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00:00<anonymous>ok
00:00<anonymous>bye
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00:07<desktop>how in the world do I boot into single user?
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00:07<desktop>I need to use fsck
00:07<desktop>something is seriouslty screwed up
00:07<desktop>I think wine did it
00:08<sney>'advanced options for debian' I think is the second grub option these days? one of the sub-options there is single user
00:08<sney>maintenance mode it's called sometimes
00:08<desktop>nope
00:09<desktop>dont have that option
00:09<sney>what do you have instead
00:10<desktop>nothing
00:10<desktop>just kernels
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00:11<twb>in /usr/sbin/adduser, where is invalidate_nscd defined?
00:11<twb>I need to steal it for my own LDAPy equivalent
00:11<twb>Ah must be AdduserCommon
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00:11<twb>Found it
00:12<desktop>i cant believe in having so much issue to do something so simple
00:12<sney>desktop: is each kernel listed twice? the second option of each should be single. otherwise, you can hit 'e' to edit the boot command line and add 'single' to the end of it, then follow the on-screen key command to boot it
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00:12<desktop>yes
00:12<desktop>just recovery mode
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00:12<sney>recovery mode is single user.
00:13<desktop>nothing for single user
00:13<desktop>then why does in mount /dev/sda?
00:13<twb>desktop: what is the fault?
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00:13<sney>it has to mount something to boot your OS
00:13<sney>but it'll mount it read only which is good enough for fsck
00:15<desktop>fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 e2fsck 1.43 /dev/sda2 is mounted. e2fsck: cannot continue, aborting.
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00:15<desktop>??
00:15<desktop>twb: all kinds of crap
00:16<twb>sney: I don't think you can fsck a mounted filesystem, even mounted -o ro
00:16<desktop>pretty sure something broke trying to get wine running to play steam games
00:16<desktop>nightmare
00:16<twb>I have never had a good experience with wine
00:16<desktop>getting iwlwif error, fsck error, was getting a mysql error
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00:17<desktop>wont startx
00:17<twb>My conspiracy theory is that it is designed to trick people into buying nvidia cards and running freedom-hating nv driver
00:17<desktop>server error
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00:17<twb>desktop: if this is a recent install, maybe it is simplest to just reinstall
00:18<desktop>oh god
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00:18<desktop>no
00:18<twb>desktop: otherwise, I recommend you pick one problem and focus on it until it's fixed
00:18<desktop>im trying to...
00:18<twb>OK so which problem
00:18<desktop>I need to run fsck
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00:18<twb>fsck the root filesystem?
00:19<desktop>I never had so much trouble running single user in my life
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00:19<desktop>what gives?
00:19<desktop>startx
00:19<twb>startx is not related to running fsck, so ignore it
00:19<desktop>x server loads right up under root
00:20<desktop>I know
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00:20<twb>desktop: are you trying to fsck the root filesystem, or some other filesystem?
00:20<desktop>yes...
00:20<twb>desktop: which?
00:21<desktop>....what does that have to do with runing single user so I can even use it?
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00:23<twb>I don't know what "single user mode" has to do with running fsck. It is not really a concept in systemd. If you want to fsck a regular filesystem, you do not need to do anything special, just unmount it. If you want to fsck the root filesystem, you must either tell systemd to do so, or run fsck before the rootfs is mounted.
00:23<twb>I am assuming you are running systemd, which is the default in Jessie.
00:24<desktop>ok...how in the world do I get this thing to boot without mounting the filesystem????
00:24<twb>Do you know how to pass boot options to the kernel, from the bootloader (e.g. grub) ?
00:25<twb>e.g. options like quiet, splash, single, nomodeset
00:25<desktop>ive done that
00:25<desktop>wow
00:25<twb>You need to either pass fsck.mode=force (which will tell systemd to pass -f to fsck, for all items in /etc/fstab with a nonzero fsck pass), or you need to pass break=bottom (which will let you do things by hand).
00:26<desktop>how in the world does it go so frickin scrambled so easily?
00:26<twb>I can't comment on that because I don't know what you've done to this system.
00:27<twb>Most common cockup is to add random things to sources.list and install package versions that don't work together
00:29<desktop>ok, well..im a chemist....Im not going to get a cs degree just to run a proper os
00:29<desktop>this is insaNE
00:30<twb>I understand you're frustrated, but I can really only help with specific issues.
00:31<desktop>I really dont understand why this is so difficult
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00:31<twb>I don't understand what "this" is.
00:31<desktop>...again...I need to boot without mounting my filesystem
00:32<desktop>this used to be beyond easy to do
00:32<twb>Then pass break=bottom.
00:32<desktop>???????????????????????????????????????????/
00:32<desktop>huh?
00:32<twb>desktop: 14:25 <twb> You need to either pass fsck.mode=force (which will tell systemd to pass -f to fsck, for all items in /etc/fstab with a nonzero fsck pass), or you need to pass break=bottom (which will let you do things by hand).
00:32<desktop>ok
00:32<desktop>I dont know how to do that
00:32<twb>14:24 <twb> Do you know how to pass boot options to the kernel, from the bootloader (e.g. grub) ? 14:25 <twb> e.g. options like quiet, splash, single, nomodeset 14:25 <desktop> ive done that
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00:33<junkmechanic>hi.. in a bit of a fix i am..
00:34<desktop>..........................................................I dont have a cs degree...sorry
00:34<junkmechanic>i am using jessie on a laptop, running slim that initiates bspwm
00:34<desktop>I followed several instaructions to do that online
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00:34<desktop>no luck
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00:35<twb>desktop: OK, I cannot do much better over IRC. If you are at a university, try to find a nearby linux nerd to help you out face-to-face
00:35<desktop>a university???
00:35<junkmechanic>i connected the laptop to an external monitor.. that worked out fine.. so after disconnecting the external monitor, and rebooting i have lost my display on the laptop
00:36<twb>desktop: sorry, you kept talking about degrees, I assumed you were in academia
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00:36<zorg24>My laptop's been crashing when I try to watch videos in vlc (also randomly, but it seems more frequent in vlc) I'd greatly appreciate if anyone can help me diagnose this
00:36<desktop>yeah as in...I shouldnt need one to get my os to do very basic things
00:36<twb>zorg24: first step would be to run vlc in a terminal so you can see error messages. You probably have an ~/.xsession-errors with existing output
00:37<desktop>I never seen any thing so screwed up so easily
00:37<desktop>I did t nothing
00:37<desktop>I instaled some things from reps, and this crap happens?
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00:37<desktop>wtf
00:39<twb>junkmechanic: can you get a shell at all? If so you can try to rescue it with the xrandr command.
00:39<twb>junkmechanic: is the display missing at the slim stage, or after logging in?
00:39<zorg24>twb, yeah that file is there but I have not really sure what I'm looking for http://vpaste.net/ZCjW6
00:40<twb>zorg24: I don't recognize any vlc output in there. Try running vlc via xterm for a while
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00:41<zorg24>ok
00:41<junkmechanic>twb: thanks, the display goes off after grub..
00:41<desktop>I dont know why I even bother with this crap in irc
00:41<junkmechanic>i guess the moment slim is launched..
00:41<twb>zorg24: typically .xsession-errors gets reset each time you log in so if you're reading that, make sure to grab it straight after vlc crashes
00:41<twb>junkmechanic: I'm not sure how to fix that, the only thing I can suggest to try is the nomodeset option
00:41<desktop>in 12 years I cant think of many times Ive actually got a working soltuion
00:42<twb>junkmechanic: you could also try talking to the slim people
00:42<zorg24>twb, oh I should have more clear my whole machine restarts not just vlc crashes
00:42<twb>zorg24: ahh
00:42<junkmechanic>twb: the only access i have is through a root shell from grub .. the moment i do Xorg -configure it switches off
00:42<twb>zorg24: in that case you should be checking the journald and/or syslog/auth.log around the crash time
00:42<junkmechanic>rather it goes secondary is what i believe...
00:43<junkmechanic>so i can even complete the xorg configureation
00:43<twb>junkmechanic: that's odd, but I'm not too sure that's due to a secondary display
00:44<junkmechanic>cant*
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00:45<twb>junkmechanic: I would also try checking Xorg.0.log
00:46<zorg24>twb, is there an easy way to tell when my computer turned on in those logs?
00:46<junkmechanic>lmme see if i can get a login shell without launching slim at startup...
00:46<junkmechanic>i will return
00:47<jm_>single user mode?
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00:47<twb>zorg24: in journalctl it'll say so explicitly
00:48<twb>zorg24: for rsyslog, I would try looking for early kernel messages ("[ 0.000]" or so), or for rsyslogd itself starting.
00:49<zorg24>twb, actually in journalctl it doesn't look like it goes any farther back than when I turned it on
00:50<twb>OK that's because /var/log/journal doesn't exist
00:50<jm_>it doesn't do persistent logging by default, or if you enabled it by hand, journalctl -b -1
00:50<twb>sudo mkdir /var/log/journal and try again, I guess?
00:50<twb>Otherwise syslog
00:54<zorg24>twb, how does syslog work, I haven't had much luck with that one
00:55<twb>is rsyslog installed?
00:55<twb>It just writes to /var/log by default
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00:56<zorg24>twb, there's a file called /var/log/syslog but its empty
00:57<twb>zorg24: then I guess rsyslogd isn't installed, or is broken
00:58<zorg24>twb, systemctl status says its running
00:59<twb>NFI
00:59<twb>I guess you could debug rsyslogd at the same time :P
00:59<zorg24>awesome
01:01<twb>grep --no-filename -vE '^(#|$)' /etc/rsyslog.conf /etc/rsyslog.d/*.conf ===> something like this: http://sprunge.us/cici
01:01<twb>The *.*.../var/log/syslog line is what writes to that file
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01:03<zorg24>twb, oh I may have been looking at the wrong file, some of the .log files have stuff in them
01:03<twb>The main two *should* be /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log
01:06<zorg24>twb, ugg I'm incredibly dumb, its b/c I wasn't using sudo
01:06<twb>I nearly said
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01:12<desktop>you mean to tell me there is no way to boot without mounting my filesystem without learning how to edit grub???
01:13<desktop>and learn the nomenclature to pass along specific parameters?
01:13<desktop>that seem waay too in depth to do something so basic
01:14<zorg24>twb, oh wow that was easy it may have just overheated b/c there's a bunch of messages about thermal throttling right before it turned off, (goes to get can of compressed air)
01:15<twb>zorg24: OK glad we have a culprit
01:15<twb>desktop: if there is, I do not know it.
01:16<twb>desktop: although now I think about it, you could obviously just boot a live CD
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01:17<desktop>A CD?
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01:17<desktop>those still exist?
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01:18<twb>desktop: you can put it on a USB key or whatever instead. The point being that you're booting a different rootfs, rather than NO rootfs.
01:18<zorg24>desktop, I mean they're still sent around as iso files, but just put it on a usb
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01:18<desktop>yeah...no trouble at all
01:19<desktop>I cant believe there is not a simple solution for this
01:19<desktop>what happened to holding down s while b ooting??????????/
01:20<twb>desktop: where did that work? SunOS?
01:20<desktop>that is the most unbeleivable clunky solution to something that should be extremely easy
01:20<twb>desktop: single user mode on System V will still mount the root filesystem.
01:20<jm_>perfect opportunity for you to contibute the feature then?
01:20<desktop>lots of unix type distros over the years
01:20<desktop>no
01:20<desktop>its not
01:22<twb>In any case, repeating your complaints about it is not productive. If you want to rant, try #debian-offtopic. If you want to fix your current system, stay here. If you want it to be simpler for next time, write a bug report.
01:23<desktop>so the only solution here is to go buy a thumb drive, download debian, install it, just to enter a mode that allows me to do something?
01:24<desktop>why in the world does x server boot just fine under linux?
01:24<desktop>under root*
01:25<twb>Until Debian 9, the X server *has to* run as root.
01:25<desktop>ok
01:26<sney>(belated reply: fsck works just fine on ro filesystems IME, at least with jfs and ext3/4. limited/no experience with others)
01:26<desktop>thats great. why does my desktop load when im in root?
01:27<desktop>in root, x server loads just fine
01:27<desktop>in $ errors
01:27<sney>maybe you broke something in your user profile. make a new user, log into it (or sudo -u whatever -i etc) and try to start x
01:27<sney>xinit should let any normal user kick off the X process
01:28<twb>sney: ah thanks for the update re -o ro
01:29<jm_>that's how fsck runs at boot anyway
01:29<twb>Note that by default only users on secure ttys can start xinit/startx - this does not include shells inside tmux/screen
01:29<sney>^
01:29<twb>Oh, are you sure? Because ISTR having to copy btrfs fsck into the ramdisk...
01:30*twb pokes around
01:30<sney>btrfs might have some extra weirdness
01:30<sney>I wouldn't discount it
01:31<twb>I'm probably just wrong
01:32<twb>I definitely have fsck.btrfs in my ramdisk, but not anything for ext
01:32<sney>if you're digging out a cobwebby memory regarding btrfs fsck, it probably involves early janky btrfs and all of the extra weirdness that entails
01:33<sney>wasn't there even a thing about early btrfs not having a proper fsck? but that's a topic for -offtopic, probably
01:33<twb>Yeah let's drop it for now
01:39<zorg24>where am I supposed to send a bug report specifically for a package in debian testing?
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01:40<desktop>aiglx: suspending aiglx clients for vt switch(EE) Server terminated with error (1). closing log file.g file at
01:40<twb>zorg24: are you using reportbug?
01:40<sney>zorg24: when you use reportbug it will let you specify versions. but if the package is in testing, you should check for a newer version already in sid, as it may contain a fix for the problem you are reporting
01:40<twb>zorg24: if so you can specify a version
01:41<twb>Also testing discussion is best sent to #debian-next
01:41<zorg24>twd, ok thanks
01:41<jm_>also check bts before sending a bug report
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01:43<desktop>>error: cannot close "/tmp/server-0.xkm" properly (not enough space?) output file "/tmp/server-0.xkm" removed
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01:44<sney>"not enough space" errors generally imply that you don't have enough space, or your disk is read-only due to errors, or something along those lines
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01:44<desktop>i know.
01:44<desktop>i freed up space, still error
01:45<desktop>under # boots fine
01:46<desktop>maybe the update screwed something up
01:46<sney>did you try the suggestion with a separate user profile
01:46<desktop>no
01:46<desktop>so if it does work with a new user, what then?
01:46<sney>then you broke something in your main user's profile
01:47<sney>either intentionally or via some software or whatever
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01:47<desktop>ofc
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01:47<desktop>but what to do?
01:47<sney>migrating data from one profile to the other is pretty trivial
01:48<desktop>so migrate to a whole new user...
01:48<sney>why don't you see if x will start with the new user before you go complaining about how hard it is to move a bunch of directories
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01:49<twb>IME trying to unf*ck such cases over IRC takes forever, it's easier to get a local meatbag to do it
01:49<desktop>assuming I have such options
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02:05<junkmechanic>alright so i got myself another display so i can see whats going on...
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02:05<junkmechanic>if i connect the hdmi before boot, it shows the slim login on the hdmi and laptop screen is blank.. which is expected...
02:06<twb>I'd have expected it to be mirrored until X starts
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02:06<twb>and probably after
02:07<junkmechanic>so probably it is being mirrored but the laptop just doesnt display it
02:07<junkmechanic>and the laptop screen is not completely off.. i can see the backlight glow..
02:08<twb>on my jessie system, X is smart enough to choose the highest common resolution shared by both monitors
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02:09<twb>Having said that, I've had problems where monitors send back crap EDID DDC data, so X sets them to a mode they claim to support, but don't
02:09<junkmechanic>as it is over here.. xrandr shows the two are on the same resultion which is that of the hdmi
02:10<twb>yeah I'm going to blame that on the EDID blob in your onboard display
02:10<junkmechanic>that just went above my head
02:11<junkmechanic>edid
02:11<twb>junkmechanic: EDID/DDC is how X asks the monitor what resolutions is supports
02:11<twb>So that you don't have to hard-code modelines like in the 00s
02:12<junkmechanic>hard code reminds me of xorg.conf
02:12<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID
02:12<desktop>added user
02:12<twb>Basically I'm saying your laptop's monitor is a bit stupid
02:12<desktop>same error
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02:18<goldfusion>Hi, just installed Jessie and I have no sound output. Can anyone help?
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02:19<goldfusion>http://paste.debian.net/740504/
02:19<jm_>try 'amixer scontents' and ensure it's not muted
02:19<goldfusion>http://paste.debian.net/740505/
02:20<twb>Check all cards, not just first
02:20<twb>ref. /proc/asound/cards
02:20<jm_>(apolay -L lists all deviecs)
02:20<jm_>aplay too
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02:21<twb>If pulseaudio is in there, check pavuctl(?) or purge it
02:21<goldfusion>aplay output: http://paste.debian.net/740506/
02:21<jm_>yeah so PA
02:21<jm_>poke in its settings
02:22<goldfusion>amixer scontents: http://paste.debian.net/740507/
02:23<goldfusion>twb: http://paste.debian.net/740508/
02:23<twb>...or remove it ;-)
02:23<goldfusion>I don't understand how to poke pulseaudio
02:23<twb>goldfusion: I guess the second card is your HDMI output
02:23<goldfusion>yes I think so too
02:24<twb>goldfusion: if your sound is coming from the TRS jack you can simply ignore your HDMI audio
02:24<goldfusion>how can I ignore the HDMI audio?
02:24<twb>just don't use it :-)
02:24<jm_>if you are using gnome go into system settings and find it there somewhere
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02:25<goldfusion>jm_: that was the first thing I tried and the "test speaker" button doesn't play sound for any of the three choices that are selectable as a device.
02:26<jm_>goldfusion: you can try speaker-test -D ... with devices listed by aplay -L
02:27<jm_>I would try it with plughw devices
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02:29<goldfusion>jm_: how do I use plughw devices?
02:29<jm_>goldfusion: I just told you, speaker-test -D ... and specify one, then the next one ...
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02:39<junkmechanic>twb: any other suggestions??
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02:39<junkmechanic>i can see it flash the login screen for a fraction of a sec the moment i start slim... and then it goes away
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02:42<twb>junkmechanic: nope
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02:45<junkmechanic>i am going to try your suggestion regarding nomodeset now
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02:47<junkmechanic>when does modsetting start btw?
02:48<somiaj>it is loaded with the graphics driver fairly early on (which also gives higher resolution on consoles)
02:48<twb>When the screen flashes and all the text goes tiny
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02:49<junkmechanic> yeah... from what i can tell pretty much where my screen goes blank
02:50<twb>junkmechanic: were you the EDID guy?
02:50<twb>yeah.
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02:50<twb>that would make sense
02:50<twb>It's using the same bad EDID blob
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02:50<junkmechanic>so with nomodeset option should i expect it to remain at whatever the bios resolution is and still have x started?
02:51<junkmechanic>can i get rid of the EDID blobb?
02:51<twb>For Xorg, you can override it and explicitly pass a modeline
02:51<twb>I don't know about KMS modesetting
02:52<somiaj>junkmechanic: the EDID is on your monintor, though youcan provide a custom one if you want.
02:52<twb>http://sprunge.us/VjUj this is what I used to do decades ago
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02:52<twb>When LCDs and DVI were new tech :P
02:54<somiaj>junkmechanic: most modern graphics drivesr work with the kernel kms driver and so if you want acceleration with your xorg graphics driver you might need it
02:54<jm_>you can see what X gets back from monitor in its logfile, or use get-edid|parse-edid
02:54<somiaj>junkmechanic: I missed the original problem, but are you just trying to change the resolution of your console?
02:56<junkmechanic>somiaj: i connected my laptop to an hadmi monitor..
02:57<junkmechanic>and ever since i have disconnected, my primary display has stopped working
02:57<junkmechanic>goes blank at modsetting (as i have just learnt its called)
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02:58<junkmechanic>using nomodset option makes the display work... but as expected it is not using the driver
02:58<junkmechanic>or not using its acceleration
02:59<twb>*modesetting
02:59<twb>Also called Kernel Mode Setting
02:59<somiaj>junkmechanic: oh yea. I think that is trange, even on my systems with modsetting a console displays on all monintors, xorg itself can be configured per monintor (at least that is my experience)
02:59<somiaj>arg mode setting (:
03:00<junkmechanic>twb: oh oh.. hence kms.. i see
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03:04<junkmechanic>i just came across a comment on forums regarding adding ` "video=LVDS-1:d" ` at boot
03:05<junkmechanic>how do i know what the name of my screen is .. edp1 etc..
03:05<junkmechanic>where can i find that info
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03:08<twb>it's in xrandr
03:08<twb>e.g. xrandr for me has "eDP1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)" so I guess mine is "eDP1"
03:09<junkmechanic>i was worried about the trailing letters there .. ':d' is that some kind of suffix
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03:10<junkmechanic>oh oh...those are options
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03:10<jm_>d means disable it
03:10<jm_>read fb/modedb.txt
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03:12<junkmechanic>jm_: yeah .. just found that on arch wiki
03:12<jm_>so you probably want e?
03:12<junkmechanic>under forcing edid
03:12<junkmechanic>lemme try that..
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03:13<junkmechanic>D seems like an option too
03:13<junkmechanic>relevant* option
03:14<twb>Bear in mind "crap EDID" is still only a guess
03:14<jm_>yeah D is enable it but use digital output
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03:14<twb>Have you already poked in your EFI/BIOS config screen?
03:16<junkmechanic>i was about to poke grub cmdline to add this... what do you mean?
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03:18<twb>I dunno, just for anything suspicious
03:18<twb>The fact that rebooting with HDMI unplugged didn't fix it makes me suspicious of EFI
03:18<jm_>have you tried hard reset after unplugging it?
03:19<twb>good question
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03:20<junkmechanic>unplugging the external monitor? yes..
03:20<jm_>no hard reboot of laptop
03:20<twb>turn it all the way off and remove battery
03:21<junkmechanic>i cant remove the battery but i have certainly turned it off a couple of time in the past 2 hours..
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03:22<jm_>ok so that's not it either
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03:23<twb>OOC what is the GPU
03:23<twb>lspci | grep VGA
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03:24<junkmechanic>running i915 on intel integrated
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03:26<junkmechanic>/sys/class/drm/card0-eDP-1/status shows connected..
03:27<junkmechanic>but still a blank screen
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03:28<jm_>maybe it's using wrong mode on it, have you checked that in x log?
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03:31<junkmechanic>nope.. where exactly should i check?
03:31<jm_>put it on the pastebin -- /msg dpkg paste
03:32<junkmechanic>where should i look for the log?
03:33<Anarka>/var/log/Xorg.0.log
03:33<junkmechanic>oh ok..thanks Anarka
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03:37<junkmechanic>alright so i ma about to share the entirelog.
03:39<junkmechanic>here you go jm_ : http://paste.debian.net/740543/
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03:45<jm_>unfortunately it all looks OK to me: Output eDP1 connected, Output HDMI1 connected, Output eDP1 using initial mode 1920x1080, Output HDMI1 using initial mode 1920x1080 and that mode is listed as supported by the built-in screen, although it's suboptimal
03:45<junkmechanic>and if change the resolution of the eDP using xrandr, the screen again flashes for a sec with the adjusted resolution and then goes off.. what a fucking tease
03:45<jm_>even if you set it to the native one?
03:45<junkmechanic>yup
03:46<jm_>does anything show up in x log/dmesg output when you run xrandr to do that?
03:47<junkmechanic>lemme see
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03:47<junkmechanic>yeah the built in optimal resolution is 3200x1800
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03:49<jm_>the only difference I see is that modelines listed for both outputs are slightly different
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03:51<junkmechanic>this is all that comes up on changing resolution to optimal and then back to suboptimal
03:51<junkmechanic>http://paste.debian.net/740554/
03:52<jm_>yeah that's the same as before, only stuff for HDMI one
03:53<junkmechanic>it cant be above the kernel layer right?
03:53<junkmechanic>i mean it happens even before slim is launched..
03:53<junkmechanic>or so i perceive
03:54<jm_>ahh yeah then it's a bit pointless to look in x logs, I misunderstood it then
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03:56<junkmechanic>but on the other hand, the kernel seems to be recognizing it as well..
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03:57<junkmechanic>where exactly is the fault ..?
03:59<junkmechanic>do you know that heavy feeling that descends when you weigh your options ... spending time debugging this or spending time reinstalling.. :D
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04:00<jm_>if it happens without X it must be kms driver, tried newer kernel?
04:00<junkmechanic>oh yeah..
04:00<junkmechanic>why the heck not...
04:00<junkmechanic>lemme pin backports and get it up
04:01<Anarka>and/or xserver-xorg-video-intel also available in backports
04:02<junkmechanic>i think it will be pulled along with it .. ?
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04:04<Anarka>before installing new stuff i would remove/comment the changes made to xorg, give it a chance to work out of the box
04:05<jm_>no it's not a dependency for kernel packages, you need to install it manually
04:05<junkmechanic>oh.ok Anarka and jm_
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04:08<rajendra>how to know that where this command ' apt-get install php' will install php ?
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04:09<twb>rajendra: after it's done, dpkg -L php
04:09<rajendra>before installing any package.. i would like to know in which folder the package will be installed
04:09<twb>rajendra: BEFORE you run it, try apt-file
04:10<twb>dpkg won't let two packages use the same paths, but if you are installing things outside of dpkg/apt, it could clobber those
04:10<dpkg>twb: I think you lost me on that one
04:11<junkmechanic>shut up stupid bot
04:11<rajendra>dpkg -L php is showing error -> dpkg-query: package 'php' is not installed
04:11<dpkg>ii php is showing error -> dpkg-query: package 'php' is not installed 3.2-15.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
04:11<junkmechanic>rajendra: its only for installed packages..
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04:12<rajendra>i did install sudo apt-get install php mysql
04:12<rajendra>same error for mysql
04:12<junkmechanic>ok.. done upgrading kernel.. lemme reboot and report back.. wish me luck..
04:12<rajendra>dpkg-query: package 'mysql' is not installed
04:12<jm_>there are no packages named php and mysql in jessie
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04:13<Anarka>you sure the package is called mysql
04:13<Anarka>oops :)
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04:14<junkmechanic>mother of god it worked...
04:15<junkmechanic>did you hear that jm_ .. did you ?
04:15<piper>I don't run stable, so not sure on the version number but, something like apt install mysql-server-5.6
04:16<Anarka>mysql-server should be enough
04:16<jm_>junkmechanic: haha nice
04:16<junkmechanic>after all that, it was about updating it...
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04:17<junkmechanic>thanks a lot guys.. Anarka jm_ twb ..
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04:17<Anarka>simple solutions :) np
04:17<twb>junkmechanic: what was fix?
04:17<junkmechanic>twb: i updated the kernel and driver from backports..
04:17<twb>junkmechanic: ah cool
04:17<twb>sorry I did not think of that
04:18<junkmechanic>i would not have learned anything if you had thought of that..
04:20<rajendra>dlocate php works though
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04:23<rajendra>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto <-- seems helpful guys
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04:27<jm_>junkmechanic: no worries
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05:14<junkmechanic>so the new kernel has given it to my wifi module..but since i have actual work to do, i will leave it for tomoroow..
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05:44<rajendra>is it possible to check from which repo/ppa the package has been installed?
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05:46<jm_>are you using ubuntu?
05:46<duclicsic>rajendra: i didn't know the answer, but pasting your question verbatim into google returned the answer in the first result
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05:46<jm_>!which repo
05:46<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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05:50<alumno>hhola
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06:00<junkmechanic>i generally just do apt-cache policy
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06:20<lvc>hello
06:20<lvc>I've got a weird issue, freshly installed debian jessie with lxde
06:21<lvc>I can't log in on x, when I click ctrlaltf1 login is possible but on graphical login manager it goes in a loop keeps asking for user/passwd. Any ideas would be appreciate:)
06:22<lvc>ah the screen is black after login try and again goes log in empty
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06:25<lvc>hello?
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06:26<lvc>I can't log in on x, when I click ctrlaltf1 login is possible but on graphical login manager it goes in a loop keeps asking for user/passwd. Any ideas would be appreciate:)
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06:26<jm_>try checking the DM/session logs
06:26<lvc>mhm thanks
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06:28<lvc>jm_, error permission denied to Xauthority, could it be that?
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06:29<jm_>lvc: yes, but why does user get that? what have ypu done to it? ownerd by root?
06:29<lvc>hmm system is just 15 min old, the only thing I did is installing openssh and vino
06:30<pedro>hi can anyone help me out ? im getting the message "error failing to start sound system" at the boot messages..? anyone?
06:30<pedro>it was since i installed an application i dont remember wich
06:30<lvc>jm_, I am going to try to change owner
06:30<jm_>lvc: just delete the file, it will be recreated, or rename it
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06:31<pedro>can i do apt-get reeinstall alsa?
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06:32<lvc>jm_, allright
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06:32<gonzalo>hi!! Is there a applet mixer for pulseaudio in debian jessie? similar to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin?
06:33<pedro>i get error can load kernel modules
06:33<pedro>cant
06:33<jm_>which kernel modules does it try to load?
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06:33<pedro>jm_, ty for answering, the sound modules
06:34<pedro>i got no sound
06:34<jm_>pedro: yeah but which ones specifically?
06:34<pedro>it doesnt says
06:34<pedro>maybe alsa
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06:34<jm_>which card is it? lspci -nn
06:34<pedro>could that be solved by upgrading my debian jm_ ?
06:34<lvc>jm_, worked like a charm - thank you very very much
06:35<jm_>lvc: no worries
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06:36<pedro>could that be solved by upgrading my debian jm_ ?
06:36<jm_>pedro: <jm_> which card is it? lspci -nn
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06:37<pedro>when i type that on the console i get no info about a card, i get help instructions on the command
06:37<yuta>llllllll
06:37<pedro>let me sudo root
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06:37<jm_>are you sure you typed the - (ascii 45)?
06:38<pedro>i tryed lspci -n has root and i gooten lots of numbers
06:38<jm_>use -nn
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06:39<pedro>00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller [1039:7012] (rev a0)
06:39<jm_>,pciid 1039:7012
06:39<judd>[1039:7012] is 'SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1039:7012 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
06:40<jm_>what happens if you load this module?
06:40<pedro>i dont know what loading a module is
06:40<jm_>modprobe snd-intel8x0
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06:42<pedro>jm_, i typed that nothing happend
06:42<pedro>it must have loaded something
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06:43<jm_>pedro: does 'aplay -L' list any sound devices now?
06:44<guiniol>Hello all! I'm setting up backups for a server and I have questions. I was going to set up rsnapshot. However, rsnapshot only does "pull" backup, which means that I need to setup a passwordless remote root access. This is where I need help. I don't want a passwordless remote root access. Is there anything like rsnapshot that does push backups? Is there any way to create a "fake" root account which can only
06:44<pedro>yes it lists lots of them jm_
06:44<guiniol> read whatever root has access to? ...
06:44<guiniol>... How do you guys setup your backups?
06:45<pedro>i think its pulse
06:45<jm_>pedro: so add that string to /etc/modules, run update-initramfs -u and try rebooting
06:45<jm_>guiniol: I use dobackup
06:46<pedro>jm_, i rather upradiong my debia
06:46<pedro>n
06:46<pedro>its 7.0
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06:46<jm_>well yeah upgrading is not a bad idea I guess
06:47<guiniol>jm_: this: ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/mirror/gnu/www/directory/dobackup.pl.html ? I'll check it out
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06:47<pedro>jm_, could you do me a favor, could u help me out adding a repo to upgrde it and then all id had to do whould be apt-get upgrade?
06:48<pedro>i could add the repo trought a command line
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06:49<jm_>guiniol: yeah, ubuntu has (had?) dobackup, previously I had it in /usr/local
06:49<jm_>pedro: it's explained in release notes, have you read that?
06:50<pedro>could i find it n debian wiki?
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06:50<jm_>!release notes
06:50<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
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06:55<pedro>jm_, it just got release nots
06:56<pedro>jm_, cant i upgrade it trought synaptics
06:56<jm_>pedro: you should follow the procedure documented in release notes to avoid getting into trouble
06:58<pedro>jm_ill risk i have another debian on my boot loader
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06:58<pedro>ill just add the repo and upgrade it
06:59<pedro>or i can do it trough following instrutions on the web
06:59<jm_>!wheezy->jessie
07:00<pedro>its 7.0
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07:00<pedro>squeeze?
07:00<pedro>i got7.0
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07:01<jm_>7.0 is wheezy
07:02<pedro>wheres the bot?
07:03<pedro>!wheezy->jessie
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07:04<pedro>!edbian
07:04<pedro>!debian
07:04<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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07:04<neo>hi
07:04<jm_>try /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
07:04<jm_>some factoids won't work via !
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07:05<jm_>hah
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07:05<Guest292>hi
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07:06<duclicsic>!ask
07:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:07<pedro>jm_, the bot was sayd it could be risky doing the upgrade because of some packages
07:07<jm_>pedro: that's specifically about debian multimedia packages, if you don't use those just ignore it
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07:08<jm_>to be precise, it's about deb-multimedia.org, not debian packages related to multimedia in general
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07:09<pedro>im a musician
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07:09<pedro>i use the pc for music
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07:10<pedro>ive beem havig this trouble ever since i installed freevo
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07:13<pedro>jm_, the problem is half solved ty :) im getting sound after i load the module
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07:15<user01>hey im running debian stable with kernel backports . . . could I ask here or is there a backports channel?
07:15<jm_>pedro: just add it to /etc/modules and run update-initramfs -u and it should happen automatically
07:15<jm_>try asking here
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07:17<user01>ok so i just did an update and I did a 'Y' very quickly but the linux-image-amd64 is critical right? http://pastebin.ca/3648984
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07:17<pedro>right on jm_
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07:18<user01>oh but it installed 4.6 so it should be ok i guess . . .
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07:18<user01>im just worried if I should reinstall it back on
07:19<jm_>linux-image-amd64 is just a meta package
07:19<user01>jm_, ok great thanks!
07:19<jm_>you can install one from bpo if you want it
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07:19<jm_>(just add it to the command line)
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07:20<user01>i didnt think it would be an issue but linux-image-amd64 looked pretty important at first glance
07:20<jm_>user01: also, install linux-base from bpo too
07:23<user01>jm_, this is linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ?
07:24<jm_>user01: not sure I understand the question
07:24<user01>jm_, just looking for that package . . . just a sec . . .
07:24<jm_>user01: yeah that's the package containing the actual kernel
07:25<jm_>linux-base is what it depends on, but you need bpo version of it
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07:30<user01>jm_, it doesnt seem to see the bpo version of it -- should i just manually download it and dpkg?
07:31<user01>i see it here: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/kernel/
07:31<jm_>user01: you can have apt install it, «apt... -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 linux-base» shall do the trick
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07:37<user01>jm_, thanks -- these errors I could ignore? http://pastebin.ca/3648996
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07:37<babilen>dpkg: bdo kernel
07:37<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
07:38<babilen>user01: You probably want to install headers also
07:38<jm_>user01: well not if you want to use those modules
07:38<babilen>user01: They would be in linux-headers-amd64
07:39<user01>babilen, ok well it looks like they are just for virtualbox
07:40<babilen>Don't you want to use that?
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07:41<user01>would the kernel backport headers be enough though?
07:41<user01>or i just go back to 4.5?
07:41<babilen>You need the headers if you want to compile modules for it
07:42<user01>im tempted to reboot and see what happens now :)
07:42<babilen>You won't be able to use virtualbox
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07:42<user01>oh
07:42<jm_>you need matching kernel & headers packages
07:42<user01>that's odd because i thought that was what it had just installed
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07:43<babilen>Which command did you use to install the kernel and, as you say, headers?
07:44<user01>babilen, i thought it had installed initally on my update . . .
07:44<user01>Setting up linux-headers-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-common (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1) ...
07:44<babilen>Yes, those are the headers
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07:44<babilen>So the build fails due to something else
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07:44<user01>babilen, maybe i need to reinstall them?
07:45<babilen>You might want to install virtualbox-dkms from backports also
07:45<jm_>maybe you need newer vbox from bpo for newer kernel, quite common
07:45<babilen>But that is just a guess, we'd have to figure out what the problem is exactly.
07:45<user01>jm_ oh ok let me take a look
07:45<babilen>As jm_ says: It isn't too far fetched to assume that the module in jessie doesn't compile against a newer kernel
07:46<jm_>yeah you would see it in dkms logs - ls -lrt /var/lib/dkms/*/*/log/
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07:47<user01>jm_, yeah installing virtualbox backports seems to be fixing it -- would i need to try installing again?
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07:48<user01>the headers?
07:48<jm_>user01: no it should be all sorted now
07:48<user01>jm_, cool ill try rebooting then, thanks for the help!
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09:22<scootergrisen>Is it possible to install Xfce so i both have GNOME and Xfce, but i don't want the installation to change stuff i don't like changed in GNOME like the file manager. Last time i tried it was changed to PCMan
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09:27<duclicsic>scootergrisen: of course it's possible. installing one shouldn't remove applications installed as part of the other.
09:28<duclicsic>scootergrisen: you may find that alternative applications have been installed alongside those you're used to, so it's just a case of selecting the correct one you want to open your various file types when the time comes.
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09:32<scootergrisen>Its not filetypes that changes, its the file manager Files
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09:35<scootergrisen>So when i clicked Places > Home it would open PCMan File Manager or what ever is was called, instaed of the normal Files included with GNOME
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09:36<somiaj>scootergrisen: nautilus should still be installed, so it might just be a configuration issue inside of gnome.
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09:36<scootergrisen>Yes it is still installed but i dont like the changes
09:37<scootergrisen>Can't i just install Xfce and not have it change stuff in GNOME?
09:38<somiaj>debian uses an alternative system (man update-alternatives) so I wonder if that is just being updated when you install xfce. It might just take some configuration changes.
09:38<grawity>the thing is, programs which read preferred apps from the XDG "mimeapps"/"defaults" files couldn't do that based on the current DE
09:38<grawity>so they would always get the same app for inode/directory or text/html, no matter the DE
09:38<somiaj>yea, it could also be using xdg info to determine what app to load.
09:38<grawity>per-DE settings were only added very recently
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11:43<gabby>Hellu
11:44<sney>hi
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11:45<Guest317>I'm quite new and I'm trying to install Flash plugin on Bunsenlabs. apt-get install does not work, and I have the sources.list open with nano but I'm not sure what to add. Where is this "Contrib section" I read of?
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11:46<sney>Guest317, sorry but only debian is supported here, not derivatives
11:46<sney>looks like bunsenlabs has a forum so you can ask there
11:46<Guest317>Oh ok
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12:00<jhutchins>WHere does debian set whether the HW clock is UTC or Local?
12:01<sney>!utc
12:01<dpkg>Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>.
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12:02<jhutchins>sney: thx.
12:02<sney>np
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12:30<barteks2x>is there any way to install Oracle JVM 8 using package manager?
12:31<barteks2x>*JDK
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12:32<barteks2x>I know there is ubuntu ppa with it, and that it will most likely work on debian, but I would like to avoid that
12:33<towo`>yes, use java-package and build your own debs
12:33<barteks2x>I have no idea how to do that
12:33<towo`>then read the manpage
12:34<barteks2x>which one?
12:34<towo`>the one from java-package
12:34<barteks2x>man java-package?
12:35<barteks2x>or what?
12:35<towo`>no, man make-jpkg
12:35<towo`>is is so hard to read the doc of your used packages?
12:36<barteks2x>No manual entry for make-jpkg
12:36<towo`>because you javen't installed java-package
12:36<towo`>learn the basics!
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12:36<barteks2x>that's why I asked here... because I don't know where to start
12:37<barteks2x>If I knew it, I wouldn;t have asked
12:37<towo`>what does oracle java better than open-jdk?
12:37<barteks2x>I need Java Mission Control
12:38<sney>there are some vendors that hard-depend on oracle features, it's unpleasant
12:38<barteks2x>Java Mission Control is made by oracle
12:39<barteks2x>it's (almost?) builtin
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12:40<barteks2x>I hope it will be at least a bit better than visualvm
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12:43<barteks2x>if it's basically the same thing, then I'm out of ideas
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14:06<magyar>hi, how can I display my resolver ip in jessie? the /etc/resolv.conf is missing , i use systemd nm
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14:46<DrZaius>is it just me or letsencrypt is not installable on stable? python-certbot : Depends: python-psutil (>= 2.2.1) but 2.1.1-1+b1 is to be installed
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14:47<DrZaius>okay, -t jessie-backports
14:47<DrZaius>u.u
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15:17<levlaz>hey hey
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15:22*hey :D
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17:24<grummund>Hi, how can i get the url of an arbitary package .deb, given say the package name and deb line from sources.list?
17:25<grummund>(for manually testing a proxy with wget)
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17:26<jelly>grummund: old way: apt-get --print-uris install foo
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17:28<grummund>jelly: thanks that sounds exactly what i need
17:28<jelly>grummund: if you're on jessie or newer, you can just "export http_proxy=whatever" and "apt-get download foo", no need for wget
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17:31<grummund>that will work if it's possible to request a different architecture than the defaut
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17:35<grummund>--host-architecture seems relevant here ;)
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17:52<grummund>sudo apt-get --simulate --print-uris --reinstall install linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae
17:53<grummund>doesn't print a URL, should it?
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18:04<themill>grummund: get rid of the '--simulate'
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18:13<grummund>sudo apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install bash <-- still no URL ?
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18:22<themill>works here
18:23<grummund>i found it needed an apt-get clean first
18:24<grummund>then it prints the urls
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18:28<grummund>alright, so now i have urls for largish packages from separate repos, it is clear that apt-cacher-ng only caches one and passes through the other.
18:28<somiaj>ahh, apt must not print the urls because it isn't downloading any actual package and using the one you have in cache.
18:29<grummund>yep it seems so
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18:30*grummund couldn't see an option that says go download anyway even though it's in the cache
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18:40<themill>grummund: -o Dir::Cache::archives=/nonexistent
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18:42<pyhack>anyone knows fortran language?
18:42<grummund>themill: thank you
18:43<themill>pyhack: you forgot the "and is prepared to admit it"
18:43<pyhack>Sorry, I didn't get you
18:44<themill>just ask
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18:46<pyhack>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37955553/explain-fortran-code -- this is the question
18:47<themill>that's a pretty crap question
18:47<pyhack>I know....
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18:47<pyhack>but I don't know anything in that........So if you could just explain what that loop is doing it will be really helpful
18:48<grummund>looks like a vector multiply add, but really this isn't the right channel
18:48<themill>pyhack: there's no loop there
18:49<pyhack>Its going to run on a parallel machine.... and N tells the compute nodes address.....that which part of loop to run..,, but its fortran and you are right loop is not there, I don't know how it is calculating
18:50<themill>it's not like any of those function calls are standard -- you've got the source code and noone else does
18:50<themill>and the array slicing may or may not be parallelised
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18:52<pyhack>Thanks themill... I will check fortran channel.....thanks for reply...
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18:54<grummund>it seems clear now that apt-cacher-ng only caches certain repos, perhaps those which it has seen in sources.list upon install.
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19:05<themill>grummund: there is a setting for that, although I thought that behaviour was disabled
19:06<themill>is it also possible that the remote server is sending some sort of no-cache header?
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19:10<grummund>themill: not sure about aot-cacher-ng options (still reading). wget -S doesn't indicate an issue with the http headers.
19:11<grummund>but wait..., it's https duh :-/
19:11<themill>heh
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19:49<sleser>im geting an , you are about to install unsigned pakages that can compromise your system as it is impossible to verify if the software came from a trusted source
19:50<sleser>in apper
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19:56<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/741699/
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20:00<themill>the line after you stopped copying is probably the important one
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20:01<sleser>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
20:01<sleser>1397BC53640DB551
20:01<sleser>i think i pasted it i dont know why it didnt paste the #bering part
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20:02<themill>that's google's chrome key
20:03<sleser>i dont use it
20:03<sleser>what should i do with it ?
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20:04<themill>uninstalling chrome would be simplest; you might need to purge their package and then rerun apt-get update
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20:07<sleser>what is the pakage name for chrome ?
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20:09<sleser>cant find chrome in my computer , i think i removed it long time ago
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20:18<sleser>is pepperflashplugin part of chrome ?
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20:20<awwal>sleser, chorome under debian is named chromium, if thats what you meant
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20:22<blast007>no, they actually had Chrome previously, since they had Google repos
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20:26*awwal wonders which stuff chrome offers that aren't in chromium... More tracking and less privacy? :P
20:26<sleser>i dont have chromium installed
20:27<sleser>i ones had it instaled then uinstalled it
20:27<sleser>that was long time ago also
20:27<sleser>is there anything els that i need to do to fix t his problem
20:27<awwal>sleser, if you dont want chrome, remove that repo from your apt file
20:28<sleser>whitch one http://paste.debian.net/741810/
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20:28<sney>iirc google adds a separate file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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20:29<awwal>sleser, your error may be related with new apt and sha1 stuff
20:30<sleser>so itll fix it self later ?
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20:37<awwal>sleser, check your source.list file & sources.list.d dir
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20:44<foreverska>I'm trying to create a local mirror. I've gotten it to mostly work using apt-mirror but it 404s on sid/main amd64 Packages and nothing else. Any top of your head suggestions?
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20:47<arturbmallmann>i dont know much about mirrors, but i think it had to contemplate the architectures that you need
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20:48<sleser>source.list.d dir has one file google-earth.list
20:49<sleser>shoule i remove it
20:49<blast007>do you use Google Earth?
20:49<sleser>nope
20:50<foreverska>Here's something else that's been bugging me, I can "su -" but with the same password "su - apt-mirror -c apt-mirror" says Authentication failure.
20:50<sleser>can that relate to the id # i shown ?
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20:50<sleser>inside it is : deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
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20:52<sleser>ok i just wiped it out looks like its fixed
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20:56<sney>foreverska: apt-mirror is not a username
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20:56<sney>I don't think, anyway...
20:57<sney>foreverska: using sudo -u is a little more intuitive
20:57<foreverska>Duh... yea something about how that was written didn't mesh in my head what it was doing.
20:58<foreverska>That works better, now just to figure out this "cant open postmirror.sh" error. I think that is key to the rest of my issues
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21:04<foreverska>hmmm it's apparently optional... so I still have this issue of no Release file and a 404 on amd64/Packages
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21:48<TristanBomb>Hey, I was wondering if it is possible to downgrade back from sid to jessie
21:48<TristanBomb>It appears that by attempting to upgrade, I have put my system into a really broken apt state
21:48<themill>how far into the upgrade are you?
21:48<TristanBomb>well, it's done already
21:48<themill>(you need to go via testing to upgrade to unstable)
21:49<themill>then back up your data and reinstall, or help fix bugs ;)
21:49<TristanBomb>I just used sid
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21:49<TristanBomb>Well, if it's not really possible to downgrade, then I guess I could use some help trying to fix the dependency issues
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21:52<TristanBomb>When I try to open Inkscape, I get an "error while loading shared libraries: libgsl.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", so I tried to install libgsl0ldbl
21:52<TristanBomb>But it's apparently incompatible with gnome and inkscape?
21:52<TristanBomb>or at least when I try to install it, it tries to uninstall them
21:52<TristanBomb>I had a similar issue with libjpeg
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21:59<blast007>!sid
21:59<dpkg>sid is probably the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
22:00<blast007>also, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next, but it sounds like you might just want to stick with stable (or, at most, testing)
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22:01<TristanBomb>Yeah, I want to go back to stable (+backports) but I can't figure out how to downgrade
22:02<ryouma>,downgrade
22:02<ryouma>!downgrade
22:02<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
22:02<TristanBomb>ah, okay
22:02<ryouma>you can do it if you are really persistent maybe
22:02<ryouma>i did once, took 3mo
22:02<TristanBomb>well, I guess I'll have to figure out how to work with unstable then :P
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23:56<foreverska>You could reinstall *shrugs*
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