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01:34<LostSoul>Hi, I'm getting mapiprofile: symbol DEBUGLEVEL_CLASS, version SAMBA_UTIL_0.0.1 not defined in file libsamba-util.so.0 with link time reference
01:34<LostSoul>Any idea how to handle it? I started to get this error after update
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01:37<somiaj>LostSoul: looks like you are mixing versions of software. What version of debian are you running? Are you using samba from this version, also what version of the software giving your that error are you running.
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01:44<somiaj>LostSoul: note samba did do an update from 4.1 to 4.2 due to a security issue. That could possibly be it.
01:45<somiaj>(thought that update happend a while ago)
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02:45<LostSoul>somiaj: I downgraded
02:45<LostSoul>There seems to be bug
02:45<LostSoul>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-mapi/+bug/1571854
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02:47<somiaj>LostSoul: What package is it? And is the bug an incompadability between samba 4.1 and samba 4.2?
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02:49<LostSoul>Seems so
02:49<LostSoul>I didn't found what exact package it was
02:49<LostSoul>I've got another question if you don't mind
02:49<somiaj>LostSoul: I mean what package is giving you that error (what program are you running)?
02:49<LostSoul>How to access paritions from LVM that is block device?
02:49<somiaj>just ask
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02:50<somiaj>I don't know lvm well enought to have more of an answer than read the documentation on the lvm tools
02:50<LostSoul>I mean LVM partition that does not have fs on it but is threaten as block device with partitions on it?
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02:50<somiaj>well the partitions should be mapped to some device in /dev, then you can use normal tools to put a filesystem on them
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02:51<somiaj>I'm unsure the details, but the partitions should be mapped to some device.
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03:05<namoamitabuddha>Hello, folks!
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03:06<namoamitabuddha>How can I disable a daemon from start up?
03:06<namoamitabuddha>I want to stop sshd from startup.
03:07<namoamitabuddha>update-rc.d is deprecated, I think?
03:08<qti500>namoamitabuddha: I recently installed sysv-rc-conf to give me a curses UI for this kind of thing
03:08<namoamitabuddha>But I heard that now systemd is used instead of sysv?
03:09<dtw>namoamitabuddha, "systemctl disable foo.service"
03:09<qti500>namoamitabuddha: Works for me. I recently wanted to stop tomcat and mongodb from start so I just used that. Give it a try.
03:10<namoamitabuddha>The problem is compatibility. From the output of update-rc.d, it reads that
03:11<namoamitabuddha>The disable|enable API is not stable and might change in the future.
03:11<musca>systemctl has tab completion for the service name
03:11<x1>Hello
03:12<musca>hello x1
03:12<qti500>hello
03:13<x1>is it possible to download all programs for the jessie stable amd64 for further install in the vacations ?
03:13<namoamitabuddha>I wonder whether there is an abstraction in debian to control the daemons, no matter whether it's based on sysv/systemd, etc.
03:13<somiaj>x1: in the vacations?
03:13<somiaj>x1: maybe you mean something like apt-cacher-ng?
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03:14<somiaj>namoamitabuddha: the init scripts seem to know systemd is being used, if you try /etc/init.d/service start it tells you that systemctl is being used. I think invoke-rc.d does this too (since that is what packages use)
03:15<somiaj>namoamitabuddha: unsure about update-rc.d though
03:15<somiaj>x1: no need to msg me, just answer the questions in the channel
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03:19<namoamitabuddha>and anybody tried HPN-SSH?
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03:20<namoamitabuddha>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693424
03:20<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/693424 in ssh (open, upstream, wontfix): «ssh: Please include HPN (high performance networking) patches for SSH»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-11-16; last modified: 2015-10-29.
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03:21<namoamitabuddha>The maintainer deliberately disapproved of inclusion of that.
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03:26<x1>somiaj: the goal is to dowload full programs for further install. there is no net in the vacation village.
03:26<LostSoul>THanks somiaj
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03:29<musca>x1: you might want to carry some of the additional DVD-ISO images with you.
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03:31<x1>musca: 1st is it possible to do dowload? 2 how much space is need it and what is necessary? ( stable, amd64, jessie)
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03:36<musca>x1: there are only three DVD images available for direkt http download. The whole series consist of 13 images. The gap is intentional, because nobody needs the whole debian archive for installation.
03:37<x1>musca: ok, how can i get the 13 dvs?
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03:37<x1>(dvds)
03:38<musca>!jigdo
03:38<dpkg>Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/
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03:40<x1>musca dpkg: thanks i will give a try.
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03:44<musca>what a waste of resources ...
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03:50<fralle>is it possible to not forward the ctrl key to only 1 application
03:50<fralle>?
03:50<fralle>(x)
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04:26<junkmechanic>fralle: from what i can tell, the focussed application captures it and passes it to the wm if itself doesnt handle it..
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04:28<junkmechanic>you can check xdotool though...
04:28<junkmechanic>or you can expand on what you want so some else could be suggested by others..
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04:34<fralle>thnx junkmechanic ill check xdotool (what i wan't is exactly that :) = not forward ctrl key to 1 specific app)
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05:09<jes-o-mat>hi folks
05:10<elanw>hi
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05:14<jes-o-mat>I'm using ldap/winbind for my userbase. somehow it does not update added groups per person. getent passwd|fgrep myuser shows me the requested user. getent group|fgrep mygroup show me that myuser is in mygroup. *but* 'id myuser' does not list that group. I already restarted nscd, winbind and samba
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05:44<petn-randall>jes-o-mat: Are you using slapd? I know that by default adding someone to a group does not cause the group attribute of the user to update.
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05:50<jes-o-mat>petn-randall: my backend is an ActiveDirectory
05:51<jes-o-mat>but shouldn't 'id' combine passwd and group?
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05:55<petn-randall>jes-o-mat: Yes, it should.
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08:27<car>what do i do?
08:28<car>oh hi guys
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08:28<car>need help for Sparky linux
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10:17<Human_G33k>hello i need a good tool for rss feed, which can perform script after reception ?
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11:11<slug>anyone here know how to stop iptables logging to dmesg?
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11:13<rudi_s>slug: Don't tell it to log there?
11:14<slug>I logs there by default, I have it setup to log to file but dmesg still gets hit
11:14<slug>it*
11:14<rudi_s>slug: It doesn't log anything by default.
11:14<slug>well no but if you log a drop etc
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11:29<Trinker>Lauch message !
11:29<Trinker>Bon Apetit !
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12:18<rkdeb>Hi all, I would like to know why transferring data from Debian to a pendrive took more time than doing the same procedure from a Windows XP to the same pendrive
12:19<rkdeb>surely Debian in incomparable better than Windows, but why has it happened ?
12:19<rkdeb>Mine's Debian Jessie 8.5 (amd64)
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12:35<Human_G33k>rkdeb filesytem on our devices ?
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12:36<rkdeb>Human_G33k, just had this doubt about transferring data from Debian to USB (pendrive) and vice versa
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12:37<rkdeb>in Debian, it took more time than using the same procedure using Windows. That is just it
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12:37<Human_G33k>the good question is why :)
12:38<rkdeb>yes, Human_G33k, why has it happened, for me it doesn't make sense, it doesn't look logical, but that is the fact
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12:39<Human_G33k>size of our files ?
12:39<Human_G33k>*y
12:39<rkdeb>My Debian jessie is much more stable than any other Unix-like system I've used already
12:40<Human_G33k>your devices are in ext4 ? ntfs ?
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12:40<Human_G33k>are you using nautilus, thunar ?
12:41<rkdeb>no, Human_G33k
12:41<rkdeb>and about file systems, I use XFS in Debian
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12:42<rkdeb>and Windows xp is ntfs
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12:42<Human_G33k>and your usb device ?(if i well understant pendrive)
12:43<rkdeb>I used several systems for testing: FreeBSD, previous and current release, ArchLinux, Slackware, Open Indiana, Springdale Linux, GhostBSD, CentOS. Debian is always much stable even faster than these ones
12:43<Human_G33k>if i remember well xfs is for big files ?
12:43<rkdeb>yes, Human_G33k, I think it is fat partition my pendrive
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12:44<rkdeb>yes, Human_G33k, I transferred a 860.2 MB file
12:44<Human_G33k>always if i remember well fat only support file > 8 go
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12:45<Human_G33k>for me it's probably the point
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12:45<rkdeb>What is your final conclusion about this, Human_G33k ?
12:46<Human_G33k>use a filesystem in accordance with what you do :)
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12:47<Human_G33k>and you should check what is log after modification on your file
12:47<Human_G33k>by default on debian it log each access. i don't know about ntfs on xp
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13:46<rkdeb>back here, sorry, I was busy here, Human_G33k. Do you think it occurs because I use XFS in Debian and pendrive is fat partition
13:47<rkdeb>?
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13:49<hdi>Hi, how do I boot to the last kernel version after a kernel upgrade?
13:49<hdi>(I mean the previous kernel)
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13:55<awal1>hdi, boot with previous kernel version?
13:57<awal1>grub menu ---» advanced options and select the prevversion, hdi
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13:58<hdi>awal1, yes that is exactly what i want. how do I get the grub menu? when I turn it it goes all the way into the logon screen, there is no grub menu shown first (i used to have one, not sure where it went)
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14:00<awal1>hdi, you may have edited the grub default file?
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14:02<awal1>hdi, run cat /etc/default/grub copy and paste (paste.debian.net)
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14:06<hdi>awal1, will do in a sec. for my understanding: is kernel 4.6 more stable or 4.5? I recall something about odd and even versions
14:07<awal1>hdi, are you with testing/unstable or stable?
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14:10<hdi>awal1, jessie (stable) with backport kernel
14:10<hdi>Linux Z 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.1-1~bpo8+1 (2016-06-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:11<hdi>My machine shutdown twice today during work. This normally doesn't happen; last I experienced was when there was a buggy kernel upgrade
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14:14<hdi>grub >> https://paste.debian.net/771757/
14:14<awal1>hdi, for stable I run 3.16 and all fine. in my unstable machine I have 4.6.0-1 (4.6.2-2) and also all fine :)
14:15<awal1>hdi, you have set GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
14:16<awal1>change 0 by what you want (default is 5 - 5 seconds)
14:16<hdi>awal1, I had some really strange issue with full-disk encryption on 3.16, so people recommended I upgrade to the backport kernel months ago. The backport kernel fixed my full-disk encryption issue and was generally ok (minus one buggy update)
14:16<hdi>ok thanks
14:17<awal1>then you will see the grub menu for a few second and you will be able to select what you want
14:17<awal1>dont forget to run update-grub after editing that file
14:18<hdi>awal1, what graphic card do you have? I think the issue was with this kernel and some intel graphics, I saw a bug report on it today on the mailing list.
14:18<hdi>hanks
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14:19<awal1>intel
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14:39<rkdeb>Hi awall
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14:40<rkdeb>Why have you upgraded the kernel from ones of your Debian Installations to currently used ?
14:40<rkdeb>why 4.6.0-1 ?
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14:41<awal1>rkdeb, I have two system (stable - unstable), each one whith it's default kernel.
14:41<awal1>rkdeb, I have to run out, see ya
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14:42<awal1>dpkg: tell rkdeb about ask
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14:43<rkdeb>well, didn't understand why 'dpkg bot'. It was just a technical curiosity, for I just use 3.16...
14:44<rkdeb>ok, thanks for information
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14:50<somiaj>in stable backported kernels are provided in cases that people need a newer kernel (usually because of hardware). The kernels are not as well tested as the 3.16 one, but if you have hardware that won't run on the 3.16 kernel, upgrading is the only option.
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14:52<rkdeb>Hi somiaj. I see, somiaj, in this case, there is no other way, you should use the latest kernel release... Thanks for information.
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15:09<neal>Hello. I'm failing to install debian jessie on my ssd. Can anyone help?
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15:09<mtn>neal: just ask the question
15:10<mtn>neal: you know: errors? details?
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15:11<neal>During the partition step there are no drives found. When I execute a shell and use fdisk I can see it and partition it using fdisk. How can I get the installer to install on that ssd?
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15:13<bill-auger_>how are you installing that is asking you to use fdisk? maybe you have better luck using a installer CD ?
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15:15<neal>Nothing is asking me to use fdisk. I chose execute shell so I could use fdisk. I am using debian jessie installer DVD disk 1. I've successfully installed jessie on 4 other systems with this disk but none with an SSD.
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15:15<neal>I don't understand why fdisk can see the SSD but the installer can't.
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15:16<mtn>neal: which installer are you using? how did you make your install disk?
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15:17<neal>I burned an ISO from the debian torrent.
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15:17<mtn>neal: which iso and how did you burn it?
15:17<bill-auger>there is probably a better answer than this - but if you can access it via the command line you could use a low level format tool like cfdisk and then re-run the installer
15:18<neal>debian-8.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso
15:18<neal>the installer dvd seems fine. I've used it several times successfully.
15:19<neal>I'm able to put a Linux partition on the SSD using fdisk (while executing shell).
15:19<CutMeOwnThroat>don't see why the installer should ignore an ssd disk... it looks like any other disk under linux
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15:20<CutMeOwnThroat>and I've installed jessie on ssd on this laptop... went just like any other install
15:20<CutMeOwnThroat>actually... it went a lot quicker
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15:21<neal>cfdisk sounds a lot like fdisk.
15:21<bill-auger>yes nm it is
15:22<CutMeOwnThroat>cfdisk is an ncurses version and is/was broken (? for some disks) ... it's more gui-i than fdisk
15:22<neal>yeah it's strange. The disk shows up in the output of fdisk -l: /dev/sda
15:23<bill-auger>areyou sure there us only one disk in that box ?
15:23<neal>yes
15:23<CutMeOwnThroat>you probably can continue with the installer if you partition and mount manually
15:23<neal>the SSD and the DVD rom.
15:23<CutMeOwnThroat>check dmesg?
15:24<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, wait... the kernel sees it, but the installer does not
15:24<neal>I thought once I had a new partition table (GPT) and partition made the installer would see but the installer doesn't see any disks to partition.
15:24<CutMeOwnThroat>maybe the installer writes stuff to a logfile
15:25<bill-auger>is this the first OS you have trued to install
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15:26<neal>bill-auger: no. With this hw config I've successfully installed windows 7. Now I'm trying the 2nd OS install: debian jessie 8.4
15:27<bill-auger>if it were me i would be curious to see if any other installer can see it like fedora
15:28<CutMeOwnThroat>I think the installer uses partman.... you can try calling that manually
15:28<CutMeOwnThroat>dpkg, partman
15:28<dpkg>methinks partman is the partitioning tool of the <debian-installer> using libparted. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Partman
15:28<bill-auger>yea i mean another nix - just because windows installed does not give any confidence that you can install a libre distro
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15:29<CutMeOwnThroat>also, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-installer;dist=stable
15:29<itd>Is the windows system shutdown (not hibernated)?
15:30<CutMeOwnThroat>or maybe better https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=partman-lvm
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15:33<neal>partman from execute shell works as expected. It found the disk and partitioned as expected. I think that may be what I needed. Continueing install...
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15:34<CutMeOwnThroat>well, bug #788156 is the closest I see
15:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788156 in debian-installer (open, moreinfo): «debian-installer: Debian-Installer does not detect disks HP G9»; severity: important; opened: 2015-06-08; last modified: 2015-06-09.
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15:42<neal>Yes! After running partman from execute shell and starting installer from cold boot the SSD is detected as expected. Thank you!
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19:27<jeyk>I'm running debian testing, and within the last couple days I've started seeing extreme sluggishness under i3wm but not gnome. it looks like missing repaint events in gnome-terminal and firefox, such that my keyboard inputs are registered but the screen won't necessarily update, but I can switch to another desktop and back to get the application to re-render itself (and the effect my keystrokes is visible once it repaints)
19:28<jeyk>I have no idea where to start to debug this -- it's almost like I'd want to do a "bisect" on the recently upgraded packages, but that doesn't sound very feasible. any tips?
19:28<jeyk>(I'm running debian testing and regularly do a dist-upgrade)
19:28<mtn>jeyk: is the hard drive working hard at that time
19:29<jeyk>nope, top shows that both CPU and iowait are low
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19:29<jeyk>and this problem doesn't appear under gnome
19:29<mtn>jeyk: that seems odd
19:30<jeyk>yeah, and nothing obviously the culprit when I look at recently upgraded packages in dpkg.log...
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19:41<nicolas17>how do I limit network bandwidth use of a process? I'm running "trickle -u 100 b2 upload_file" and it reports pretty stable 166KB/s, so I'm looking for alternatives
19:41<nicolas17>since trickle clearly doesn't work
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19:51<nicolas17>just tried -u20, still uploading at 180kB/s, trickle isn't worth the 125KB of disk space it uses
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20:05<nicolas17>wondershaper looks very interesting, but it looks like it would need to run on the system with all the traffic
20:05<nicolas17>I'm doing heavy uploading (which I want to throttle) in one machine, and interactive network usage in another
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20:07<jeyk>nicolas17: what is "upload_file"? I wonder if this caveat applies: "Trickle can only limit traffic of programs that do not fork, so shaping a FTP server's traffic will not work that way."
20:08<nicolas17>it's a Python script, it doesn't fork but it uses threads, that may be enough to confuse trickle :/
20:08<jeyk>if upload_file is a shell script, you could try 'exec'
20:08<jeyk>ok
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20:09<nicolas17>I think I may be able to limit this properly using tc, but it looks pretty complicated to learn how to us
20:09<nicolas17>e
20:11<jeyk>"Furthermore, trickle will not work with statically linked executables, nor with setuid(2) executables."
20:11<jeyk>sounds like it does something very specific like hook the libc socket() via LD_PRELOAD
20:12<nicolas17>yep, it's LD_PRELOAD magic
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20:25<alumno>hola
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20:31<nicolas17>jeyk: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html this guide saved me
20:31<nicolas17>"sudo tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 180kbps"
20:32<jeyk>nicolas17: awesome
20:32<nicolas17>I'm now getting ping latencies of ~10ms instead of ~400ms while my other machine is uploading
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21:02<k-man>how do I run sane-find-scanner as an ordinary user?
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21:03<sney>there may be a sane(d) group or so
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21:28<jepler>hi, I am trying to apt-get source from a non-debian.org repository without a proper gpg signature. How do I stop "Some packages could not be authenticated" from being an error? I understand the risks of downloading software without this authentication, so please don't lecture me.
21:29<sney>iirc, that's a warn, not an error. it should still do it anyway. can you pastebin your whole command and output please (http://paste.debian.net/)
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21:29<jepler>http://paste.debian.net/772283/
21:30<jepler>when installing binary packages it will let you continue (I just did that a few minutes ago too) but apt-get source doesn't offer. man apt.conf didn't turn up any promising configuration options.
21:30<jepler>(it does the same without --print-uris too)
21:31<sney>huh. but it seems --allow-unauthenticated is an option that exists
21:31<jepler>thanks, I overlooked that in the manpage
21:31<sney>don't thank me until it works
21:32<jepler>it did
21:32<sney>groovy
21:32<sney>!next
21:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
21:32<k-man>sney, i had to fiddle with udev rules for some reason, but its working now, thanks for the suggestion
21:34<k-man>so how do i go about automatically scanning multiple pages into a PDF? preferably from the command line
21:36<jepler>I used this once in the past: gscan2pdf - GUI to produce PDFs or DjVus from scanned documents
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21:38<twb>Stupid question: lightproof source version in jessie is 1.5+git20140515-1 --- so how come there are binary packages like "libreoffice-lightproof-en 0.4.3+1.5+git20140515-1" ?
21:38<k-man>what is lightproof?
21:39<k-man>oh, grammar checker
21:39<twb>Some abandoned grammar check thing for libreoffice
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22:08<neox>hi
22:09<junkmechanic>hello neox
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