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01:37<fletch_>need some help anybody. I just downloaded the latest debian os on a wiped desktop and now when ever I log in it says "oh no. something went wrong" and redirects me to the login page or a black screen. Know whats wrong?
01:38<jm_>probably an issue with graphics, perhaps consider using something other than gnome
01:39<jm_>or find out exact reason for the problem
01:40<fletch_>is gnome something other than debian, or is the part that I picked during set up?
01:40<jm_>it's the default desktop environment, there are other options - xfce lxde are lighter, kde is somewhat similar
01:40<jm_>but it might be as simple as a missing firmware, who knows
01:41<fletch_>do you know if I have to delete everything and re-download to get soething other than gnome?
01:41<fletch_>"something"
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01:42<jm_>no, you simple install another thing next to it assuming there's enough free space left, but maybe spend some time investigating things first, i.e. check gdm/session log
01:42<jm_>simply*
01:44<fletch_>I have enough free space, so just type that in and see what it says? sorry im new at computers
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01:46<jm_>let's check the log first
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01:49<fletch_>okay ill get it going, but during startup it says error something and then can not register or something with the serial port but it works through it to get me to the login screen. could that have something to do with it?
01:50<jm_>probably not, do you see that error in 'journalctl' output if you run it as root?
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01:52<jm_>do you have ~/.cache/gdm or /var/cache/gdm ?
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02:15<fletch_>hey sorry game of thrones has me tied up for a bit
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02:26<jm_>sure no problem
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03:06<fletch_>So I just downloaded the newest i386 debian on a wiped desktop. When ever I go to log in it says "uh oh, something went wrong" Im not sure what to do? Any body have a clue?
03:06<jm_>do you have ~/.cache/gdm or /var/cache/gdm ?
03:07<fletch_>hey nice to see your still on. how would i tell?
03:07<jm_>login and check?
03:07<fletch_>okay so I logged in where would it say?
03:08<jm_>ls -l ~/.cache/gdm or /var/cache/gdm
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03:08<fletch_>so type those in?
03:08<jm_>yes
03:08<fletch_>okay
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03:10<fletch_>typed in the the second one and it said its a directory
03:11<jm_>and the first?
03:11<fletch_>stupid question but where do you find the wavy symbol?
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03:12<jm_>on us keyboard it's shift + key_left_of_1
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03:12<jm_>you can also type ls -l $HOME/.cache/gdm instead
03:12<jm_>or cd && ls -l .cache/gdm
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03:15<jm_>you need to do that as the user who you tried to login with in gdm, not as root btw
03:16<fletch_>it says no such file or directory but gives me a list of things
03:17<jm_>what did you type exactly?
03:17<fletch_>oh and says cannot access .cache/gdm right before that
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03:19<fletch_>I typed "ls -l ~/ .cache/gdm"
03:19<jm_>aha no space between / and .!
03:19<fletch_>ohhhh
03:19<fletch_>thanks
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03:20<fletch_>it says no such file or directory
03:21<jm_>ok so let's check files in /var/cache/gdm - cd there and run ls -lrt, put the last file listed on the paste site
03:21<jm_>!paste
03:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
03:21<jm_>the first one preferably
03:22<fletch_>so type in "/var/cache/gdm - cd there and run ls -lrt"?
03:23<jm_>cd /var/cache/gdm<enter>ls -lrt<enter>
03:23<jm_>you are definitely a candidate for reading some material after this is done
03:24<fletch_>I know! this stuff is hard!
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03:26<fletch_>Okay another noob question, what do I do? Im using my laptop to type this while i work on the desktop
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03:26<fletch_>the last file is documents
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03:27<jm_>is there anything with session in the name?
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03:28<jm_>does the debian system have access to internet?
03:29<fletch_>no but is says that there are 32 total but is only showing me 8
03:29<fletch_>yes it does
03:29<jm_>ok then try 'apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl', did it install?
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03:32<fletch_>it says could not open lock file
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03:32<fletch_>then says are you root? after a couple things
03:32<jm_>yeah you need to do it as root
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03:33<fletch_>okay, how do I do that?
03:33<fletch_>and thanks so much for the help
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03:34<jm_>login as root on another tty, ctrl-alt-f2 and login, ctrl-alt-f1 should get you back to the other session
03:35<fletch_>okay what would be the root? What I named the computer?
03:36<jm_>no, root is the superuser, it asked you for root password during install
03:36<jm_>so username is root
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03:36<fletch_>sweet got it!
03:38<fletch_>downloaded all that stuff
03:38<fletch_>oh its still going
03:38<jm_>it should be relatively small
03:39<fletch_>okay its done
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03:39<jm_>no back to user, 'ls -lrt /var/cache/gdm | nopaste'
03:39<jm_>that's one command line, press enter only after nopaste
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03:40<fletch_>how do you get that straight line?
03:40<fletch_>nm
03:41<gour>morning
03:41<jm_>did it give you the URL back?
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03:42<fletch_>yeah http://paste.debian.net/
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03:42<gour>i plan to convert my (sid) system from btrfs (using subvolumes) to xfs and wonder if you can give me some estiamte how much space to dedicate for root partition?
03:42<jm_>it should be more than that
03:42<jm_>gour: for sid ask in #debian-next
03:43<gour>jm_: does it really make a difference?
03:43<jm_>gour: yes
03:43<gour>jm_: ok. thanks
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03:43<jm_>fletch_: are you sure you typed it exactly as I said?
03:43<fletch_>before that it said no form defined at /(buch of stuff)
03:44<fletch_>ill try again
03:44<jm_>it should give you back an URL like http://paste.debian.net/739013
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03:47<fletch_>hmmm, yeah said the same thing. "No form defined at /usr/share/per15/App/Nopaste/Service/Codepeek.pm line 19.
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03:48<jm_>that's OK, after that should be the full URL line
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03:49<fletch_>it gave me the same thing as before
03:49<jm_>you did not type the command as I gave you :)
03:50<jm_>did you type the | character properly?
03:50<fletch_>haha okay Ill try again
03:50<jm_>ls -lrt /var/cache/gdm | nopaste<enter>
03:50<fletch_>The one above enter?
03:50<jm_>it has to be exactly like that
03:50<jm_>well yeah above enter sounds OK
03:51<jm_>the only way I get the generic URL is if there's no input for nopaste
03:53<fletch_>i swear im typing in in right "ls -lrt /var/cache/gdm | nopaste"
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03:54<fletch_>do i have to be in root?
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03:54<jm_>if the command without |nopaste part shows directory listing then no, does it?
03:55<fletch_>Ill try it in root and see what happens
03:56<fletch_>gave me the same thing
03:56<fletch_>the the generic url
03:57<jm_>huh, what we are trying to achieve is for me to see your dir listing without you having to type it all
03:59<fletch_>when i type in with out the | nopaste it gives me "Total 0"
03:59<fletch_>could that be the reason?
03:59<jm_>in that case I'd expect to at least see "Total 0" on the paste site
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04:00<fletch_>huh
04:01<jm_>but yeah total 0 means there's nothing useful there anyway
04:01<fletch_>dang! Okay so where to now?
04:02<jm_>does this show something? 'ls -l /home/*/.cache/gdm' or 'ls -l /home/*/.xsession-errors'?
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04:04<fletch_>shows no such file or directory
04:06<jm_>for both?
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04:06<grawity>I don't think gdm has ever used /var/cache tbh
04:07<fletch_>for both
04:07<grawity>try `journalctl -b` instead
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04:07<jm_>yeah I remember when I helped someone it was in ~/.cache/gdm or somesuch, maybe ~/.cache/gdm3?
04:07<fletch_>gave me a whole bunch of stuff grawity
04:08<jm_>but I don't use gdm so can't check here
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04:10<fletch_>okay i see something in like the 10 line. it says "notice: NX (execute disable) protection missing in cpu"
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04:12<jm_>maybe put it on the paste site, but that's not really an issue in general
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04:14<fletch_>another thing, its in red ( must be important) "couldnt register serial port de20, irq 17, type o error -28"
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04:15<jm_>again, I doubt your gnome issues are due to that
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04:16<jm_>but try journalctl -b | nopaste
04:17<fletch_>another red one "setsockopt (udp, IP_Add_Membership) (0.0.0.0): No such device
04:17<fletch_>Okay ill try
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04:20<fletch_>Okay question, it keeps scrolling and wont let me type anything in what do i hit?
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04:21<jm_>space or h/? for help
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04:22<jm_>or use it like journalctl -b --no-pager
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04:26<fletch_>I got a url!!!!!!!!!!
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04:26<jm_>holly batman
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04:27<fletch_>http://paste.debian.net/739028/
04:27<fletch_>Thats funny, i named my computer BATMAN
04:28<jm_>yeah that's why I said it :)
04:28<jm_>there is some gdm stuff, but I don't see any session related stuff in there
04:28<fletch_>how did you Know?
04:28<jm_>I looked at the paste
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04:29<fletch_>haha thats awesome. So what do you think?
04:29<jm_>can you try to login again with gdm and see if anything new shows up in journalctl output?
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04:30<fletch_>okay so what do i do? Login under my account?
04:30<jm_>ctrl-alt-f7 would get you back to graphical login I guess
04:31<jm_>yeah login as your regular user to trigger the error
04:31<fletch_>okay here it goes
04:31<fletch_>something changed
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04:32<fletch_>it says Debian 8 and my name is gone
04:33<jm_>can't you type it somewhere?
04:33<fletch_>no where for me to type it in at
04:34<fletch_>just the date and time where my name should be
04:34<jm_>what if you click with a mouse?
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04:34<fletch_>just have the buttons on the top right (power volume ect)
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04:35<jm_>yeah if you just click somewhere
04:35<fletch_>no not doing any thing, clicked every everywhere
04:36<fletch_>should i restart?
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04:36<fletch_>found it! im an idiot
04:37<fletch_>logging in now :)
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04:38<fletch_>Okay on the error screen now
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04:39<jm_>now run journalctl again and look for lines after 01:17:01
04:39<fletch_>ctr-alt-F?
04:40<jm_>f1
04:40<jm_>or f2
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04:42<fletch_>okay what am i looking for?
04:43<jm_>anything from gdm after that?
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04:45<fletch_>omg! I found something!
04:45<fletch_>unrecoverable failure in required gnome-shell.desktop
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04:47<jm_>yeah I see it now:
04:47<jm_>Jun 13 23:58:09 BATMAN /usr/bin/dbus-launch[895]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support.
04:47<jm_>Jun 13 23:58:09 BATMAN /usr/bin/dbus-launch[895]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256
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04:48<jm_>but then mentiones llvmpipe
04:49<jm_>does it log you out after you get the error?
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04:52<fletch_>no it just say "uh oh something went wrong." then is says it disables extentions and i have to hit enter after that
04:52<jm_>so it's usable? you can use it to work?
04:53<jm_>if not maybe for now install an alternative https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment, pick one and dpkg will have info about installing it
04:53<fletch_>no, after i hit enter it either logs me out or goes to black screen
04:55<fletch_>ill try lxde
04:55<jm_>!install lxde
04:55<dpkg>To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install lxde». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "LXDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
04:56<jm_>got that?
04:57<fletch_>okay its installing
04:57<fletch_>will i have to get rid of gnome?
04:57<jm_>then on login screen try to find where to change which session to use, might be top right corner
04:58<jm_>no they can both be installed, you can get rid of it later if you want to
04:58<fletch_>okay awesome its loading now
05:03<jm_>i'll be back in about 30 minutes
05:03<fletch_>okay see ya then
05:06<fletch_>hells yeah it works!!!!
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05:21<fletch_>hey man thanks a ton! Ill be on here more definetly! See you around!
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05:56<anonymous>Hi
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07:02<MeanderingCode>is anyone awake?
07:02<MeanderingCode>i am going crazy trying to figure out why i can't get initramfs to prompt for a luks passhphrase before trying to open the lvm after i retrofitted encryption on this system
07:02<MeanderingCode>i have checked everything i could find on fstab, crypttab, initramfs-tools/conf.d cryptsetup
07:03<MeanderingCode>lsinitramfs shows dm-crypt, but initramfs prompt does not have a cryptsetup command
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07:06<maker>mm, anybody ever got this error? I tried to open a pdf using evince on debian testing, with gnome and wayland:
07:06<maker>Gdk:ERROR:/build/gtk+3.0-UYMeaD/gtk+3.0-3.20.6/./gdk/wayland/gdkdisplay-wayland.c:827:_gdk_wayland_display_get_scaled_cursor_theme: assertion failed: (wayland_display->cursor_theme_name)
07:06<maker>then puf, nothing happens. exitcode 134
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07:08<jm_>for testing try #debian-next
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07:08<maker>ookay, thanks
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07:10<yuta>ss -s
07:10<yuta>when I input ss -s ,
07:10<yuta>What FRAG means?
07:11<yuta>Total: 912 (kernel 0)
07:11<yuta>TCP: 88 (estab 34, closed 34, orphaned 5, synrecv 0, timewait 34/0), ports 0
07:11<yuta>Transport Total IP IPv6
07:11<themill>MeanderingCode: have you followed /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz ?
07:11<yuta>* 0 - -
07:11<yuta>RAW 0 0 0
07:11<jm_>oplease don't paste here?
07:11<yuta>UDP 15 9 6
07:11<yuta>TCP 54 49 5
07:11<yuta>INET 69 58 11
07:11<yuta>FRAG 16 16 0
07:11<yuta>Sorry , jm_
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07:15<hellyeah>planetmaker: are you there?
07:15<hellyeah>ops
07:15<hellyeah>wrong channel sorry
07:15<MeanderingCode>themill: yes
07:15<yuta>I have a question of ss -s output.
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07:16<themill>MeanderingCode: and when you "update-initramfs -u" does it show the initramfs being rebuilt for the kernel you are running?
07:17<MeanderingCode>it shows no output, but has a 0 exit code
07:17<MeanderingCode>(this is in a chroot)
07:18<themill>ah
07:18<themill>add a -v to that to make it print out more
07:18<MeanderingCode>*this being the update-initramfs command
07:18<MeanderingCode>okay, sec
07:18<MeanderingCode>and thx
07:18<themill>you've unlocked the luks container and started lvm manually then chrooted in?
07:19<MeanderingCode>yes
07:20<MeanderingCode>"nothing to do, exiting" with -u and with -c
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07:22<themill>is your system's /boot mounted?
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07:24<MeanderingCode>yes
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07:25<jm_>heh both update-initramfs and mkinitramfs are shell scripts, can't you run them with -x set?
07:25<MeanderingCode>frak.
07:25<MeanderingCode>i decided to just delete it
07:25<MeanderingCode>and now
07:25<MeanderingCode>it built a new initrd
07:25<MeanderingCode>and finally worked
07:25<themill>yay!
07:25<MeanderingCode>that was a lot of sleep lost.
07:25<MeanderingCode>amazing that i still love linux (and debian) after nights like this
07:25<MeanderingCode>thanks for pitching in, themill
07:26<themill>np
07:26<hellyeah>:D:DD
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07:27<MeanderingCode>okay, goodnight...gonna go see if i can catch 2.5 hrs of sleep
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07:35<frazr>Hi! I'm getting more and more annoyed by selecting text in terminal, and then selecting in browser, copy and paste, and then i've removed the previously selection from the terminal , is there any way to disable the auto-selection of text in everything except terminal ?
07:35<frazr>auto-copy selection*
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07:45<hellyeah>what was the directory that system keeps package?
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07:46<jm_>/var/cache/apt/archives
07:47<jm_>it's documented in the man page
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07:47<hellyeah>thanks
07:47<jm_>no problem
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07:48<hellyeah>man apt
07:48<hellyeah>?
07:48<jm_>apt-get
07:49<hellyeah>okey
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09:43<peter1138>Hmm, seeing a lot of "WARNING: remote_cvdhead: Error while reading CVD header from db.local.clamav.net" in my logs :S
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10:05<installer>hallo, i have a hard drive with 2 partitions: 1st is free space( i am planning to install a different OS in near future),2nd Luks encrypted(this one is separated in 3 logical volumes: /root , /home , /tmp via LVM). I want to install debian on luks encrypted partition. Where should i install the bootloader?Is there any further configuration i should do to the bootloader since the partition is encrypted?
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10:08<installer>**Note: i have BIOS legacy system
10:10<mtn>installer: with a legacy boot, grub goes to the mbr
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10:13<installer>mtn: Thank you. so if install it in mbr i wont have any issues due to LUKS encryption?
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10:14<mtn>installer: I don't think so
10:15<installer>mtn: thank you fro your time
10:15<installer>*for
10:15<mtn>installer: welcome
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10:16<cruncher>installer, just be aware, that if you install i.e. windows in future to hd1, your debian wont boot anymore until you "fix" it
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10:17<cruncher>also, if you install now debian and mbr to the 2nd hd, you have to boot from the 2nd hd as well
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10:18<installer>cruncher: do i choose where to install mbr?
10:18<cruncher>yes, you can choose that
10:18<installer>since i use lvm under looks should i mark any partition as bootalbe?
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10:19<cruncher>but its the same, if you install mbr to the 1st hd, windows will overwrite it (and im not even sure that works having mbr on 1st and debian on 2nd))
10:19<cruncher>n, the problem is with your concept basically
10:19<cruncher>best would be if you install windows first (assuming it is windows that you want to install in future))
10:20<cruncher>then replace the windows boot loader with grub
10:20<matt-pls>Morning, I am on 3.20 and need to remove synaptics & evdev for touchpad support, but when I try to uninstall it tries to remove libinput-all and task-desktop? is this normal? can I reinstall after or will everything break
10:20<cruncher>or oyu install debian to the 1st hd, and when you install windows make the 2nd hd be seen as the first as windows is "egoistic"
10:20<matt-pls>input-all***
10:21<cruncher>then you just configure grub to boot windows as well
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10:21<somiaj>matt-pls: those are just meta-packages, so all they do is pull in all the packages and can be safely removed with no major effect on your system.
10:21<installer>cruncher: sounds like a good option. another question. is it easy to encryypt the bootloader?
10:21<mnuhmnuh>matt-pls: is "synclient TouchpadOff=1' not enough?
10:22<somiaj>matt-pls: just be careful, sometimes the meta-packages are holding all the other packages (which are marked as auto install) in. YOu may have to mark some packages as manual install to keep apt from thinking they should be autoremoved
10:22<cruncher>well, depends what you consider easy, but i guess the general answer is no
10:22<somiaj>matt-pls: and as another option you can use xinput or other ways and just disable the device as opposed to removing the drivers
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10:22<installer> i ll need 2 partition 1 efi unencrypted and 1 encypted right?
10:22<cruncher>and i guess with bootloader you were speaking about the debian boot partition
10:23<somiaj>installer: I thought you said you were using legacy boot, you won't need an efi partition in that case
10:23<cruncher>installer, i thought you said you have a legacy bios?
10:23<matt-pls>well I like to disable it for keyboard-nipple but have guest users who need it on. FN disable is broken when libinput is not defaul
10:23<somiaj>matt-pls: look at xinput
10:23<installer>somiaj: yeap u re right
10:23<installer>legacy
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10:24<installer>u can install encrypted bootloader with legacy?
10:24<cruncher>installer, yes, the basic idea is to have the boot partition unencrypted, and perhaps the root/home encrpyted.. if thats what you mean
10:24<cruncher>i dont really know about uefi partitions.. never used them
10:25<installer>so to sum it up: i Should install both mbr,debian and bootlader ont the same LUKS encrypted partition?
10:25<cruncher>no
10:25<cruncher>that wouldnt work
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10:26<somiaj>installer: you should be able to install grub on the mbr of the disk (not partition) and then use it to chainload windows or other oses.
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10:27<installer>okay i think i know what to do know. Thank all of you for your support
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10:41<BakAA>salut
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10:42<BakAA>Comment joindre le chat en français merci :)
10:43<duclicsic>!fr
10:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
10:43<BakAA>Merci dpkg
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10:54<matt-pls>So basically I cannot remove synaptics without removing task-desktop? that seems odd
10:55<matt-pls>like if I want to throw away a toy I have to throw away the whole toybox
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10:56<themill>that's not correct
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10:57<mnuhmnuh>matt-pls: tell me about it. old story. wanna get rid of cups, or gnome? they drag everything with them (or did). better to just ignore they're there and disable/not use them.
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11:08<retrospectacus>very common problem and very easy to solve if you're willing to wait for an answer
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12:23<mnuhmnuh>what's the correct way to create a device file these days? eg., /dev/xconsole
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13:23<hadramhacker>hi there
13:23<hadramhacker>can i hack the website
13:23<hadramhacker>learn me plz
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13:37<towo`>hadramhacker, play elsewhere
13:37<mnuhmnuh>hadramhacker: offhand, i'd guess no.
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14:10<mnuhmnuh>how do I create 'prw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2006-03-29 08:17 /dev/xconsole|'?
14:13<retrospectacus>mnuhmnuh: typically rsyslog creates this file
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14:14<retrospectacus>you can create it with "mknod -m 640 /dev/xconsole p" followed by chown root:adm
14:15<retrospectacus>this is probably an xy problem though
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14:16<mnuhmnuh>retrospectacus: yeah, xconsole's been a problem for years. see https://wiki.debian.org/NotSoFAQ
14:17<mnuhmnuh>retrospectacus: thxvm.
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14:49<NoTolerance>hi
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15:21<grawity>how do I ask dpkg what files would be removed after a `dpkg --purge foo`?
15:22<grawity>it tends to remove a lot of stuff not shown in `dpkg -L foo`
15:22<grawity>(e.g. all of my /etc/nginx, before I discovered etckeeper)
15:22<somiaj>grawity: dpkg -L packagename
15:22<grawity>as above
15:22<somiaj>though that may not list config files, those are part of debconf, and unsure the best way to list them.
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15:23<grawity>ah well I guess I can dig in /var/lib/dpkg
15:23<somiaj>grawity: does debconf-show packagename help
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15:24<somiaj>actually that may not work, that just lists the options, it dosen't list the files assoicated with them
15:25<somiaj>grawity: dpkg --status packagename, then look under 'Conffiles' for the list of all conf files (and their hassum)
15:25<grawity>hmm no
15:25<grawity>I mean, --purge also deletes whole directories
15:26<grawity>(both /etc/nginx and /var/log/nginx had quite a few files not tracked by dpkg at all)
15:26<somiaj>it shouldn't delete any directories which have config files that was not created by the package.
15:26<somiaj>(i've seen it error out, with 'did not remove directory foo, because foo was not empty'
15:26<grawity>ah well, it did. even though some of them were also owned by another existing package, too
15:27<somiaj>hmm, wish I had a simple package to test this with, let me find one
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15:30<somiaj>grawity: you said you had this issue with teh package nginx?
15:30<grawity>well
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15:30<grawity>example 1: removed nginx-mainline (from nginx repos), installed regular nginx (from same repo), tried to purge nginx-mainline because I thought regular nginx now owns /etc/nginx
15:30<somiaj>I have a chroot I'm testing this in
15:31<grawity>example 2: removed letsencrypt because it was replaced by certbot (and became a transitional package, I think?), and `dpkg -L letsencrypt` showed no files at all
15:32<somiaj>grawity: okay, on my system using debian pcakges /etc/nginx is filled with config files from the nginx-common package. I am adding a blank file to that directory and purging to see what happens
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15:34<somiaj>grawity: I was able to reproduce it, seems that dpkg doesn't check things as nicely for config files, but for non config files I get stuff like "dpkg: warning: while removing nginx-common, directory '/var/www/html' so not removed"
15:34<somiaj>so I am surprised that it doesn't do this for config directories
15:34<grawity>yeah, it kept my /var/www, but nuked both /etc/nginx and /var/log/nginx (not that I miss the logs much, but.)
15:35<grawity>are logs generally 'config' files in dpkg?
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15:35<somiaj>not in my mind
15:35<grawity>anyway, I suppose it's not entirely unexpected, given the purpose of --purge
15:35<somiaj>it could also be dpkg is letting the postremove script do this, and the script is just being destructive
15:35<grawity>but it should at least keep files already owned by another package, imho >_<
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15:37<somiaj>grawity: correct, this behaviour seems strange to me that dpkg would delete files not 'owned' by a package. confiles are a special case, but it should still adhear to this in my opinion
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15:39<somiaj>according to the man page: "Note: some configuration files might be unknown to dpkg because they are created and handled separately through the configuration scripts. In that case, dpkg won't remove them by itself, but the package's postrm script will
15:40<somiaj>grawity: seems to be an issue with the postrm script, maybe file a bug against nginx, but in the postrm script there is the command (under purge) "rm -rf /var/lib/nginx /var/log/nginx /etc/nginx"
15:40<somiaj>I'm unsure on policy here, but it isn't an issue with dpkg knowing what files to remove or not, it is the package script that is being very agressive about cleaning up stuff.
15:41<grawity>I guess it's the same with letsencrypt then?
15:41<somiaj>yea
15:42<somiaj>that would be my guess, dpkg won't remove files that are not owned by the package. Config files are somewhat a special case, and a packages postrm script can also have additonal things it will do durning a 'purge' which as we see could be more destructive than what dpkg would have done.
15:43<kion>Can someone explain why do I have on my activities bar two firefox icons, one says Iceweacel --> Firefox ESR and the other only Firefox ESR?
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15:43<R4F_Debian>Hi all
15:43<somiaj>kion: with the latest security update, iceweasel (firefox 38-esr) has been upgraded to the current firefox-esr version 45.
15:44<somiaj>kion: also during this upgrade, the iceweasel branding has been droped. It is probably just an artifact from the iceweasel transitional package during this change.
15:44<kion>somiaj, But now I have two firefox icons, what should I do?
15:45<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj, some time ago it was noticed that should happen. Now it's done. Do you know the reason Debian Project doesn't use iceweasel package and logo anymore ?
15:45<somiaj>kion: once you complete the upgrade you can remove the iceweasel transitional package, maybe that owns one of the icons. (I'm unsure as I don't use firefox and haven't experinced this)
15:45<grawity>because they no longer have a reason to use it
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15:45<R4F_Debian>just delete one icon, kion. You have only one firefox installed
15:46<R4F_Debian>the two icons refers to just one firefox package in Debian Jessie
15:46<kion>R4F_Debian, cool, thanks
15:46<somiaj>grawity: I am not seeing any specific policy attached to 'postrm purge' and what is considered 'follows policy' in terms of how agressive the removeal is
15:46<R4F_Debian>you are welcome !
15:46<somiaj>grawity: I guess the lesson is becareful when you purge because the package script may take out whole directories without checking them first.
15:47<somiaj>R4F_Debian: its a long history. Debian stable is frozen and doens't like to include new packages. So for years debian would backport security patches to a version of firefox no longer supported or matained by mozilla.
15:48<R4F_Debian>Oh, I see !
15:48<somiaj>R4F_Debian: mozilla did not like that debian was providing (although it was secure) an older version of firefox which may not contain many of the features and confused users. Thus mozilla used its trademark (firefox) and refused to let debian distribute its trade mark on an older version of firefox.
15:49<guildenstern>and then firefox started doing long term esr releases anyway
15:49<R4F_Debian>I see, so that's why firefox logo is back again...
15:49<somiaj>R4F_Debian: so years past, and browers got biger, and bigger and with this got more and more security holes. It got to take way to much time to backport the security pathces back to the version in jessie, so in wheezy debian changed its stance. Browsers will now be fixed with a current upstream release (to make the security fixes easier for the security team)
15:49<kion>R4F_Debian, Thanks indeed, you were right, I had two icons and only one installation of Firefox
15:50<somiaj>R4F_Debian: and thus the original reason mozilla took the trademarks away from debian is no longer the case, and a few years later they let us distirbute their trade mark again.
15:50<R4F_Debian>yes, kion, you have just one firefox installed on your Debian Jessie
15:50<guildenstern>is iceweasel still a thing
15:51<guildenstern>ah just a transitional package
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15:51<somiaj>guildenstern: outside of a transitional package and part of the debian history, dead.
15:51<R4F_Debian>I see, somiaj, now it's clear the reason of these changes, and in fact, they tend to confuse some users
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15:51<somiaj>guildenstern: though some people have taken up the process of using the iceweasel brand and debranding their own version of firefox, this is no longer done by debian.
15:52<kion>Will same thing happen with IceDove and Thunderbird?
15:52<somiaj>R4F_Debian: yea the iceweasel vs firefox was a constant confusion, so I'm glad it is no longer there.
15:52<R4F_Debian>agree somiaj ! :)
15:52<somiaj>kion: I think so, but it won't happen in jessie. Unlike browsers, icedove will not be upgraded to the newer version during jessies lifetime, but in the next release it may no longer be there.
15:54<jmcnaught>one thing i don't quite understand is why there are two packages now, firefox-esr, and firefox (in mozilla.d.n and unstable).
15:55<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught ! :)
15:55<somiaj>jmcnaught: and the m.d.n packages are causing conflicts with jessie too. Wasn't as clean as it could have been.
15:55<jmcnaught>right now it's possible to have firefox from mdn and firefox from jessie/main installed at the same time
15:55<R4F_Debian>so, in Debian, let's say, in 9.0 release, icedove trademark will be replaced by thunderbird again ?
15:56<lakj>evince ftw
15:56<somiaj>jmcnaught: I thought maybe sid was going to have both firefox and firefox-esr for the variety, but that seems strange because I doubt firefox will become part of the next stable. It could also had been an attempt at removing m.d.n alltogether, but we'll see, I think there is still a lot to straighten out before stretch.
15:56<R4F_Debian>sorry, somiaj, please, what is "m.d.n" ?
15:56<somiaj>R4F_Debian: mozilla.debian.net
15:56<R4F_Debian>Fine, thanks
15:56<lakj>evolution ftw
15:57<lakj>empathy ftw
15:57<lakj>
15:58<R4F_Debian>so, there is the risk 'firefox' will not becoming part of the next Deiban stable release ?
15:58<lakj>y
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15:58<somiaj>R4F_Debian: I belive so, but I'm unsure if the branding issue was just the browser or not (I also think thunderbird is dieing, or at least not activally matained by mozilla but a group of volunteers)
15:58<frazr>Hi! I'm getting more and more annoyed by selecting text in terminal, and then selecting in browser, copy and paste, and then i've removed the previously selection from the terminal , is there any way to disable the auto-selection of text in everything except terminal ?
15:58<lakj>but we are hardcore so we will browse through lynx
15:59<somiaj>R4F_Debian: it is kinda 'outdated' in terms of email clients, hasn't changed much in the last few years from my persepctive.
15:59<somiaj>frazr: I dont' think so, but there are some tools to help manage your clipboards (you have two, the select one and the ctrl-c one)
15:59<R4F_Debian>yes, agree, if compared to, let's say, 5 years ago, it is basically the same tool with the same basic resources
15:59<somiaj>frazr: maybe one of these tools will help with what you need
16:00<frazr>:/ like clipman?
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16:00<frazr>kinda sucks that i need a tool to solve that problem
16:01<somiaj>frazr: I guess it is just somethign I got use to, but really if you want a smoother clipboard experience you probabaly need some tool to help with this. klipper, xclip, xsel, etc might help.
16:01<lakj>you don't really need a tool, it's only because no one knows how to do it
16:02<frazr>how can u get use to that ? :)
16:02<frazr>when highlighting copies, and you paste with the mouse, recipe for disaster :)
16:03<somiaj>frazr: I do most my copy/paste by select then middle ouse button. I just by habbit always select right before I copy (don't give time for something else to mess with it)
16:03<retrospectacus>I thought that was everyone's favourite feature of Linux
16:03<frazr>i'm used to it aswell
16:03<retrospectacus>drives me nuts on windows when it doesn't do that
16:03<somiaj>it works fine for me, ocasionally I dont' paste the corret thing so I can see problems with it, but I've just used it for so long I am acustom to it.
16:04<frazr>but .. if i forget to clear something like a something between a query parameter in the address-bar
16:04<frazr>and then i need to remove it
16:04<frazr>= reselecting it
16:04<TobiX>somiaj: Please stop spreading FUD. "mozilla did not like", "refused". Nobody forced Debian to rebrand firefox. The Debian maintainers felt they could not comply with Mozilla's strict trademark police (and the logos were non-free then), so they rebranded.
16:04<frazr>need to re-copy
16:04<frazr>annoying as fuck when you've done it a couple of hundred times
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16:04<jmcnaught>frazr: ctrl+z for undo probably works in the location bar of your browser
16:05<frazr>jmcnaught: yeah that wont help in this case :)
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16:06<jmcnaught>frazr: some of those clipboard util have a feature to keep the clipboard and selection buffer in sync. personally i don't like clipboard utils because they like to keep a history, and i use a password manager
16:06<frazr>the best would be a switch to disable highlight-copy on everything except terminal
16:06<frazr>wonder how hard that would be to code :)
16:06<jmcnaught>frazr: you could try and make a habit of always using the clipboard. ctrl+shift+c works for copy in lots of terminals
16:07<frazr>i dont like to use a tool for that, i want to keep it as leightweight as possible, that's why i run dwm, hate the thought of adding a util such as that
16:07<frazr>ctrl+shift+c send it to the ctrl+c clipboard?
16:08<jmcnaught>frazr: in gnome-terminal and terminator it does, YMMV in others
16:08<frazr>hm
16:08<TobiX>jmcnaught: rxvt-unicode always uses PRIMARY, never CLIPBOARD.
16:08<frazr>doesn't seem to apply to xterm
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16:09<TobiX>I think most "classic" terminals use PRIMARY, while most desktop-environment terminals use CLIPBOARD.
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16:10<TobiX>frazr: Maybe use xclip to copy between the selections manually?
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16:12<TobiX>frazr: Or xcutsel :)
16:12<frazr>do not to want to install some shit to solve this :D
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16:14<TobiX>frazr: clipboard stuff is a clusterfuck in X11
16:14<frazr>yes, seems like it
16:14<TobiX>Let's hope it's fixed in Wayland :)
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16:15<frazr>would be great
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16:16<TobiX>Looks basically sane: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch04.html#sect-Protocol-data-sharing - At least there is only one "buffer"
16:16<frazr>how is wayland at this stage?
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16:26<TobiX>frazr: Good question, I think there was a plasma-wayland-demo live DVD somewhere not too long ago...
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16:27<somiaj>,v wayland
16:28<TobiX>somiaj: There is no "wayland"
16:28<somiaj>hmm I thought it was in debian if you wanted to test it, but I'm only seeing xwayland (Besides lots of libs) in jessie
16:28<TobiX>,v weston
16:28<TobiX>Hmm...
16:28<TobiX>Still not he right name
16:28<somiaj>yea I see weston, its only the wayland compositor though and xwayland and then lots of libs
16:29<somiaj>weston is 1.6 in jessie and 1.11 in testing
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16:30<TobiX>Since wayland is "just" the protocol, installing weston is the closest you get... (Or use kwin-wayland, which is the other almost-complete wayland-compositor)
16:31<samkod>I'm working on a bash script that tails the last line of a single log file and if a certain string is met it sends out an email. this works fine but I want it to monitor multiple log files in a directory and search for the string and also include the ability to monitor new files in that directory (and again search for the string) that are yet to be created
16:31<samkod>any thoughts?
16:32<TobiX>somiaj: https://community.kde.org/KWin/Wayland#Running_on_a_tty
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16:32<somiaj>TobiX: thanks. I'm unfamilar with how waylend is supose to work, I just know I've been hearing about it for years now.
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16:33<TobiX>somiaj: Maybe you get a GNOME session up with "gnome-session --session gnome-wayland"
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16:51<flappy>somiaj: i think you meant to ping someone else with that last me ping
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18:29<zalgo>Hi guys
18:29<retrospectacus>hi
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18:30<zalgo>They say anonymous opened a server in tor for imparitr hacking classes .
18:31<zalgo>to impart*
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18:32<retrospectacus>We cannot help you with that. This is Debian support. Do you have a debian support question?
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18:33<R4F_Debian>Hi retrospectacus ! Glad to see you again !
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18:50<pazkatz>hello
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19:12<kion>checking my dconf, I found gweather and all sorts of config parameters for weather, where is this weather ap
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19:12<kion>where is this weather program in the gnome3 desktop?
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19:29<elmascapo>hi
19:30<elmascapo>help me, i have debian 8 guest in virtualbox
19:30<elmascapo>i have target nat and host-only
19:31<elmascapo>nat by dhcp and host-only static
19:31<elmascapo>as I add nameservers in only host?
19:32<elmascapo>I overwrites the nat to restart
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19:44<retrospectacus>!override dns
19:44<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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19:48<elmascapo>thanks, i want to dns in /etc/network/interface
19:52<retrospectacus>You can do both.
19:53<elmascapo>how?
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19:54<retrospectacus>put nameservers in interfaces, and do what dpkg said above. If you are having a problem with this, be more specific
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19:55<elmascapo>/etc/network/interface eth1 static dns-nameserver but overwrite eth0 nat dhcp
19:55<elmascapo>sorry for my bad english
19:55<elmascapo>im from uruguay
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19:56<retrospectacus>put your nameserver also in dhclient.conf, as described above
19:56<retrospectacus>now dhcp will also use this nameserver
19:59<elmascapo>request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
19:59<elmascapo> domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
19:59<elmascapo> dhcp6.name-servers, dhcp6.domain-search,
19:59<elmascapo> netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
19:59<elmascapo> rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
19:59-!-elmascapo was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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20:01<retrospectacus>Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.
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20:02<elmascapo>http://paste.debian.net/739289/
20:02<elmascapo>sorry haha
20:06<retrospectacus>you removed domain-name-servers from the file? What happens now? resolv.conf contains nothing?
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20:09<retrospectacus>elmascapo: just use prepend or append. I don't know if removing an item from "request" will actually affect the response or the handling of the response. Maybe your DHCP server (vbox) sends dns servers regardless
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20:12<elmascapo>i think install guest additions
20:12<elmascapo>in my virtual machine
20:13<retrospectacus>ok but I don't think that is relevant
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