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---Logopened Sun Jun 12 00:00:57 2016
00:02<somiaj>unrar (the non-free version) will be in the non-free repos, you will need to enable those if you want to install non-free software
00:02<somiaj>,v unrar
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00:29<rafal>what's up?
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00:33<ryouma>i am running an x command using cron, and there are errors. seems i need to somehow tell it where x is? what is the usual solution here?
00:34<somiaj>ryouma: give the full path so instead of staying 'find' say '/usr/bin/find'
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00:36<ryouma>somiaj: i think i have the path stuff down pat. but cron doesn't run from inside my x session. at elast, that is what i think the issue is.
00:36<ryouma>somiaj: so like if i run xdpyinfo from cron, it doesn't work
00:36<somiaj>yes that can be the issue too, do you know what a shell is?
00:37<ryouma>yes
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00:37<somiaj>cron will run in its own shell and not have the enviroment set up to know about the location of the xserver
00:37<somiaj>if you are running this cron process as the user that controls x, you can sometimes just set up the enviorment correctly with DISPLAY=":0"
00:37<somiaj>or whatever the dispaly is
00:38<ryouma>ah thanks
00:38<rafal>How's everyone doing ?
00:38<ryouma>can i set this at the top of my crontab?
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00:39<somiaj>rafal: this is a support channel for help with the debian os, if you have a question about #debian please ask, but this isn't a place for off topic chat
00:39<somiaj>ryouma: include it in the command that cron runs, or have it run a script and set this up in teh script
00:39<rafal>Right on
00:40<rafal>Kali too ?
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00:41<somiaj>rafal: nope, just debian pure blends. Kali is a different os and his its own support system
00:41<rafal>Okay I'll find the server
00:41<somiaj>!kali
00:41<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
00:42<rafal>Thank you
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02:59<rak[0]>i am running an install of debian which has systemd. my vur
03:01<rak[0]>current issue is receiving, Systemd:Time has been changed at boot
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03:02<rak[0]>it floods and iam unable to continue
03:03<rak[0]>any suggestions?
03:04<rak[0]>a
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03:05<babilen>https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1143
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03:05<babilen>Might want to check time in your BIOS
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03:06<rak[0]>aye
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03:47<hdi>Hi. I use Debian Jessie with backports. There was a new release of cinnamon-desktop yesterday in backports (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/cinnamon) . However when I try to install it, one of the dependencies doesn't exist in backports yet. What is the solution?
03:48<hdi>apt-get upgrade -t jessie-backports cinnamon
03:48<hdi>[....]
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03:48<hdi>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:48<hdi> cinnamon : Depends: gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0 (>= 2.8) but 2.2.6-4 is to be installed
03:48<hdi> Depends: libmuffin0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.2.6-4 is to be installed
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03:50<babilen>hdi: Run "apt-get -t jessie-backports install cinnamon"
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03:50<hdi>babilen: the same error, the issue is libmuffin's version doesn't meet the dependency
03:52<babilen>There does not appear to be a backport of muffin to jessie-backports
03:53<hdi>right, and without that, the cinnamon backport won't install as far as I can tell....
03:53<babilen>Exactly
03:53<babilen>And no .. it shouldn't be like that
03:53<hdi>Should I file a bug-report somewhere?
03:53<babilen>You might want to contact #debian-cinnamon, their mailing list or whoever maintains the backport
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03:56<hdi>ok thank you ... where do I typically find contact info?
03:56<hdi>(for a particular package)
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03:59<hdi>Is it this? Debian Cinnamon Team <pkg-cinnamon-team@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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04:01<hdi>or this https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-announce/
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04:10<babilen>hdi: You typically find it on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/muffin, in the output of "apt-cache show <PKG>" or on the team's website. For backports you can also use https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ and CC the maintainer of the backported package in question.
04:10<hdi>babilen, thanks
04:12<babilen>The backport's mailing list is probably the most appropriate for problems with backported packages, but if the backport is being maintained by the maintainer or team of the backported package they might prefer to discuss things on their team mailing list/IRC channel.
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04:27<hdi>on a separate question: what is the process for adding a package to Debian repositories?
04:28<babilen>hdi: You package it, find a sponsor and have it uploaded -- https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
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04:31<hdi>babilen, thank you, exact link I was looking into. I maintain a python library and a number of heavy users have requested if I could add it to the repositories, and I told I'll look into the process
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04:33<babilen>hdi: In that case it would probably the best idea to maintain it within the Python Modules Team -- https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonModulesTeam
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05:02<acer3452>hi
05:02<acer3452>how can i install usb wifi? thans
05:02<acer3452>thanks
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05:12<narcan>acer3452: hi, did you read that: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#P.2BAOk-riph.2BAOk-riques_USB ?
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06:12<karpi>I have tried lighttpd, micro-httpd and now trying nginx, all can connect on localhost, but none can serve documents to web.
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06:26<karpi>hehe, ufw blocked it. now works. thank you! bye bye
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06:48<Verwirred>hi, need some help with the packet "docsis".
06:48<Verwirred>https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=docsis&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any
06:49<Verwirred>There is one hit. but the package isn't really there
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07:06<scootergrisen>If i run apt-get dist-upgrade and the system whats to upgrade like iceweasel/Firefox are there any reason that i should close iceweasel before i upgrade?
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07:08<scootergrisen>It seems apt-get want to install firefox-esr
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07:08<scootergrisen>And it also wants to upgrade iceweasel
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07:12<Xylon>hi does anyone know why the new firefox uses massive CPU and keeps cutting out on youtube?
07:12<Xylon>I have access to higher resolutions so maybe it's using a different video format...
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07:13<Xylon>it's maxing out a core of my AMD phenom 9750
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07:14<scootergrisen>Nice. Now i have Firefox ESR 45.2.0 on Debian
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07:24<dan_>Hey guys
07:24<dan_>Is it possible to install Java 8 on Debian 7?
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07:29<dan_>Anyone able to answer?
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07:34<samkod>I'm trying to echo a line, awk the 3rd column and display it with a message so something like this:
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07:34<samkod>echo 1 2 3 | awk '{print $3}' MESSAGE HERE
07:35<samkod>I know I'm missing a bracket somewhere...just don't know where to put it to get column 3 with a message next to it, any thoughts?
07:36<grawity>no, you're missing the understanding of awk's syntax
07:37<samkod>oh?
07:37<grawity>do `awk --help`, see how the examples look like "awk {somescript} /path/to/file"
07:37<grawity>if you want to print $3 and some extra text, well, put it next to the 'print'
07:38<grawity>like: | awk '{print $3, "is cool"}'
07:38<grawity>alternatively: | awk '{print $3 " is cool"}'
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07:39<grawity>but when you do `awk '{print $3}' MESSAGE HERE`, well, it expects "MESSAGE" and "HERE" to be *files* to read
07:39<grawity>instead of the |'d stdin
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07:44<samkod>thanks!
07:44<samkod>that worked
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07:48<samkod>suppose I wanted to list a variable in that same message, is that even achievable the route I am going?
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08:31<scootergrisen>I have just upgraded from iceweasel to firefox esr. I have found a bug. Where should i report it?
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09:57<Guest4187>hey whatup?
09:57<Guest4187>bum
09:57<Guest4187>bum
09:57<Guest4187>bum
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10:16<edgrey>2dan, try this http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html
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10:38<TheSuperGeek>Hello
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11:46<oenings>I'm trying to start graphical programs without ssh, but using DISPLAY variable and setting $ xhost +, but it says "xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: XSERVERIP:0". Any ideas how to get it work?
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11:50<oenings>Any ideas how to get remote X work without SSH?
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11:52<TheSuperGeek>oenings: maybe with VNC
11:53<oenings>The problem is that communication needs to be over X protocol
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11:55<musca>!xhost
11:55<dpkg>xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show x11-xserver-utils | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>.
11:56<oenings>I think xhost is necessary for using Xdmx
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12:01<oenings>!cde
12:01<dpkg>well, cde is the crappy desktop environment or laughable when it takes >45 seconds to load on a alpha box with 192 megs of ram. Common Desktop Environment, derived from HP's VUE. Non-free, evil. very ugly, or the spawn of satan. Commercial Desktop Environment, or as ugly as xfce
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12:05<sweetnurse>hi
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12:19<TobiX>Anyone know a good markdown preview application?
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12:22<sweetnurse_>Maybe))0
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13:11<marv>has anybody been able to boot win10x86 in VirtualBox with an Intel CPU that doesn't support VT-x (Intel Virtualization Technology)
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13:13<Baka>salut :)
13:13<Baka>comment joindre le chat français ?
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13:17<TheSuperGeek>Baka: /join #debian-fr
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13:17<Baka>thank you
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13:19<Adyrhan>wiki.debian.org seems down :/
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13:22<Adyrhan>how do I change the keyboard layout for tty permanently? It only sets my keyboard layout if I start the desktop
13:23<TheSuperGeek>Adyrhan: wait a minute
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13:25<TheSuperGeek>Adyrhan: http://benohead.com/debian-change-the-keyboard-layout-from-the-console/
13:26<Adyrhan>TheSuperGeek, I'll check it, thanks !
13:26<TheSuperGeek>Adyrhan: you're welcome
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13:28<Adyrhan>Oh so setupcom does the trick, I guess I can put that in the .bashrc, or .profile
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13:29<babilen>dpkg: keymap
13:29<dpkg>Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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13:44<dtw>Nowadays there is also "localectl set-x11-keymap".
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13:48<dtw>And "localectl set-keymap" for console.
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13:57<dominik>Hey guys i'm using debian since 2 weeks now and i'm super happy till now (in general i'm more of a linux newbie). I always added the backport and testing repositorys when i needed some special programms from there and commented them out when i install other stuff (so i dont get weird stuff from them when i actually just want the stable versions). Isn't there a more elegant version of what i currently do?
13:58<mtn>dominik: don't use testing at all. and you don't need to remove the backports source line, at all.
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13:58<mtn>dominik: use simple backports if you need something not in jessie backports
13:59<mtn>!tess dominik about ssb
13:59<mtn>!tell dominik about ssb
13:59<mtn>dominik: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
14:00<dominik>well, i needed the testing 4.6 kernel, but that's a long and nerve wracking story about intels lovely skylake processors
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14:02<dominik>mtn: so when i install a normal programm with apt it won
14:02<dominik>'t use the backports i added if i dont tell it to?
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14:02<mtn>dominik: no, backports only install if told to do so. otherwise, you will get the jessie repos versions
14:03<mtn>dominik: you should read the backports webpage
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14:06<dominik>mtn: ok i did that now, i should've probably read it better when i had it open the first time, but does this count for all sources i could possibly add? so will apt always only use the basic jessie repos when i dont tell it to use others (that are in the sources.list)
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14:09<mtn>dominik: no, most sources will get installed if they have the highest number, which why you don't add sources
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14:09<mtn>dominik: read the link I sent you ;)
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14:46<mnuhmnuh>in jessie, how do I make it not load some modules at boot? ie. lp parport ppdev?
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14:49<mtn>mnuhmnuh: the wiki is quite useful: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
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14:53<mnuhmnuh>mtn: muchas gracias; interesting page. :-|
14:53<mtn>mnuhmnuh: you are welcome
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14:55<alex_>hi
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15:01<mik4>I'm having a nightmare of a permissions issue and I want to cry. Essentially, I have a debian host that has a samba share mounted to a folder in it. Despite running as the standard user nzbdrone can see my samba mounted media share folder, but nothing inside it! I cannot work out what is wrong here
15:01<mik4>The share and all contents have 777 permissions
15:02<mik4>and I've even added the user to the group the samba share was setup with, on both the host and the guest (if that even makes any difference)
15:02<mik4>Nothing else running on it has any issues seeing the contents of the folder, I can't work out where I'm going wrong here
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15:50<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I'd like to know which package should I install to mount .iso images as if it could be accessed by Debian as a drive itself
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16:00<babilen>R4F_Debian: You can just mount it: https://wiki.debian.org/DiskImage#A.iso
16:01<R4F_Debian>Thanks for this information, babilen ! Really thank you !
16:01<babilen>np, yw
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16:28<R4F_Debian>back here, sorry babilen, I was absent here
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16:37<R4F_Debian> Please, babilen, according what I'm reading here, DiskImage is not a package to be installed or compiled, but a specific file designed to work as a data storage device in Debian
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16:39<petn-randall>R4F_Debian: Your .iso file is a disk image. It says so at the top of that web page.
16:39<R4F_Debian>Good ! The instructions you've passed me are complete, just have to apply them
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16:40<R4F_Debian>Thanks for that, babilen. Really practical here !
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16:41<R4F_Debian>Hi petn-randall ! Nice to see you ! Yes, in fact, I'm reading here how to use DiskImage in Debian. Thanks for hint !
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18:59<gkm>how do i make a bootable usb from an iso im on crunch bang plus plus
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19:02<gkm>how do i make USB drive bootable from iso image?
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19:03<mnuhmnuh>gkm: cp /path/to/blah.iso /dev/sdb
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19:32<speedcuber>Is there a reason why iceweasel is being held back when I do update then upgrade. I am using stable with only main repos. aptitude versions show " i A 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1 and p A 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1"
19:33<alex_>how to test with stress GRAPHIC card
19:33<alex_>???
19:34<speedcuber>Does this have something to do with the move from iw to firefox?
19:34<somiaj>speedcuber: do a dist-upgrade (it is a transitional package that needs to pull in a new package, and regular upgrades don't allow new packages to be installed
19:36<speedcuber>somiaj, thing is both are being called ic in aptitude. Maybe the repos should have the the names of "each" browser until Stretch is released.
19:37<speedcuber>somiaj, is 38.0esr going to be maintained or do i need to install a new package ?
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19:38<mnuhmnuh>alex_: glxgears?
19:38<alex_>no, more
19:38<speedcuber>lol'd that will really dig into that card of yours =)
19:38<somiaj>speedcuber: I don't follow you. Security provides fixies to browsers by using the current esr release. 38.0esr is no longer released. It just happened while debian also converted back to the firefox name, so it is a transitional package now.
19:38<somiaj>speedcuber: you do want to upgrade to the newest esr version
19:39<mnuhmnuh>alex_: WoW :-)
19:40<alex_>yesterday i use pcsxr, and some minutes later
19:40<alex_>go slow
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19:41<mnuhmnuh>alex_: ie., be a gamer. Or, some of the apps in Scientific Linux hammer anything you want.
19:41<alex_>gamer im
19:43<speedcuber>somiaj, What I meant is its all just Mozilla code. Why do I need to do a full dist-upgrade just to upgrade iw? Thought Firefox was kicking in on the next Debian release?
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19:44<somiaj>speedcuber: because the transition happened with the release of the 45esr version, and now that the 38esr version has known vulns the security team has provided the fix which is the new esr version. This is how security deals with browsers (firefox and chromium).
19:44<somiaj>speedcuber: it just happened to coincide with mozilla letting us use their trade marks again in such a way they are complient with the DSFG so debian is no longer rebranding firefox
19:45<speedcuber>Fair enough.
19:46<alex_>somiaj,
19:46<alex_>you can helpme ?
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19:52<speedcuber>alex you are prolly looking for something like phoronix test suite
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19:54<speedcuber>alex_, http://phoronix-test-suite.com or maybe its in the repos
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19:55<alex_>i dont llike EXTERNAL repos
19:55<alex_>some times they have virus
19:55<alex_>i like more FREESOTWARE
19:55<alex_>from debian.org
19:59<speedcuber>alex_, . The Phoronix Test Suite is open-source under the GNU GPLv3 or at least it was a few years ago.
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20:00<speedcuber>alex_, but like you I dont like to use anything that is not in the main repo unless it is some git code that I am working on.
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20:01<alex_>GPL Cool!
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20:02<alex_>o got
20:02<alex_>VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
20:02<alex_>i got
20:02<alex_>maybe it pice of ..... garbage
20:03<babilen>alex_: Seriously, stop cross posting
20:04<alex_>what its cross posting ?
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20:04<abrotman>alex_: please don't ask both #debian channels with the same questions at the same time
20:04<abrotman>You've been around long enouhg, you know better
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20:06<speedcuber>Found a little erratica in the docs while upgrading iw. The folder is called pref not prefs - Preferences under /etc/iceweasel/prefs will need to be copied manually to /etc/firefox-esr.
20:07<speedcuber>Little shit detail but since I was doing this over a network with scp it cased a little hickup.
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20:20<speedcuber>Well that sucks. NoScript from the main repo is incompatible with firefox 45.2 from the repo. Am I the only one getting this?
20:21<gkm2442>iso to usb program for crunchbang++?
20:21<somiaj>speedcuber: most likely it won't be updated, due to how security handels the upgrades.
20:21<somiaj>speedcuber: you can check the bts, but you may have to install no-script from elsewhere.
20:21<somiaj>speedcuber: maybe check jessie-backports
20:22<gkm2442>im using cruch right now
20:23<somiaj>gkm2442: this is not the proper place for support with crunchbang.
20:23<gkm2442>crunchbangs server is dead
20:23<speedcuber>somiaj, seems like security is handing FF in a very different way then in the past. What has changed if anything.
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20:26<somiaj>speedcuber: this changed with wheezy, browsers are to hard to backport the secuirty patch to the version in jessie and most people want a current browser as well. So due to the work the two main browsers are fixed by working with upstream and using an upstream version. Those are also the only two browsers that get any security support what so ever.
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20:33<speedcuber>somiaj, this should be interesting on how plugins will be handled in the future. Thx for the rundown btw.
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20:39<somiaj>speedcuber: check the BTS, and I think this happened during wheezy's release as well. though I think firefox is going to follow chromiums lead and do away with plugins and maybe extensions should be best gotten from mozilla, it is an esr version, so mozilla should have esr plugins
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20:43<speedcuber>somiaj, Yup its here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826896 thx
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20:44<speedcuber>ofc about:config javascript.enabled false does the trick too
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21:57<SecD1>oi?
21:57<SecD1>alguem BR?
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22:05<zemataro>Hi
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22:52<ceibal>hello
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22:59<Robin>how to use it
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23:37<Jarancibia>hola
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