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00:00<cra1g321>i checked smplayer --help, didnt find anything
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00:01<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Have you tried just running it from a terminal? Maybe it's already verbose.
00:01<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: `smplayer filename.mkv`.
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00:01<R4F_Debian>Infiltrator, do I need root user for that ?
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00:02<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: No. Certainly not.
00:02<R4F_Debian>Ok, thanks, so, smplayer filename.mkv
00:02<Infiltrator>Never su, sude, or otherwise use root unless you know that you need to.
00:02<Infiltrator>s/sude/sudo
00:03<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Yeah. And see what it spits out onto the terminal.
00:03<R4F_Debian>This is SMPlayer v. 14.9.0 running on Linux
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00:04<R4F_Debian>Infiltrator, it continues without sound, only this line appears in terminal
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00:04<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Give me a bit; I'll pull it and check the info pages.
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00:05<twb>!nomodeset
00:05<twb>Bah
00:05<twb>But /msg dpkg kms helped.
00:05<R4F_Debian>Oh, that's very kind of yours, Infiltrator ! Really Thanks ! :)
00:06<Infiltrator>It really doesn't have much at all. :\
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00:06<Infiltrator>For debug, you might need to pull the source and compile it with a debug option.
00:07<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Are you terribly attached to smplayer? I would switch to VLC or something else if I were you.
00:08<Infiltrator>Er. "terribly attached" to English-speakers just means "Do you care about it that much and want to keep using it?"
00:08<R4F_Debian>yes, I understood you ! :)
00:08<R4F_Debian>Honestly, no, Infiltrator, I use vlc, gnome-videos and banshee more often
00:09<cra1g321>vlc 95% of the time here, else mpv
00:09<R4F_Debian>but, being equally sincere to yours, I prefer .mp4 output, instead of 'mkv'
00:09<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: I don't mean to be condescending. I just saw what looked like Spanish in your paste, so I wasn't sure how much English you understand.
00:09<cra1g321>mp4 and mkv are just containers
00:09<Infiltrator>What cra1g321 said.
00:10<Infiltrator>And why do you prefer mp4? mkv is actually superior (you can include subtitle tracks, for instance.)
00:10<Infiltrator>And what I mean is: do `aptitude purge smplayer` and just use VLC. :P
00:10<cra1g321>dont need to use purge, apt-get remove works fine
00:11<R4F_Debian>yes, Infiltrator, I can understand majority of explanations given here. My english is not so good, but I can solve majority of issues through it, and with your Great Support here
00:11<Infiltrator>cra1g321: I like to get rid of config files. :P
00:11<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Also, if you are more comfortable speaking in Spanish (did I get that right?) You can try #debian-es.
00:12<Infiltrator>!es
00:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
00:12<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Which is not to say that you are not welcome here, of course.
00:12<R4F_Debian>Really ? I didn't know about it.. About 'mkv' being better choice
00:13<Infiltrator>Well, that's what I reckon, anyway. Feel free to do your own research.
00:13<R4F_Debian>oh, I like this channel, Infiltrator, I know lots of Great People here who have been helping me a lot, since I started to access this channel
00:13<R4F_Debian>and now, I was helped by yours, also Great Support provided here through yours, Infiltrator !
00:14<R4F_Debian>other: that's an opportunity to practice a little bit more english writing
00:14<Infiltrator>Also, I'm biased because I'm Russian, so I like the name. :P
00:14<Infiltrator>Good point.
00:15<R4F_Debian>Great, Infiltrator ! Russian ?
00:15<R4F_Debian>Quite far away from where I live... :)
00:16<R4F_Debian>Well, great new knowledge you gave me, Infiltrator, I didn't know 'mkv' was better. Great Help ! :)
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00:19<R4F_Debian>Well, Infiltrator, Nice to talk to you and having your Support. Really helped me, Thank you Very Much !
00:19<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: No worries.
00:19<R4F_Debian>Thanks for information given, cralg321 !
00:19<R4F_Debian>Hope see you soon :)
00:20<R4F_Debian>Bye !
00:20<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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00:20*sney doesn't help R4F_Debian anymore because he's so freakin' noisy
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00:23<Infiltrator>sney: The poor kid probably just wants to practice his English.
00:24<Infiltrator>I'm actually pretty bad with noise too, actually. :\
00:24*Infiltrator shuts up.
00:24<bill-auger_>like WOW - i just did apt update and it told me i was DL at 2.5 PB/sec
00:24<sney>bill-auger_: haha yeah sometimes the calculator goes nuts when it gets a couple small files too fast to measure
00:24<bill-auger_>yea pretty cool huh
00:25<sney>holy cow I'm totally going so fast
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00:48<Infiltrator>My right meta key is mapped to "Super R" instead. How can I force it back to a meta?
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01:04<gnumonk>Hi
01:04<Infiltrator>!tell gnumonk ask
01:05<gnumonk>question regarding dpkg status file, I have system where rootfs gets updated frequently and I keep the /var partition seprate
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01:06<gnumonk>when rootfs changes all the install packages get deleted and I need to reinstall it, But /var/lib/dpkg/status claims that its already install
01:06<jm_>how exactly does rootfs change?
01:06<gnumonk>--reinstall install dosen't help
01:08<gnumonk>so we have container where /var/ is shared for data and container, so I copy all the rootfs(/,/etc/,/usr, <other then /var>)
01:09<jelly>gnumonk: you have to reimage /var/lib/dpkg and a bunch of other stuff, too
01:09<jm_>sounds like a bad idea to do it that way because as you already figured out /var/lib/dpkg does not possibly reflect correct state
01:09<Infiltrator>gnumonk: Can you set it up so that whatever kills rootfs also kills /var/lib/dpkg?
01:09<gnumonk>so problem is when I say dpkg -l | grep build-essential , I get the package name. though its not installed and reinstalling using apt-get --reinstall install is not helping.
01:10<jelly>yeah, don't change the OS install underneath dpkg
01:10<Infiltrator>Also, I would just change the whole killing of the rootfs thing. Do you really need that?
01:11<jelly>or continue doing that, but don't pretend the result is a working debian system and don't use dpkg/apt within the container at all
01:12<gnumonk>jelly: can't I ingnore or overwrite the status files with actual installed packages?
01:13<twb>gnumonk: why is it that / and /var are not kept in sync?
01:13<jelly>gnumonk: that _is_ where the information about "actual installed packages" is stored.
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01:14<gnumonk>twb: because /var is shared between Host and container for some data.
01:14<jelly>separate your data from the rest of /var
01:14<jm_>you can't ignore it if you want to use dpkg in a sane maner, can you overwrite it? sure, quite a few episodes of that on the net when people had to rebuild their status file
01:14<twb>gnumonk: you should fix that
01:15<jelly>they're asking how to fix it.
01:15<jm_>but really, that's the worst way to go about it, just make sure /var/lib/dpkg reflects correct situation instead of fixing it afterwards
01:15<twb>Find out why they're shared, to begin with
01:15<gnumonk>twb: you mean to say fix the design .
01:15<twb>gnumonk: yes
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01:16<gnumonk>twb: Well, its too late and I was given at the point where I need to get a workaround rather then fixing the desing .
01:16<twb>bind mounts maybe
01:16<jelly>gnumonk: at the very least, reimage /var/lib/{apt,dpkg} /var/cache/{apt,debconf} every time you recreate the container
01:16<twb>so that /var/lib is actually /srv/ugh/var/lib
01:17<gnumonk>jelly: that is what I thought is, but was thinking any other methods , via apt-*?
01:17<jelly>no, you broke apt
01:17<twb>You can wipe /var/cache/apt/archives at least
01:17<twb>And /var/lib/apt/lists
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01:18<jelly>that's the least of their problems
01:18<gnumonk>twb: yes that gets clean using apt-get clean .
01:19<jelly>the right appoach might be along "don't keep a whole separate /var, figure out where your data actually is and keep just that"
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01:20<Infiltrator>Yeah, what jelly said. Keep /var on the same fs as / and just put your data elsewhere, with a bind or symlink in /var if you really need it there.
01:21<twb>+1
01:21<twb>You can keep them on separate filesystems, but they need to stay in sync
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01:21<gnumonk>Ok , Thanks much guys :)
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01:21<Infiltrator>True. But it's easier for them to be in sync on the same fs is people are molesting the rootfs.
01:21<gnumonk>let me try that now, Thanks for help.
01:22<Infiltrator>s/fs is/fs if/
01:22<twb>In the very old days, / and /usr and /var were treated separately. / was read-only PXE, /usr was read-only NFS, and /var was per-host read-write NFS.
01:22<twb>But to have that sort of thing on current Debian requires a lot of fiddling
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01:23<twb>gnumonk: btw if the rootfs contains /var and it is simply mounted over, you can still access those files
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01:23<alkisg>Hello, I'm trying to apply for a DM, and in the key consistency step [https://nm.debian.org/process/6/keycheck] I got: "Potential problems no UID found that fully satisfies requirements ". My fingerprint is: 54351AAF3F6C43D35C52CF6CA8696F011940D6C7. Could someone help me understand what the issue is?
01:23<twb>mount --bind / /mnt/umount-me, rsync -aiHSX --delete --exclude postgres /mnt/umount-me/var/ /var/
01:23<twb>^ something like that
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01:23<gnumonk>twb: Yes.
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01:24<twb>Of course if your container is properly locked down, you will not have access to mount
01:24<twb>Otherwise you could just mount /proc or /sys and destroy the host OS
01:24<gnumonk>twb: :)
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01:25<twb>e.g. mount -t proc none /mnt && echo o >/mnt/sysrq-trigger
01:26<gnumonk>twb: He he , you are actuallu telling , how to destroy the box :)
01:26<gnumonk>s/ actuallu/ actually/
01:27<twb>sure
01:27<twb>technically that tells the kernel to cut power to the hardware with no shutdown procedures
01:27<twb>It's just the most trivial test, there are more obscure ways
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01:30<gnumonk>twb: :)
01:30<jm_>alkisg: not sure if this is the right channel for that sort of thing
01:30<twb>alkisg: try #debian-mentors
01:30<alkisg>jm_: thanks, I also asked in #debian-newmaint but it has less traffic
01:30<alkisg>OK, will do that too, thanks
01:30<twb>Or that I guess :-)
01:31<jm_>alkisg: yeah just wait for a reply there I guess
01:33<gnumonk>Yep.
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02:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 742] by debhelper
02:38<donmo>good morning
02:39<donmo>could someone help me with the fusion mpt kernel module on a debian 6 vm?
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02:41<jm_>debian 6? you'll have hard time finding people that still use that
02:42<donmo>customer cant upgrade because of php ...
02:42<themill>tail wags dog
02:43<twb>I had a customer tell me that once
02:43<twb>Turned out the PHP developer was simply lazy.
02:43<twb>Hadn't even bothered to *try* his software on current PHP
02:43<donmo>i dont know if its related to debian 6, the mpt module is switching scsi id when theres some i/o
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02:45<donmo>wouldnt be a problem because its a know "bug" with mpt-statusd (lse prarallel controler and debian)
02:46<donmo>but its switching to a scsi i cant find in the system (proc, lsscsi) - and it has a complete different filesystem
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02:47<donmo>its a vmdk/disk from a vm i set up a while ago and removed because the lazy devs couldnt use it
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02:51<donmo>the message is only logged in the "wrong" filesystem... kernel: [24870.712100] mptbase: ioc0: RAID STATUS CHANGE for PhysDisk 2 id=4
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02:51<donmo>kernel: [24870.712104] mptbase: ioc0: SMART data received, ASC/ASCQ = 5dh/00h
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02:53<donmo>not sure if its related to debian or vsphere... .vmx is clean, no hints about another disk
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03:08<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I've installed tor in my Debian Jessie, but as I can see, it's just as described in Debian man pages : a connection-oriented anonymizing communication service
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03:09<R4F_Debian>Please, Isn't Tor Browser available in Debian stable repositories ?
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03:11<R4F_Debian>Obs: 'tor' as just a service is available in Debian Stable repositories
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04:27<s3rj1k>Hi guys
04:27<s3rj1k>can some one help me out?
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04:28<s3rj1k>have some issues with exim package on stable and oldstable distribution
04:29<jm_>!ask
04:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:32<s3rj1k>I have a problem with exim4 package on stable and oldstable distribution, currently debian ships malformed security patch CVE-2016-1531, issues with cwd handling, bug report is on debian bug system https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826646
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04:35<jm_>so it's already reported
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04:45<s3rj1k>yes but i am interested on a time frame for a fix, this bug is almost 6 moths old on 4k+ production servers, its a big issue for enterprise deployment
04:46<jm_>why not build a fixed package yourself then?
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04:47<twb>That's how I do it
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04:48<twb>Also obviously if you don't need exim's advanced features, you can use a nullmailer or postfix
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05:13<s3rj1k>the trouble is that today its exim, tomorrow is some other base package that receives untested security patches, this brings greate segmentation to community
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05:14<s3rj1k>this is how forks are born
05:14<twb>I can't help there, sorry.
05:14<s3rj1k>ie ubuntu, deuvian
05:15<twb>If you wanna donate a big bag of enterprise-grade money towards paying full-time security staff, I'm sure that'll be gratefully accepted :P
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05:16<twb>Debian's mostly built by volunteers
05:16<s3rj1k>i can donate patch to package)) but no feedback from mantainer sadly(
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05:17<twb>There should be a procedure to handle that
05:17<twb>Have you talked to the debian security team?
05:17<s3rj1k>no, how can i reach them?
05:17<twb>My first guess would be #debian-security :-P
05:18<s3rj1k>tnx for a hint)
05:18<twb>Probably they mostly use their mailing list, but I am just guessing
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05:21<s3rj1k>there are actualy live people in that channel)
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06:36<frlttrwrd>apparently my iceweasel got replaced with firefox with a system update? problems with that: I can't add it to to icon-only task manager in kde now. I start firefox, right-click on its icon in the task manager, click "Show a Launcher when not running". but when i close firefox again the launcher icon becomes invisible. If i click that invisible space I get "KDEInit could not launch /opt/firefox/firefox". If i instead drag the firefox icon from the sy
06:36<frlttrwrd>stem menu into the icon-only task manager I get a semi-working launcher: it has a icon, it launches firefox, but the running firefox instance appears as a second icon below the launchers. I had firefox installed to /opt in the past, I'm not sure if that's what is causing problems now.
06:38<jm_>frlttrwrd: it couldn't have been done replaced automatically as one can have both installed at the same time
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06:38<jm_>/opt/firefox is certainly not something debian provides
06:39<jm_>debian's firefox lives in /usr
06:40<twb>jm_: there was an update the other day that made iceweasel a transition package to firefox-esr
06:40<jm_>twb: but still not /opt though?
06:40<frlttrwrd>hm, I have a /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop that points to opt. Is that the culprit? I probably created that at some point in the the past then.
06:40<twb>e.g. 12:26 <santexnik> guys after new update icweasel lost its icon
06:40<twb>That does not explain anything in /opt though
06:41<twb>frlttrwrd: I think you should move/remove anything relating to /opt/firefox, then reinstall firefox-esr package
06:41<jm_>yeah I see it now, it depends on firefox-esr
06:41<frlttrwrd>twb: ok, will do that
06:41<twb>jm_: happened in the last week or so, for jessie
06:41<jm_>a shame list of files in that package feature does not work on pdo
06:42<twb>jm_: probably because that's only updated a couple times a day?
06:42<frlttrwrd>were those branding issues with mozilla resolved? is debian shipping "firefox" again officially?
06:43<twb>jm_: there is for stretch Contents
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06:43<jm_>yes, it's firefox again
06:43<twb>mozilla decided to stop being jerks :P
06:43<twb>12:03 <twb> The answer appears to be here: https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
06:43<jm_>twb: indeed as strech has slightly older version
06:44<twb>>eyeroll< that testing has older version than stable
06:44<frlttrwrd>ok, removed /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop, reinstalled firefox-esr, works now. thank you.
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06:46<jm_>I was sort of expecting to see firefox show up as esr some day, just not so soon
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06:49<frlttrwrd>additional question: that firefox-esr installed from the debian repository has that pocket icon. Isn't that a proprietary service? why is that allowed in main?
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06:56<jm_>maybe this https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/04/02/0239227
06:56<ansgar>frlttrwrd: It's allowed for the same reason an Amazon S3 client, Twitter clients, and so on are in main.
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06:59<frlttrwrd>ansgar: I can only guess: only a proprietary service, but no proprietary code installed? so no binary blob in firefox then?
07:01<frlttrwrd>another problem: clicking a link in xchat now gives me: "Could not find the program 'iceweasel'"
07:01<twb>Joy
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07:06<bill-auger>frlttrwrd - that probably should not be happening - perhaps iceweasel is set manually in some preferences?
07:06<jm_>what does 'xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/http' return?
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07:07<frlttrwrd>jm_: firefox-esr.desktop
07:07<ansgar>frlttrwrd: Yes, the propretary bits are all in the cloud (I don't know about Pocket).
07:07<bill-auger>a could things you can try for one see what this returns ls -l /etc/alternatives/www-browser
07:08<jm_>also apparently xchat has Settings > Advanced > URL Handlers
07:08<frlttrwrd>wait, restarting xchat might fix that
07:08<jm_>frlttrwrd: odd then
07:08<bill-auger>also try this command and see what happens xdg-open https://www.debian.org/
07:09<jm_>I expect that to use firefox based on the above output (it's the same thing, xdg-open uses xdg-mime query'
07:09<frlttrwrd>bill-auger: Could not find the program 'iceweasel'
07:09<bill-auger>and for fun just type which iceweasel
07:09<jm_>huh
07:09<twb>ansgar: maybe DFSG only cared about GPL-style freedom and not AGPL-style freedom?
07:09<twb>ansgar: or it has a waiver for interoperating with other stuff
07:09<frlttrwrd>which iceweasel doesn't return anything
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07:09<jm_>in that case maybe debug it further with sh -x /usr/bin/xdg-open http://www.freedesktop.org/
07:10<bill-auger>i think that is your problem then
07:10<twb>frlttrwrd: find /.??*/ -xdev -type f -exec grep -nHFe iceweasel {} +
07:10<bill-auger>my system should this
07:10<bill-auger>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 May 7 22:06 /usr/bin/iceweasel -> ../lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr
07:10<twb>bill-auger: have you upgraded iceweasel lately?
07:10<ansgar>twb: There is nothing in the DFSG about what sort of services programs can interact with. Also the situation would be the same if Firefox was under AGPL (you still don't have to release the non-free server software it interacts with).
07:10<bill-auger>yes i am on testing
07:10<twb>ansgar: yeah I expressed my question poorly :-)
07:11<frlttrwrd>should I just try a reboot before I do further debuging?
07:11<jm_>maybe logout instead of reboot
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07:11<ansgar>twb: And if you try to restrict that, keep in mind that every program interacts with non-free bits like the CPU ;)
07:12<twb>sniffle
07:12*twb hides in corner with Ben Nanonote
07:13<twb>Er... Yeeloong Loongson
07:15<frlttrwrd>reboot didn't help. 'sh -x /usr/bin/xdg-open http://www.freedesktop.org/' outputs this: http://paste2.org/5MxccIen
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07:16<bill-auger>frlttrwrd: what about ? which firefox-esr
07:16<twb>please don't read the source of xdg-open, it's horrible
07:16<frlttrwrd>bill-auger: /usr/bin/firefox-esr
07:16<bill-auger>clearly /usr/bin/iceweasel you can fix this with a symlink but wont help debug if this is a real bug
07:17<bill-auger>sudo ln -s /usr/bin/firefox-esr /usr/bin/iceweasel
07:17<bill-auger>o/c if it is a real bug that helps only you
07:17<jm_>/usr/bin/iceweasel is provided by the transitional iceweasel package
07:17<twb>frlttrwrd: is iceweasel package installed?
07:18<jm_>OK so you use KDE, not sure where to look for KDE
07:18<bill-auger>aha +1 jm_ answer
07:18<twb>jm_: in theory it's still /usr/share/applications/ and ~/.local/applications
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07:19<frlttrwrd>twb: iceweasel is not installed. I think that got uninstalled when i reinstalled firefox-esr a few minutes ago.
07:21<twb>my fault for not checking that earlier
07:21<twb>install iceweasel=45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 which won't conflict with firefox-esr
07:22<frlttrwrd>kde settings -> default applications -> web browser was set to "in the following browser: iceweasel". if I change that to "in an application based on the contents of the URL" clicking a link opens konqueror. but setting it to firefox-esr does the trick.
07:23<jm_>yeah makes sense
07:23<twb>Hrmph. That's supposed to be in defaults.list in the standard xdg area
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07:24<frlttrwrd>I think all my firefox-related problems are resolved now. thanks to all of you for your help.
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07:24<twb>yay
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07:25<bill-auger>so i wonder what does that kde setting control
07:25<bill-auger>does xdg-opn do the right thing for you now ?
07:27<frlttrwrd>bill-auger: it does. but x-www-browser opens konqueror. not sure if it's supposed to do that.
07:27<jm_>that's the alternative you can configure -- man update-alternatives
07:27<bill-auger>yea i think it is update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
07:28<twb>there's also sensible-browser, but I dunno how that conceives of X vs tty
07:28<frlttrwrd>ok, thanks. I only tested that because it was mentioned in the ''sh -x /usr/bin/xdg-open http://www.freedesktop.org/" output
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07:42<Infiltrator>I did ddrescue on a whole drive (sda) instead of the individual partions (sda1 etc). How can I expose the partitions inside this file so that I can mount them?
07:42<twb>The whizzo modern way is kpartx
07:43<twb>But if you are badass you can use parted unit b print, then mount -oloop=<start offset>
07:45<Infiltrator>Cool. What about the end, though? Do I need to specify the end offset too?
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07:48<Infiltrator>Yup, I do.
07:48<Infiltrator>twb: Thanks.
07:48<twb>You don't actually have to specify the offset, as long as the filesystem driver isn't retarded
07:48<twb>e.g. for ext2/3/4 you don't
07:48<twb>It would matter if you were gonna resize2fs or something
07:49<Infiltrator>NTFS, so to be safe?
07:49<twb>(Normally, the filesystem and the partition table have the same size, so it doesn't matter if you ignore the partition table.)
07:49<twb>No idea about ntfs
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07:55<Infiltrator>What would it do, though? Would it just fail to mount or something more sinister?
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07:57<jm_>you can specify size limit if you use losetup first
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08:05<Infiltrator>jm_: Well, according to man mount, you can specify the offset and size_limit without using losetup (though of course mount uses losetup anyway).
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08:06<jm_>Infiltrator: ahh indeed, didn't know it does that
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08:08<twb>That option is relatively new
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08:09<Trinker>identify snetwork002
08:10<jm_>that didn't go according to plan
08:11<twb>It's OK I'll change it for him
08:12<twb>(not really)
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08:14<Infiltrator>Trinker: I think that you just need to register newpassword.
08:15<grove>It might just have an attempt to run identify(1) on that file that hit the wrong window
08:16<grove>(but yes, it might also have been a command to NickServ)
08:17<Infiltrator>Well, since he joined just before he said that, I'm sticking with my nickserv theory.
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08:30<user>hi
08:31<Master>hi
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08:31<Master>.....
08:31<Master>?
08:31<twb>Guest4002: do you have a Debian question?
08:32-!-debinerd [~debinerd@73.95.135.85] has joined #debian
08:32<debinerd>Hey everyone
08:33<Guest4002>hey
08:33<debinerd>I have two wifi connections in my house. One is password free and another requires a password.
08:33<debinerd>I can't log in to the one that requires a password.
08:34<twb>are you using a GUI?
08:34<debinerd>I am using the Cinnamon network manager
08:34<Master>😂:)
08:34<twb>is wpa-supplicant installed?
08:34<debinerd>Not at the moment
08:34<twb>That is probably the problem
08:34<debinerd>Should I install it
08:35<Guest4002>hack wifi
08:35<twb>unless network-manager reimplements that functionality, you need it to access protected wifi APs
08:35<debinerd>ok
08:35<ansgar>But network-manager depends on wpasupplicant?
08:35<twb>Ah I probably typo'd the package name
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08:35<debinerd>nvm it looks like it is installed
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08:36<twb>I don't know what to check next, because I don't know GUIs, sorry.
08:36<debinerd>OK
08:36<ansgar>debinerd: What does the log say when you try to connect to the network?
08:37<debinerd>Which log? The Cinnamon log
08:37<twb>whichever one has the NM logs :-)
08:37<ansgar>The system log. Just run `sudo journalctl -f` before you try to connect and see what it says.
08:37<twb>find /var/log/ -xdev -type f -mmin -10 -exec tail -fn0 {} +
08:37<twb>...or that
08:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 761] by debhelper
08:38<twb>ansgar: you shouldn't need to be root, right? Only -g adm or something?
08:38<ansgar>twb: Yes, but I am lazy ;)
08:39<ansgar>`journalctl -f` as regular user works too, but might display less.
08:39<debinerd>Well I can't say for certain (my other network is down right now) but my xsession-errors has a number of messages saying (nm-applet:1062): libnm-glib-WARNING **: (nm-access-point.c:310):nm_access_point_connection_valid: runtime check failed: (ap_ssid != NULL)
08:40<twb>tail -f that file, too
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08:40<ansgar>The applet is just the client side. I don't know what Cinnamon does there.
08:41<twb>gtk assertions are usually pretty spammy and harmless, but the lack of an AP SSID is suspicious
08:41<debinerd>hmm
08:41<falstro>twb: how do you try to connect? I have an issue with NM that I can't use the context-menu to connect, the popup works though.
08:41<ansgar>You could also try `sudo nmcli device wifi connect "${some wlan name}" password "${some password}"`. But for basic WiFi connections I would be surprised the the GUI wouldn't work.
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08:42<falstro>the popup dialog I mean
08:42<debinerd>Can't retest now because my main network is out of range, but I believe I mainly use the applet.
08:42<ansgar>twb: See, no GUI at all needed for NM ;)
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08:42<twb>ansgar: granted but it's still a GUI-y design
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08:43<debinerd>When I use the popup sometimes it will work for a second and then go out, but usually it doesn't at all
08:43<twb>I have boycotted NM since back in 2007 when installing a desktop, it would disconnect eth0
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08:44<debinerd>Well I'm using wlan1
08:44<debinerd>which is my external freedom compatible wifi
08:44<twb>debinerd: don't mind me, I'm just a grumpy old sysadmin
08:44<debinerd>:)
08:45<ansgar>twb: I just start using everything when it works. So I never had problems with NM or Pulseaudio or GNOME3 ;)
08:45<falstro>twb: it doesn't anymore, I'm using eth0 the old fashioned way, NM just manages my wifi
08:45<twb>falstro: I know
08:45<falstro>right ok :)
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08:46<twb>I will have to adopt it because of systemd-networkd in debian 9 or 10 :/
08:46<debinerd>The connection worked perfectly fine during the installation, but as soon as I booted into the installed system it no longer worked
08:47<bandittbunk>Hey!
08:47<debinerd>It may be Cinnamon-control-center wireless, or the nm applet, but idk
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08:48<bandittbunk>Linux its the best OS Yes?
08:48<twb>bandittbunk: no
08:48<bandittbunk>Its Free
08:48<bandittbunk>What The best os?
08:48<debinerd>Linux is a great OS.
08:48<twb>bandittbunk: 無
08:48<Master>Linux
08:48<bill-auger>dos
08:49<bandittbunk>DoS And Linux
08:49<debinerd>It's not (practically) superior to everything, though
08:49<twb>bandittbunk: do you have a Debian question?
08:49<grawity>loadlin.exe
08:49<bandittbunk>What the best OS In Debian or Ubuntu My Opinion is Debian For code but graphics is Ubuntu
08:49<twb>grawity: more like GoodbyeWindows.com amirite
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08:49<twb>Hm, wrong domain
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08:50<bill-auger>ubuntu is a debian - that is redundant
08:50<bandittbunk>Oh Yeah i have a question I Have a problem to package Udeb the package is unetBootiN
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08:51<twb>bandittbunk: you are trying to make a Debian CD?
08:51<bandittbunk>Oh yes ubuntu is based to debian but what os recommend me
08:51<bandittbunk>Oh Yeah
08:51<bandittbunk>Im Trying make a debian CD For a friend
08:51<twb>bandittbunk: are you on Debian now, or windows?
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08:52<twb>bandittbunk: you do not need unetbootin to make a CD
08:52<bandittbunk>Debian Debian forever
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08:52<bandittbunk>How to create a Boot usb in debian
08:52<twb>You can download any debian install .iso and burn it directly to the CD
08:52<bandittbunk>im noob in is OS
08:53<twb>If you want to put it on a USB, just do "sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdz", where /dev/sdz is your USB key
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08:53<blast007>bandittbunk: a bootable USB installer for Debian?
08:53<bill-auger>yes - there is very little difference between distros - you could install just about any program on any distro - and you could remove the parts you dont linke and replace them with parts you do like
08:53<twb>bandittbunk: there are many debian install .iso - you choose one based on your computer type and on the size of the USB key
08:54<xormor>twb, so I don't need to use "dd" or "cat"?
08:54<bill-auger>mostly what you are asking is what is on the CD i download and if i dont want to do very much to it afterward
08:54<twb>xormor: correct
08:54<xormor>twb, that is new to me.
08:54<xormor>twb, thanks! :)
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08:54<bandittbunk>Ooh Thanks Yep Bootable USB Installer for debian my friend using windows and Im Using debian im noob Ok? Amm how to create a booteable USB Key in Debian No UnetBootin
08:54<twb>xormor: if you use dd you can get process reports tho
08:54<xormor>twb, yes
08:54<bandittbunk>Im Got a .iso for debian
08:54<twb>bandittbunk: OK is the USB key plugged in?
08:55<bandittbunk>i dont know, crate a usb key
08:55<blast007>UnetBootin will not work anyway as it breaks Debian's installer
08:55<bandittbunk>Yep
08:55<twb>bandittbunk: in a terminal, run "cat /proc/partitions"
08:55<bandittbunk>its a KingSton data traveler 8 GB
08:55<bandittbunk>Ok
08:55<twb>It will tell you all the disks on your system
08:55<bandittbunk>Ok Next?
08:55<twb>You must find the right disk
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08:55<twb>If you unplug and replug the USB key, you can see it appear and disappear from the list
08:55<bandittbunk>Im See!
08:56<twb>And the big number -- the size -- should be about the right size for your 8GiB key (8,000,000,000)
08:56<bandittbunk>Oh Right
08:56<twb>Do you have the right name? It should be something like sdX where X is a letter
08:57<bill-auger>probably sdb if you have only one hard disk
08:57<twb>yes, probably
08:57<bandittbunk>I Dont Know the Terminal change language or Squares?
08:57<twb>I do not like to say "sdb" in case they run it without checking :-)
08:57<bandittbunk>Oh Wait
08:57<bandittbunk>im remenber
08:57<bandittbunk>im got a debian CD
08:57<bill-auger>woo hoo - done
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08:58<twb>bandittbunk: if your terminal window looks funny, close it and open a new one
08:58<bandittbunk>Ok thanks
08:58<bill-auger>give the cd to your friend and wish her to be happy
08:58<twb>bandittbunk: you probably ran cat on the wrong file
08:58<bandittbunk>i have a solution problem thanks TWB You ar the best bill-auger
08:58<bandittbunk>ok :D
08:58<bandittbunk>Bye
08:58<twb>bandittbunk: OK, no worries
08:59<bill-auger>nah you are the best bandittbunk
09:00<bill-auger>i am third best at the most - just behind frank zappa
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09:00<twb>(If the CD is very old, maybe you make a new one)
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09:00<twb>If it says "Debian 8" or "Jessie" that is good. If it says "wheezy" or "squeeze" it is old
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09:03<bandittbunk>This CD is Version DEBIAN 8.1 Recently im got it cd Thanks everyone (I am not domain good english sorry)
09:04<bandittbunk>The CD Is Automatic Actualization!
09:05<twb>bandittbunk: your english is better than my spanish :P
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09:07<bandittbunk>xD twb and bill-auger thanks for you help and Good Bye THANKS!
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09:09<bill-auger>his english is better than my haskell too
09:10<twb>bill-auger: sadly, Haskell is not an official language in Venezuela :P
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09:19<ceh_>hack wifi
09:19<blast007>no thanks
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09:22<ceh_>ok
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09:22<ceh_>hi
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09:23<twb>ceh_: if you have a support question, please ask it. If you want to chat, try #debian-offtopic.
09:24<twb>ceh_: we do not support illegal wiretapping; for legal use, try the "kismet" and "wireshark" projects.
09:25<twb>dpkg: tell ceh_ about kali
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09:29<ceh_>oké
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09:57<LostSoul_>sney: It didn't work with e1000 nor the second one
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09:57<LostSoul_>I have no idea how to migrate this Debian 3.0
09:57<twb>LostSoul_: what is the fault?
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09:59<cra1g321>3.0 ? o.0
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10:01<spaceship>Hello everyone j'ais a question about seveur ftp ... I downloaded filzila and wondered if the internal FTP server can contain an amount of gigabytes or not
10:02<LostSoul_>cra1g321: Yeah 3.0 xen to kvm
10:02<Delf>When touching on the screen at one spot and letting go, then touching at another spot it seems to click in the first spot I touched and move/drag all the way to the spot I just touched. Is this makes the touchscreen essentially useless… Is it a known bug?
10:02<LostSoul_>I tried without upgrading the kernal but this way with different model under kvm didn't work out
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10:03<LostSoul_>With kernel upgrade seems that glic also upgrades and did mess to whole system so that I can't start portman and few other applications
10:03<LostSoul_>I have no idea how to upgrade kernel without depenencies or other changes
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10:25<FLD>how do i debug a situation where "mount server:/ /nfs/server" just hangs without any warning/error messages on either client or server side?
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10:31<spaceship>I can put my FTP local in server FTP online ?
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10:36<twb>spaceship: I strongly recommend you consider SFTP instead of FTP.
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10:36<twb>spaceship: SFTP runs over SSH, works in most GUI FTP clients, doesn't need special firewall support, and is a much simpler protocol
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10:37<grawity>not quite "most", but at least the popular ones
10:37<grawity>not counting Windows Explorer >_>
10:37<twb>grawity: and not with 2FA unfortunately :-/
10:37<spaceship>twb : I can use Sftp in filezilla ?
10:37<twb>spaceship: yes
10:37<grawity>twb: huh?
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10:38<twb>grawity: last time I looked, filezilla couldn't use RSA-2048 keys with passphrases
10:38<spaceship>twb : it is simple to change ftp on sftp ?
10:38<twb>spaceship: pretty simple, yes
10:38<grawity>I'm sure it can use passphrase'd keys
10:38<twb>grawity: OK cool
10:38<cra1g321>lftp ftw :D
10:38<spaceship>twb : how ?
10:38<grawity>that said, Filezilla does bundle a really old PuTTY SSH core
10:38<twb>grawity: so no ECDSA :P
10:38<grawity>which means it's actually a poor choice for a SFTP client
10:39<twb>spaceship: OK do you already have SSH set up?
10:39<grawity>twb: well, at least PuTTY *upstream* supports both ECDSA and Ed25519, so if Filezilla ever updates, it'll be ok
10:39<twb>spaceship: e.g. do you connect to your linux server via putty
10:39<spaceship>TWB : No ..
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10:39<twb>How do you connect now?
10:40<spaceship>I just download Filezila and i try share my file in my other computer ( in other network)
10:41<twb>spaceship: OK so your linux computer is your laptop?
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10:41<twb>spaceship: and you want to share files with a windows user?
10:41<spaceship>twb : yes in my virtual machin
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10:41<twb>Ah, OK
10:41<spaceship>twb : yep
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10:41<twb>Linux is host and windows is VM?
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10:42<spaceship>twb : No in my laptop there are windows and virtual machine (Linux) and I try to share my file in OTHER laptop :)
10:42<twb>OK
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10:43<twb>If both were on same computer, you could share using the VM software
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10:43<twb>But never mind.
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10:43<spaceship>I know :)
10:43<twb>The normal way to remote-control a linux computer is with SSH protocol, using OpenSSH software
10:44<twb>This let's you run any command at all, but it also includes a FTP-like mode called SFTP
10:44<twb>The important thing to understand is that if you install openssh-server, you need to made sure Bad Guys cannot get in
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10:44<twb>You could do this with a firewall, or by turning SSH off when you are not using it, or by locking it down
10:45<grawity>twb: anyway, when it comes to Windows clients, WinSCP has a somewhat better history
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10:46<spaceship>I see :) In lunix there is openSSH but in windows ....?
10:46<spaceship>debian*
10:46<twb>the windows equivalent is RDP / Windows Terminal Services
10:46<twb>Or VNC
10:46<twb>You do not run that over the internet, for the same reason -- bad guys can guess passwords until they get in
10:47<twb>You can install the SSH server with "sudo apt-get install openssh-server".
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10:47<twb>You can stop the server with "sudo systemctl mask --now ssh".
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10:47<twb>You can start the server with "sudo systemctl unmask --now ssh" -- it starts by default when you install it
10:47<spaceship>Fillezilla can have an ssh serveur or i need install openssh ?
10:48<twb>Once OpenSSH is installed, you can use putty or filezilla or winscp to connect to the server
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10:48<twb>putty lets you run commands, filezilla and winscp just act like FTP
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10:48<spaceship>Ok i see :)
10:48<twb>The URL will be something like sftp://spaceship@spaceships-computer/
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10:49<spaceship>thank you I try ! :)
10:49<twb>You can also tell SSH to *only* allow SFTP, not all commands. But this is more advanced configuration :-)
10:50<spaceship>I am a beginner for now :')
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10:51<twb>For later, it looks something like this: http://sprunge.us/ichH and it goes at the end of /etc/ssh/sshd_config
10:52<spaceship>well, if i share my file with fillezilla in linux ( in the world) i juste use sftp :) BUT if i use the same thing in my windows it is the same ?
10:52<spaceship>OH AMAZING :O X)
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10:52<twb>spaceship: I don't understand the question
10:53<twb>spaceship: are you asking about Windows SFTP server?
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10:53<spaceship>if I use the same principle on windows what would make the manipulation ?
10:54<twb>I don't know
10:54<twb>openssh-server is for a linux SSH/SFTP server.
10:54<spaceship>I know :)
10:54<twb>putty/winscp/filezilla are Windows clients
10:54<twb>ssh/sftp are Linux CLI clients.
10:55<twb>For linux GUI I think you can just type sftp:// into the address bar
10:55<twb>For windows *server*, I do not know
10:55<spaceship>ok thx you man :)
10:55<grawity>filezilla and (to some extent) putty are cross-platform
10:55<grawity>bitvise winsshd is a good server for windows
10:55<grawity>closed-source freeware, but reliable
10:56<Delf>closed-source… unreliable
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10:56<grawity>better than any of my attempts to get cygwin openssh working
10:56<grawity>well, there are other opensource sshds, too
10:57<twb>putty on linux was not very good, last time I looked
10:58<grawity>which part – the ssh client, or the terminal emulator?
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10:58<twb>the latter mostly
10:58<spaceship>I try openssh and fillezilla .. :)
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10:58<twb>It was all GTK1-y
10:58<grawity>eh, they're separate for a reason
10:58<spaceship>i need to go guys sorry
10:58<grawity>though it can be compiled against gtk1, gtk2, or gtk3
10:58<twb>I just ran like "putty example.net" and it popped up a new X window
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10:58<Delf>spaceship: Good luck
10:59<spaceship>Delf : thx
10:59<twb>Maybe I should've tried pssh or something
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10:59<grawity>anyway, I don't really use it when I have openssh, but at least puttygen supports the OpenSSH's new key format better than ssh-keygen itself does >_>
10:59<grawity>namely, changing the comment field
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11:00<twb>grawity: ugh thanks. Now I'm remembering lsh key whitelisting
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11:00<twb>I used to ship GNU ssh because dropbear and OpenSSH both forced me to install the client along with the server
11:01<grawity>huh? Debian separates the client from the server just fine
11:01<twb>grawity: no it doesn't. openssh-server Depends openssh-client
11:01<twb>Because of files common to both, like ssh-keygen
11:01<twb>Unless that has changed in stretch
11:01<peter1138>It's separate but not independent.
11:01<grawity>so make a package that has those?
11:02<twb>I'm not confident in my ability to build security-sensitive packages without blowing a foot of
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11:02<Delf>Or two
11:03<twb>Anyway lsh was giving me so much grief that currently I install openssh-server and then delete the parts of openssh-client I don't want inmates to have access to, before mksquashfsing the lot
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11:03<peter1138>heh
11:03<twb>I'd have used dropbear, but because that doesn't use PAM, $PATH never gets /usr/local/sbin/
11:04<grawity>I'd have looked into setting up DPI to block outgoing SSH connections
11:04<twb>grawity: that happens already
11:05<twb>well not DPI, but every host has a default-deny l3 firewall, and the switches do too
11:06<twb>I still don't want them to have an SSH client though, because defense-in-depth
11:06<twb>Dumb example: pygame was included as a helper library, and one of them managed to use libreoffice and the pygame examples dir to write a space invaders game
11:07<twb>Nobody thought "I'd better remove that example dir" until then
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11:09<twb>Home time
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12:26<Guest4023>how many swap on disk is required when on large ram eg 8 16 or 32 gb
12:26<Guest4023>i assume x2
12:26<mtn>Guest4023: none, unless you want to use hibernation
12:26<somiaj>Guest4023: what is the use of the machine? Do you want to use suspend-to-disk (hibernate)? How much memeory do you expect to use in your daily applications?
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12:27<Guest4023>no hibernate
12:28<mtn>Guest4023: then you likely don't need any swap with lots of ram
12:28<Guest4023>thx
12:28<mtn>Guest4023: like somiaj mentioned, it depends on your needs
12:28<somiaj>Guest4023: on my desktop (12 gigs) I don't use swap, but I rarely use over 4-6 gigs of ram and the rest just gest used as cache.
12:28<somiaj>Guest4023: if you have a large server with lots of issues, you can eat trhough 32gigs of ram quickly and need swap.
12:28<somiaj>issues=users
12:29<Guest4023>jep
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12:31<Shurakai>Guest4023: Depends. I've got 32 GB of RAM in my laptop but I recently analyzed a lot of data. My swap is set to 7 GB and 5 GB were taken
12:33<Guest4023>thx
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13:48<axel>bry
13:49<axel> /msg dpkg libc6_bug
13:50<axel>;)
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14:21<LostSoul_>I will paste you some output of this debian 3 while I try to upgrade kernel to version that would support kvm virtual interfaces
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14:23<vortek>goerge foremon mohamid ali fight highlights
14:24<vortek>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVseoF1-p3M
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14:25-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
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14:34<LostSoul_>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/39b50b4c/
14:34<LostSoul_>And after that I'm getting GLIC2 error on screen, I will paste screenshot of that
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14:37<blast007>LostSoul_: don't mix releases
14:38<LostSoul_>blast007: Any tip how to run this old crap in kvm?
14:38<LostSoul_>With 3.1 it helped
14:38<LostSoul_>Not nice solution but went smootly
14:38<LostSoul_>I guess this 3.0 might have already something mixed
14:39<LostSoul_>But I need to run it under kvm as I'm moving from xen
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14:39<blast007>!frankendebian
14:39<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
14:39<LostSoul_>Thanks dpkg
14:39<LostSoul_>Worth a try
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14:40<blast007>why do you need a 3.0 box?
14:40<LostSoul_>Old stuff is working there and for some more time it's needed
14:41<LostSoul_>This VM was working for 5 years without single crash
14:41<towo`>you can't install lenny package on a debian woody
14:41<blast007>keep it on Xen then
14:41<towo`>and is't stupid to use debian sarge nowdays productive
14:41<LostSoul_>As I said sarge was able to use lenny kernel but seems woody can't
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14:42<LostSoul_>towo`: Tell me
14:42<LostSoul_>But I'm not one to decide here
14:42<LostSoul_>I'm here to migrate, sorry to bother you, but I have no more ideas how to do it
14:43<LostSoul_>So that's why I decide to find some linux gurus as I'm kinda newbie
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14:43<LostSoul_>Google can't help me as he doesn't have much info on 3.0 :)
14:44<blast007>3.0 hasn't had security updates since 2006, 3.1 hasn't had security updates since 2008
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14:45<LostSoul_>It's internal system
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14:45<LostSoul_>So it's not big deal here anyway
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14:48<Quibus>hi all
14:49<warhead>Hi Quibus
14:49<Quibus>I have an external HDD here, which is full according to my shell (echo "Hi" >test results in "No space left on device"), but it keeps saying that even if I erase like 1.5GB
14:49<Quibus>What could be the matter?
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14:51<retrospectacus>empty the trash?
14:51<Quibus>I did it from the command line...
14:51<Quibus>I don't think 'rm -rf' has a trash
14:52<melmothX_>Quibus: checked dmesg for I/O errors?
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14:52<Quibus>yep, no errors
14:52<Quibus>It's ext3 though, mounted as ext4
14:52<Quibus>I do see this: [sdg] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
14:53<melmothX_>those removed files are not by chance log files kept open by other processes?
14:54<Quibus>no, just an avi
14:54<LostSoul_>http://i.imgur.com/TCjjXO3.jpg
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14:55<Quibus>It's an 1.8T large partition
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14:56<Quibus>gparted says there's 41GB free
14:57<babilen>Quibus: Run 'sync', check for inodes, unmount/mount the device, ...
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14:57<Quibus>babilen: sync has been run, doesn't matter
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14:57<Quibus>babilen: umount/mount has been done, doesn't matter
14:58<melmothX_>Quibus: root probably has a percent of space reserverd
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14:58<babilen>Maybe even more than one :)
14:58<Quibus>babilen: what do you mean with "Check for inodes"? tune2fs says: Free inodes: 121999571
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14:58<melmothX_>Quibus: can we have the output of "df" for that device?
14:59<Quibus>udev 4079368 0 4079368 0% /dev
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14:59<babilen>Quibus: I'd recommend to look at "df -i"
14:59<Quibus>oops, sorry
14:59<Quibus>/dev/sdg4 1921274004 1877395512 0 100% /media/manuel/DATA
15:00<Quibus>/dev/sdg4 122003456 3879 121999577 1% /media/manuel/DATA
15:00<Quibus>that's without and with -i
15:00<babilen>Quibus: What does "tune2fs -l /path/to/filesystem" say for that filesystem?
15:01<Quibus>babilen: I'll put that in a pastebin, wait a sec
15:01<babilen>http://paste.debian.net
15:01<Quibus>http://paste.debian.net/735492/
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15:02<jelly>Quibus: this is normal. Unix filesystems have a portion of space reserved for usage by one specific user, usually root, usually 5% of block space.
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15:03<jelly>Quibus: you can see this in the output you pasted as "Reserved block count" and "Reserved blocks uid"
15:03<babilen>Quibus: You have 24400425 blocks reserved for root (as you can see in that output). If you want to make that available you could run something like "tune2fs -m 0 /path/to/filesystem"
15:03<babilen>Those blocks are reserved to root (as is traditional)
15:04<Quibus>OK, good point guys
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15:04<Quibus>as root I can write on it :-)
15:04<jelly>"0" is a bit too much, but 1-2% is saner than 5%. You'll still see SIGNIFICANT fragmentation if you create large files in this situation
15:04<Quibus>the disk is full of very large files
15:05<Quibus>What will be done with the space for root, jelly?
15:05<melmothX_>that doesn't change the fact that the OP removed 1.6Gb and can't write 2 bytes, though
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15:05<jelly>Quibus: it's reserved for critical situations, not meant to be used at all in normal situations
15:05<babilen>melmothX_: There's still not enough free for the user
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15:05<Quibus>jelly: like what? It's an USB external HDD...
15:05<babilen>jelly: On an external harddrive?
15:06<jelly>then "what will be done" depends on Quibus, innit
15:06<jelly>I thought the question was about the general idea
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15:07<babilen>It's about this specific situation I guess. I see no necessity to reserve space for root on an external harddrive that is used for data storage
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15:08<Quibus>me neither, but I'd like to be sure before I run myself into trouble setting it to 0
15:08<jelly>sure, as long as they don't care about performance going down (up to 3-4 _times_)
15:08<babilen>Well, the drive is full .. one way or another
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15:09<Quibus>5% on 1.8TB is quite a lot isn't it?
15:09<jelly>if it doesn't matter those last couple movies will be read at 15MB/s instead of 60MB/s, then go ahead and fill it to the brim
15:09<babilen>If Quibus needs that space right now it can be used, but you shouldn't file it to 100% in any case (regardless of user)
15:09<Quibus>I put it on 1% for now
15:09<Quibus>that's still 10GB
15:10<Quibus>well, 18 :-)
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15:10<babilen>s/file/fill
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15:11<jelly>s,(s/file/fill),\1/,
15:12<joelkraehemann>How to fix this: make[2]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Ziel „debian/certs/benh@debian.org.cert.pem“,?
15:12<Quibus>OK, thanks for the support guys!
15:12<joelkraehemann>^^ no rule for target
15:12<jelly>!localized errors
15:12<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
15:12<Quibus>All clear now.
15:12<jelly>joelkraehemann: is that a failed make deb-pkg ?
15:12<joelkraehemann>make-kpkg
15:13<joelkraehemann>from kernel-package
15:14<jelly>joelkraehemann: set CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_KEY=""
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15:16<joelkraehemann>This is set but there is CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS="debian/certs/benh@debian.org.cert.pem"
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15:18<jelly>Apr 29 17:44:49 <bwh> Corsac: CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_KEY is the key to sign with during the build; the default value is something like "certs/signing-key.pem" which is automagically gen
15:18<jelly>erated
15:18<jelly>Apr 29 17:45:01 <bwh> CONFIG_MDOULE_SIG_ALL enables signing during the build
15:18<jelly>Apr 29 17:45:37 <bwh> and CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS specifies keys to be trusted but *not* used during the build
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15:18<jelly>curse you, less, for wrapping that one line
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15:19<joelkraehemann>thank you jelly
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15:50<anonymous>sito
15:50<anonymous>hola
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15:52<anonymous>sito
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15:52<avapxia>nick ROBArt
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15:54<magikz>hola sito
15:55<magikz>me cago en vosotros contestarme >(
15:55<magikz>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
15:55<magikz>eeeeeeeeeeeee
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16:07<cruncher>!es
16:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:10<ersoy>!kfreebsd
16:10<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
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16:20<cmarzullo>any ideas where to set kernel parameters in a preseed? Need to enable console from pxe.
16:21<cmarzullo>d-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts maybe?
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16:25<Xylon>hi is there any info on what's going on with iceweasel/firefox right now
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16:30<Xylon>bit strange to get a package renamed with no official explanation anywhere
16:31<Xylon>or why there's an "Iceweasel>Firefox ESR button in my menu
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16:32<lostatwork>!firefox
16:32<dpkg>From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages will shortly appear in both jessie and sid. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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16:34<Xylon>mk thanks
16:34<calebwill>Xylon: also https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600 (you can subscribe the DSA)
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16:35<Xylon>ah, I see
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16:36<Xylon>might just do that
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16:43<Xylon>wow it really brings back memories seing the FireFox logo
16:43<Xylon>like when I used to use Windows when I was 15
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17:03<toobaz>Hello. I'm quite confused: "uname -a" says I'm running "4.5.0-2-amd64", but "apt-cache policy" says that "linux-image-4.5.0-2-amd64" is not installed (while "linux-image-4.4.0-1-amd64" is, for instance)
17:04<toobaz>... and I discovered this because of an error modprobing a module, caused by the fact that the "kerrnel" folder inside "/lib/modules/4.5.0-2-amd64/" is missing
17:06<toobaz>oops... I think I got it. I had uninstalled it by mistake, and hadn't rebooted since
17:06<toobaz>sorry for the noise
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17:24<Quibus>good night
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17:41<fix|sputnik>Halp, I just powered on an old poweredge 1850 we decomissioned recently, and apparently it wasnt powered off properly, and it gets past grub, says fsck must be ran manually, but rather than giving me a chance to do that, the damn thing isnt even dropping into a shell, its just rebooting continuously! Any suggestions how I can drop into a shell to run fsck to fix this problem?
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17:41<fix|sputnik>Its got Squeeze LTS on it btw
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17:46<swyngaard>try using a live boot usb or CD and run fsck from there
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17:48<fix|sputnik>ugh why cant I just do it from the grub menu argh!!
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17:48<fix|sputnik>it does get to the grub menu but the so called emergency/repair mode or whatever also fails to boot
17:49<fix|sputnik>I managed to control x whatever was about to reboot it tho
17:49<fix|sputnik>Im at a shell, but file system is read only, lol
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17:49<fix|sputnik>no ssh
17:49<fix|sputnik>dammit
17:51<Xylon>thanks for telling us everything you do
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18:05<cruncher>does anyone use mplayer and know how to prevent mplayer on setting the volume on 50% on every start? i tried already softvol+volume in the .mplayer/config file
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18:07*fix|sputnik Thinks Xylon is a fucking asshole
18:07<cruncher>it resets my main volume to 50%, so every program from then on has 50%
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18:09<fix|sputnik>fsck: not found ok who is the asshole responsible for this "rescue mode"
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18:13<captnfab>cruncher: does mpv do the same?
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18:16<cruncher>captnfab, i'll have to install that and try
18:17<cruncher>just im really surprised.. i use many players, from bino, kaffeine to vlc, and i have never seen an issue like that
18:17<cruncher>otherwise i was really happy with mapler
18:17<fix|sputnik>better yet, ckfs and fap. ill try that.
18:17<cruncher>mplayer, maybe even the lightest so far
18:17<fix|sputnik>useless twats
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18:18<cruncher>captnfab, no, mpv behaves normally
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18:21<captnfab>at least, that's a workarround… did you try to rename ~/.mplayer/config to check if a config option is responsible for the unwanted behavior?
18:21<cruncher>captnfab, the config file was already empty
18:21<captnfab>ok, no idea then, sorry :)
18:22<cruncher>i managed to get it quieter with af=volume=-20:1, but still the main pulseaudio volume stays at 50%
18:22<cruncher>...when i close mplayer
18:23<cruncher>captnfab, thank you, at least i can use mpv (although i didnt like that it wanted to install youtube-dl)
18:23<cruncher>strange that vlc is unusable since months, even while there were some updates between
18:23<captnfab>it uses it when you « mpv http://some.streaming/site »
18:25<cruncher>well, at least i can watch now videos without getting deaf
18:25<cruncher>captnfab, thank you for the mpv hint
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18:26<captnfab>you're welcome, I hope you'll find a way to fix the mplayer behavior, maybe a bugreport (if none exists) would be a way… :)
18:27<cruncher>nah, already deinstalled mplayer
18:27<cruncher>as far as i have seen there are already bugs for that reported
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18:35<ats>alguem ai
18:35<ats>?
18:36<cruncher>!pt
18:36<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:40<plugwash>i've just done an apt-get upgrade on a jessie system and now postgresql wont start
19:40<plugwash>is anyone else having this problem, does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about troubleshooting this
19:41<mtn>plugwash: any errors? tried starting it from command line to see?
19:41*plugwash isn't sure how to manually start a postgresql server from the command line
19:42<mtn>plugwash: how do you normally start it? you don't know what the command is?
19:43<plugwash>normally it is started by the init system
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19:45<mtn>plugwash: google to the rescue: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/server-start.html
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19:45<petn-randall>plugwash: Can you show us the output of 'pg_lsclusters' and the _full_ output of '/etc/init.d/postgresql restart'? → http://paste.debian.net
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19:49<plugwash>http://paste.debian.net/736184/ (note to clear up any confusion, the box is running debian amd64 despite what it's hostname may lead you to belive)
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19:51<petn-randall>plugwash: "ExecStart=/bin/true"
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19:51<plugwash>yeah, I was wondering about that but I haven't touched the service file
19:51<petn-randall>Oh wait, it's a generator unit
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19:52<petn-randall>plugwash: run 'systemctl', there should be a different unit file name named postgresql@9.4 or something like that.
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19:53<petn-randall>plugwash: "/postg" should search for it in the less instance that 'systemctl' returns.
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19:55<plugwash>ok, I think I may have found the problem
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19:55<plugwash>the service I see in that list is for 9.1 but i'm now using 9.4
19:55<plugwash>the question is how do I fix this?
19:56<petn-randall>plugwash: Did you cleanly install? It should do that by default.
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19:59<petn-randall>plugwash: Try 'systemctl daemon-reload'
19:59<plugwash>what does that do?
20:00*plugwash tried it and it didn't seem to make any difference
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20:01<plugwash>The system started off as a wheezy system with postgresql 9.1, a week or so ago I upgraded it to jessie and 9.4 using pg_updatecluster (which took serveral attempts)
20:01<plugwash>then today I ran a routine apt-get upgrade and soon afterwards discovered postgresql wasn't working
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20:24<plugwash>I figured out I could manually start the server with pg_ctlcluster 9.4 main start
20:25<plugwash>but that still doesn't help me fix systemd
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20:36<calebwill>plugwash: what does "systemctl status postgresql@9.4-main.service" say?
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20:39<plugwash>● postgresql@9.4-main.service - PostgreSQL Cluster 9.4-main
20:39<plugwash> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/postgresql@.service; disabled)
20:39<plugwash> Active: inactive (dead)
20:39<calebwill>plugwash: and if you start it? (maybe not while it's already running from the pg_ctlcluster command)
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20:40<calebwill>plugwash: did you read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.systemd ?
20:42<plugwash>no, I wasn't aware it existed, that clears things up
20:44<plugwash>what I expect happened is that when I did the first updatecluster the old cluster got set as manual, then when I had to redo the update cluster the new cluster ended up set as manual as well
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20:48<plugwash>calebwill, ok so i've set the cluster to "auto" now what do I do to make systemd aware of that?
20:49<plugwash>it mentions postgresql-generator but doesn't tell me how I should use it
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20:50<calebwill>plugwash: i would try "systemctl restart postgresql" first
20:53<plugwash>ok, it's listed as running but "disabled"
20:54<plugwash>i'm not sure if that is normal with the debian postgresql systemd setup
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20:56<calebwill>plugwash: it's normal for postgresql@9.4-main.service to say it's disabled
21:01<plugwash>:) now to move on to working out why my dose upgrade broke wanna-build
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21:08<plugwash>calebwill, petn-randall thanks for the help
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21:16<joelkraehemann>What am I doing wrong with gpg?
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21:17<joelkraehemann> gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'gsequencer-0.7.27.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
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21:22<plugwash>what is the full command you are running and where did you get the files you are running it with?
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21:27<R4F_Debian>Hi all
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21:29<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I've installed tor in my Debian Jessie, but as I can see, it's just as described in Debian man pages : a connection-oriented anonymizing communication service
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21:31<plugwash>R4F_Debian, and your question is?
21:31<R4F_Debian>'tor' as just a service is available in Debian Stable repositories. In this case, how to access 'onion' sites ?
21:31<R4F_Debian>Hi plugwash, thanks for attention !
21:32<R4F_Debian>For, it is not a good idea getting Tor Browser through third part
21:33<joelkraehemann> gpg --verify gsequencer-0.7.27.tar.gz.sig
21:33<joelkraehemann> gpg: Signature made Sat Jun 11 00:37:07 2016 UTC using RSA key ID 301377A6
21:33<joelkraehemann> gpg: Good signature from "Jo�l Kr�hemann (Maintainer of Advanced Gtk+ Sequencer) <jkraehemann@gmail.com>"
21:33<joelkraehemann> gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'gsequencer-0.7.27.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
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21:34<calebwill>R4F_Debian: Debian does have a torbrowser-launcher package, but i don't know anything about how to use it.
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21:35<R4F_Debian>Hi celewill. but the name of package is 'torbrowser-launcher' ?
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21:35<joelkraehemann>plugwash, these are my own files
21:36<calebwill>R4F_Debian: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/torbrowser-launcher
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21:36<calebwill>joelkraehemann: have you tried signing with --detach-sig?
21:36<joelkraehemann>no
21:36<R4F_Debian>you are right, calewill, the exact name of this package is 'torbrowser-launcher'
21:36<joelkraehemann>I had never to do so
21:38<R4F_Debian>Thanks for Support, calewill !
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21:41<joelkraehemann>calebwill, thank you
21:41<R4F_Debian>done here, calewill, Really thanks for Help and Great Support ! :)
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21:42<calebwill>you're welcome
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21:43<R4F_Debian>Thanks a lot calewill. Nice and Glad to see you here !
21:43<R4F_Debian>:)
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21:44<R4F_Debian>See you ! Bye !
21:44<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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