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---Logopened Wed Jun 22 00:00:23 2016
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00:56<Yst>I just used "rm" to delete an important file, thinking that I had a better copy of the file elsewhere. No such copy exists. Is there a way to reverse this easily?
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00:56<somiaj>nope
00:57<Yst>I didn't think so.
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00:57<Yst>Thank you, somiaj!
00:58<somiaj>You would have to scan the harddrive for files to try to recover it. There are tools
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00:58<Yst>Yeah, but that seems like more effort than just replacing the file.
00:58<Yst>I'll track down another copy.
00:58<somiaj>Yea, depends on how important it is.
01:01<Yst>Oh, it's very important, but it's also not very unique. It's a default <file:///etc/tor/torrc> file. If I don't get it back before I shut my system down, I'll lose the ability to install packages (as Aptitude on my machine is configured to use the Tor-based Debian mirror). I think I can get it on the Debian website (I'm looking now), and if not, I might be able to extract it from the package.
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01:11<jm_>it's in tor package so if you have it in /var/cache/apt/archives you can extract it from there
01:13<Yst>Oh, sweet. I wondered where the cache was.
01:15<Yst>Nice, the package is in there. Thanks jm_!
01:15<jm_>np
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04:06<Perdouille>Hello !
04:06<Perdouille>I got a little question : I got a 50gb VPS I just finished configuring. I would like to do a full backup of it (Every files from / , to be sure) on another FTP
04:07<Perdouille>Should I do it with rsync ?
04:07<Perdouille>(The other server is a Windows Server 2012)
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04:13<jm_>there are many tools for that, rsync, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup etc.
04:13<jm_>use whatever suits you
04:13<Perdouille>Okay thanks
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04:22<yuhlw>Our router are sending ipv6 router advertisment that provides also the "dns search list". Unfortunately my workstation are not using it to configure its dns-nameservers. Any idea on how to make it work ?
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04:29<duclicsic>yuhlw: a "dns search list" does not set the dns servers you use for name resolution
04:29<duclicsic>it sets a list of dns suffixes that can be appended to names you try to resolve
04:31<peter1138>a misfeature if anything
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04:49<yuhlw>Oh I see... I was misleading. Then let me reformulate my need. How can use the "Recursive DNS Server" transmitted by our router so that my workstation knows the DNS to use.
04:49<yuhlw>duclicsic: oups ! the previous message is for you.
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04:50<jm_>rdnssd/resolveconf/openresole can do that can't they?
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04:51<jm_>resolvconf too
04:52<yuhlw>jm_: So you can not "direcly" use the NetworkManager.
04:52<duclicsic>yuhlw: debian will automatically pick up and accept a recursive dns server as advertised by ipv6 stateless autoconfig
04:52<duclicsic>you shouldn't need to do anythi0ng
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04:52<duclicsic>as long as your router is advertising it..
04:52<grawity>recent NM does in fact support RDNSS, not sure how recent though
04:53<yuhlw>duclicsic: The netadmin told me that they are advertising it. Then how can in that case see that my workstation is using it ?
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04:54<duclicsic>yuhlw: cat /etc/resolv.conf
04:54<duclicsic>is there a nameserver with an IPv6 address listed?
04:55<yuhlw>duclicsic: I do not see any ipv6 adresse for nameserver here.
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04:56<duclicsic>is the machine picking up an IPv6 address correctly?
04:56<yuhlw>I will look at wireshark to be sure that this advertisment are *really* sent
04:58<yuhlw>duclicsic: I got two ips. One on the private and one on the public network. The only thing that it is a bit strange is that I does not feel that ipv6 privacy is enabled.
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05:07<yuhlw>duclicsic: I'm so sorry. I must be blind. I saw that in the NetworkManager panel there is an option for automatic DNS in ipv6. It all works like a charm.
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06:02<yuhlw>duclicsic: many thanks for your help and time.
06:03<duclicsic>you're welcome
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06:07<yuhlw>duclicsic, grawity: what about getting the DNS for a server. How can we do this. Is there some options on interfaces that I did not see or should I install a daemon ?
06:07<grawity>nothing stops you from running NM on a server
06:08<grawity>though, frankly, such things might be good to configure statically on a server anyway
06:08<grawity>but there's also the aforementioned rdnssd
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06:10<yuhlw>grawity: I actually use 2 *sections* on interfaces, where I specify the dns-nameservers. In this way if ipv6 is ready an ipv4 is not, I have a resolv.conf that only use ipv6 dns and vice-versa.
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06:12<yuhlw>Each section does not provides information about the router. So it gets the information from the RA.
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06:34<sebamt>Hey there, I would like to setup an wireless Access Point on a Debian headless computer, am I on the good channel or is there a better one ?
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06:38<prem>hi all
06:38<prem>is there a way that i can schedule a process to run in cpu idle time
06:38<grawity>short answer is "use hostapd"
06:39<grawity>prem: schedtool -D
06:39<grawity>`chrt --idle` should do the same
06:40<sebamt>Thanks grawity, but I already know that. If eveyrhting was working well, I wouldn't be here though
06:40<jm_>and we're supposed to guess that?
06:41<grawity>sebamt: about time you mention that
06:41<grawity>sebamt: would you also please share what precisely is not working well
06:42<grove>sebamt: If you're using debian and software from debian then try asking, maybe someone here (there are quite a few people in this channel) can help (I haven't used hostapd, so I probably can't, but that's just me)
06:43<sebamt>Really sorry to bother you guys... I will ask anyways. I set up the network using this tutorial https://seravo.fi/2014/create-wireless-access-point-hostapd
06:44<sebamt>The network is visible from my other machine (Ubuntu 14.04) but I can't manage to connect to it. I used the GUI for now caue that sounds easier, but it just 'tries' to connect without any result
06:44<grawity>sebamt: check the logs of both hostapd on the AP, and wpa_supplicant on the client
06:44<sebamt>I am NOT trying to share a connection with my headless computer (so no bridge needed), I just need an AP
06:45<grawity>sebamt: regardless, check the logs of both hostapd on the AP, and wpa_supplicant on the client
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06:47<prem>grawity, can "chrt --idle" be used to schedule a process to run only when the cpu usage is less?
06:47<grawity>no
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08:42<irl>anyone else seeing icedove just spontaneously exist when you click things?
08:42<irl>not every click but it's happening often enough that i think something's gone very wrong
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09:25<pedro>hi can anyone tell me whats the tag to load the sound module
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09:38<claw>hello python2.7 was updated to 2.7.3-6+deb7u3 in stable today and i cannot find any use information about what has been changed ?
09:38<claw>*stable = oldstable
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09:41<themill>claw: you might like to subscribe to debian-lts-announce if you want announcements about wheezy-lts.
09:41<themill>(DLA 522-1)
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10:47<dean>HI
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10:48<Guest413>我的名字怎么变了?
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10:48<Guest413>大家说说话呀
10:48<Guest413>管理员
10:48<grove>!cn
10:48<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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10:49<Guest413>我进来了吗?
10:49<maurock>c
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10:49<maurock>hello
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10:54<Guest413>who is here
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10:55<Guest413>!cn
10:55<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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11:05<petn-randall>irl: Do you mean 'exit'? My icedove usually only starts when I ask for it ;)
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12:35<jamesl>Would it be possible to include a function in apt-get that skips the current package being downloaded? E.g. if the user did not want X but did want A, B and C, while X is downloading the user could press a control sequence or escape, and X and its dependencies would be skipped downloading. I believe this would allow users with slow connections to not download unnecessary packages such as wallpapers, and people who have limited storage or
12:35<jamesl>bandwidth to not download packages they would remove anyway. Is this a good idea?
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12:41<jhutchins>jamesl: The trick is to pay attention to which packages aptitude suggests when you invoke it, and come up with a more appropriate request matrix.
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12:42<jhutchins>jamesl: THe more sophisticated dialog of aptitude provides better opportunities to taylor the installation.
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12:43<jamesl>okay, thanks
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12:44<petn-randall>jamesl: aptitude will show you the amount needed to download, and you can also skip recommended packages with the -R option.
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12:45<grawity>wallpapers? I'd probably apt-mark hold those
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14:25<gelcur>Hello, new to Debian, is this the right channel for general newb questions?
14:26<retrospectacus>gelcur: Yes
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14:28<somiaj>gelcur: provided you are running debian stable (as suggested for new people)
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14:31<gelcur>Cool, my eventual goal is to leave windows behind completely. Yes I am currently running debian stable in virtual box trying out different desktop enviroments and getting familiar with the install process. I have a bit of command line experience from my days of remotely compiling code but am unfamiliar with gui front ends.
14:34<somiaj>if you run into issues, just ask a direct question and usually get good answers.
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14:41<jhutchins>gelcur: Windows-free since 2004 here.
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14:48<lindylex>I have a Sound Blaster 16 ISA and trying to get Debian testing to recognize it. How can I do this?
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14:50<jmlongo>hey lindylex ... you may find better help at the #debian-next ... as that room is for testing support .... good luck!
14:50<lindylex>ok thanks
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14:53<gelcur>Going through the install process I started reading up on LVM, volume groups and encryption; it is all new to me. When I am ready to make the final install on the blank drive I would like to put aside 30-50 GB for debian and other applications and the remainder, few hundred gigs, of the drive for data, that could be reach from win7 or debian. A test install showed options for using the entire disk for encrypted LVM. I went down that path to see ho
14:56<somiaj>If you use the expert install mode I think you get more features to better customize how to partition the disk up to use it
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15:13<gelcur>thanks somiaj, I'll look into expert install, haven't had a need for it yet.
15:14<gelcur>I'm guessing my best bet for a "data" partition that both debian and win7 can see and play nice in is still fat32? It is under 1TB.
15:17<retrospectacus>ntfs for file size support
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15:18<towo`>i'm happy with exfat
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15:18<towo`>it's faster than ntfs-3g and even supports large files
15:19<gelcur>debian handles ntfs just fine, i've been out of the loop for a while? I am unfamiliar with exfat.
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15:22<gelcur>That was poorly worded. Does debian handle ntfs smoothly now? A long time back I remeber NTFS was a hassle under linux.
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15:24<towo`>since ntfs-3g there is no problem with ntfs
15:24<towo`>only culprint is the write speed
15:24<retrospectacus>My data drives at home are ntfs and they are handled fine. That said, I never use Windows so I'm not sure about interoperabilationility [sp]
15:24<towo`>it's horrible in my eyes
15:25<gelcur>cool thank you. Speaking of being out of date. My new system is going to be skylake based. Does stable suppor that fine?
15:26<retrospectacus>!skylake
15:26<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
15:26<towo`>you need some packages from backports
15:27<somiaj>gelcur: vfat or exfat works provided you don't care about permisions. linux has ntfs-3g and can read/write to ntfs partitions and there are ext2,3,4 drivers for windows. Though in both cases you have to be careful that the other os doesn't mess with permisions badly (the ntfs-3g driver works just fine)
15:27<gelcur>Good think I asked.
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15:28<gelcur>Thanks somiaj, yeah I don't really care about permisions, I'd rather have peace of mind that one OS won't make the data unreadable to the other.
15:29<somiaj>gelcur: ntfs-3g works just fine, but for portability fat is fine too.
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15:29<somiaj>gelcur: this for a dual boot setup?
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15:30<gelcur>Correct, Windows 7, is getting a small SSD all its own. And Debian will be sharing a large SSD with data.
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15:31<somiaj>I personally trust ntfs-3g enough that if you didn't want another parition just have enough space on the ntfs partition to share files between the two
15:31<somiaj>only issue I can see with this is if you are in windows and want to get something off the linux part which you did not copy onto the ntfs partition first.
15:32<somiaj>(but you would have that issue using an additional fat partition)
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15:33<gelcur>well the linux side will be an encrypted filesystem so grabbing stuff from windows off of it will be a no go, which is intentional. I am tired of a super spying OSes.
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15:36<gelcur>So are you suggesting if I flip the drive sizes and just give win7 all the large drive then I could write to it from Debian.
15:38<gelcur>Alright another question. Say something goes wrong with my debian install and I have it on a encrypted lvm. Would I use a live disk and cryptsetup to retrieve data or restore the install?
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15:41<somiaj>gelcur: you can, provided you have the key you used to encrypt the lvm
15:41<gelcur>of course
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15:44<gelcur>as far as trusted software goes, backports is not tested correct?
15:47<retrospectacus>backports is trusted and tested.
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15:58<gelcur>cool, thank you guys for all the help.
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16:44<anonymous>hi
16:45<Maulkin>!ask
16:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:16<Princess||Dashie||SHG>ANY CODERS IN HERE?
18:16<petn-randall>!ask
18:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:16<petn-randall>!caps
18:16<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
18:17<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Am I in School or Something?
18:17<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Like Why tha actual F*CK would you care about caps?
18:17<mtn>oh boy
18:17<Princess||Dashie||SHG>As long it ain't spam.
18:17<petn-randall>Princess||Dashie||SHG: Do you have a Debian support question?
18:17<Maulkin>Princess||Dashie||SHG: Because you probably want help?
18:18<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Nah I just wanna confirm something : Is it correct that Debian Linux Distros are Open-Source?
18:18<Maulkin>Yes.
18:18<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Okay I know Enough
18:18*petn-randall is betting on someone trying Kali for the first time.
18:18<Princess||Dashie||SHG>I am creating my own Version of Linux with tools i've created the past like 13 years...
18:19<mtn>haha
18:19<Maulkin>More precicely, they're free (as in libre) software, which is 'better' than just open source
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18:19<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Ahah.
18:19<Princess||Dashie||SHG>I understand now.
18:19<Maulkin>Princess||Dashie||SHG: That sounds cool! Good luck with that, bear in mind it's a lot more work than you probably realise.
18:20<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Nah, I've tryed to recreate windows partly, works fine for me, with hand typed code.
18:20<Maulkin>Princess||Dashie||SHG: Have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives - there's some useful info there
18:20<Princess||Dashie||SHG>Thanks
18:21<Maulkin>I'd strongly recommend not starting your own by yourself though - there's a hell of a lot of work involved :)
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18:49<dpkg>Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>.
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21:38<irl>petn-randall: when i go to open mails mainly, but also once when i clicked the quick filter button
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21:40<petn-randall>irl: Can you start it from within a terminal window? Then you can see what causes it to exit.
21:41<irl>yep, i'll try that and see, just wondered if this was something other people had also noticed
21:41<irl>i'll file a bug if it turns out it's a reproducible issue
21:41<petn-randall>irl: Which release are you running?
21:41<irl>jessie
21:42<petn-randall>irl: what does 'dpkg -l icedove' give you?
21:42<irl>icedove 1:45.1.0-1 amd64
21:42<petn-randall>,v icedove
21:42<judd>Package: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.1.0-1; sid: 1:45.1.0-1; experimental: 1:45.2~b1-1
21:43<irl>nah, no
21:43<petn-randall>irl: Are you sure you're jessie?
21:43<irl>oops
21:43<petn-randall>*running
21:43<irl>stretch
21:43*irl keeps forgetting we released a while ago...
21:44<irl>(i'm even worse with ubuntu suites)
21:44<irl>(i have to check wikipedia every time)
21:44<petn-randall>irl: In that case, thanks for beta-testing Debian and see you in #debian-next ;)
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22:46<gelcur>Quick question, when a new stable build gets released. Is there an upgrade path? Or is the prefered option a clean install?
22:47<sney>there is an upgrade path and instructions are in the release notes of the new version
22:49<gelcur>Cool thanks. Now just to settle on a DE and I should be good to try a non-virtual install.
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22:50<somiaj>!tell gelcur about wheezy->jessie
22:50<somiaj>gelcur: that is just an example of the last upgrade path, in general debian ahs always provided an upgrade path that works in most cirucmstances
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22:51<gelcur>Cool thanks somiaj, also this bot is very cool.
22:52<sney>all the people in #debian who seem like they know everything usually just have a query with dpkg open
22:52<sney>it's our dark secret >:D
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22:53<gelcur>hehe, well so far my experience in here has been great, seems like a good community.
22:53<gelcur>Plus I've missed IRC.
22:54<somiaj>sney: or google
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22:54<sney>somiaj: true. though the most valuable IT ops skill nowadays is knowing how to come up with the right search keywords
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23:57<kingsley>Looking for safe hardware? A secure workstation is being developed at Raptor Engineering. It's called a "Talos Secure Workstation". The best explanation of secure hardware I've ever seen is in the video at https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/op_twbx86.php If I understand correctly, it already covers 95% or more of Debian's repository.
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