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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-06-20

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02:16<bib>hello
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02:17<bib>can anyone help me by chance?
02:17<prem>hi all
02:17<prem>how can i add secure boot support in debian?
02:17<prem>right now am not able to install debian with secure boot enabled machine
02:17<prem>how can i do that?
02:17<somiaj>afiak debian dosen't support secure boot.
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02:18<bib>anyone know why i can not connect to the internet ive done all the configuration on the virtual box
02:18<bib>just cannot get connection to the internet for some reason
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02:18<jm_>work is being done for secure boot, for now it's best to just disable it
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02:19<Teapotrick>Err, ahoy. Is it currently possible to build (produce) snaps on stable?
02:20<jm_>are you sure you don't want to talk to ubuntu folks about that?
02:21<Teapotrick>I mean debian stable..
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02:22<prem>jm_, is there a way or non method to add secure boot support manually to debian kernel
02:22<prem>say if i am using a custom build kernel?
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02:23<jm_>prem: maybe check https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot and the bug(s) mentioned there
02:23<jm_>yeah I realized you are asking about debian stable, but the thing comes from ubuntu so you'd probably have more luck asking them
02:24<prem>thanks jm_ let me have a look into it
02:24<jm_>no problem
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02:25<Teapotrick>jm_: I see! Any opinion/consensus here about Snaps? They seem... Immature.
02:28<jm_>Teapotrick: it has some advantages, but more disadvantages I guess (reminds me of windows apps)
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02:30<Teapotrick>jm_: In that they're easy to install? :P Windows apps aren't all statically linked, and snaps don't have to be statically linked, as far as I can tell. There seem to be multiple other solutions already available though (ie. appimage)
02:31<jm_>Teapotrick: as in each one brings its own libraries, which remain unpatched etc.
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02:39<awwal>somiaj, seems that stretch will include a signed kernel. I heard that debian is planing to pay a few $ for Microsft
02:40<somiaj>awwal: debian has been wanting to add secure boot, but I think it is the other way around. MS is helping sponsor debconf last I heard.
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02:41<awwal>https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot
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02:49<frx3p>Bonjour
02:49<somiaj>!fr
02:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
02:49<somiaj>frx3p: only if you wanted a french chanell for debian support
02:50<frx3p>hello smiaj, oups
02:50<frx3p>sorry
02:50<frx3p>yes it's better in french because my english is very...bad !
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02:51<frx3p>But maybe while i stay here i learn english
02:51<frx3p>:)
02:52<somiaj>frx3p: your choice, if you have a debian question just ask.
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02:55<frx3p>yes i will do, thanks for support
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03:27<seba>Hey there ! I am trying to setup Debian on a SD card for a headless computer using debootstrap and I think I'm missing something. It boots in graphical mode on qemu but not in -nographic mode. And looking at my SD card, I don't see the files I have to edit to get a serial console com on boot (isolinux.cfg, txt.cfg and adtxt.cfg). What did I do wrong ?
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03:30<jm_>you activate serial console by ensuring getty listens there and telling kernel to use it as well
03:31<seba>And how do I tell the kernel to use it ? I used to modify the .cfg files to d o that, but here I can't find them
03:32<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Virtual_and_serial_console_changes
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03:32<jm_>more details in serial-console.txt
03:33<seba>Thanks, I'll have a look !
03:34<jm_>np
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03:40<artmx>Hello
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04:06<andrey91>Всем привет!
04:06<andrey91>ping
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04:07<grove>!ru
04:07<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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04:18<gonzalo>hi everybody!! My Network Manager disconnects randomly in debian 7 and I dont know why...
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05:38<danielito>root password
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05:47<harry123>hi guys, I tried to update my system (debian testing) and it told me:
05:47<harry123>serious bugs of sysvinit-utils (2.88dsf-59.4 → 2.88dsf-59.6) <Outstanding>
05:47<harry123>b1 - #827705 - dependency loop between initscripts and sysvinit-utils causes dist-upgrade failure
05:47<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/827705 in sysvinit-utils (open): «dependency loop between initscripts and sysvinit-utils causes dist-upgrade failure»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-06-19; last modified: 2016-06-19.
05:49<jm_>read the topic and find out that for testing you shall use #debian-next
05:49<harry123>sry, I shall do that
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06:14<narcan>hi, do you know a mib browser for debian please?
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06:19<duclicsic>narcan: i do not know of one specifically, but a google search for "debian mib browser" references 3 on just the first page of results...
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06:19<duclicsic>qtmib, tkmib, mbrowse
06:20<gonzalo>hi everybody!! My Network Manager disconnects randomly in debian 7 and I dont know why...
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06:21<duclicsic>gonzalo: if you want help with that you're going to have to elaborate significantly
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06:23<narcan>duclicsic: my question it was: in the archive and tkmib seems to be in the archive. Thank you
06:23<jm_>I think he was here before and showed logs of NM saying interface disabled or somesuch
06:23<gonzalo>In the logs: "NetworkManager[15269]: <info> disable requested (sleeping: no enabled: yes)"
06:24<duclicsic>so far we don't even know what kind of connection it is
06:24<duclicsic>wired/wireless?
06:24<gonzalo>wireless
06:24<duclicsic>have you checked that you have a strong signal? that there's nothing interfering with it?
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06:27<gonzalo>yes, the signal is good --> Link Quality=59/70 Signal level=-51 dBm
06:28<duclicsic>ok more questions, has it ever worked in debian? has it worked in a previously installed OS? what kind of wifi hardware is it? what driver is it using?
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06:30<gonzalo>yes, It has worked in debian (6 and 7), driver= rtl8192se, card= Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
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06:34<duclicsic>ok so it used to work? what has changed? have you updated the driver at all?
06:34<duclicsic>there are some references out on the googles to people having issues with this driver/card
06:34<duclicsic>might just want to read through them and see what works
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06:38<gonzalo>yes, it used to work, sometimes i update the netbook, and i dont know if the driver has been updated...
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06:39<gonzalo>I 've been searching google and I have not found anything useful ... any ideas?
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06:40<duclicsic>sorry man searching google is pretty much what i was doing
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06:42<gonzalo>duclicsic, thanks a lot
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08:17<Guest212>how can i enable wifi ?
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08:23<blast007>Guest212: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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08:26<blast007>Guest212: also, depending on the chip, you might also need extra firmware for it to work
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09:40<merlin1991>so my vanilla (no custom kernel stuff) debian 8.5 server just had a kernel oops anywhere I should put that information?
09:41<sney>only if it's a reproducible oops
09:41<sney>if it just happened once and you can't make it happen again, just mark it down as sunspots or whatever
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09:46<merlin1991>I see, it's a writeoff for now then
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10:10<guardian>hello, I can't preseed debian 9 alpha6. is there a log I can inspect? when I enter my boot command, hitting enter brings me back to the menu screen
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11:35<Aquarius1>I need help on udev to give a usb harddisk the same name every time on booting or when I plug it in. I am experimenting now with a USB stick as the principle wiil be the same. I added a file 10-usb.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d with just the line ATTRS{vendor}="Kingston", NAME="USBStation". I expected after reboot to see "USBStation" in /dev. Well, it did not show up. I read https://wiki.debian.org/udev . To my pity links are to another site
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11:41<moon>is there anything similar to task manager on debian? i have a lot of unidentified cpu usage
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11:42<jmcnaught>moon: there is the command "top", and also desktop environments usually have a program like GNOME's system monitor
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11:57<Aquarius1>@moon: I have 'Task Manager' in 'System' using Jessie and LXDE
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12:43<mdlpe>hi, i'm on jessie x64 and I need a package in testing. I added testing on my sources.list, update but i can't see the package I want
12:45<mdlpe>if i maka a #apt-cache policy i can see libkdcraw23 4.4.14 but not 4.15.08 ?
12:46<jmcnaught>mdlpe: mixing stable and testing is not safe and will either break your system or result in a partial upgrade to testing, and tears.
12:46<mdlpe>mdcnaught, probably but I need the uptodate raw library for my camera
12:47<jmcnaught>mdlpe: first take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and then here are instructions on how to safely backport a package to stable: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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12:47<jmcnaught>note that not all packages can be backported
12:47<jmcnaught>,checkbackport libkdcraw23
12:48<judd>Backporting package libkdcraw23 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cmake (>= 3.2), libraw-dev (>= 0.16.1).
12:48<mdlpe>jmcnaught, I began by the backport but it's the same version of the libkdcraw23.
12:49<jmcnaught>mdlpe: what do you mean you began by the backport? not all packages are in the jessie-backports repo
12:49<jmcnaught>some people make their own backport packages, but according to judd this particular package cannot be backported
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12:51<mdlpe>jmcnaught, no, i try to update this library with the backport but it's the same version of jessie. The 4.15 is in stretch
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12:52<jmcnaught>mdlpe: please elaborate on your use of the word backport
12:53<jmcnaught>mdlpe: also if you have added stretch repos to your sources.list on jessie, remove them before you break your system
12:53<blast007>mdlpe: if you have a 'deb' (not deb-src) line for testing or sid in your jessie sources.list, you're doing it wrong
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12:54<mdlpe>ok, i'll remove testing on my sources.list but where is the solution for my raw library ?
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12:55<blast007>why do you need the updated version?
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12:55<jmcnaught>mdlpe: the camera does not work at all without this updated library?
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12:57<mdlpe>I'm not sure that the latest library solve the problem, but on my Pentax K3 the PEF files doesn't work properly on digikam
12:58<jmcnaught>mdlpe: reading changelogs to see if a fix has been included in newer versions would be a good first step
12:58<mdlpe>ok, thanks
12:58<jmcnaught>if nothing has been fixed, don't put effort into installing newer versions
12:59<jmcnaught>if there are fixes in newer versions, you could consider running the software in a chroot of stretch or sid, if the effort involved is worth it for you
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13:02<mdlpe>thanks, I'll try to fing a solution or waiting to fix this problem itself.
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13:20<billythekid>hi, anyone helping please?
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13:20<billythekid>how can i update my debian version to the current one?
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13:22<billythekid>im getting an alsa error when im starting up my system
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13:25<eightyeight>billythekid: what version are you currently running?
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13:28<musca>!debian-handbook
13:28<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
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13:31<billythekid>eightyeight: its the 7 debian version
13:32<eightyeight>billythekid: you'll need to change your sources.list(5) to the new version, then `sudo apt-get update' and `sudo apt-get upgrade', and reboot
13:33<musca>!release notes
13:33<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
13:33<musca>^ complete upgrade procedure included
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13:34<musca>eightyeight: your receipt will fail
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13:36<musca>erm, s/receipt/recipe/
13:36<eightyeight>why will it fail?
13:37<musca>"apt-get upgrade" won't introduce new packages
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13:38<retrospectacus>see also the channel topic
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13:42<billythekid>eightyeight: could you get me a command line to add the new debian on the repos , please?
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13:44<eightyeight>billythekid: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
13:44<magyar>hi, i have an issue with jessie not displaying user information for "who" and "w" command
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13:47<jmcnaught>magyar: what information is missing?
13:48<billythekid>eightyeight: i cant use the web, my browser is too oldl i know i can add it with a command like
13:49<billythekid>eightyeight: do you know if the latest debian requires more hardware resources?
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13:50<billythekid>i could use a lght weight window manager
13:50<billythekid>|latest
13:50<jmcnaught>billythekid: it's a good idea to follow the instructions in the jessie release notes. can you read them on a different computer? At the very least you should be able to read them with the text mode browser w3m
13:51<eightyeight>billythekid: your browser is too old? what browser is so old, it can't render that HTML page?
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14:03<magyar>jmcnaught: yes, it returns no data
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14:06<jmcnaught>magyar: nothing, just returns you to the prompt? how are users logging in? what kind of system is it?
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14:07<magyar>jmcnaught: just returns the prompt, the server used to be a 32 bit jessie now I changed it to 64 arch
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14:10<jmcnaught>magyar: switching from i386 to amd64 can be pretty complicated, maybe something went wrong... but is this a container, VM, bare metal? Users are logged in with ssh, telnet, console?
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14:11<jmcnaught>magyar: does /var/run/utmp exist, what are the owner/group/perms?
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14:15<awwal>magyar, how you done the transition from i386 to amd64?
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14:18<magyar>jmcnaught: it's on iron, I'm logging in using ssh, i just noticed that the links from /var/ to /run are all missing
14:19<magyar>awwal: better support for desktop software
14:19<magyar>awwal: chromium and pluggins in particular
14:20<magyar>jmcnaught: i just noticed that systemd is complaining a lot in the journal about the /var/run folder, so I think that is the main issue, or at least one of them
14:22<jhutchins>magyar: I believe he asked how, not why.
14:22<awwal>right now migrating from jessie to stretch is "impossible"; system ends broken bcoz of apt trying to remove sysvinit-utils :P :D
14:23<jhutchins>awwal: Sounds like normal progress in building the next release.
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14:23<jhutchins>awwal: Should be fixed within two to three weeks.
14:24<awwal>jhutchins, all fine yeah; stretch still in testing :P
14:25<magyar>jhutchins: awwal: i used the cross-grading methond, which was a biatch
14:25<jhutchins>Sounds like they're working on "pure systemd".
14:25<magyar>afk
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14:27<awwal>magyar, I have seen the debian entries about cross-grading yeah, but seems like the method is not really recommended
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14:27<awwal>jhutchins, thats what I understood yes; sysvinit going out everyday more :P
14:27<ansgar>jhutchins: sysvinit-utils is still essential though. (And I don't think systemd's sysvinit script compat layer will go away for stretch.)
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14:29<jhutchins>Yeah, I don't think it will be successful for a while. There are projects that refuse to go along.
14:33<ansgar>It would be nice if we have native systemd units for all "typical" units... And if more stuff would support socket activation (I would like it for Postgres which I only need sometimes on my desktop for development).
14:34<ansgar>At least the former might happen with stretch, but then there is always the "long tail".
14:35<awwal>magyar, the best way for switch from i386 to amd64 is reinstalling, what ever you do (the possibilities existing right now) you end with a broken system or half broken
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14:35<ansgar>awwal: There is an open RC bug that seems related to upgrading sysvinit-utils (#827705). apt-listbugs just shows it here.
14:36<jhutchins>ansgar: Somebody has to do the work, and if a project has a working init startup system, nobody has incentive to build a whole new systemd framework unless someone's big systemd fan.
14:36*dpkg decapitates petn-randall conan the destroyer style, courtesy of petn-randall
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14:38<awwal>ansgar,yesterday I tried to upgrade jessie to stretch and experimented that bug, yeah, thats why my comment (like an advice if anyone is planing to do that...)
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14:42<lupine>hmm, 4.6 kernel is causing my display to flicker from time to time. is there a known workaround?
14:42<lupine>(it was fine in 4.4)
14:42<lupine>oop, that's stretch, of course
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14:47<Fox682>i'm looking to upgrade my old kernel to 4.4 lol
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14:47<Fox682>But I'm waiting for LMDE3 to do it, (i'm on LMDE2 - Linux Mint Debian Edition)
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14:52<lupine>4.4 is good. 4.5, 4.6, not
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14:55<Fox682>That's what my research confirms... didn't want the bleeding edge kernels as of yet until they get the bugs outs.
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15:10<somiaj>Fox682: this is not the proper place to ask for linux mint support.
15:11<somiaj>debian stable uses the 3.16 kernel.
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15:11<Fox682>somiaj... I was not asking for Linux Mint Support.
15:11<Fox682>I know how to update my kernel and install an OS, if I needed help I would ask Explicitly.
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15:19<jhutchins>Kernels would be one of the primary places I would suspect to find differences.
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15:20<zeek>hi guys :)
15:22<zeek>I'm having a little problem with debian and nvidia - basically I have a monitor that can go to 3840x2160 but I want a 1920x1080 res - the thing is this settings is lost at every reboot - did you guys solved a similar issue lately?
15:22<zeek>I know I provided few(0) details, but you know.. maybe someone had the exact same issue or is aware of something..
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15:28<somiaj>zeek: using nouveau or the nvidia driver? How are you changing the resolution once it is booted?
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15:29<zeek>hi somiaj :)
15:30<zeek>so, we are on debian stable, nvidia driver installed following the wiki (enabled contrib non-free, installed linux-headers and nvidia-kms)
15:30<zeek>the only way to change resolution once booted is nvidia-settings
15:31<somiaj>Wasn't there a button on nvidia-settings to save the output?
15:31<somiaj>anyways, can you also change it with 'xrandr' or have you tried?
15:31<zeek>yes, i tried
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15:31<zeek>xorg.conf shows a section for screen and monitor and it looks good
15:31<zeek>but it is ignored - also, I can use xrandr.. indeed a trivial solution would be to force xrandr after login
15:32<somiaj>zeek: by default you shodulnt' need those, care to shrae your xorg.conf file
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15:32<somiaj>if xorg is igoring the resolution setting you have in the monitor section in the xorg.conf file, you should be able to figure otu why in the logs
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15:32<somiaj>care to share your xorg.conf
15:32<somiaj>(at paste.debian.net)
15:33<zeek>unfortunately I can't because I'm not in front of that pc.. I can do it tomorrow but don't know if you'll be there :)
15:33<zeek>anyway
15:34<zeek>xorg.conf is autogenerated by nvidia-settings, I didn't modify it so there should be no error
15:34<somiaj>well you should be able to set up the resolution and anything you can configure with xrandr in the xorg.conf file so it uses it by default
15:34<somiaj>oh that might be your problem, nvidia generates very poor xorg.conf files (espcailly now since xorg autodetects most things)
15:34<zeek>ok
15:34<zeek>nice to hear
15:34<somiaj>You should need only the stuff you want that is not default
15:35<zeek>indeed I thouhgt it would be enough the section about the nvidia driver
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15:35<zeek>but there was this issue with the resolution..
15:35<somiaj>so you have to have a small section for the video device that tells your system to use the nvidia drive, (like 3-4 lines) then a small piece that tells your system what you want the defualt resolution to be (if xorg isn't detecting the defaults you want)
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15:35<somiaj>and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file will tell you what xorg is detcting and how it is using the info from the config file, cna help debug issues
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15:36<zeek>I checked the xorg.0.log and there was no error
15:36<zeek>only nvidia driver that detected the monitor and set the resolution to max
15:36<somiaj>well it won't be an error, it will tell you how it decides what to use
15:37<zeek>ok
15:37<somiaj>anyways, you should come in for support when you have access to the pc so if someone has time to help you debug the issue, we can look at the actual logs and xorg.conf file being used, I'm just talking in gneralities here.
15:37<zeek>yes I know and I thank you :)
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15:38<zeek>I'm here to talk in generalities (don't know if it's against rules)
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15:38<zeek>I'm not a newbie so if you give me hint I remember ;)
15:38<zeek>moreover, I was hoping someone had the same issue :D
15:39<zeek>anyway... correct me if I'm wrong
15:39<somiaj>zeek: it is not, just makes it hard to help as our guesses could be incorrect which would clear it up if we had a log (:
15:40<zeek>:D
15:40<zeek>correct me if I'm wrong - hardcoding the resolution to the xorg.conf is equal to run a script with xrandr --mode 1920x1080 after login
15:41<zeek>probably in /etc/xdg/something - right?
15:41<zeek>(i need this to be run specifically after X is already started)
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15:42<somiaj>it will achive the same affect (might have less flickering as xorg loads)
15:44<zeek>ok.. it would be nice to understand why it doesn't simply keep the resolution chosen in nvidia-settings
15:45<zeek>....do you think that the fact I tried for the first time with gnome monitor settings may have screwed something up?
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15:49<zeek>okok I understand that being unable to make test and post output it's quit useless.. anyway thanks for your help somiaj :)
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15:55<zeek>bye (:
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16:12<kion>did a sudo apt-get update and got this error message: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551 any ideas?
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16:13<retrospectacus>ignore it or import that key
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16:14<Fox682>Check your date and time, ensure they're correct.
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16:21<retrospectacus>kion: note that is just a Warning and will have no effect on functionality. If you are experiencing an actual problem, please provide full output on http://paste.debian.net
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16:22<kion>retrospectacus, no problem at all, I was just wondering why this happened? and how will it go away?
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16:23<retrospectacus>it is because you have added a non-debian repository (google chrome, looks like) and not provided the signing key, for apt to be able to verify it
16:23<retrospectacus>plenty on google about all that
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16:33<billythekid>eightyeight: its security warnings
16:33<billythekid>ty , see ya
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16:37<eightyeight>ok...
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17:33<jhutchins>kingsley: Do you perhaps have a 32b install?
17:33<jhutchins>kingsley: sorry, kion, gone.
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18:12<Capum321>hello
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18:18<Capum321>I am trying to compile mono-addins package. get this error http://paste.linuxmint.com/view/lsje/
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18:21<Capum321>this package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/
18:22<blast007>what version of Debian are you running?
18:22<Capum321>actually i am running linux mint
18:22<blast007>!mint
18:22<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
18:23<Capum321>but this is a package issue?
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18:23<blast007>fwiw, if you were running Debian Jessie, you could just install that package
18:23<Capum321>i see
18:24<Capum321>no... it isn't in .deb format
18:24<Capum321>you should build it
18:24<Capum321>that's when i got the error
18:24<blast007>(well, not that exact package name, but the various packages it makes)
18:24<blast007>regardless, you'll need to ask on the Linux Mint support resources
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18:25<Capum321>thanks for the tip
18:25<blast007>np, hopefully they'll be able to offer assistance
18:25<Capum321>maybe ##linux ?
18:26<blast007>that'd be another option, yes
18:26<Capum321>is it on this server?
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18:27<Capum321>back
18:28<Capum321>which server runs ##linux ?
18:29<sney>chat.freenode.net
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18:30<Capum321>thanks
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19:38<grummund>Hi, is there some magic needed to add a 3rd-party repo to apt-cacher-ng?
19:39*grummund hoped it might be automatic
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19:39<themill>"add"? it's just a proxy
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19:41<grummund>yeah, it's proxying to debian reops OK
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19:42<grummund>in fact it proxies to the 3rd-party repo as well, just doesn't seem to cache it
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19:43<grummund>from inside a chroot, if that mattters.
19:44<themill>that shouldn't matter and it should cache just fine
19:44<themill>How are you checking?
19:45<grummund>looking in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng on the proxy host
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19:46<themill>I have plenty of entries there from repos inside chroots
19:46<themill>did you configure apt inside the chroot to use the proxy?
19:47<grummund>yes it's configured inside the chroot. if you have it working without special config then that's useful to know.
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19:49<themill>yeah, I'm using the version from backports atm, but that has always worked afaicr
19:52<grummund>using a chroot with script to build a debian raspberry pi image. apt-get from the debian repo is fast but getting the kernel from elsewhere seems normal download speed.
19:55<themill>is it using apt to get the kernel?
19:56<grummund>yes
19:56<grummund>is there a way to test it outside the chroot?
20:02<themill>you can load up apt with a stack of options to point it to a local sources.list etc; tools like apt-venv probably do that better these days
20:03<themill>or there's chdist
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20:05<grummund>thanks. i'll keep digging.. ;)
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20:25<starstuff>Hi, how do I install 32-bit libsdl on amd64 jessie?
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20:25<sney>!multiarch howto
20:25<dpkg>i heard multiarch howto is http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
20:25<starstuff>sney I did that already
20:25<sney>ok, then ask your real question :P
20:26<starstuff>when I type: apt-get install libsdl1.2debian:i386
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20:26<starstuff>I get an error
20:26<blast007>"an error"
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20:27<starstuff>http://paste.debian.net/740434/
20:27<starstuff>error ^
20:28<starstuff>so how do I fix that so I can get 32-bit sdl on my amd64 system? thanks.
20:28<sney>what is the output of 'apt-cache policy libsdl1.2debian'
20:29<starstuff>sney: http://paste.debian.net/740435/
20:29<sney>that package may not be multiarch capable (not all packages are), the i386 version may install if you remove the amd64
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20:31<starstuff>sney, http://paste.debian.net/740436/
20:31<starstuff>I think I probably want those applications?
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20:32<starstuff>starstuff: is there a way to remove the amd64 version without removing gnome, gimp, et al?
20:32<sney>'gnome' is just a metapackage that won't remove your desktop
20:32<starstuff>yes
20:33<sney>gimp probably does rely on libsdl... but maybe you could install 32-bit gimp instead. again, not all packages can do multiarch
20:33<sney>in any case, if it doesn't work you can always just reinstall those few packages
20:34<starstuff>sney: http://paste.debian.net/740437/
20:34<starstuff>says there is no i386 gimp ^
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20:34<sney>that sounds like you didn't actually set up multiarch.
20:35<blast007>I can install libsdl1.2debian:i386 on an amd64 VM with multiarch set up
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20:35<starstuff>I did: dpkg --add-architecture i386
20:35<blast007>and then 'apt-get update' ?
20:35<starstuff>yes
20:35<blast007>show us the output of 'apt-get update'
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20:36<starstuff>this is my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/740439/
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20:36<starstuff>blast007: http://paste.debian.net/740440/
20:37<starstuff>apt-get update ^^
20:37<blast007>your sources are bad. you don't have the main repo, only backports.
20:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 755] by debhelper
20:38<blast007>!jessie sources.list
20:38<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
20:38<starstuff>blast007: would you please tell me how to fix it?
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20:42<starstuff>blast007: thanks the "apt-get install libsdl1.2debian:i386" is working now.
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20:43<blast007>if you want backports, that gets added as an *additional* line to your sources.list
20:44<starstuff>blast007: would you please show me, just so I get it right, what the backports line would look like?
20:44<blast007>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
20:45<starstuff>blast007: thanks
20:45<starstuff>I appreciate the help a lot
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20:53<jammm>So I just installed Debian 8 Jessie. During install I choose manual configuration of IP addresses. When I boot I get "network is unreachable" when using ping. It appears that the static IP configuration is lost. Do I have to manually reconfigure static IPs?
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20:55<jmcnaught>jammm: what does it say in /etc/network/interfaces? It's pretty easy to configure with this file, some directions here: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and in "man interfaces"
20:56<jammm>one moment
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20:58<jammm>jmcnaught: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/467c131ba344693b170df13987f1966b x.x.x.x is my dns server I choose during the instalation
21:00<jmcnaught>jammm: the stanza is missing address, netmask, gateway, and the last word on line six should probably be "static" not "auto". Take a look at that wiki page I linked to above
21:01<jammm>jmcnaught: Is there any reason why the address, netmask and gateway are missing
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21:01<jammm>jmcnaught: as I set them during install
21:02<jmcnaught>jammm: sorry i don't know, i generally use DHCP
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21:04<jammm>frustrating
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21:04<starstuff>How do I resolve the missing library on lines 5 and 6? http://paste.debian.net/740441/
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21:09<jmcnaught>starstuff: libGLU.so.1 is in the package libglu1-mesa. libGL.so.1 it depends on the graphics driver you're using.
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21:10<jmcnaught>jammm: yeah :/ but it's not very difficult to configure now and you'll probably only need to do it once
21:10<starstuff>jmcnaught: is it possible to install libglu1-mesa:i386 without uninstalling so many other packages?
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21:11<starstuff>jmcnaught: see it wants to uninstall many applications: http://paste.debian.net/740442/
21:11<somiaj>starstuff: figure out why it is removing the other packages. Do you have an amd64 version from jessie-backports by chance?
21:11<starstuff>somiaj: I think so yes but not sure entirely
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21:13<somiaj>add a -t jessie-backports to your install command, looks like you have ltos of stuff installed from jessie-backports
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21:15<starstuff>somiaj: what does it mean that I have a lot of stuff installed from jessie-backports? Will that situation ever get resolved?
21:15<starstuff>do I need to do something?
21:16<somiaj>it isn't a bad thing, it is just you have chosen to install lots of software from jessie-backports
21:17<somiaj>you just need to ensure the version of your i386 libs match the amd64 libs. Due to pinning your command is prefering the jessie version over the jessie-backport version, which then removes a dependency in which lots of other packages depend on
21:17<starstuff>my nouveua was crashing constantly until I updated
21:17<somiaj>adding the -t jessie-backports makes jessie-backports pin higher thus allow you to install the packages correctly
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21:23<somiaj>starstuff: that is fine, jessie-backports are provided for cases that you need better hardware support than is in jessie
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21:23<starstuff>somiaj: Thanks!
21:24<somiaj>the issue is now you have access to two different versions of software, and by default jessie packages will be prefered because they are better tested and shoudln't be upgraded to without the user needing to
21:24<somiaj>but once you start mixing in jessie-backports you have to be careful with multiarch and depends.
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21:25<somiaj>and by be careufl is always read and dont' just blindy say yes when installing packages
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21:30<jammm>jmcnaught: I configured it but im not getting network connection now
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21:35<jmcnaught>jammm: after configuring the interfaces file did you do "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" ?
21:35<jammm>jmcnaught: I rebooted
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21:37<jmcnaught>jammm: some places you can look include the output of "ip a", "journalctl -u networking -b"
21:39<jammm>jmcnaught: it appears something is invalid in ../interfaces
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21:39<jammm>jmcnaught: just need to figure it out
21:39<jmcnaught>jammm: you're welcome to put the file into another paste if you'd like some peer review
21:40<jammm>jmcnaught: I typed inet4 rather than inet
21:40<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I realized that my System is always getting slow, and some applications that require more graphical resource, such as 'Supertuxkart', don't open, unless I reboot my machine
21:41<jammm>jmcnaught: Thank you very much for your help
21:41<jmcnaught>jammm: you're welcome. you got it working now?
21:41<R4F_Debian>Should it be related to 'youtube-dl', by any way ? I am having this experience since yesterday before, but don't know how to fix this issue
21:42<jammm>jmcnaught: Yes, I now can ping etc
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21:42<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: it's probably not related to youtube-dl if youtube-dl is not currently running
21:43<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught, Nice to see you again ! Really thanks for attention !
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21:44<R4F_Debian>jmcnaught, I can't understand that, I made some research to be able to use it better, and don't know if this issue is related to any problem in the fs (btrfs), for my machine is ok
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21:45<R4F_Debian>'dmesg' doesn't show me any error (surely there is a lot of information I still don't know to use in 'dmesg' command...
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21:46<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: if my computer is running slowly i use a program like 'top', sorted by CPU usage (by pressing capital 'P').. or System Monitor in GNOME
21:46<R4F_Debian>now, I am using 'bleachbit' not as root user, and it showed me /.session-errors and /.xsession-errors.old
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21:48<R4F_Debian>I can do it in 7 minutes, have to wait 'BleachBit' scanning here to be able to use the computer more efficiently. I wil install 'top' here
21:48<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: it's probably already installed
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21:49<blast007>R4F_Debian: how much RAM does the system have?
21:49<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, I will check it, need to know why this kind of issue is happening here
21:49<R4F_Debian>Hi blast007 ! Glad to see you and jmcnaught again ! :)
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21:50<R4F_Debian>Well, blast007, this computer is very old - 2 ram
21:51<R4F_Debian>quite simple and limited - intel celeron 2.66 ghz, one core
21:51<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: it's quite possible that the slowdown is caused by your system running out of RAM and using swap then
21:51<R4F_Debian>but it was working fine 3 or 4 days ago, and Debian have been always running fine here
21:51<R4F_Debian>Please, jmcnaught, how to be sure about it ?
21:52<blast007>next time it gets slow, check the output of 'free -m', specifically the line that says +/- buffers/cache (as that is how much is used/free when excluding stuff like disk cache) and the swap line
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21:52<starstuff>Why does Neverwinter Nights fail to launch after line 31? http://paste.debian.net/740451/
21:52<R4F_Debian>Great, blast007, I will do it in 3 or 4 minutes. Have to wait 'Bleachbit' operation be finished here
21:53<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: top can also sort by memory usage with the capital 'M' key. use 'q' to quit
21:53<R4F_Debian>ok, jmcnaught, it's command line based... ?
21:53<blast007>yes
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21:54<R4F_Debian>Great, I will use both Support you gave me, jmcnaught and blast007, Thank you very much for Great Support ! :)
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21:55<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: while I certainly appreciate how friendly and polite you are it really isn't necessary on IRC :)
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21:57<R4F_Debian>well, I don't have intention to be inconvenient, sorry, jmcnaught
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21:59<R4F_Debian>it's a way to express my gratitude for all of yours that have been helping me a lot uncountable times
21:59<R4F_Debian>But, sorry
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22:00<jmcnaught>R4F_Debian: no need to apologize, and i understand completely
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22:12<Guest268>.sorry.
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22:15<starstuff>Why does Neverwinter Nights fail to launch after line 31? http://paste.debian.net/740451/
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22:27<sney>starsstuff: ask in #winehq on freenode
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22:28<starsstuff>sney: even though I'm not using wine?
22:28<sney>doh I half read it
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22:29<sney>that's a pretty old binary. but there's no error on that page. maybe there's a verbose option you can pass for more information
22:30<somiaj>not sure why it isn't launching, and the last thing printed doens't give much of a clue, maybe there is a way to make it more verbose.
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22:31<starsstuff>yes it is old true. I've had it working before on linux a long time ago. maybe if I changed to the nvidia proprietary driver the result would be different?
22:33<sney>no idea, there's nothing indicating a driver problem
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22:33<sney>meanwhile libc and a host of other libraries have had major changes since nwn was current
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23:44<anonymous>hello
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23:44<anonymous>..
23:44<anonymous>hello
23:45<sney>hi.
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23:54<anonymous>I'm new to this, I learn I can help I found deep in the operating system
23:55<anonymous>I'm new to this, I learn I can help I found deep in the operating system
23:55<sney>what?
23:57<anonymous>I can teach anonymous use tools
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23:58<sney>that seems unlikely.
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23:58<sney>anonymous: this is a debian support channel. if you have a question about using debian, you can ask here. But if you just want to chat about anonymous then please go away. thanks.
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