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00:53<karpi>KeePass2 stopped working by itself (meaning that I haven't been meddling with it, I think). Seems mono is culprit, but I have no clue how to fix. Tried to reinstall mono and keepass2, but no help. Here is output from keepass2 when ran from terminal:
00:54<karpi>http://pastebin.com/ExL5T7xf
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01:00<tatu>tatu = karpi
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01:01<jmcnaught>tatu: did this happen on Jessie? Are you using any non-Debian repos (especially mono related ones)?
01:02<tatu>yes, jessie
01:02<tatu>no, i am not using mono related repos
01:02<tatu>this came as total surprise
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01:03<jmcnaught>does it work for a different user, or if you temporarily move your keepass2 config directory?
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01:09<tatu>no
01:09<tatu>doesn't
01:09<tatu>i created fresh user and tried
01:09<tatu>no avail
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01:09<themill>There's a bug in the bts about similar behaviour that mysteriously went away after rebooting.
01:10<tatu>tried rebooting
01:10<sleser>hi is there ps2 emulator for debian
01:10<themill>(there's no reason a reboot should have any influence)
01:10<tatu>well, I have a copy of my system on other disk, I can try that
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01:13<appl3s>Hi, I have a question related to Nginx. In the main config. file (i.e. nginx.conf) should `worker_connections` be equal to `ulimit -n`? or can I set more?
01:15<jmcnaught>sleser: there's pcsx2 but it's not in jessie
01:16<sleser>is there anything that will work on jessie
01:17<tatu>well, keepass2 works on the backup system
01:18<tatu>has there been update to mono or something, that broke this?
01:21<jmcnaught>sleser: you could try backporting pcsx2, or install it from a tarball maybe. i tried it a few years ago and it was able to execute a game, but there were a lot of glitches
01:21<sleser>ok thanks
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02:08<xormor> I already got the 8.5 version number in my /etc/debian_version, from the base-files. is it because I have debian-proposed-updates in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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02:15<horriblenoob>good evening, so uh im not sure where to turn with a networking question. I installed "seafile" on a local system & was able to access it via any local node using the ip; however, I could not access it from outside my network
02:16<horriblenoob>I changed my local systems hostname/domain name (to a duckdns.org one) and was succcessfully able to connect to said node from outside my network; however, can no longer connect to it locally
02:17<horriblenoob>I think if I change my hosts file on a pc it might fix the problem for one network node but I can't change all my nodes hosts files, is there somewhere I can go to make the changes for everything?
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02:20<sleser>hi not sure dont remember i last nite
02:21<sleser>some one gave me advice for russian keyboard xvkbd . that thing is missing one letter in russian
02:21<sleser>letter yo . E with 2 dots on top
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02:22<sleser>app useful for nothing
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02:22<sleser>not sure if it supose to be like this or . not . if anyone has russian keybaord fisical one let me know if that letter is on their fisical keyboard
02:23<sleser>ive never seen a russian keyboard so .... the virtual is missing that letter
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02:25<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: are you talking about all computers on your LAN?
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02:26<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: yes, I am
02:27<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: can the other computers resolve just the hostname (not the FQDN)?
02:27<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: I need to make it so my tablets/laptops can connect to the seafile server while on the home network at "blah.duckdns.org" and when on a public network; however, they're not resolving properly when at home. NNow that I type it all out I'm wondering if its an entry/rule i need to build in my router
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02:28<horriblenoob>jmcnaugh: thats an interesting question. I can ping the local node via ip; however, the duckdns "port forwards" to the node for external connections coming in
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02:29<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: i'm assuming you configured port forwarding in your router
02:29<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: do you think i need to setup a rule to port forward on my local network as well as the external network/wan?
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02:29<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: affirmative, its setup and functions properly from wan to the seafile server
02:30<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: no
02:30<D3>HELLO
02:30<horriblenoob>d3: hello
02:30<D3>BRO im new in this feild
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02:30<D3>i want learn hacking
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02:31<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: okay, now i'm waiting with baited breath. I know just enough to know that I know "nothing" about networking (sadly)
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02:31<D3>bro where from you?
02:31<xormor>is there a reason for me to use "apt" instead of "apt-get" and "aptitude"?
02:31<D3>i want learn backbox
02:32<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: my router runs dnsmasq, and all the computers on my LAN use the router/gateway in /etc/resolv.conf. On the router I can add stuff to /etc/hosts and dnsmasq resolves these for all the clients on the LAN
02:32<D3>i want hack andriod phone in backbox
02:32<themill>D3: you probably want #backbox on irc.autistici.org then
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02:32<D3>i have backbox
02:32<horriblenoob>themill: lol well said
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02:33<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: dnsmasq, okay thanks for a kick in the right direction!
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02:34<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: your router might be using dnsmasq behind the scenes, or something very similar. it may or may not have an interface for adding hostnames
02:35<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: its pfsense, evidently they call it "DNS Forwarder" I'm reading the manual now
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02:37<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: LOL the manual needs a translation into plain english, or a glossary at least.
02:38<jmcnaught>libvirt also runs dnsmasq on the virbr0 interface it creates, so i actually use that as my first line in /etc/resolv.conf. this lets me resolve hostnames for VMs running on my system (jessie doesn't have libnss-mymachines)
02:41<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: you could also run a DNS forwarder or resolver on a computer on the LAN, and have the router tell all systems to use it
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02:44<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: I might have to do that, pfsense doesn't seem to be cooperating (or its just too late and I need to pick this up in the AM)
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02:45<horriblenoob>jmcnaught: I think I shall retire for now, please accept my humblest thanks. It's people like you that have always given me faith in the tech communities humanity
02:45<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: it can probably do what you want. maybe take another look at its manual in the morning, then find their channel to ask questions about stuff you don't understand
02:45<jmcnaught>horriblenoob: good night :)
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02:58<jeremyd>Where is good place to get a hand troubleshooting issues?
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03:04<musca>hello jeremyd
03:05<musca>!ask
03:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:10<jeremyd>Hey.
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03:10<jeremyd>Ok, I have recently upgraded to jessie (from wheezy)
03:11<jeremyd>I was using Wheezy backport kernel (3.16)
03:11<jeremyd>But I get a kernel panic when I try to boot from the Jessie kernel.
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03:12<jeremyd>I've also tried the Jessie-backport kernel (4.5) but that kernel panics too.
03:13<musca>hmm. That story escalates quickly.
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03:13<lewiskiller0>yo
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03:14<jeremyd>Any ideas where I even start trying to work this out?
03:16<musca>jeremyd: Are you using systemd?
03:16<jeremyd>Hmm, TBH I'm not sure.
03:16<jeremyd>Good question.
03:17<jeremyd>I thought so but I can't be 100% because I never actually checked...
03:17<musca>I'm not saying that it is the culprit, just exploring the possibilities.
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03:18<jeremyd>it's installed
03:18<jeremyd>I have sysvinit kernel entries at boot time and they panic the same FWIW
03:18<musca>is systemd-sysv installed, too?
03:19<musca>or sysvinit-core?
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03:20<jeremyd>systemd-sysv is installed, not sysvinit-core
03:20<jeremyd>So looks like I am using systemd!
03:20<musca>you are using systemd.
03:20<jeremyd>weird that the old kernel works fine though...
03:21<jeremyd>Must have installed systemd when it upgraded.
03:21<musca>ok, let's add some kernel parameter to see more output before the panic.
03:21<jeremyd>Ok. How do I do that?
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03:23<jeremyd>in grub somewhere?
03:24<musca>yes, for a start you can press "e" in the boot menu and add a parameter temporarily.
03:24<jeremyd>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
03:24<jeremyd>In there?
03:24<musca>yes, that will be permanent, even.
03:25<musca>systemd.show_status=true
03:25<musca>^ this will give classic boot messages.
03:26<jeremyd>ok
03:26<jeremyd>now update grub I assume
03:27<jeremyd>And reboot and see what happens I guess...
03:27<jeremyd>I'll be back shortly...
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03:28<musca>did we remove the "quiet"?
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03:32<xormor>musca, where do I type "systemd.show_status=true"?
03:33<xormor>musca, thank you in advance.
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03:35<jeremyd>I'm back.
03:35<jeremyd>Didn't make any apparent difference.
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03:36<jeremyd>While I was there I compared the commands between the kernel entries and on face value appeared the same...
03:36<musca>hmm.
03:38<musca>https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-journald.service.html has more parameters
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03:38<musca>perhaps systemd.journald.forward_to_console=1
03:38<jeremyd>cool thanks
03:38<jeremyd>I was just about to ask that! :)
03:39<musca>There also is a "debug" parameter, but output may be huge.
03:40<musca>First I would try to remove the "quiet" parameter.
03:40<jeremyd>it doesn't seem to have that set
03:40<jeremyd>unless its default unless disabled?
03:40<jeremyd>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="systemd.show_status=true systemd.journald.forward_to_console=1"
03:41<musca>ok
03:41<jeremyd>is that right? Or should I get rid of the show_status?
03:41<musca>it doesn't disturb, i think.
03:41<jeremyd>ok cool. Thanks I'll be back soon again :)
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03:46<jeremy>ok back again.
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03:47<musca>wb Guest3066
03:47<Guest3066>That didn't seem to change anything either
03:47<Guest3066>not sure why I lost my nick?
03:47<Guest3066>Anyway...
03:47<Guest3066>I tried the debug option too
03:48<Guest3066>that changed things a bit, but wasn't helpful
03:48<musca>did you forget to "update-grub"?
03:48<Guest3066>no updated grub
03:48<Guest3066>and it was there when I tried debug by pressing e
03:49<Guest3066>if you understand what I mean
03:50<musca>yes.
03:50<Guest3066>from debug I ended up with what appeared to be a more detailed stack trace than I was previously getting
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03:51<Guest3066>is there anyway to capture the text from the boot?
03:51<Guest3066>Maybe if I could actually read it I might be able to do something with it?
03:52<musca>take a photo
03:52<Guest3066>Hehe. Yep done that.
03:52<Guest3066>But the text is large so I'd like to see what's gone off the screen.
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03:53<Guest3066>It doesn't seem to scroll back post panic, but perhaps there is a special key combo?
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03:54<musca>) wonder, if a plain debian debian ISO-Image would boot to the same panic
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04:03<Guest3066>Good thought.
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04:06<Guest3066>I'll try. I'm just downloading the Debian Jessie Gnome Live ISO
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04:12<hse>can anyone guide me please through the installation of a network driver for my Braodcom BCM4313 (14e4:4727) thingy? Wlan used to work, but after I once switched off Wifi using Wicd I don't get any wlan networks at all.
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04:22<musca>hello hse
04:22<musca>!BCM4313
04:22<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>.
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04:23<musca>!brcmsmac
04:23<dpkg>brcmsmac (brcm80211 prior to Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. Access point and adhoc modes are supported since Linux 3.10. https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
04:23<hse>hello musca
04:23<hse>there we start: Should I use brcmsmac or w?
04:23<musca>hse: install firmware-brcm8021 from the non-free section
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04:24<musca>wl is proprietary, i would try brcmsmac
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04:25<hse>I think I did that: http://paste.debian.net/713989/
04:25<musca>good
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04:26<hse>however, doing "modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac" doesn't seem to have any effect
04:27<musca>no output? that's okay
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04:28<musca>you can do "dmesg | tail -n 25" to see results
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04:28<musca>did the driver create an interface, named like "wlan0"?
04:29<hse>doesn't look so good: http://paste.debian.net/713990/
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04:30<hse>and for ifconfig: http://paste.debian.net/713991/
04:30<musca>perhaps the wl module interferes
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04:31<musca>at least there is an interface
04:32<hse>I had hoped to have disabled that: http://paste.debian.net/713992/
04:32<musca>lsmod | grep wl
04:33<hse>http://paste.debian.net/713993/
04:34<musca>modprobe -r wl ; modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac
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04:35<hse>ok. At least now the lsmod doesn't list anything. But still no wireless.
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04:36<hse>http://paste.debian.net/713994/
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04:43<musca>hse: rfkill list
04:44<hse>here's my modprobe conf files: http://paste.debian.net/713995/
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04:45<hse>rfkill results: http://paste.debian.net/713996/
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04:47<musca>is your wireless LAN hard blocked? press your "antenna button", please.
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04:48<musca>and then repeat the "rfkill list"
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04:49<hse>that was weird: http://paste.debian.net/713997/
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04:52<musca>yes. press the button again, and rfkill list
04:54<hse>back to previous state: http://paste.debian.net/713998/ Pls remember that wlan did already work, so I don't expect it's a hardware thing
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04:55<mehd>hi there! I want to install mate-desktop-environment-core on a real lame laptop running a minimal system. Do I have to install an X manager or sth else before?
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04:59<hse>musca: do you think I should try to find something in the bios settings?
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04:59<musca>hse: I don't know.
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05:00<hse>I'll try.
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05:16<hse>musca: no hard-blocked things left, but still no wireless. This is dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/714003/, and this is rfkill list output: http://paste.debian.net/714004/
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05:21<hse>musca: just did modprobe brcmsmac again, and now there is a wireless signal.
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05:23<hse>musca: http://paste.debian.net/714006/
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05:26<hse>trying to reboot
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05:33<Guest3084>musca, I tried the Debian 8 Live CD and it boots fine. No kernel panic...
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05:34<musca>Guest3084: hmm. perhaps try reinstalling the kernel or switch to latest from backports?
05:35<hse>musca: after shutdown the wifi settings are forgotten and I have to repeat the modprobe. How can I make the settings permament?
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05:35<musca>hse: sure, let me search a bit
05:35<hse>musca: sure, thanks for your kind help!
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05:38<LurkingGamerPro>Hello?
05:38<musca>hse: /etc/modules holds a list of modules to load.
05:39<musca>Hello, not-LurkingGamerPro
05:39<hse>musca: that file is empty
05:39<LurkingGamerPro>:/ sorry, i only just started using parrot system :/ i came from kali im kinda new to both tho
05:39<musca>hse: man modules
05:40<hse>musca: I'll just add add brcmsmac
05:40<musca>LurkingGamerPro: we don't support those, but welcome to debian anyway :)
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05:40<musca>hse: exactly
05:41<LurkingGamerPro>O.o thx
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05:42<hse>musca: thanks! Now off for another reboot just to confirm
05:42<musca>good luck, hse!
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05:47<hse>musca: tadaa :-) Thank you so much. So today I learned modprobe, lsmod, rfkill and /etc/modules! My brain hurts ;-)
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05:48<SpeedyG>hse: hehe, I know the feeling... working on the same topics now for my RHCE ;)
05:48<SpeedyG>although rfkill is not in the topiclist... ;)
05:49<hse>speedyG: RHCE - waay too much for me. As you will have guessed I am quite a newbie to linux
05:50<hse>but I get the faint idea how you must be feeling :-)
05:50<SpeedyG>hse: yup :) so was I... some 15 years ago :)
05:50<SpeedyG>hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did/do ;)
05:50<hse>hmm... if linux takes so long to learn I'll be 61 when I reach your level of proficiency .-)
05:51<hse>oh I do enjoy it. It allows me to work on an Eeepc
05:52<SpeedyG>oh and computers... due to the enormous and broad spectrum of what you 'can' learn.... it will take a life-time (and perhaps longer) to learn it all :)
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05:52<SpeedyG>i'm no expert myself either... I just know my way around by now ;)
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05:52<hse>that had some crappy windoze installed which was really lame. couldn't really work on that pc. but now i have debian and lxce, and it runs smoothly. well, once the wland stuff has been figured out :-)
05:53<hse>and I thought it was enough to learn how to create an usb installer and reinstall linux every now and then ;-)
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05:53<SpeedyG>ehehe, I just had to crash the win-10 installer 3 times before my new laptop allowed to boot from USB and install linux on it ;)
05:54<hse>any book recommendation? I think that could save me from asking weird questions on the forum
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05:55<hse>i had ot figure out why the eeepc came with four partitions, and just decided to throw all of them away. ;-)
05:55<SpeedyG>I don't do books too often... although I did purchase the RHCSA/RHCE7 guide for my studies...
05:55<SpeedyG>for debian, I mostly use the internet for help and support :)
05:56<SpeedyG>sites like debian-administration.org debian-handbook.info and of course, debian.org itself
05:56<SpeedyG>although debian-handbook is mostly a list of books you could use ;0
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05:57<SpeedyG>you can browse it online though :)
05:58<hse>i see. I'll just continue then browsing through the debian reference tome :-)
05:58<hse>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html
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05:59<hse>have to confess: best resource so far was this channel :-)
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06:05<hse>musca: so, thanks again, and I'll be off
06:05<musca>yw hse, have fun and enjoy debian :)
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06:06<hse>will do that ;-)
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06:17<jeremyd>Back again...
06:17<jeremyd>No joy so far but i think I'm having progress.
06:17<jeremyd>Seems like I didn't have the headers installed for some kernel modules.
06:18<jeremyd>But when I try to install it fails:
06:18<jeremyd>Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d.
06:18<jeremyd>run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.16.0-4-amd64
06:18<jeremyd>Error! Problems with depmod detected. Automatically uninstalling this module.
06:18<jeremyd>DKMS: Install Failed (depmod problems). Module rolled back to built state.
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06:19<jeremyd>oops, sry about that...
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07:55<cat6>If possible I would like to make my desktop pc generate less heat (I want the room cooler). Are there any tools/tips/guides for doing this? Like limit how much load is allowed max on cpu and graphics card for example?
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07:59<xormor>how do I see if my jessie-proposed-updates has already given me a full debian 8.5 jessie version release? the package "base-files" named/numbered my version as "8.5" in /etc/debian_version.
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08:02<Tazmania>bom dia pessoal
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08:23<Guest3097>Hi, My sources.list looks like this: http://pastebin.com/xR9riQs4
08:23<Guest3097>the contrib non-free goes to end of all lines?
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08:29<Brigo>Guest3097, yes.
08:30<Brigo>be carefull about that ubuntu line, it could mess your system.
08:30<Guest3097>I just deleted
08:31<Guest3097>I installed that homerun kicker for KDE but it ignores that repo at every apt-get update
08:31<Guest3097>Brigo, After the backports as well?
08:32<Brigo>Guest3097, yes.
08:32<Guest3097> I will make an installable LiveUSB with an application, which means all my apps and settings going to be on the system. It is a bootable system. If you install it it installs in 10 minutes with all the apps and settings I have on any PC or laptop. My question is: If I install all the wireless drivers to be compatible with most laptops cause it any problem?
08:34<Brigo>Guest3097, not at all.
08:35<Brigo>Guest3097, It is the Debian kernel default behaviour.
08:35<Guest3097>Thanks
08:35<Brigo>Guest3097, np :)
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08:47<Guest3097>http://pastebin.com/yeHMFZXt
08:47<Guest3097>Why apt-get update ignores the first line?
08:48<Guest3097>http://pastebin.com/tB6wUwnE the firs line means ignore
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10:23<frlttrwrd>(1) sometimes I get random restarts; (2) sometimes I get random graphics freezes (mouse cursor still moveable, image frozen and nothing clickable; I can still ssh in); sometimes usb stops working randomly or doesn't work at boot (often happens after (1) and (2)); sometimes 3d accelleration doesn't work after boot (KDE desktop effects don't work and can't be enabled; often happens after (1) and (2)). I guess it's a hardware problem, but what logfiles
10:23<frlttrwrd> could have relevant information? dmesg, syslog, Xorg.0.log. anything else I should look at?
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10:24<MarcL>adobe flash player does not work anymore with firefox, someone knows how to do to use flash on firefox?
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10:31<danielsh>frlttrwrd, mcelog?
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10:36<MarcL>some info about flash?
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10:46<frlttrwrd>danielsh: I'll have a look, thanks
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11:46<HiTree>Is there a archive already serving 8.5? I only get 8.4 Apr 2 Release files for jessie...
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11:48<themill>in progress
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12:33<MeanderingCode>Any macbook/pro (from the last year) users out there? New job is going to give me one, looking for any tips on gotchas or things to look out for and fix when i install debian on it
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13:30<lindi-_>MeanderingCode: maybe you should try to negotiate some other hardware?
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13:34<somiaj>MeanderingCode: the debian wiki has a section on the different mac books and some tips/tricks required with some of them to get linux/debian running on them.
13:35<MeanderingCode>lindi-_: it's a small company, and i don't think other hw is on the table (though i am going to ask after it)
13:35<MeanderingCode>somiaj: thx. noticed that, and will read through and consult. All the references are for older models (if i find differences, I'll be sure to update the pages)
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14:06<lindi-_>MeanderingCode: it might be cheaper hardware for them to buy
14:07<MeanderingCode>depending :)
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14:18<Skytech>Is there a way to install Wheezy packages on Jessie?
14:19<crypto>hello
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14:19<amacater>Probably not - libraries etc will have changed significantly. What's the program?
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14:28<grove>Skytech: Some wheezy packages will probably install just fine, but most will have dependencies that changed in some way
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15:18<MarcL>adobe flash player does not work anymore with firefox, someone knows how to do to use flash on firefox?
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15:20<MarcL>it doesnt update anymore
15:20<MarcL>and firefox blocks the old version
15:20<towo`>be happy about that
15:20<towo`>flash is crap³
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15:23<MarcL>towo`, but it's the only way to see videos and streaming tv on some website i use
15:23<towo`>then install google-chrome
15:23<towo`>it comes with recent flash
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15:26<MarcL>true, I have it but using Firefox I always have to switch to Chrome just for it. with OpenSuse there's a plugin or something like this that search for flash in the computer then it uses the Chrome's pepperflash
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15:27<MarcL>there's something similar on debian?
15:27<towo`>browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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15:27<MarcL>thanks
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15:30<lindi-_>MarcL: many sites work if you just use mobile user agent
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15:32<MarcL>lindi-_, I will try, thx
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15:35<MarcL>is just an impression or the debian channel on oftc there are more experts on debian if compared with the freenode?
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15:43<HiTree>Is there a archive already serving 8.5? I only get 8.4 Apr 2 Release files for jessie...
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15:51<somiaj>HiTree: you shouldn't need a speical repo, debian repos should all provide the current point release of jessie
15:51<HiTree>none does.
15:51<somiaj>HiTree: it could take a day or two for the mirror to update so that could be the issue
15:52<somiaj>HiTree: if you have jessie-updates in your sources.list you may also have most the updates already.
15:52<HiTree>The release-file itself says 8.4.
15:52<HiTree>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/
15:52<HiTree>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/
15:53<somiaj>HiTree: It can take a little bit for the updates to happen (espically with all the arches). I don't know how long it is supose to take historically though
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15:55<somiaj>HiTree: as long as you have the main jessie repo in your sources.list and security.debian.org in your sources.list you are just fine and should just wait. The update will only contain a few things that haven't been porvided to you via security.debian.org and optionally if you have the jessie-updates repo in your sources.list you may have many of the updateas already
15:55<HiTree>I read the release mail.
15:55<HiTree>somiaj: Thanks
15:56<somiaj>HiTree: Hopefully the mirrors update soon, but ftp.debian.org and ftp.nl.debian.org are just mirror redirectors, and i'm unsure how quickly mirrors update with changes.
16:00<somiaj>HiTree: use jessie-updates for now if you want the newest bug fixes before the point release hits the mirrors
16:01<HiTree>no. waiting for the release. But looks like there's a problem though http://mirror-master.debian.org/status.html#sect_main not noting any...
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16:02<HiTree>#debian-mirrors says the sync hat some problem... new one is running now.
16:03<somiaj>ahh nice, glad you found out why it is beign slow
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16:37<anonymous>hi
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17:08<MarcL>I am using browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on firefox to have flash. How to delete the pepper flash now? Should I open Chrome and delete datas from there?
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17:09<MarcL>I mean delete the history of the pepper flash usage*
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17:31<vert18>I have a .deb that was made for mint/ubuntu it's not a ppa. it's a daemon for an i2c panel on the front of my computer. the script in the package starts a modprobe i2c-i801 and then exec a /usr/sbin/fpsvc but running that in a term shows it could not detect front panel i2c bus... not sure if mint/ubuntu uses systemd..so this .deb i have on my debian testing system isnt working right, any ideas?
17:33<Brigo>if it could detect the front panel it should be a kernel/modules issue.
17:33<Brigo>couldn't i meant :)
17:34<amacater>If it's prior to 16.04, Ubuntu used sysvinit / upstart. Mint - not sure. I suspect the modprobe means that you have a module built against a kernel. Where's the source ?
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17:35<Brigo>i2c-i801 module exists in 4.3 debian kernel, at least.
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17:37<Brigo>vert18, also systemd is sysVinit compatible so if the .deb has a good init script it will work anyway.
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17:38<vert18>I have no source available (asfaik). Hmm, I know it was built for mint 17.3. I know the one line of instructions on the dl page say reboot for it to work. (done so under debian and no dice) but under mint its working as is.
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17:39<Brigo>vert18, check the logs when you make modprobe i2c-i801
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17:40<Brigo>the output of dmesg -w in another terminal should suffice.
17:40<vert18>checking
17:47<vert18>just says i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.3: SMBus using a PCI interrupt
17:48<vert18>and a warning..
17:50<vert18>ACPI warning systemIO range... conflicts with OpRegion... conflict may cause random problems.. if an acpi driver is abailable.. install instead..etc
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17:50<Brigo>vert18, that could be the problem.
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17:51<Brigo>vert18, what kernel version are you using? you can check it with uname -a
17:52<vert18>4.5.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.5.5-1
17:52<Brigo>vert18, that is a very new kernel.
17:53<Brigo>maybe you need the same kernel version frim that mind you get the module from.
17:53<vert18>(side note) used to be able to build my own kernels.. but f..kinda complicated now-a-days)(from 10-15years ago(laugh)
17:55<vert18>I'll have to check.. they had 4. something installed when they shipped with mint..
17:55<Brigo>vert18, yes, me too :)
17:57<vert18>my front panel works without this module but it's missing it's cpu temp, it has it's wattage tho
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17:59<Brigo>it should be from the acpi driver.
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18:00<vert18>next time, thanks for the tips. off to work i go
18:01<Brigo>vert18, np :)
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18:21<vortek>hey you know that windows installer for debian?
18:21<vortek>is it available with wireless firmware?
18:21<vortek>cuse my cd drive is dead
18:21<vortek>and i got no usb's
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18:22<vortek>im on disabilty i cant afford them
18:23<vortek>i got a usb how do i tell the size?
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18:23<lindi-_>vortek: any USB flash driver is enough for the installer
18:24<vortek>oh its 7 gigs!
18:24<vortek>hehe
18:24<vortek>cool
18:24<vortek>its a bottle opener usb hehe
18:25<vortek>yeah i spent 5000 dollers building the pc
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18:26<vortek>got a 600 watt power supply 64 gigs oof ram a 500 doller overclocking mother board and to gfx cards that were 500 apiace
18:26<vortek>to=two
18:26<vortek>nvidia top of the line
18:27<vortek>i had some money in my bank account and like an idiot i built this expensive ass computer hehe
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18:30<vortek>can i config debian to make fool use of the 64 gigs of ram?
18:30<Brigo>vortek, you can try this: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
18:30<Brigo>vortek, i think you can make a fool use of the ram without a proper configuration :)
18:31<amacater>Vortek - new point relese being put together now: look on website for unofficial netinst with firmware
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18:31<vortek>will tha work with gooby microsft?
18:32<Brigo>vortek, it use its own installer, i think
18:32<Brigo>you can get the installer with firmware in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
18:32<vortek>i need to use wireless firmware with it
18:33<vortek>my cd dvd drive is busted
18:33<vortek>can i use that with goodbye-microsoft?
18:34<amacater>If you've got a Linux box, you can dd the image to a USB stick
18:34<vortek>oh cool
18:34<vortek>YES! :D
18:34<vortek>cuase i hatee to waste a system with microsuxs on it
18:35<vortek>thiis computer is to mean!
18:35<amacater>Something like dd if=[cdname.iso] of=/dev/sdx obs=10k
18:35<vortek>hehe
18:35<vortek>thanxs
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18:38<vortek>I cant wait to put debian on this tower!
18:38<Brigo>vortek, cp cdname.iso /dev/sdx will work too.
18:38<vortek>thanxs
18:39<vortek>so will debian realy make use of the 64 gigs of ram
18:39<vortek>]or only use like 16 gigs
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18:40<vortek>i cant wait to see how quikly it compiles a kernel
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18:44<vortek>linux mint is debian for dummies hehhe
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18:53<bryllmer>Anyone knows stuff about troubleshooting audio? Can't seem to fix mine..
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18:57<amacater>Debian will use all the RAM you've got
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18:59<jesus>hola
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19:12<vortek>cool!
19:12<vortek>windows only uses like 16 gigs
19:12<vortek>its expenisve ass ram too , not your standerd stock ram
19:13<vortek>ddr3 though
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19:16<vortek>sorry for bragin
19:16<vortek>i just proud of this tower i built! :D
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19:30<mendax>ola
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19:31<bill-auger_>only 16 gigs of ram - quite a ludacris statement
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19:32<vortek>windows dont use all your ram
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19:32<bill-auger_>noting that i have in front of me a laptop that has 16 megs of ram in it
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19:33<vortek>cool
19:33<vortek>16 gigs is more then enough ram
19:33<bill-auger_>ye i got lotsa junk - that just struck me as a bit of an overstatement tho
19:33<vortek>why hehe
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19:36<bill-auger_>why becuase 99.9% of computer users would get by just fine with 1gig of ram - i cant see how 16G would ever be practically useful even if your OS appears to "use" it
19:36<bill-auger_>how many browser tabs is that?
19:36<bill-auger_>or are we crunching numbers for NASA
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19:37<vortek>hehe
19:37<vortek>gamming
19:37<vortek>in wintendo
19:37<bill-auger_>ok show me a game that has 16G of ram as a requirement
19:37<vortek>i mean windows :D
19:38<vortek>http://wccftech.com/dying-light-pc-system-requirements-insane-16gb-ram-gtx-780-r9-920/
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19:39<bill-auger_>ok eating my hat
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19:41<vortek>Quantum Break: 8GB minimum, 16GB recommended
19:41<vortek>hehe
19:42<vortek>but for video editing they recomend 16 gigs too
19:43<vortek>i wanna see how fast a kernel compiles with 64 gigs of ram
19:44<vortek>and an ssd
19:44<vortek>i wonder how long it would take
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19:58<m1n3>hello
19:58<m1n3>anyone there?
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20:15<bill-auger_>vortek: would be an interesing benchmark - i compiled linux about a year ago on a celleron 2600 with 1G RAM - took about 16 hours
20:16<vortek>wow
20:16<bill-auger_>m1n3 - there are over 700 in this channel - if you have a question just ask it - introductions are not necessary
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20:17<vortek>yeah i remember compiled a kernas in the day of 200 mhz you had to make a custome kernel to make to system run more effeciantly
20:17<vortek>kernas=kernel
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20:22<bill-auger_>the kernel was much smaller then tho
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20:36<R4F_Debian>Hi all, Please I would like to know why 'youtube-dl' process is not being finished, although the video file has been extracted: http://paste.debian.net/714248/
20:36<R4F_Debian>I use it in Debian GNU/Linux Jessie 8.4 (amd64)
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21:21<R4F_Debian>Hi all, Please I would like to know why 'youtube-dl' process is not being finished, although the video file has been extracted: http://paste.debian.net/714248/
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21:23<Guest3148>R4F_Debian: your question is probably better suited here: https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl
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21:26<R4F_Debian>yuicat do you know what is the 'curl' utility for youtube-dl in Debian Jessie ? Should I install it ? This source you've passed doesn't explain about it...
21:29<yuicat>R4F_Debian: curl is just another utility for transferring data
21:29<yuicat>the command noted in the github readme can be replaced with wget, etc
21:30<R4F_Debian>I see now I understood about it, thanks yuicat. But my issue is not explained here. This is a tutorial for basic use, doesn't explain how to help on fixing this issue I'm experiencing here
21:31<yuicat>no problem R4F_Debian- if you think you have a problem that you can replicate across different environments, create an issue via github
21:32<yuicat>other people might be having the same problem
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21:47<R4F_Debian>no, it does not make sense for me, what I have here is simple issue, but don't know how to fix it, although I've tried it first. Taking a long time reading a manual, if my time is not enough for it is not reasonable
21:48<R4F_Debian>I can replicate it across different environments afterwards, not now. The idea is not bad, but I ought to fix this issue urgently. that is why I ask for help in this channel....
21:48<yuicat>I'm not sure how you can diagnose your issue as "simple" if you don't know the solution
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21:49<R4F_Debian>it is not difficult to get it through an intuitive perspective. Your analysis is not enough for this case.
21:49<somiaj>R4F_Debian: youtube is regurally changing how it generates its pages with the videos and the script may not always be up to date as youtube changes.
21:49<somiaj>,v youtube-dl
21:49<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.02.22-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2016.02.22-1; stretch: 2016.02.22-1
21:50<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj
21:50<somiaj>R4F_Debian: have you tried the script which is available in jessie-backports which is much newer than the one in jessie (by about 1.5 years)
21:51<R4F_Debian>no, somiaj, didn't know about this script, can you help me on this, please ?
21:52<somiaj>R4F_Debian: youtube-dl is a script. Just install the package from jessie-backports (not the one from jessie)
21:52<R4F_Debian>First of all, could you please see what is happening here ? The video is extracted completely, but youtube-dl does not finish its process, apparently
21:52<somiaj>R4F_Debian: apt-get -t jessie-backports install youtube-dl
21:52<somiaj>R4F_Debian: the script in jessie is probabaly just outdated and doesn't work with the newer youtube pages.
21:53<R4F_Debian>so, the first thing to be done is delete this I'm using here ?
21:53<somiaj>i.e. as youtube changes so does the youtube-dl script which downloads the video.
21:53<somiaj>R4F_Debian: no, just install the package from jessie-backports and see if it works as expected
21:53<cra1g321>if it's just as script, why not just grab the latest version from it's homepage ?
21:55<jmcnaught>cra1g321: if a Debian package works, why bother with installing by hand from upstream?
21:56<cra1g321>jmcnaught, from the couple mins i've looked at it, the script can update itself, so why wait for the maintainer ?
21:56<R4F_Debian>somiaj, see this output: youtube-dl is already the newest version.
21:56<cra1g321>if it's something like a program then of course a debian package makes sense
21:56<R4F_Debian>Please, somiaj, take a look on this: http://paste.debian.net/714248/
21:58<yuicat>R4F_Debian: that output doesn't have anything useful in it
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21:59<jmcnaught>cra1g321: mostly because the Debian package will handle dependencies, and will be upgraded with the rest of the system, and that's better for most users. It could turn out that R4F_Debian needs to use the upstream version to resolve the issue, but then that's one more thing that needs to be updated separately from the packaged software on the system
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22:01<R4F_Debian>yuicat I think you couldn't understand my issue here, for you didn't try it, and I'm absolutely sure you don't have the minimum idea about what is my issue here (if you had, you wouldn't never say: "that output doesn't have anything useful in it". But there is a real problem here....
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22:02<R4F_Debian>Thanks for attention, somiaj. Nice to see you again here, jmcnaught. Thanks for observation about my issue here !
22:02<somiaj>R4F_Debian: it might be the youtube-dl script in debian is outdated. I noteced there was a recent release, but in sid I am getting a similar issue, It paused at Downloading MPD mainifest
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22:03<R4F_Debian>I see, somiaj, in my case, the outuput is not concluded here, but the video is extracted succesfully. But, if the process in the command line is not concluded, I get a bit worried and confused about why it is not finished
22:04<jmcnaught>i just tried the youtube-dl from jessie-backports, works for me
22:04<somiaj>jmcnaught: maybe it is the video he is trying to get, I just tried it in sid to test
22:04<jmcnaught>it could depend on the format the video is in..
22:04<cra1g321>i dont disagree with that, just think if the package contains a version of the script that is voer 2 years old, to me it makes more sense to have try get a newer version, thankfully we have backports :)
22:04<R4F_Debian>here is in .mp4, jmcnaught
22:05<R4F_Debian>I always prefer .mp4 for my needs here
22:05<somiaj>R4F_Debian: yea my script works fine for a video I tried, but when I used the link you gave it didn't work. It could be something with the video/link you were using
22:06<PO>¿+
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22:06<somiaj>PO: please don't spam characters to the channel
22:06<R4F_Debian>well, perhaps you and jmcnaught helped me again to fix this issue. I will test other video here, instead of this one I've passed to yours
22:06<cra1g321>i installed it with pip there now (2016.06.03) it seems to stall at "downloading MPD manifest" like somiaj said
22:07<PO>Sorry somiaj, was my little girl
22:07<somiaj>PO: no problem, I was just seeing if there was a person there or not
22:07<R4F_Debian>God Bless your little girl, PO ! :)
22:08<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: http://paste.debian.net/714318/ <-- an example session for me
22:08<PO>Thanks!
22:08<R4F_Debian>PO :)
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22:09<R4F_Debian>I will check it jmcnaught, just one moment please
22:09<R4F_Debian>somiaj, I will test other video, for you had issues with mine's also
22:10<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: hey i just noticed your paste.. i think this is a bash syntax issue you're having with an ampersand (&) in the URL
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22:11<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, yes, sorry !
22:12<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: you can remove the first & and everything after it from your URL
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22:14<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: http://paste.debian.net/714319/ <-- this is me getting your video
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22:14<R4F_Debian>I will try to apply it here, jmcnaught, thank you, very much ! Nice to see you again !
22:15<jmcnaught>bash was interpreting the & in the youtube URL as "run this command in the background"
22:15<R4F_Debian>other shell shoud be useful in this case, instead of bash ?
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22:17<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: nah stick with bash. for youtube URLs, after the .com/ part you only need the "watch?v=zjS1wfpKEmQ" where the random looking characters after v= is an ID for the video.
22:18<somiaj>R4F_Debian: afiak that is POSIX sh syntax so another shell would still have the issue
22:18<somiaj>I think quotes can help with that
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22:18<jmcnaught>after the video ID there's an & sometimes in the youtube URL that tells youtube another parameter, like &playlist=blahblah for example
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22:23<R4F_Debian>I see somiaj, I see jmcnaught
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22:35<R4F_Debian>Please, jmcnaught, shoud I use this alternative with youtube-dl ? " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjS1wfpKEmQ " - as you suggested before. Is that right ?
22:36<R4F_Debian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjS1wfpKEmQ
22:36<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: yes
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22:36<R4F_Debian>removing the first ' & ' and everything after it
22:37<R4F_Debian>ok, I will try it here
22:37<R4F_Debian>hey jmcnaught, hey somiaj, other example finished without issue here !
22:38<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: youtube URLs sometimes have a lot of HTTP GET variables, but a program like youtube-dl only needs the video ID specified by v=
22:38<jmcnaught>and & is the delimiter separating GET variables
22:39<R4F_Debian>Please, so the first '&' and after it is not necessary for extraction using youtube-dl always, jmcnaught ?
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22:40<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: yes, at least how youtube URLs work currently
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22:41<R4F_Debian>quite important this explanation ! I thought it was all necessary. Please, jmcnaught, take a look on it, if possible : http://paste.debian.net/714331/
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22:44<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: looks okay to me :)
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22:53<R4F_Debian>you explained me before, some time ago, how to specify the desired format. In my case, I prefer .mp4 for outuput, and this was downloaded in .mkv. How to proceed to get .mp4 format ?
22:54<R4F_Debian>to jmcnaught
22:57<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: maybe it was someone else, i've only briefly glanced at the youtube-dl man page
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23:00<R4F_Debian>ok, I will check it afterwards. I haven't time yet to test your hint here, jmcnaught, I will do it now. Thanks for Great Support !
23:01<R4F_Debian>somiaj, thanks you too for Great Support ! You and jmcnaught always help me a lot ! Really Thank you very much ! :)
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23:11<Anonymous>hello world
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23:12<ShinChan>Hello world !
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23:16<ShinChan>we will attack a domain of israel country :)
23:16<themill>ShinChan: do you have a Debian user support question we can help you with?
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23:18<ShinChan>deface a site
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23:28<R4F_Debian>Bye all!
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