keyboard layout correctly or assign them to a shortcut with xmodmap, systemsettings, gnome-control-panel etc. See also <pbbuttons>, <tpb>. See http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html
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21:12<^CrYpTo^>ok so i took the big leap
21:12<^CrYpTo^>i switched over to debian
21:13<somiaj>Many seem to like it once they get use to how debian policy does things.
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21:53*ryouma never used a non-debian linux distro
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21:59<^CrYpTo^>still over here working on getting everything running
21:59<^CrYpTo^>messing with this damn flash player
21:59<^CrYpTo^>i need to write and updated install
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23:11<awwal>Trying to change the default blue color for title bar & scroll bar of clearlooks-phenix-theme but dont know how. any clue?
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23:52<cow>hi , this post is wriitrn by a new debian 8 on Raspberry pi 2
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