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---Logopened Thu Jun 02 00:00:23 2016
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00:00<h00ked>finally found problems on my wheezy. There was some kind of mess (i think it was up from squeeze) - dovecot made problems with sendmail and PHP mail()
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00:29<azzamsa> - what is your way to install Firefox on Debian stable,
00:29<azzamsa>1. Linux Mint Repository
00:29<azzamsa>2. Source Tarball
00:29<azzamsa>3. Debian Mozilla team.
00:29<azzamsa>I think the first choice is not good idea ( to mix mint and debian ) as described in "Don't break Debian".
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00:30<azzamsa>- what is your way to install Firefox on Debian stable,1. Linux Mint Repository 2. Source Tarball 3. Debian Mozilla team.I think the first choice is not good idea ( to mix mint and debian ) as described in "Don't break Debian".- now Debian testing shipped with Firefox again, i don't know why stable still use Iceweasel.thanks
00:31<jmcnaught>azzamsa: indeed, mixing distros or even releases of debian is not a good idea. If you're not happy with Iceweasel (which is Firefox just rebranded) use the instructions at http://mozilla.debian.net/
00:31<jmcnaught>azzamsa: jessie was released before the mozilla issue was resolved, and debian stable releases don't change much if at all
00:32<jmcnaught>azzamsa: once there's a security issue that cannot be backported to iceweasel 38 jessie might switch to firefox
00:33<azzamsa>jmcnaught:thanks so much for detailed answer , i am really happy with this answer.
00:33<spwhitton>jmcnaught: I'm pretty sure that firefox will reach jessie when the next ESR release of firefox comes out
00:33<spwhitton>(I thought it already had?)
00:34<azzamsa>Jmcnaught: oh that was the reason , "jessie was released before the mozilla issue was resolved". would you like to point me out the link of firefox issue, i want to read it :)
00:34<jmcnaught>firefox 45 is the current ESR release
00:35<jmcnaught>azzamsa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006
00:35<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-05-21.
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00:39<azzamsa>jmcnaught:thanks lot
00:40<azzamsa>judd: thanks lot
00:40<azzamsa>i am really happy to meet debian team here, i hope i can contribute soon :).
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01:01<bill-auger_>save the weasel --> https://notabug.org/desktopd/iceweasel-branding/
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01:08<vortek>hoow do you update flashplayer in debian?
01:09<Parckwart>vortek: Exactly the way you update any software.
01:09<jm_>update-flashplugin-nonfree
01:09<jm_>or update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree
01:10<jm_>depending on which you use
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01:11<somiaj>Parckwart: flashplayer dosent get upgraded by apt-get upgrade usually, you have to manuallly run the scripts.
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01:30<vortek>thanxs
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01:37<vortek>i got a friend who cant view flash sites in iceweasel he even ran the update-flashplugin-nonfree --install command
01:38<vortek>i ran it my selft too hehe
01:38<vortek>but everything works for me
01:38<vortek>and he updated his system 20 mins ago
01:38<jm_>try ctrl-shift-a then click on plugins, see if it shows up/is enabled
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01:39<vortek>ok
01:41<somiaj>vortek: or type about:plugins (think that still works)
01:41<vortek>k
01:41<vortek>thanxs
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03:30<CF>Hello everyone!
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04:43<Fenhl>hello. I would like to set up my debian root server to send cron mail for all accounts to email addresses hosted on another server (which I don't have root access to, but is running qmail I believe). I have never touched anything email-related. Where do I start?
04:45<jm_>you can specify TO for cron via MAILTO line in cron jobs
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04:50<Fenhl>jm_: can you clarify? I'm not finding any relevant tutorials or documentation
04:50<jm_>Fenhl: man 5 crontab
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04:55<Fenhl>jm_: that appears to be limited to the user whose cronjobs are being run. That would be okay as a first step, but is there a way to set this globally?
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04:56<jm_>Fenhl: what do you mean with limited to the user?
04:56<Fenhl>jm_: well if I throw this line into the crontab for root, it will only apply to root's cronjobs, so I'd have to edit this into every single crontab
04:57<jm_>Fenhl: yes, surely you don't want to send all cron outputs to the same address
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04:58<Fenhl>jm_: what if I want to send cron output for <user> to <user>@fenhl.net?
04:59<jm_>Fenhl: then you'll specify that as user <user> when running crontab -e like MAILTO=<user>@fenhl.net
05:00<Fenhl>I also know that this is possible without modifying every single crontab because another server I have access to has this working. Unfortunately the admin who set this up doesn't remember how they did it
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05:02<jm_>well sure with modern MTA-s I guess one can do it there too
05:02<Fenhl>jm_: actually, maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way. Is it possible for some other system component to forward all of the mail that cron (and other programs, if any) produces on the default setting to an account it has SMTP access to?
05:02<grawity>yes, such programs are called "MTAs" as well
05:02<jm_>Fenhl: yeah the dumb approach is to do it with mail forwarding
05:02<duclicsic>you can just add email aliases
05:03<grawity>you can configure exim4 or postfix to relay everything through another SMTP server; there are dozens of tutorials for Gmail etc.
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05:03<grawity>there are dedicated ones, like msmtp or ssmtp or esmtp
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05:03<jm_>or you can relay it over some other MTA etc.
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05:04<jm_>i'll be back a bit later
05:04<grawity>(the general term is "relay host" or "smarthost")
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05:05<Fenhl>ah, I just found ssmtp as well, I'll try that
05:05<grawity>I usually go with exim or postfix on servers (or, recently, opensmtpd)
05:05<grawity>and either exim or msmtp on PCs
05:06<grawity>(I don't like exim's config but it has a local queue when the network's down)
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05:13<Fenhl>grawity: can you describe how to configure something like I described using any of these? I've tried ssmtp and it's not working
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05:14<grawity>first test it manually: (echo "Subject: hi"; echo; echo "This is a test") | ssmtp fenhl@example.com
05:15<grawity>then do the same via '/usr/sbin/sendmail', which is used by cron and such: (echo "Subject: hi"; echo; echo "This is a test") | sendmail fenhl@example.com
05:15<grawity>dunno if ssmtp installs a sendmail symlink?
05:15<grawity>e.g. msmtp has it in a separate "msmtp-mta" package
05:15<Fenhl>I think it does, `sendmail -V` says ssmtp
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05:23<Fenhl>ah, it's working now (had the wrong port), thanks for the help everyone
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08:52<Sagitarius>Dotan - Home
08:53<Sagitarius>we coming home now
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09:31<Specialist>hi! i'm trying to switch keyboard layouts using debconf-set-selections followed by `dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive keyboard-configuration`. unfortunately dpkg-reconfigure seems to revert the selections previously made. any idea what's my mistake?
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09:33<Specialist>before running dpkg-reconfigure debconf-get-selections shows the new settings
09:36<themill>debconf does not store settings
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09:36<themill>debconf-set-selections only does something if you use it prior to installation
09:37<Specialist>ah, so reconfiguring won't be affected?
09:37<Specialist>so what would be the right way to non-interactively reconfigure the keyboard layout?
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09:38<Specialist>keyboard-configuration is already installed in the system image i have to deal with
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09:39<themill>You'll probably need to poke /etc/default/keyboard or /etc/default/console-setup
09:40<Specialist>that looks like it could work. thanks a lot!
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10:05<h00ked>well played debian, all data lost caused by ifs bug..., at least openVZ containers are backed and it was testing env...
10:06<h00ked>but... do you have anyone running debian with zfs and openVZ server? I have it actually on ext4, but i'm looking around
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10:29<benjamin_> Bonjour a tous , svp ca fzit plusieurs jours je galere a installer le jeu metal slug sur mon ubuntu 14 , merci d avance
10:30<petn-randall>!fr
10:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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10:30<benjamin_>ok merci
10:31<petn-randall>benjamin_: If you are using Ubuntu, you have to ask in the Ubuntu IRC channel.
10:31<petn-randall>!ubuntu
10:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
10:32<benjamin_>ok thank you for help
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11:26<marty>is localepurge working for any one in stretch?
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11:46<danielsh>marty, testing support in #debian-next
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11:58<marty>figured it out. There was a parameter missing in the config file.
11:58<marty>i will check that channel out
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12:53<anonymous>french
12:54<anonymous>hello
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13:28<lorenzo52>╻ ╻┏━┓╻ ┏━┓ ┏━┓ ╺┳╸┏━┓╺┳┓┏━┓┏━┓
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13:40<sparrow>hi, question, what to do / how to report a maintainer that is a jerk and shouldn't be there?
13:41<sparrow>there is a guy in Debian Quality Assurance happy with breaking packages and ranting at users giving nice reports
13:46<sney>good question
13:48<danielsh>when that happened to me, I pinged privately a debian developer whom I'd worked with previously.
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13:48<Maulkin>sparrow: Do you have a particular bug number?
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13:48<sparrow>danielsh, sounds good, but it won't work for me, I don't know any :)
13:48<sparrow>Maulkin, yes, 826090
13:49<sparrow>mate-terminal
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13:50<sparrow>(sorry, got disconnected, precisely because of that bug)
13:51<sney>devs and maintainers are sometimes rude to users, this is normal. and transitions sometimes break functionality in testing. this is also normal
13:51<danielsh>sparrow, looks like Santiago Vila has intervened and counterdicted the person in question
13:51<sparrow>what is not normal, and shouldn't be, is that tone
13:51<sparrow>plus clearly that maintainer doesn't know how things work
13:52<sney>it looks like they're already fighting it out in the bug, so I wonder why you came here
13:52<sparrow>danielsh, yes, and that's great of him
13:52<sparrow>sney, because this is beyond that bug, what I want to know is how to report such behavior
13:52<sparrow>sney, not the bug
13:52<danielsh>sparrow, there are three separate issues here: 1) bug in testing 2) uninformed maintainer 3) rude maintainer
13:52<danielsh>I guess Santiago will see to the first two
13:52<sparrow>danielsh, yes, I'm interested in 3
13:53<sparrow>danielsh, though I'm affected by the three, of course
13:53<danielsh>As to 3)... if there's a pattern of rude behaviour from a person, I would have someone more senior than him in the project spek to him privately.
13:53<sparrow>danielsh, good, how can it happen?
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13:54<danielsh>sparrow, I'm not sufficiently senior in debianland to make it happen myself.
13:54<sparrow>danielsh, sure, no problem, I'm just trying to find out
13:54<danielsh>sparrow, Related: http://www.producingoss.com/en/setting-tone.html#prevent-rudeness [there are other sections in that book about rudeness]
13:55<sparrow>danielsh, thanks, but that seems like something the rude guy should read
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13:56<sparrow>danielsh, not really mechanisms about how to notify about such behavior
13:56<sney>there is unfortunately rather a lot of precedent for developers to be rude in communication with users and each other (Linus and everyone involved in the systemd war being obvious examples) so tbh that's unlikely to change. Adrian needs to re-learn some policy stuff, apparently, but otherwise you should probably just go lick your wounds and forget about it
13:57<sparrow>sney, oh, that happens elsewhere, so it's not a problem
13:57<sparrow>sney, thanks, but I will not take your advice :)
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13:57*sney shrug
13:58<sney>well, suit yourself, but you are probably going to net 0 on this
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13:59<danielsh>sney, It's unfortunate that rudeness is the norm.
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13:59<sney>I agree.
13:59<sney>well, maybe not the norm, but still accepted
13:59<danielsh>It's like documentation... there are projects where full reference documentation is a norm.
14:00<danielsh>And projects where it's not
14:00<muri>sney: not sure, but maybe antiharassment@debian.org? (if not, i guess they can relay)
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14:01<muri>aeh, sorry, sparrow
14:01<sparrow>muri, cool, thanks!
14:01<sney>harassment might be off the mark? but there's no mediation body in debian besides the tech-ctte and they seem off the mark as well
14:02<danielsh>What about the gsoc / outreachy mentors? They might be able to help ?
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14:11<somiaj>sparrow: the bug report you linked seems to be someone wanting to pick a fight with the matainer more than address the bug. I do aggree that some people are a bith harsh in their responses (and sometimes they jump to conclusions due to workload), but on the other side I see people get over sensitive about the response.
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14:16<sparrow>somiaj, for reference, let me copy the link: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826090
14:16<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/826090 in mate-terminal (closed): «mate-terminal broken after todays upgrade (debian testing)»; severity: important; opened: 2016-06-02; last modified: 2016-06-02.
14:17<sparrow>somiaj, in any case, there must be some way to report inappropriate people
14:17<sparrow>which is what I am trying to find out :)
14:18<somiaj>sparrow: I agree with that, but in this case I don't agree that the matainer is inappropriate. A bit harsh, but then again as sney mentioned, it is something that is just accepted.
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14:18<sparrow>I don't mean it for that guy in particular, though I do think he is rude and doesn't know what he is talking about
14:18<sparrow>so quite an inappropriate person to be a maintainer, imho
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14:18<sparrow>but anyway, I am not interested in opinions about whether he is or not :)
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14:19<bloody>hello
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14:19<lupine>sparrow: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct has escalation procedure, which you're in breach of
14:20<lupine>I'd suggest exhausting that route before attempting to round up a posse or whatever
14:20<sparrow>lupine, which part in particular?
14:20<lupine>6.
14:20<sparrow>lupine, asking about how to report is a breach in a code of conduct?
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14:21<lupine>doing it in this manner, yes
14:22<sparrow>lupine, plus, point 6 doesn't say anything contrary to what I am saying
14:22<lupine>anyway, you've got your answer
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17:09<nicolas17>is apt-cacher-ng specific to apt repositories, or can it be used to cache other static files?
17:12<jmatos>Something weird just happened: I was upgrading some packages using aptitude, which I started interactively
17:12<jmatos>while upgrading, it prompted me to resolve a change to a configuration file that I had edited and the mainter updated
17:12<jmatos>I chose to drop into a shell by typing z, started emacs to resolve the conflict and then couldn't exit normally using C-x C-c. Emacs didn't seem to get the ^C character, so I exited with M-x kill-emacs instead and closed the shell.
17:12<jmatos>*maintainer
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17:13<jmatos>After this, aptitude (?) stopped the upgrades with the message "W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish"
17:15<jmatos>I guess aptitude caught the ^C I was trying to send emacs and took it for an attempt to abort whatever it was doing.
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17:35<petn-randall>nicolas17: It is only for apt repos.
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18:00<nicolas17>petn-randall: actually the documentation talks about mirroring cygwin, sourceforge, etc. I was wondering how *well* it's supported, how expiration works, etc
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18:04<petn-randall>nicolas17: The docs say: "The expiration code for Non-Debian/Ubuntu repositories is quite limited due to lack of man-power or know-how.", so I'm guessing that the support is virtually non-existant.
18:05<petn-randall>nicolas17: Tell us about the problem, not what the solution is you're thinking about.
18:05<nicolas17>I want to cache debian packages, npm packages, and docker images
18:05<spande>what's the recommended dlna server for debian ? I'll like my supposedly dlna reading samsung tv to play movies from it.
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18:06<petn-randall>spande: minidlna worked fine for me.
18:06<sney>I've used mediatomb in the past
18:06<spande>debian has minidlna, rygel, and dleyna-server
18:07<petn-randall>nicolas17: Looks like you want to use a proper web proxy.
18:07<spande>petn-randall, worked? as in on jessie?
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18:08<petn-randall>spande: I used it a two years ago to ad-hoc stream data to a "smart" TV, it took me only a few minutes to set up.
18:08<spande>cool
18:08<petn-randall>spande: IIRC it is feature-wise the smallest DLNA server, but the setup was straight-forward.
18:10<nicolas17>petn-randall: can squid be configured to use a single pool of .debs regardless of which mirror was accessed?
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18:11<petn-randall>nicolas17: No idea really. But why pool the problems together? Those are several different problems that have different best tools to fix it.
18:11<nicolas17>I'll have the same problem with *anything* that has multiple mirrors, not just apt
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18:16<petn-randall>nicolas17: Are you in control of the machines that access those mirrors?
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18:29<nicolas17>hm squid StoreID, I hadn't found that before
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19:08*grummund is trying to chroot to a raspbian partition from debian ...
19:09<grummund>i get a shell with: "chroot /mnt/chroot qemu-arm-static /bin/sh", then at the shell, ls returns "/bin/sh: 1: /bin/ls: Exec format error"
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19:10<grummund>so it looks like sh runs but ls doesn't
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19:12<petn-randall>grummund: Are you running the same architecture as the raspbian installatin?
19:13<petn-randall>s/installatin/installation/
19:13<nicolas17>petn-randall: that's what the qemu is for :)
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19:13<grummund>petn-randall: nope.
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19:14<nicolas17>is qemu-arm-static taken from inside or outside the chroot?
19:16<grummund>apt-get install qemu-user-static binfmt-support libc6:armhf
19:16<grummund>cp -v /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /mnt/chroot/usr/bin
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19:16<nicolas17>ah I see
19:16<grummund>nicolas17: pretty much that ^
19:17<petn-randall>qemu emulates ARMv7, whereas Raspberry Pi ARMv6. That's why you get this error.
19:17<nicolas17>I thought they were compatible in *that* direction
19:17<grummund>ah, so i should try armel?
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19:18<petn-randall>Disclaimer: I don't have a Pi, so I'm just guessing here.
19:18<nicolas17>raspbian is armv6 with hard float
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19:19<grummund>libc6:armel doesn't appear to exist anyway
19:20<nicolas17>it's weird that sh works and ls doesn't
19:20<grummund>nicolas17: yes quite
19:21<nicolas17>apparently some people managed to boot the full raspbian system
19:22<grummund>btw, bash gives the same error and sh only worked after installing libc6:armhf
19:22<nicolas17>with qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu arm1176
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19:23<nicolas17>(well and passing it a kernel image and all the stuff needed for a system boot)
19:23<nicolas17>but maybe the -M and -cpu help you?
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19:27<grummund>nicolas17: thanks. will experiment...
19:28<nicolas17>IIRC back when I tried it, some QEMU patches were needed for full-system booting to work
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20:04<grummund>nicolas17: ls *does* run, like this:
20:04<grummund>sudo chroot /mnt/chroot qemu-arm-static /bin/ls
20:04<nicolas17>hmph
20:04<nicolas17>so something about fork/exec is failing
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20:07<grummund>reading more about binfmt_misc i hazard a guess it is to do with that (or lack of)
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20:07<nicolas17>I guess fork/exec in qemu just tries to run a normal process in the host
20:07<nicolas17>so you need binfmt magic to make that run through another qemu instance
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20:08<grummund>and qemu-arm-static shouldn't really be needed when calling the chroot (but it only works for me with it)
20:08<nicolas17>no, that's the thing
20:09<nicolas17>if your binfmt stuff was set correctly, I think you won't need to use it explicirly for the first process either
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20:10<grummund>the smoking gun
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21:19<diefi>how do i install the h.264 codec for iceweasel?
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21:27<emind>????
21:27<emind>anyone?
21:27<emind>波波
21:27<emind>exit
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