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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-06-03

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01:41<sleser>hi guys
01:42<sleser>i use english virsion keyboard and debian . but sometimes i want to type something in russian using my english keyboard or mouse then copy that and paste in google
01:42<sleser>is there some app for this ?
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01:44<jm_>there are visual keyboards, then there's support for keyboard layout switching in X so you could simply switch it to russian layout, type, switch back
01:45<sleser>the switch one is there layout that will show whitch english key letter is russian letter ?
01:45<sleser>google show me or youtube show me
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01:50<jm_>the layout switcher apps don't show that AFAIK
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01:57<danielsh>you may find it easier to use a phonetic keyboard layout then, i.e., one where п is on the same key as 'p' rather than wherever it usually is
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02:01<sleser>is there something virtual keyboard
02:01<sleser>bsides going trough xorg tweaking
02:01<sleser>i just tried something like florence ones launched it the keyboard stoped working
02:02<sleser>and that was english virtual anyhow
02:03<sleser>something where i can use my mouse to choose the letters is also good . id like my english keyboard working as well
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02:06<lindi-_>sleser: try the character map application
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02:07<sleser>is there pakage name to it
02:08<sleser>or where do i use it
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02:09<lindi-_>sleser: in gnome you can hit the menu key and type "character map". The package is gucharmap and the binary is gucharmap if you want to start it from terminal
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02:09<jm_>xvkbd is a virtual keyboard
02:09<sleser>in kde that dosnt work
02:10<jm_>and many other packages
02:10<lindi-_>sleser: ?
02:11<sleser>gucharmap in kde from terminal didnt work
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02:11<sleser>lemy try the one jm mentioned
02:11<lindi-_>sleser: how did it fail?
02:11<sleser>just said command not found
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02:12<lindi-_>sleser: well you need to install the package of course, apt-get install gucharmap
02:12<sleser>oh ok
02:13<sleser>character map worked
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02:16<sleser>thanks for help
02:16<sleser>everything good now
02:16<sleser>:)
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02:33<grummund>hi, where might i find binfmts support for arm cpu?
02:34<grummund>apt file search /usr/share/binfmts/ didn't show anything likely
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02:35<grummund>this is to chroot onto a raspbian partition and run arm binaries with qemu
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02:38<themill>grummund: you should only need the qemu-user-static package for that (along with binfmt-support)
02:38<themill>https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi/qemu-user-static is a useful outline
02:39<grummund>themill: those are installed, and i followed that page ;)
02:39<grummund>update-binfmts --display has no mention of arm
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02:41<themill>I have a «qemu-arm (enabled):» entry there
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02:42<themill>Reading through that page, I don't recall doing anything that's not listed there
02:43<grummund>ok thanks for the info. at least it helps to know i'm on the right track
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02:44<themill>is the binfmt stuff being loaded on startup via your init system? Is the kernel module loaded?
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02:45<grummund>themill: do you also see /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm or suchlike?
02:45<themill>yes, that has the same info as --display
02:46<grummund>wtf, it wasn't there but it is now :-/
02:47<themill>\o/
02:48<grummund>bizarre
02:49<grummund>what i did was install qemu-user-binfmt (causing qemu-user-static to be removed), then i re-installed qemu-user-static (causing qemu-user-binfmt to be removed), and now /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/... has plentifull arm
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02:53<themill>the removal and reinstallation will have caused something to recheck what binfmts were available
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02:55<grummund>yes i think so. another small step... :)
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02:57<grummund>qemu now dumps core with Illegal instruction trying to run /bin/bash, but /bin/ls is ok which is more than before.
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03:14<grummund>woot woot. rm -v /mnt/chroot/etc/ld.so.preload fixed it \o/ :)
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03:24<jack_>hello
03:24<jack_>/whois $me
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07:27<Poenikatu>What is the difference between the packages libc6-dev-i386 and libc6-dev-x32? I'm wanting to develop 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system
07:29<jm_>!x32
07:29<dpkg>amd64 gives great improvement including an ability to directly address more than 4GB of ram, however for some algorithms the larger 64-bit pointers cause a significant slow-down due to poorer utilization of CPU cache. x32 allows 32-bit code on amd64 machines (only) that can use all the new features of amd64 including new registers. It was merged in Linux 3.4. http://lwn.net/Articles/456731/
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07:29<jm_>i386 is the traditional arch, x32 is the new thing
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07:30<jm_>I'd say you most certainly want i386 or you would know
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07:33<Poenikatu>jm_: So, for running 32-bit progs, I should use i386. So what is the point of x32?
07:34<jm_>Poenikatu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X32_ABI
07:34<jm_>also https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port
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07:37<Poenikatu>jm_: Many thanks for the links. Am reading!
07:37<jm_>no problem
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07:41<nicu>hi
07:41<nicu>smbd online?
07:41<jm_>!ask
07:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:03<vortek>whats a good webcam app?
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09:04<Maulkin>cheese?
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09:09<vortek>ok
09:09<vortek>yeah i found one
09:09<vortek>thanxs
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09:17<And1>Hey there. Very specific question, but maybe you can point me to the right direction. I want to read the binary states of a program’s allocated RAM. Like getting an output of all the cells with zeros and ones. Any idea on that?
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09:44<lindi-_>And1: for what purpose?
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09:45<And1>lindi-_: For a visualisation approach, in the end.
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09:50<Ruff>Hello I have a little issue, with Firefox on Debian Testing, the monospace fonts don't work with "font-family: monospace" but work with "font-family: mono" do you have an idea? thanks!
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10:08<Walex>And1: well, for the same program, just read it; for another program, use 'ptrace' or map '/proc/NNN/mem'
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10:09<Walex>Ruff: looks like the CSS pseudo-font 'monospace' is not well defined, while the FontConfig font 'mono' is defined.
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10:11<Ruff>how can I fix that?
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10:12<Ruff>in the .fonts.conf?
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10:15<Ruff>Help me, Walex you're my only hope
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10:27<And1>Walex: Thanks!
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10:34<JuanDosSantos>Hello, I installed debian 8.3 with default settings, my problem is that the grub2 menu doesn't apear...I can't change the kernel to boot...it boots so fast..and no grub menu is shown..why? grub configuration is default..
10:35<JuanDosSantos>its configured with efi
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10:36<musca>JuanDosSantos: You can change the timeout in /etc/default/grub and run "update-grub"
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10:37<JuanDosSantos>musca: Hi, the timeout is already set: GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
10:38<musca>hmm.
10:39<JuanDosSantos>musca: It looks like that the timeout is not applied..
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10:41<JuanDosSantos>musca: I don't realy know what the problem is...maybe somthing with efi?
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10:44<musca>well, does your system really boot with grub(-efi) or do you use some other method?
10:44<musca>does "efibootmgr -v" list something?
10:44<JuanDosSantos>musca: it boot with grub-efi
10:45<JuanDosSantos>musca: http://pastebin.com/TctwV5Vz
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10:51<musca>ok, Boot0003* points to \EFI\debian\grubx64.efi
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10:51<musca>and 0003 is the first entry in the boot order.
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10:57<pabs>is there an easy way with find to delete symlinks and the files they link to?
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10:58<JuanDosSantos>musca: and why is the boot loader not shown? grubx64 is the boot loader..
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11:01<JuanDosSantos>musca: How I can boot with old kernel? I installed kernel 4.5 but I want to load the old kernel 4.2..
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11:08<maxy>JuanDosSantos: If you haven't deinstalled it should be under the advanced options in your boot loader menu
11:08<maxy>s/it/it, it/
11:08<JuanDosSantos>maxy: the kernel 4.2 is still installed, but the boot loader menu doesn't apear..I can't select it...
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11:12<JuanDosSantos>ok I found a "workaround"...dpkg -P linux-kernel-4.5 and then reboot, now I am on kernel 4.2 ...
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11:14<maxy>Ok, just curiosity, what was the issue with kernel 4.5?
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11:21<JuanDosSantos>maxy: the vss backup doens't work wieht kernel 4.5, it's debian vm on hyper-v
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11:24<maxy>Now I'm surprised about using efi in a vm.
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11:25<yuta>none admin?
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12:03<JuanDosSantos>maxy: generation 2 vm's on hyper-v are always with efi boot..
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12:20<Walex>Ruff: ooops, sorry had to be away from keyboard
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12:21<Ruff>no it's cool thanks for helping
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12:21<Walex>Ruff: which actual font the CSS font 'monospace' maps to depends on the browser, but odds are that it will just try to find a font called 'monospace'
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12:22<Walex>Ruff: so you could as you imagined define a 'monospace' alias for the 'mono' font in '/etc/fonts/fonts.conf' or similar
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12:22<Walex>Ruff: note that Debian has quite a few useful FontConfig rules in
12:23<Ruff>how can I define 'monospace' as alias for 'mono'?
12:23<Walex>'/etc/fonts/conf.d/'
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12:23<Walex>Ruff: have a look at the output of 'grep mono /etc/fonts/conf.d/*'
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12:25<Walex>Ruff: on my system for example there is an alias, among many, to 'DejaVu Sans Mono' in '/etc/fonts/conf.d/57-dejavu-sans-mono.conf'
12:26<Ruff>http://pastie.org/pastes/10863247/text?key=qihq95mlith5k5nzquvig
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12:26<Walex>Ruff: also try 'fc-match monospace'
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12:27<Ruff>fc-match monospace = DejaVuSansMono.ttf: "DejaVu Sans Mono" "Book"
12:28<Walex>Ruff: so it should work. What comes out instead of DejaVu Sans Mono in your browser?
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12:30<Ruff>a serif font
12:30<Walex>Ruff: the other possibility is that you have redefined the Firefox 'monospace' selection in the preferences for Firefox
12:30<Walex>Ruff: try 'xterm -fa monospace-10' to see if you get the same serif font
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12:32<Ruff>it's not the same font with xterm -fa monospace-10
12:32<Walex>Ruff: try also 'grep font.name $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/default/prefs.js'
12:32<Ruff>it's a monospace fotn
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12:32<Ruff>fontù*
12:32<Ruff>font*
12:33<Ruff>user_pref("font.name.monospace.x-unicode", "Source Code Pro"); user_pref("font.name.monospace.x-western", "Source Code Pro"); user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.x-western", "Liberation Sans");user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "Liberation Serif");
12:34<Walex>Ruff: maybe you don't have 'Source Code Pro' anymore
12:34<Walex>Ruff: try: fc-match "Source Code Pro"
12:34<Ruff>SourceCodePro-Medium.otf: "Source Code Pro" "Medium"
12:34<Walex>Ruff: so you have it...
12:34<Ruff>but it's the same thing with any other monospace font
12:35<Walex>Ruff: then I don't know what's going on, could be a bug in 'sid'.
12:35<Ruff>I'm in Debian testing
12:35<Walex>or 'testing'
12:36<maxy>Do you have a tweaked ~/.fonts.conf or .config/fontconfig/fonts.conf file?
12:38<Walex>maxy: 'fc-match monospace' and 'xterm -fa monospace-10' show the correct mono font
12:38<Ruff>yes I have a .fonts.conf
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12:38<maxy>Mmh, ok, so is it a firefox specific issue?
12:39<Walex>maxy: or integration with Cairo, or whatever Firefox uses these days
12:39<Walex>or it could be not-so-well-written CSS :-)
12:39<Ruff>firefox CSS ?
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12:41<Walex>Ruff: how does the large code block at the beginning of this page look: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/16-one.html#160512
12:42<Ruff>normal
12:42<Ruff>in monospace
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12:42<Walex>in that style I force some specific fonts. Wait a sec
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12:46<Ruff>anytime the font asked is "monospace" like in "font-family: monospace" the font is a serif font
12:46<xormor>are there going to be problems, because I use jessie-backports and jessie's proposed-updates, when the "real" update to "jessie" 8.5 comes out tomorrow or the day after (on Sunday)?
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12:47<sney>no
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12:48<xormor>sney, ok. good.
12:48<sney>that's a supported configuration.
12:48<xormor>sney, so is my system going to be a "real" 8.5, not broken?
12:48<sney>if you're only using software from official debian sources, yes. as far as broken, there's some chance of that from backports occasionally, but it's rare
12:49<sney>packages in proposed updates are part of what become the next point release.
12:50<Walex>Ruff: try to reload this page: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/16-one.html#160512 and tell me how the code block looks
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12:51<Ruff>it's in serif font now
12:52<Walex>Ruff: then indeed it is a problem. Can't imagine why. I have got to catch a train now, ill be around later.
12:52<Ruff>https://i.imgur.com/BIxwQ4e.png
12:52<Ruff>ok thank you!
12:52<xormor>sney, are some proposed-updates left out or changed codewise?
12:52<Walex>Ruff: that looks like
12:53<Walex>Ruff: that looks like Times. Ah well.
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12:57<sney>xormor: they're just subject to bug reports like any other debian software, and the usual apt update/removal procedures
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13:11<xormor>sney, what software packages should I remove, that I don't need while playing Windows games, chatting, surfing the net and using Facebook and YouTube?
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13:35<Ruff>so I will ask again, I have a little issue, with Firefox on Debian Testing, the monospace fonts don't work with "font-family: monospace" but work with "font-family: mono" do you have an idea?
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13:39<jmcnaught>Ruff: hello. please ask in #debian-next, this is the stable support channel :)
13:40<Ruff>ok thanks
13:40<blast007>Ruff: also, search on the about:config page for 'monospace'
13:41<Ruff>I have alerady did it
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14:12<uso>is there an easy way to list all services which are started by systemd in sysv compatibility mode?
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14:16<Ruff>Walex if you are reading that later: I just find the problem, only the font "Source Code Pro" don't work with firefox because the font name if not "Source Code Pro" or "Source Code Pro Medium" but "Source Code Pro" "Medium"
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14:17<grawity>uso: systemctl | grep LSB
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14:19<Ruff>is* not
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14:21<uso>grawity: that list is somewhat surprising, major services like apache, squid or postfix are running in compatibility mode, really?
14:22<grawity>yep.
14:22<uso>ouch
14:22<uso>does it harm when I restart services which are in state active/excited?
14:22<grawity>I've written my own .services for some of those, but generally... yes, you'll find that most of them still do not have files in {/etc,/lib,/usr/lib}/systemd/system
14:22<grawity>no, if they were properly started originally, it should work fine
14:23<grawity>(although it's "active/exited" because the compatibility mode had to be somewhat crippled due to a few 'special' sysv scripts...)
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14:24<uso>some of them were started properly at boot
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14:24<uso>the problem is I don't know which of them should be in state active running and which should be in state active excited
14:25<uso>so the brute force approach would be to restart them all and hope those which should be active/running get fixed by it (without harming the others which should be in state active/excited)
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14:32<uso>looking at the list of services I'm somewhat scared :) can I really forcibly restart services like console-setup.service, kbd.service, keyboard-setup.service, networking.service, nvidia-kernel.service or sysfsutils.service without locking me out or screwing up the system?
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14:35<jmcnaught>uso: why are you doing this? some of these LSB services are supposed to be in active/exited because they don't have long running processes, like networking for example
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14:37<uso>jmcnaught: the problem is, I do not know which of them are supposed to be in exited and which are supposed to be in running state
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14:39<jmcnaught>uso: i remember us talking about this a couple of months ago. is there a particular service you're having trouble with?
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14:40<uso>jmcnaught: ntp, sensord, nfs, distcc are those which were gone just now, but there are probably more
14:41<uso>and I would prefer to explicitly list them and rather have a more generally working mechanism
14:42<grawity>write native .service units for them (assuming the list of desired services doesn't change too often)
14:42<jmcnaught>uso: you'll probably need to check the systemctl status and/or journalctl for any service that isn't woring to find the reason. ntp is active/exited for you right now?
14:43<jmcnaught>and yeah, if a service keeps giving trouble definitely consider making a native unit for it
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14:43<uso>jmcnaught: no, I've rebooted
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14:44<uso>grawity: as far as I remember not always the same services fail to restart
14:44<grawity>but always the same services are *supposed to be running*, I'd expect
14:44<jmcnaught>uso: "journalctl --boot=-1 -u ntp" to see the journal for ntp from the previous boot (if you have enabled persist journals)
14:45<uso>maybe some timing issue like the failed raid initialization on boot ...
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15:44<uso>jmcnaught: Most of the services apparently already died nearly 2 weeks ago on the last update. I do not have permanent systemd journal and unfortunately my syslog history also doesn't last that long.
15:45<uso>The only service which actually failed to restart today was sensord, but the log from it doesn't help either. The only line I have is:
15:45<uso>Jun 3 17:44:05 grappa sensord[8697]: Starting sensor daemon: sensord failed!
15:46<jmcnaught>uso: i would consider making journals persistent at least for now. if i recall correctly last time you were here for a similar issue there was something to do with automatic restarts for libc6 package and needrestart
15:48<uso>yes, but I do not see any hint that needrestart has to do with it
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15:49<uso>jmcnaught: the problem with the permanent journal is that it's hard to get rid of it when it's activated once
15:50<uso>and I still need syslog as long as logcheck only works with syslog
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15:51<uso>I happily would switch to permanent journals when I could drop syslog in compensation :)
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15:53<jmcnaught>uso: couldn't you just delete the journal directory when you don't need it anymore? are you worried about space or something? A problem like this is a lot easier to troubleshoot when you have logs from when the problem happens
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15:53<jmcnaught>uso: maybe if you're using automatic upgrades of some sort you should disable that and do upgrades manually for a bit (on receipt of a DSA) so you can be present when the issue occurs
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15:58<uso>jmcnaught: I use manual updates, I just need to check _all_ my services after every update to notice when something died before the messages rotate out of the syslog history (which is about 8 days)
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16:12<Carli7887>Hi guys, do you know why adobe flash plugin does not work anymore? If it is blocked from Mozilla there is some other option to use flash for exemple using the chrome's pepperflash? If yes how? Thanks
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16:19<anonymous>ciao
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16:25<cra1g321>Carli7887,http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=126261&p=602592#p602592
16:25<cra1g321>https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing
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17:05<pi>hello
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17:05<pi>anyone here?
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17:06<lostatwork>yes
17:06<lostatwork>I don't really count though
17:06<lostatwork>!ask
17:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:06<pi>I just hooked up my pi and I wanted to check out some irc's
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17:51<barteks2x>I have a problem, not sure where should I ask for help but skype just doesn't work for me. When I start it, nothing happens. When I start it from commandline - it prints nothing to console and quits after a few seconds.
17:52<barteks2x>I have no idea how to even start trying to figure out what is wrong. Can someone help?
17:53<barteks2x>It worked fine a few days ago, no updates since then
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17:55<sney>barteks2x: you might be out of luck, since skype is 3rd party and closed source it's not supported here, and I don't think microsoft cares about the linux client anymore either :/
17:55<barteks2x>I think some of it's dependencies might be a problem, since the binary didn't change at all
17:56<barteks2x>is there some way to reinstall them or something?
17:56<barteks2x>this is my last hope before downloading windows version and running it on wine
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17:58<zth>Is it possible to downgrade nvidia drivers to 340.96 while using debian stretch?
17:58<zth>I'm having some troubles with the last drivers
18:01<barteks2x>nope, still doesn't work after reinstalling dependencies. Maybe I should try restart?
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18:02<barteks2x>it works after reboot...
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18:20<matias>hi
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18:44<beagleboner>helo
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21:42<bluzeo>hey guys- is there an alternitive to xscreensaver??? it really getting on my nerves...
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21:47<bill-auger>you can turn it off
21:50<GLolol>bluzeo: if it's the "outdated version" nag, enable stable-updates https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates and upgrade xscreensaver
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21:56<bluzeo>Glol thank you - it turn off but that comand did work in terminal i am looking for typos now
21:59<bluzeo>is there going to be an fork of it guys??
21:59<sney>debian is already patching the nagware out, at jwz's objection, but per the license he can't really do anything about it
22:00<sney>so probably no fork, just a persistent patch from debian that turns off the version warning
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22:15<bluzeo>this crazy ........... - i get it Debian point but he didnt need to cuss us out
22:16<sney>jwz has made a lot of super important contributions to software and computing over the years (he basically invented the modern web browser, AIUI) but he is also a cranky bastard
22:17<bluzeo>yep i can see that
22:17<sney>usually this is contained to his website and twitter feed so whatever but this time it became an issue. and debian found a solution. and unless jwz decides to relicense xscreensaver with some prohibitive clauses, this problem has been solved
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22:19<bluzeo>sney ouch
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22:57<eliotime3000>What happen with flashplugin-nonfree and pepperflashplugin-nonfree packages? The first haves outdated signatures that avoids to update the Flash Player NPAPI, and the second still have issues with Google signatures even if I updated the google signatures on the APT.
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22:59<ksx4system>is there any other solution to "hpet1 lost N interrupts" than to disable hpet at all?
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