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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-06-15

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01:50<tkinash>Доброе утро!
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01:57<jm_>!ru
01:57<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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02:39<mashiro>why does some of debian images are faulty and incomplete?
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02:41<jm_>like?
02:41<mashiro>they lack in initrd and vmlinuz
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02:42<jm_>you also need to explain which images
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02:42<mashiro>like those debian iso images
02:42<themill>"those"...
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02:42<jm_>specifically which image? please provide full URL or at least filename
02:42<mashiro>I end up manually creating bootable flash drives which is a drag
02:42<themill>real URLs would be a better way of describing which resource you talk about
02:43<mashiro>debian installation images
02:43<themill>...
02:43<mashiro>sometimes they are incomplete
02:43<jm_>there are over 100 debian installation images
02:44<themill>mashiro: details or it didn't happen.
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02:44<mashiro>amd64 debian iso images
02:44<themill>URL.
02:45<themill>You are going to get precisely zero help until you're specific.
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02:45<mashiro>some of the directories in those images are empty
02:45<mashiro>cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
02:46<mashiro>this installation image to be specific
02:46<themill>that image works just fine
02:47<mashiro>oops sorry
02:47<mashiro>not that
02:47<mashiro>wait
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02:48<jm_>indeed, it has vmlinuz and initrd files
02:49<mashiro>cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso
02:49<mashiro>Is it me or this image lack vmlinuz and initrd
02:50<xormor>mashiro, you need DVD-1 for them.
02:50<mashiro>are they complete?
02:50<jm_>readme there says: Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. If there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously). They will not be bootable and are entirely optional. If you
02:50<mashiro>hmm I see
02:50<themill>mashiro: DVD3 is not supposed to be bootable.
02:50<jm_>not sure how much of that made it through, but the point is it's not bootable
02:51<mashiro>so what are the dvd images supported for boot available
02:51<jm_>see above - download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the ...
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02:54<mashiro>tnx guys it's clear now somehow confuses me for just simple stuff ^^
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03:25<twb>I'm untarring a derpy tarball https://noai.openttd.org/downloads/AIs/NoCAB-2.1.4.tar.gz which has www-data:www-data 755, but I want the unpacked files to be root:root 644 (except for dirs).
03:25<twb>In theory tar --same-owner --no-same-permissions ought to help, but it isn't DWIMming.
03:26<twb>What am I missing? (I'm running this as root, BTW.)
03:26<twb>Oh it's --no-same-owner
03:27<twb>That at least fixed the ownership
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03:27<twb>But --no-same-permissions can't remove execute from the files without also removing it from the dirs. Blech.
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03:55<twb>I gave up and ran a separate find command
03:55<twb>http://sprunge.us/YWHB (weep for me, installing crappy third-party bundles that aren't debified.)
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03:58<dtw>jm_, duclicsic, Update: I asked on 2016-06-08 about newer kernel for Jessie installer because my then planned new motherboard needed one. Now I have the new hardware and (almost) managed to use plain Jessie installer; I updated the kernel later.
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03:58<jm_>dtw: yeah makes sense
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04:01<dtw>Jessie installer couldn't install Grub to /dev/nvmeXXX device though. So I rebooted the installer in rescue mode, went to command line, chrooted to the new install, installed Grub and did grub-install from there.
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04:05<jm_>yeah I helped someone with that before, manually it worked - it's our way to punish people who have superior hardware :P
04:08<twb>FSVO "our way" = grub-install's automagic is weaksauce
04:09<twb>the grub docs even explicitly say that multi-disk computers need to be configured manually
04:10<jm_>to be honest, I never knew install device is optional until you mentioned it now and I checked the man page - I'm still used to grub from before it was in debian
04:11<twb>I dropped grub in favour of extlinux (and lately refind) which both can have a simple, reliable, static config.
04:11<twb>So when e.g. grub derpily blows away the MBR of the wrong disk, I can just cat mbr.bin >/dev/sdz
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05:16<seba>Hey there, I'm looking for help about installing debian using serial console, anybody ? :)
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05:17<twb>I do it all the time
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05:17<twb>real serial, or VM?
05:17<twb>or: what is the problem?
05:17<seba>Great thenn you might help me
05:17<seba>Real serial
05:17<seba>It's to use on an APU2 board
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05:18<seba>http://pcengines.ch/apu2b4.htm
05:18<seba>Like that
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05:19<seba>So, problem is, I don't manage to boot :( I had to change isolinux.cfg, txt.cfg and adtxt.cfg to enable the serial console, and then recompile the iso
05:19<twb>Do you have access to USB?
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05:19<twb>bootable ISO is more painful because there's about 5 options
05:19<seba>I then use the USB drive where I DDed the new iso, the Debian installe rstarts but blocks at some point telling me that it didn't manage to load the components from CDROM
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05:19<twb>that sounds like a different issue
05:19<seba>I have access to USB and the final goal would be to have Debian installed on the SD card
05:20<twb>that sounds like the debian kernel doesn't have a driver for your USB chipset
05:20<seba>Hm that sucks, doesn't it ?
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05:20<twb>Do you have fast network?
05:21<seba>quite
05:21<twb>I suggest doing an install with just kernel+ramdisk, then, and pull the rest from the internet
05:21<twb>Although that will still be very slow to SD card, so the other option is to use debmirror instead --- build the filesystem on a big computer, then copy it all at once onto the SD card
05:21<seba>You'll have to deeper in details here, I'm pretty new to all the Debian world
05:22<seba>Could I do the same procedure I did with the USB drive on the SD card ? And install on the same disk it's booting from ?
05:22<twb>OK first of all this is the manual for installs http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
05:23<twb>seba: yes you can install over the top of the install media *iff* you do a netboot install
05:23<twb>One sec
05:23<twb>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
05:24<twb>debian-installer (d-i) is a kernel + ramdisk + udebs. The big ISOs have the udebs stored on the ISO. The little one above, it pulls everything from the internet.
05:25<seba>Ok, got that
05:26<seba>So now I should try to DD this mini.iso to the SD card ? Or do I have to modify the .cfg files to enable the console first ?
05:26<twb>Yeah you probably need "CONSOLE 0" in syslinux.cfg
05:27<twb>Sorry, "SERIAL 0"
05:27<twb>You seem to have already worked out that process yourself
05:27<seba>Actually I fllowed that tutorial here http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&fid=1A77794F-FF7D-44CA-AF64-CAA2588102ED&lastp=1&id=51C5DE97-2D0E-40E9-BFF7-7F7FE30E18FE
05:27<twb>You also need to make sure syslinux (isolinux) passes "--- console=ttyS0" to the kernel
05:27<seba>But it didn't say to modify syslinux.cfg, so I might have missed something here
05:28<twb>isolinux.cfg is an old name for syslinux.cfg
05:28<seba>Oh ok
05:28<seba>What about txt.cfg and adtxt.cfg? Is it useful here ?
05:29<twb>If you follow the same process with the smaller ISO it should work the same
05:29<seba>Ok
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05:29<twb>The other way to do it would be to make a FAT or ext2/3/4 usb key, then use extlinux instead of isolinux+xorisso
05:29<seba>I'll do that, should take some minutes and I'll get back to you. Thank you very much !
05:30<twb>The completely other approach is just to use the debootstrap package and skip the installer entirely
05:30<twb>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en <-- this method
05:31<twb>When installing onto USB key or especially SD card, that will be *much much faster*, but involves more manual work and is easier to mess up
05:31<seba>That looks nice too, I didn't know about that
05:31<twb>This is because if you prepare the rootfs on a big computer first, you can copy it all in one go with rsync, so you skip all the additional syncs that dpkg would do when installing directly to the SD card
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05:33<twb>I actually debootstrap into a tmpfs from a local apt mirror, so it takes about 5 minutes to install a full GUI, and another 10 minutes to compress it and copy it to a device :-)
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05:36<twb>The good thing is because it's just an SD card, if you mess up you can move the card back to your big computer, fix the config there, and put it back in the device
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05:45<seba>Mhh what command do you use to recompile the ISO ?
05:45<seba>Should that work xorrisofs -r -o ./debianserial.iso ./new/ ?
05:46<twb>I haven't done it in a long time
05:46<twb>You need to pass the options to make it a bootable hybrid ISO
05:46<twb>your link had the options
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05:55<seba>I had to modify the directories in the xorriso cmd since the isolinux file is in the root of the iso folder
05:55<seba>But then I get this error : No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!
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06:04<twb>Where's the isolinux.cfg?
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06:07<seba>at the root of the iso
06:07<twb>That has "default vesamenu.c32", but I guess that doesn't work over serial
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06:08<twb>I always use menu.c32 which DOES work, but isn't on that ISO
06:08<seba>I need to copy it from my computer right ?
06:08<twb>so either you can go find a compatible menu.c32 from the syslinux-common package, or you can throw it at the wall and use debootstrap instead
06:08<seba>Ha I think I'll end up like that
06:09<seba>I'll try first with the compatible one
06:09<twb>The other way would be to use extlinux instead of isolinux, and prep the install media yourself
06:09<seba>I wrote down all the solutions you gave me and will try them for sure
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06:19<twb>seba: http://sprunge.us/ENDB should give you an easily-editable USB key --- untested, based on my old notes
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06:28<twb>seba: http://sprunge.us/BSHM alternate method, completely untested
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06:31<Gerritjan>can somebody maybe tell me why i cant see the values in a vector<string> in qt-creator?
06:31<twb>Gerritjan: no idea; have you asked the Qt dev channel?
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06:53<wakalaka>hello...
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06:53<wakalaka>i installed debian, headless. i want to have a desktop env on demand, so i installed lxde-core. how do i start lxde from command prompt
06:54<twb>wakalaka: either start a display manager (GUI login) like slim, or start X directly using startx/xinit
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06:57<wakalaka>how do i use startx/xinit? is it a dir path? my prompt says no such dir/file
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07:00<ring>wakalaka: install the "xinit" package"
07:02<wakalaka>ring: i am installing it. after install completes do i run $ startx/init
07:02<Megaf_>wakalaka: create a ~/.xinitrc
07:02<jm_>it's two commands
07:03<Infiltrator>fdisk -l /dev/sda says "cannot open /dev/sda: No such file or directory". What gives?
07:03<Megaf_>I think is exec lxsession or something like that that you should put in .xinirc
07:03<Megaf_>xinitrc*
07:03<Megaf_>or lxde-session
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07:05<wakalaka>i create a folder ~/.xinitrc and in the folder put a file named "start" and add the command "exec lxsessions"?
07:06<Megaf_>no, ~/.xinitrc is the file
07:06<Megaf_>~ = your home
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07:07<Megaf_>wakalaka: echo "exec startlxde" > ~/.xinitrc
07:07<Megaf_>this command will do
07:07<jm_>it's lxsession
07:07<Megaf_>or
07:07<Megaf_>wakalaka: echo "exec lxsession" > ~/.xinitrc
07:08<Megaf_>I'm not sure if lxsession is included in lxde-core jm_
07:08<Megaf_>wakalaka: after that, you can startx
07:09<Megaf_>brb
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07:09<jm_>Megaf_: you were right (whether knowingly or not, not sure), startlxde looks better, as it starts lxsession
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07:10<Egon>hello. Sorry to bother you but I am having bit of a problem with booting debian. Spesifically screen is all messed up the moment I get out of grub. Debian itself boots up fine but screen is illegible during boot and after. Also bottom half of the screen keeps showing part of the grub menu (or splash) shifted to the left
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07:11<Infiltrator>Egon: Is it that everything is just jumbled up but still actual characters, or is it completely scrambled?
07:12<Egon>compleately scrambled
07:12<wakalaka>Megaf_: THANKS!! lxsession it was. thanks very much! :-D
07:12<Egon>like the text boot is all tots filling the screen. I have a picture of what login screen looks like
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07:13<Infiltrator>Egon: What's your grub payload set to? /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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07:13<Megaf_>wakalaka: you're welcome
07:13<Egon>Closest I have gotten on google is that it is either graphics driver or UEFI. Oh and it is fresh install. Like first time installing linux in years
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07:16<fraksken>o/
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07:16<jm_>maybe try using grub in text mode then
07:17<Infiltrator>Egon: ^
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07:18<Egon>well here is what log in screen looks like https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfdtpfnfr0mb8p6/DSC_0230.JPG?dl=0
07:18<Megaf_>Egon: Sorry, can you repeat what is your issue please?
07:18<Egon>Megaf_: [14:10:42] <Egon> hello. Sorry to bother you but I am having bit of a problem with booting debian. Spesifically screen is all messed up the moment I get out of grub. Debian itself boots up fine but screen is illegible during boot and after. Also bottom half of the screen keeps showing part of the grub menu (or splash) shifted to the left
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07:19<Egon>well that picture is actually only part of the login screen tho :D
07:19<Megaf_>Egon: is it a laptop? EFI or BIOS?
07:20<Egon>EFI, Laptop, AMD apu
07:20<Megaf_>you can change the GRUB to console mode only, as said before, or try different settings for its graphics mode
07:20<Megaf_>Im on an EFI AMD Apu laptop too and it works fine
07:20<Megaf_>well,
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07:20<fraksken>Egon: do you have a secondary display connected?
07:21<fraksken>I had the same problem.
07:21<Egon>fraksken: no, I don't
07:21<fraksken>then not the same problem :(
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07:21<Megaf_>Egon: so, in /etc/default/grub change #GRUB_GFXMODE= to GRUB_GFXMODE=yourxresolution
07:21<Megaf_>in my case GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768
07:21<jm_>GRUB_TERMINAL=console to disable gfx mode entirely
07:22<Egon>Megaf_: Well like I said it is fresh install. I havent even been able to log in :(
07:22<Infiltrator>Egon: Yeah, as jm_ said, try the console mode first to see whether that is it.
07:22<Megaf_>Egon: you said debian boots fine
07:22<Megaf_>Infiltrator: console mode doesnt work in EFI mode
07:23<Egon>Megaf_: Hmm, that command goes in when I press c in grub boot list?
07:23<Megaf_># Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
07:23<Megaf_>#GRUB_TERMINAL=console
07:23<Infiltrator>Megaf_: Urg; really?
07:23<Infiltrator>Egon: Or in /etc/default/grub
07:23<Megaf_>Infiltrator: that's what the conf file says, it works only for grub-pc
07:23<Megaf_>whatever that is
07:23<Infiltrator>And run grub-update.
07:23<Megaf_>Egon: yep, if you can see anything when you press c to edit the line...
07:24<fraksken>I have a small question: I just installed Debian 8.5, thinking I would have the newest version of everything. It turns out it ships with gnome 3.14. After looking around, I noticed Debian 7 ships with Gnome 3.4 (my target). Can anybody explain to me why a higher version of Debian uses a lower version of Gnome? Can I upgrade this gnome version to 3.4 or do I need to start over and reinstall Debian 7 to get gnome 3.4?
07:24<jm_>ahh so that doesn't work for uefi? crap, means I will lose that on new system
07:25<jm_>fraksken: 3.13 is newer than 3.4 (it's not 3.40)
07:25<jm_>3.14 too
07:25<Infiltrator>fraksken: 14 > 4.
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07:26<Egon>oh I can see everithing fine in grub (tho grub holds to the left of the screen. I think resolution is cause for that). Thats why I can start boot prosses. But moments after init ramdisk screen gets scrambled and tries to show command line boot but characters are all teared across top half of the screen
07:26<fraksken>jm_: ah, ok ... I feel kinda embarrassed now
07:26<fraksken>thanks though :)
07:26<Egon>Megaf: I'll try your sugsestion and get back with results
07:26<Infiltrator>fraksken: The "." in the version number is not a decimal point.
07:27<Megaf_>Infiltrator: that is VERY confusing, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome (1:3.4+7+deb7u1) - https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gnome (1:3.14+3)
07:27<jm_>yeah so if GRUB_TERMINAL=console won't work, try a different resolution, probably go with native
07:27<Megaf_>IMHO 3.4 > 3.14
07:27<Infiltrator>Megaf_: What's confusing about that?
07:27<Infiltrator>Megaf_: 4 > 14!?
07:28<Megaf_>oh
07:28<Megaf_>nevermind
07:28<jm_>Megaf_: you can use dpkg to compare version numbers, see --compare-versions
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07:28<Megaf_>I got it
07:28<dtw>dpkg --compare-versions 3.13 ">" 3.4 && echo true
07:28<dpkg>dtw: are you smoking crack?
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07:28<Infiltrator>fraksken: Also, if you want later versions of packages, look at backports; if you want even later versions, look at unstable, testing, and experimental (but you carry a greater risk there).
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07:29<jm_>but you typically won't find gnome there ;)
07:29<Megaf_>experimental is completely broken for some months now
07:29<Megaf_>it breaks X11 pretty badly
07:29<fraksken>Infiltrator: thanks I got the extensions working :) Iµm happy
07:29<Megaf_>lots of missing packages
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07:29<Megaf_>if you upgrade from sid to experimental
07:29<Infiltrator>Megaf_: It might not be the best convention, but in version numbers, "." is used more as a "," or "/" or "-" and not an actual decimal point.
07:30<Infiltrator>Yeah, I really wouldn't recommend going off stable unless you have the time to fix things.
07:31<Megaf_>the stable backports is safe enough
07:31<Megaf_>in my case Im not even using stable-releases, just stable
07:31<Infiltrator>Yeah, backports and updates are safe.
07:31<Infiltrator>But everything else, caveat emptor.
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07:32<Infiltrator>Well, I mean caveat emptor with everything always of course, but more so.
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07:41<fraksken>what is the difference between the window, gtk+ and shell themes?
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07:53<wakalaka>hello again. what package does the bash command "shutdown" belong to?
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07:54<jm_>!search
07:54<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
07:54<jm_>the apt-file stuff will help you
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07:59<wakalaka>i did 'apt-cache search shutdown' but the list is long and in headless bash, i cant scroll... web search said try 'upstart' package, installed it, but still no 'shutdown' command. how do i use apt-file?
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08:00<jm_>as I said, you want to use apt-file, not apt-cache
08:02<jm_>!tell wakalaka -about apt-file
08:02<jm_>btw shutdown is not in your path normally
08:02<jm_>it's in root's though
08:02<wakalaka>jm_: i tried 'apt-file shutdown' but i dont have 'apt-file'; 'apt-file: command not found'
08:03<duclicsic>apt-get install apt-file ?
08:03<jm_>wakalaka: ^^^^^
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08:06<Egon>I had no luck
08:07<wakalaka>installed 'apt-file'. am in headless bash. dont have scroll. the help starting is cut-off...
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08:07<Infiltrator>wakalaka: | less
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08:07<Infiltrator>wakalaka: `apt-file --help | less`.
08:09<Egon>Would video showing my problem help?
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08:12<pk64>Say I have mesa-dirverted from mesa 10.6.3, i'm struggling to know exactly what cards are supported for the mesa graphics library. Say for Nvidia / ATI, you can check release notes for supported cards.
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08:17<wakalaka>i did 'cd /sbin' and as root './shutdown now' it just takes me back to log in. how do i shutdown?
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08:22<Egon>So this shows what causes me trouble. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mk9kl8pfsrtjs54/MOV_0233.mp4?dl=0
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10:16<Egon>can I specify input file for grub mkconfig ?
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10:30<cmarzullo>does preseed support more complex networking? multiple interfaces and such.
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11:52<zuwuko_>Is google.com DOWN?
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11:53<derka>no
11:54<zuwuko_>Weird I'm getting error 502
11:54<zuwuko_>Now its working..bizzare. thanks.
11:55<teward>zuwuko_: proxy between you and the Internet?
11:55<zuwuko_>Negative.
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11:56<teward>'cause sometimes I've seen that throw 502s when causing interference
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11:58<TCH>hi
11:59<TCH>can anyone help me with the radeon driver?
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12:05<grove>TCH: It's quite likely that someone can (I can't), but as always: Just ask
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12:09<TCH>i have a G4 MDD with X800XT
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12:09<TCH>i've installed jessie and firmware-linux-nonfree
12:09<TCH>then after boot i got a black screen and the machine freezes up
12:10<TCH>my dmesg log:
12:10<TCH>http://oscomp.hu/depot/dmesg.log
12:10<TCH>and my xorg log:
12:10<TCH>http://oscomp.hu/depot/Xorg.0.log
12:10<TCH>if i give the parameter radeon.modeset=0 at boot prompt, then i get a screen, but with 640x480 and screwed up colurs
12:11<TCH>is anyone encountered this problem on powerpc with x800?
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12:20<nicolas5512>br?
12:20<nicolas5512>chat br?
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12:21<musca>!br
12:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:22<musca>nicolas5512: the channel may be located on freenode.net
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15:11<Grenville>hey all. I was rather gung-ho and added deb-multimedia t my sources.list. then (following instructions blindly like the fool I am), I upgraded my system and now I have all sorts of changes I didn't want. I know I'm a muppet, but how I change things back ?
15:12<retrospectacus>!dmm remove
15:12<dpkg>If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
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15:13<Grenville>dpkg. thanks so much
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15:13<retrospectacus>!bot
15:13<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
15:14<retrospectacus>:D
15:14<Grenville>wow
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15:28<Grenville>soooo.... unforunately that did't work because it tries to remove a package called libaacplus2 which it claims to be an ambiguous name the package being installed more than once
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15:30<retrospectacus>please show us using http://paste.debian.net (your command(s) and all output)
15:30<Grenville>will do, hold on. thanks
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15:33<Grenville>https://paste.debian.net/739538/ is the link
15:35<retrospectacus>what is the output of: dpkg -l |grep libaacplus2
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15:37<Grenville>here tis: https://paste.debian.net/739540/
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15:38<Grenville>Thank you. btw
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15:40<retrospectacus>well, remove those two packages I guess; sudo apt-get purge libaacplus2:amd64 libaacplus2:i386
15:40<Grenville>retrospectacus, will do. thank you
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15:42<retrospectacus>might as well show us this too; aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))'
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15:47<Grenville>and here it is: https://paste.debian.net/739543/
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15:50<Grenville>so looking at that list why has upgrading changed iceweasel to firefox?
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15:50<retrospectacus>yeah you have a bunch of duplicates you'r going to have to take care of.
15:50<retrospectacus>Probably just remove vlc and see what happens
15:51<retrospectacus>all those ones with "A" will be suggested to autoremove
15:52<Grenville>ok, so the general plan is: remove vlc; try again; repeat the process for uplicates and eventually I can do dpkg's step two?
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15:54<retrospectacus>remove vlc, "apt-get --purge autoremove" and that should just about do it.
15:54<retrospectacus>the goal is for that aptitude search command to not produce anything
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15:55<Grenville>ok. got you
15:56<Grenville>it is removing a lot of packages
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15:56<retrospectacus>keep track of them; if any of them look like something you want, you'll install it again later from the official repos
15:57<Grenville>ahh. will keep a log. Thank you
15:58<retrospectacus>why are you using multi-arch?
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16:04<Grenville>why am I using multiarch? There was a reason, I think
16:04<Grenville>but probaby a bad one
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16:07<hadramhacker>hello ther
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16:08<retrospectacus>hadramhacker: hello again. Do you have a Debian support question today?
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16:11<hadramhacker>yes
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16:11<hadramhacker>what the tool a hack website
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16:12<grawity>vim
16:12<retrospectacus>bonzo buddy
16:12<retrospectacus>hadramhacker: go play somewhere else
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16:13<hadramhacker>sorry
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16:15<hadramhacker>ok goodbye
16:15<musca>somebody should teach the Kali guys to preconfigure their irc client to join #kali-linux on freenode.net
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16:31<Grenville>so, firstly, masive thank you. I now seem to have my media stuff back where I was, but my iceweasel is still firefox wich isn't tragic but I like using iceweasel. Can I just apt-get remove firefox and apt-get install iceweasel?
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16:33<jmcnaught>Grenville: no it will be firefox from now on. I think this is a firefox add-on that restores the iceweasel branding if you're really that attached
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16:35<Grenville>jmcnaught, thank you. I'll live. I just enjoyed the confusion on peoples faces when they saw iceweasel
16:35<Grenville>bye
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17:26<ewantriker>Hi guys. I just installed Debian 8 stable xfce
17:27<ewantriker>New to Debian, I've been on Xubuntu or Linux Mint for a couple of years
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17:30<retrospectacus>Nice. Let us know if you have any questions or problems
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17:34<ewantriker>thank retrospectacus
17:35<ewantriker>thanks, rather
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17:42<Guest4506>hello
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17:49<TCH>anyone still here?
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17:50<TCH>i would need some help with the radeon driver
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17:55<TCH>anybody?
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17:57<sgrc>TCH: ask your questions, eventually someone with an answer will pop up
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17:59<TCH>i have an old g4 powermac with x800xt
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17:59<TCH>and if i install the radeon driver and the nonfree firmwares
17:59<TCH>then i got a black screen only and freeze
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18:08<sgrc>TCH: I reckon whoever's gonna help you is going to need some more info, maybe an Xorg log
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21:32<Telephoney>hi, I need some help setting up a serial modem in debian
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21:34<Telephoney>wvdial also says modem not responding
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21:35<alrs>Telephoney: I don't have any of this stuff on hand anymore, but I always liked using "minicom". You'll also want to be sure that you are a member of the "dialout" group.
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21:36<alrs>I probably liked minicom because it felt just like Telix ca. 1989.
21:36<Telephoney>Yeah, I have minicom. However, it wont respond to AT commands, but let me check if im in the dialout group
21:36<Telephoney>yep, i am
21:36<Telephoney>as well as tty
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21:38<alrs>Telephoney: you might check that your serial port is enabled in BIOS, and also take a look in /var/log/dmesg to see if the kernel had anything to say about your serial port. sudo grep ttyS /var/log/dmesg
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21:40<Telephoney>ok, i will try that
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21:41<Telephoney>when I enter that it doesnt come back with anything
21:41<Telephoney>Sorry, Im a bit of a newb at linux
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21:42<Telephoney>And I also tried entering it with ttyS0
21:43<Telephoney>Which is the port my modem is on
21:43<alrs>Telephoney: maybe I'm the noob, I don't see anything in my /var/log/dmesg either. If the machine hasn't been up for too long you might see it with: sudo dmesg | grep ttyS
21:43<alrs>The dmesg command returns the latest messages from the kernel
21:43<Telephoney>Yeah, it says [ 1.179488] 00:03: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
21:44<alrs>ah great, the kernel sees the serial port.
21:44<Telephoney>yeah, but when i try "talking" to my modem, one light (Terminal ready) occasionally flashes
21:45<Telephoney>No other lights
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21:45<Telephoney>I've tried both null modem and straight thru serial cables
21:45<alrs>you definately don't want null modem.
21:45<Telephoney>Yeah, I've got the straight thru one in now
21:46<alrs>you might need to wander into setting dip-switches on the modem
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21:46<Telephoney>Its really old (1200 baud), and i see no dip switches on the back. Perhaps they are inside the case of the modem?
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21:47<Telephoney>I just got a US robotics 56k sportster, but Im waiting on an AC adaptor
21:51<Telephoney>I took it apart and there are no dip switches
21:53<alrs>Telephoney: I'm down to making sure you have the port set to 1200baud in your comm program
21:53<Telephoney>ok, well hey i gtg, thank you for helping
21:53<Telephoney>Ill be back another time
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23:54<k-man>i have a radeon video card, and I see these errors at boot time: http://sprunge.us/BjSM
23:54<k-man>missing firmware maybe?
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23:57<k-man>there seems to be a PITCAIRN_pfp.bin not a pitcairn_pfp.bin though
23:58<jmcnaught>k-man: are you using jessie?
23:58<k-man>jmcnaught, yeah
23:58<k-man>with backports
23:58<k-man>and a backported kernel
23:58<jmcnaught>k-man: it looks like you need the firmware-amd-graphics package from backports then
23:59<jmcnaught>k-man: i used apt-file to find the package
23:59<k-man>thanks
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