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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-06-01

---Logopened Wed Jun 01 00:00:37 2016
---Daychanged Wed Jun 01 2016
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01:16<twb>Is there a simple command to say "find symlinks in /srv/foo/bar that ultimately resolve to places outside /srv/foo/bar" ?
01:17<twb>I guess I can just run readlink -f on all symlinks in there
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01:22<twb>yeah that's good enough for now
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02:06<library>u['hu
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05:14<blathijs>Hey folks. Anyone have any clue what could cause /var/lib/apt/lists/partial to fill up with failed downloads? I have apt periodic running, but that shows succesful downloads with verbose mode. Also, looking at the filenames, it seems the failures happen at unexpected times (e.g. ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_non-free_source_Sources.diff_2016-05-27-1458.22.FAILED suggests 14:58 to me), while
05:14<blathijs>apt-periodic runs around 06:00 through cron.daily. Replacing apt-get with a shell script that logs invocations only shows the invocations from cron.daily, so there must be something else than apt-get update that updates these files. This is a Jessie system.
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05:16<blathijs>(it's a headless system, so it's not some desktop environment update tool)
05:17<twb>blathijs: that .diff sounds like an upstream "pdiff"
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05:17<twb>i.e. it's when ftp.nl.d.o updated from *its* upstream, rather than when you updated from it.
05:18<twb>er, no
05:18<twb>But it's a diff so your apt-get update doesn't have to download the whole Sources file
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05:19<blathijs>twb: Right, but apparently it fails every so often, and keeps the partial files filling up my / partition
05:19<twb>e.g. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/non-free/Contents-amd64.diff/
05:19<twb>I don't know why it's failing tho
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05:20<blathijs>twb: But I'm mostly trying to figure out who is triggering these updates, so I can figure out where to look for logs or add debugging info
05:20<twb>blathijs: /etc/cron.daily/apt ?
05:20<twb>are you running debian stable ?
05:21<blathijs>twb: Yes, stable. Like I said, cron.daily runs at the wrong time. And also, cron.daily verbose output shows the update is succesful.
05:22<blathijs>So I suspect something else is also triggering updates
05:22<twb>the apt cron job runs at a randomized time to avoid DDOSing the mirror
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05:22<twb>Not sure if that's relevant tho
05:23<twb>I'm talking about the job that ships with apt itself; is apt-periodic a separate thing?
05:23<twb>Yeah /etc/cron.daily/apt here which refers to APT::Periodic::Enable &c in apt.conf
05:23<peter1138>Speaking of diffs... how is that turned on/off?
05:24<twb>peter1138: no idea
05:24<twb>peter1138: just deleting the local cache (/var/cache/apt/ IIRC) does it as a side effect for the next apt-get update
05:26<blathijs>twb: Yeah, that's the one I was also referring to. Also, I don't think the randomization is significant, using my wrapper script I see two calls to apt-get happen, on at 6:25 and one between 6:38 and 6:54 (so that's probably the randomization)
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05:27<blathijs>Looking at my process list, I also don't see any suspicious daemons that might trigger apt updates: https://gist.github.com/matthijskooijman/7f9304cb0114caebcb486e1ee5a56c57 (or would systemd perhaps do this? Perhaps through some service file?)
05:28<ansgar>blathijs: cron? :)
05:28<twb>I have a feeling in stretch the cron.daily got replaced by a .timer unit
05:28<twb>I couldn't find the config just then
05:29<twb>Ah here it is
05:29<twb>http://sprunge.us/jhNf
05:29<twb>...that's what happens when you install a few packages :/
05:30<blathijs>ansgar: I looked through the cronjobs, nothing suspicious there either (outside of cron.daily, there's only mdadm and sysstat)
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05:31<twb>systemctl list-unit-files --all -t timer
05:32<blathijs>twb: systemctl list-timers only shows systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer for me
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05:32<twb>k
05:32<twb>(To be clear, that paste was from stretch, not jessie)
05:32<blathijs>Ah, that adds mdadm-last-resort@.timer and systemd-readahead-done.timer, neither suggest they would update apt
05:33<blathijs>journalctl doesn't show anything relevant around the failure times either it seems
05:33<twb>if you have coworkers, check places like /var/spool/cron :/
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05:38<jm_>!pdiff
05:38<dpkg>The <apt> package manager supports "pdiff" files that allow apt-get/aptitude/synaptic to download diffs of the repository's Packages files instead of downloading the entire file every time. To disable use of pdiffs for one run, «apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs="false"». To permanently disable, add «Acquire::PDiffs "false";» to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98nopdiff
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05:40<peter1138>Indeed. I just wonder what it is that seems to automatically enable it on some systems.
05:40<jm_>pdiffs? isn't it the default?
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05:42<blathijs>Seems /var/spool/cron is also empty, so it's not that
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05:50<jkp>Am I lucky that is a preseed wizard online :)
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06:35<damien>do a double blink
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06:41<damien>hello guest2762
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06:42<aborrero>anyone here uses bind9 DNS zones with serial 0?
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06:43<duclicsic>aborrero: from my understanding it would make little sense to do that, why?
06:43<aborrero>duclicsic: I'm also looking for the why
06:43<duclicsic>in fact as soon as you altered the file it would need to change anyway
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06:44<duclicsic>the serial number has to increment each time you modify the zone
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06:45<duclicsic>i suppose if you'd created a new zone and were hosting it for the first time ever, you could have a serial of 0
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06:46<hendry>hi there, is there a way of ignoring a bad `apt-get update` http://s.natalian.org/2016-06-01/1464777943_1048x1036.png ?
06:47<hendry>nevermind, apt-get update || true # will work no doubt
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06:49<grove>hendry: But you're doing something wrong if you have to ignore that failure
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06:56<duclicsic>that is truly a bad solution if ever i saw one. your apt-get install is only failing to execute because you've made it conditional on the update succeeding
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06:57<duclicsic>just replace the && with ; if you don't care about the failure, but really you should address why it's failing.
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07:21<sheldong>will firefox be added to Jessie's repos....and when will that be?
07:23<Brigo>sheldong, there is a repo for that
07:24<Brigo>sheldong, for backports: jessie-backports/firefox-release
07:24<sheldong>is an official Debian Repo?
07:24<Brigo>sheldong, the full line: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release
07:24<sheldong>ok ....Thanks
07:24<Brigo>not sure if official.
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07:25<Brigo>sheldong, this is the annouce: http://mozilla.debian.net/
07:25<sheldong>ok...but will firefox be added to the main repos in Jessie
07:26<jm_>it's provided by the firefox maintainer
07:26<sheldong>will i get firefox if I just wait
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07:26<Brigo>sheldong, i don't think so.
07:26<Brigo>jessie never gets new software, only updates
07:27<sheldong>i ask because when Iceweasel reaches end of life .......which is today i think......how will i get security updates to iceweasel
07:29<sheldong>i think firefox 38 end of life is May 31
07:29<Brigo>i guess debian maintainers will provide it.
07:30<bill-auger>we want the weasel back
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08:57<humanbsd>Hi everyone. I need help with my Debian Stretch installation. If run into this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825111 and I don't know how to resolve it. dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qtchooser_58-gfab25f1-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
08:57<humanbsd> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/qtchooser/qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf', which is also in package libqt5core5a:amd64 5.6.0+dfsg-2
08:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/825111 in src:qtbase-opensource-src (closed): «qtchooser: fails to install, trying to overwrite /usr/share/qtchooser/qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-05-23; last modified: 2016-05-25.
08:57<humanbsd>I try to sudo apt-get install -f qtchooser
08:57<petn-randall>Hi humanbsd, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next.
08:58<humanbsd>Hi petn-randall thank you for your response!
08:58<petn-randall>humanbsd: See you there :)
08:58<humanbsd>Oh sorry - I should have read the topic first :/.
08:58<Leandr-Os>Eu heim !!!
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09:00<Leandr-Os>vote kud.
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09:02<damien>yo
09:04<damien>debhelper: do you have any idea how to get the digital clock working in mint?
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09:05<damien>also, i wish to make my desktop more snazzy, any ideas?
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09:06<duclicsic>!mint
09:06<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
09:07<damien>it's debian based
09:07<damien>built off ubuntu
09:07<duclicsic>so are hundreds of other distros that we don't support here
09:07<damien>in a way it is
09:08<grove>!based on debian
09:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
09:09<damien>Correction; debian does not support mint but nevertheless it is still debian based, like ubuntu!
09:09<damien>do your research
09:09<grove>And we still don't support it here
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09:10<duclicsic>fortunately linux mint have their own irc channel where you don't have to argue about whether it's supported or not
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09:11<damien>it's not a case of arguing, i am just pointing out the facts
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09:11<duclicsic>we are well aware of the facts
09:11<damien>me too
09:11<petn-randall>!next
09:11<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
09:11<petn-randall>:)
09:12<damien>helpful i think not!
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09:14<damien>dpkg that's off topic
09:14<dpkg>damien: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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09:16<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
09:16<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
09:17<damien>i won't as long as you do not upset me
09:18<damien>i think dpkg is a bot
09:19<damien>look at it no emotion brutal comments
09:19<damien>inhuman
09:19<petn-randall>damien: Do you have a Debian support question?
09:19<damien>that things inhuman
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09:19<damien>get it out
09:21<petn-randall>damien: This is the Debian support channel. Unless you have a support question, or want to help others, keep the channel clear. If you want to chat, there are several better suited channels for this.
09:21<damien>have you informed dpkg of this also
09:21<themill>damien: that's enough, thanks.
09:21<damien>ill say when it's enough
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10:45<xubuntu>howwi can have Remastersys for Debian
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10:47<towo`>xubuntu, you can't
10:47<towo`>xubuntu, use ubuntu if you want thet useless tool
10:47<jathan>Try Respin http://www.remastersys.org/
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10:47<jathan>It is a fork of Remastersys
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13:12<__Chico25>Hi. I'm Joseph from Mallorca and I have a problem with flashplugin-nonfree update. I execute "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" but the flashplugin not update. Known problems? New update method?
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13:14<zyl>i have same problem with flash update, usually there is delay when debian system install newer version but this time is long.
13:14<zyl>*of flash
13:15<zyl>hmm, there might be unofficial parameters which might install newer version
13:16<__Chico25>In my case the update process finishes without download the files from adobe.com
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13:16<zyl>yes, that's the behavior at the moment
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13:19<rex>my debian jessie is lagging a lot lately...can anybody tell what should i do?
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13:22<rex>anyone?
13:22<__Chico25>rex: review your process list with the "top" command. If you don't have a process with much CPU/memory consumption, test your hard disk drives about broken sectors
13:23<rex>ok
13:23<rex>thank u
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13:25<rex>not much cpu/memory consumption
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15:08<tinto>is there anyone that is good when it comes to wifi issues in jessie?
15:09<mtn>!ask
15:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:10<tinto>Under installation the OS wanted to connect to wifi without issues, when i got in to desktop the wifi seemed to work for a minute but then it never worked again. Have tried most things I have found on internet. Wifi adapter rtl8821ae and wpa/wpa2 security
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15:11<mtn>tinto: unfortunately some of those chips don't work as well as they should. you should try a newer kernel from backports
15:11<musca>/usr/sbin/rfkill list
15:12<Stuf655454>Hello, I tried to use the pager on KDE but I have duplicated set of icons in my panel.
15:12<tinto>musca, aint a laptop and no that is all good
15:12<Stuf655454>Which means that if I set for 4 desktop, I have 4X2 icons.
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15:13<Stuf655454>How to fix that to just have your 4 icons with 4 desktops?
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15:16<mtn>tinto: install inxi and then run this in a terminal: inxi -Nn paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
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15:18<tinto>mntunfortunatly i dont have internet on debian, im on a win machine
15:19<mtn>tinto: can't use a lan connection? it will make it hard to install anything should you need to do so ;)
15:21<tinto>mtn, I know that but life aint so easy atm. and I dont have 15 meter cable or I would have :)
15:21<mtn>tinto: well, you better hope you don't need to install anything to fix your problem
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15:22<tinto>mtn, :)
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15:22<wget>Hi guys. I'm experiencing the same problem as the one that has just been described here: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1425595.html
15:23<wget>Could anyone try to fix the dependency problem as this is a blocking issue on my side.
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15:35<Stuf655454>I guess all the people here are seeking help and that's why it's dead while it's full?
15:36<Stuf655454>I know that feel, chans with miles of join/deco.
15:36<Stuf655454>And me in the middle.
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15:39<mtn>Stuf655454: if no one has an answer for you, it will be quiet ;)
15:40<Stuf655454>Yeah but the dilemma is that I don't know if they don't have an answer or if they are too busy to give it to me.
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15:41<Stuf655454>In fact, like it's my first time tweaking KDE, I don't know if it's by design or just a bug.
15:41<Stuf655454>I am used to ask noob question you can resolve in two seconds.
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15:41<mtn>wget: can python-letsencrypt be installed from backports?
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15:42<mtn>Stuf655454: if they were busy answering questions you would see the questions and answers. looks kinda quiet to me ;)
15:43<Stuf655454>I am talking about IRL business.
15:43<wget>mnt yep. But actually, from debian-devel-fr, the problems comes from the fast the lestencrypt client is now known as certbot.
15:43<wget>But the latter is not installable neither, as some deps are not met too.
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15:44<taloho>would you rather install postgresql-9.5 from the debian backports or from the postgresql.org apt sources? I'm running Debian 8
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15:45<mtn>taloho: it is always best to use debian repos where possible
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15:46<taloho>mtn: do you mean I'd be better off going with the backports or rather that I should stick to official Debian stable packages?
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15:46<mtn>taloho: I mean don't use postgresql.org apt sources
15:47<mtn>taloho: backports is hosted on the normal debain repos
15:47<taloho>mtn: okay, thank you. then I'll go with the backports
15:47<mtn>servers
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15:52<appl3s>Hi, is there any reason to not place my website's root directory under user's home directory, i.e. /home/$USER/example.com/html, instead of /var/www/example.com/html? (I would like to do this because it's much easier to access and pretty straightforward once I am logged in as the user)
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15:53<mtn>appl3s: what is the purpose of this "website"? are you going to serve it to the net?
15:53<appl3s>yes
15:54<mtn>appl3s: I don't know for sure, but I think it has to be in /var/www. the documentations should tell you
15:54<appl3s>mtn: that's just the default documented location; not stated as a preference anywhere afaik
15:55<appl3s>(and hence my question to find out any issues that could arise)
15:55<mtn>appl3s: the web server has to know where to look for the files, so it can serve them
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15:55<appl3s>mtn: of course, I'd have to configure that anyway :) that isn't the problem
15:55<taloho>mtn: you can point the webserver to the directory you want
15:56<appl3s>^ exactly
15:56<blast007>the webserver would need to be able to read the files, so keep that in mind
15:56<mtn>appl3s: sounds like taloho has your answer
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15:56<taloho>I've run nginx for a bit with the data stored in my home directory, didn't notice anything wrong
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15:56<appl3s>could partitions etc cause any problems?
15:56<taloho>I also used symlinks and that worked fine as well
15:57<taloho>no idea about partitions and such as I was running it on a vps
15:57<appl3s>ok
15:57<taloho>still, it should just work
15:57<taloho>just don't run the server as root and you should be fine
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15:59<appl3s>I got all that sorted, yeah
15:59<appl3s>just to give some perspective, I ask because I just read a question as to why root's home directory is under / (i.e. /root) and not at /home/root and the reason given is that /home is usually on a diff partition, blah, blah, blah; I don't have the technical knowledge to make sense of that, so I wanted to know if using user's home to serve website's root directory is a good idea
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16:02<taloho>it shouldn't really make any difference to the webserver
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16:02<appl3s>ok
16:02<taloho>as long as the files are accessible by the user running the server, it should be able to serve them
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16:02<appl3s>got it, thanks for the help taloho :)
16:03<taloho>no problem
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16:06<ismael>I've updated myself into a corner. I'm in the middle of dist-upgrade, I have an ancient linux-image installed which I can't uninstall because libc isn't completely installed. http://paste.debian.net/713289/ . What should I do?
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16:08<blast007>are you specifically trying to remove that kernel, or is that part of what 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is doing?
16:08<ismael>blast007: dist upgrade is doing it
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16:09<blast007>and what are you upgrading from and to? was the system fully upgraded before you started this?
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16:10<ismael>blast007: it's mostly an outdated testing. It wasn't upgraded, I tried to update all but failed so I tried dist-upgrade
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16:12<blast007>probably easiest to just backup and start over then
16:13<blast007>that's quite an upgrade leap you attempted
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16:13<ismael>blast007: I know, i know... I shouldn't do things like that, but i like using testing :)
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16:14<blast007>testing is for users that are very familiar with Debian and are willing to get their hands dirty when (not if) it breaks
16:14<blast007>also, the testing support channel is #debian-next
16:15<ismael>blast007: I don't think it's a debian-testing specific problem. I don't know why I still had that old package lingering around. I'll ask there if you think it's more appropiate
16:16<blast007>was that your active kernel? or had you had a newer one on there too?
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16:17<ismael>blast007: I'm on kernel 4.5.
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16:19<ismael>blast007: I convinced aptitude to not delete lin-img 2.6, but since it already tried, now it wants to download it :@
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16:20<blast007>you said "outdated testing", so how outdated did you mean if you're running kernel 4.5?
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16:25<ismael>blast007: I think I updated the kernel but not *all* the other packages. Right now I blew the postrm from lin-img... I think that ""fixed"" it
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16:27<ismael>"Don't do this at home" :)
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16:44<pi>Howdy, can I ask about Raspberry Pi things here?
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16:44<jmcnaught>pi: if you're running Debian on it then yes of course. If you're running Raspbian on it, you should ask in #raspbian on chat.freenode.net
16:44<petn-randall>!raspbian
16:44<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
16:45<pi>Ah, I see. Thank you.
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17:56<mtift_>I'm running Debian testing on my ThinkPad T450 and "tap-to-click" stopped working on my trackpad. I'm trying to figure out if it's a known bug, but don't know which package to search in on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/. Any advice for me?
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17:57<jmcnaught>mtift: please ask in #debian-next, this channel is for stable support :)
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17:58<mtift>jmcnaught: ok, will do. Sorry.
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18:25<spacemanspiff>Has anybody got the latest CUDA (7.5) working on debian? I'm looking at getting TensorFlow running on my GPU.
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18:34<eagle91>hola
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19:52<jedix>dang. The port to ps3 I'm trying to install does not appear to be mirrored and the site is down
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20:25*Celelibi just reported yet another bug.
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21:02<junior_>Hello
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21:03<jmcnaught>junior_: hi
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21:13<gordo>is firefox coming to debian jessie repos...or do i have to manually install it?
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21:14<jmcnaught>gordo: it will probably reach jessie when there's a security issue that cannot be backported to iceweasel 38
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21:15<jmcnaught>iceweasel is firefox, just rebranded, but if you want to run a newer firefox there is:
21:15<jmcnaught>!mdn
21:15<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable.
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21:16<gordo>if i do that would that not cause a conflict when firefox reaches the official main repo?
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21:26<jmcnaught>gordo: i don't know how the transition from iceweasel to firefox will happen in the main repository. if you're worried you can always stick with iceweasel for now
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21:35<gordo>OK......thanks much jmnaught
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23:54<h00ked>morning
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