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---Logopened Fri Jul 01 00:00:37 2016
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00:06<ioan>hi guys, I need some help setting up X11
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00:06<ioan>I created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf added in Option "TearFree" "On", but it doesn't work
00:07<ioan>I get Option "TearFree" not used
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00:12<ioan>wait 1 min should it be Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon" I'm confused
00:13<Chicho>hola
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00:13<Chicho>hola
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00:14<ioan>hi chihchun
00:14<ioan>*Chicho
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00:42<stellyko>Hello all, I am having some cray cray issues with my new fancy laptop. These tend to be related to ACPI but I've got other issues. Here is a paste of the ACPI issues: http://paste.debian.net/772823/
00:42<stellyko>Where should I start?
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01:25<twb>How do I find out why libsqliteodbc wasn't in jessie
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02:08<mrx>hi,good nigth
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03:33<Haled>where does mdadm take its smtp server configurations from?
03:34<grawity>it doesn't *care* about smtp servers
03:34<grawity>it feeds the email to /usr/sbin/sendmail and lets your MTA handle it
03:34<grawity>much like cron
03:35<grawity>so, in the end, it's exim4-config or postfix or msmtp that handles it
03:35<Haled>can ssmtp handle it?
03:36<grawity>yes
03:36<Haled>cool. thanks
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03:59<stevenm_>presumably an installation of debian 8 without any package sets (e.g. standard or ssh, etc... from tasksel) *shouldn't* be giving locale issues with perl?
03:59<stevenm_>it hasn't in the past - but i've installed a base copy of debian 8 twice now and getting the same thing each time
03:59-!-chele_ is now known as chele
03:59<stevenm_>maybe something has changed recently?
04:00<twb>stevenm_: "locales" package avoids that annoying warning
04:00<stevenm_>twb, well that is installed
04:00<stevenm_>https://pastebin.com/raw/akyMHjYB
04:00<stevenm_>that is a fresh install
04:00<twb>Note that Debian OpenSSH server/client accept/send LANG & LC_* variables, so that e.g. if you ssh from a greek desktop to a german server, it will try to use your greek locale, and not find it
04:01<twb>Check "locale -a" output
04:01<stevenm_>yeah but I'm sure that "no such file or directory" isn't normal
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04:01<twb>Yes that error does look different to what I remember
04:01<stevenm_><stevenm_> yeah but I'm sure that "no such file or dir
04:01<stevenm_>https://pastebin.com/raw/11BM8LHE
04:01<twb>Does "locale -a" mention en_GB.UTF-8?
04:01<stevenm_>oops wrong paste lol
04:01<stevenm_>i've pasted it above
04:02<twb>dpkg-reconfigure locales, enable en_GB.UTF-8 as well. Doesn't have to be default, just has to be enabled.
04:02<stevenm_>British / United Kingdom / etc... was chosen during installation
04:02<stevenm_>i'm less interesting in fixing it ... more interested in knowing how it has happened
04:02<twb>You did the install using jessie debian-installer?
04:02<stevenm_>i.e. determine if there is a bug in the installer
04:02<stevenm_>yes
04:02<stevenm_>netinst amd64 iso
04:02<twb>I have not seen that behaviour before, though I mostly use debootstrap these days.
04:03<twb>I think you are right to file a bug against debian-installer (or maybe locales) package
04:03<stevenm_>hmm looks like there is a 8.5 netinst iso now - i was using 8.4
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04:03<stevenm_>will retry using that and see if it happens again
04:04<twb>There are a lot of bugs against locales package, #685957 is the first one that sounds vaguely relevant
04:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/685957 in locales (open, d-i): «locales: dpkg-reconfigure defaults to "None" instead of locale selected in installer»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-08-26; last modified: 2012-08-26.
04:04<stevenm_>that is like 4 years ago though lol
04:05<twb>...and still open :P
04:05<stevenm_>americans always get it the easiest lol
04:05<stevenm_>heck my ubuntu desktop (14.04) *always* resets to en_US everytime I boot up... no rhyme or reason why
04:05<twb>Let me check the release notes for 8.4 to see if it's mentioned
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04:06<twb>stevenm_: try dpkg-reconfigure locales there
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04:06<twb>stevenm_: it is probably in /etc/environment or so
04:06<twb>stevenm_: grep -r en_US /etc/
04:06<stevenm_>twb, oh I've tried everything - believe me, spent hours on it - including that.. i've given up - will got to 16.06 eventually anyway
04:06<stevenm_>*go
04:06<twb>OK fair enough :-)
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04:09<stevenm_>ok so I'm installing debian 8.5 netinst amd64 - well twice, two VM's side by side (i need two :P)
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04:09<stevenm_>language = English
04:09<stevenm_>location = United Kingdom
04:09<stevenm_>keyboard = British English
04:10<stevenm_>now i'll continue with the rest of the install - but that should be it right?
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04:12<twb>I think so
04:12<stevenm_>that's how i've always done it anyway
04:12<stevenm_>i did notice actually an odd extra question when i used the netinst 8.4
04:12<stevenm_>it asked (half way through preparing packages) if I wanted to use UTF-8 or not
04:12<stevenm_>i thought it was very odd
04:13<twb>huh
04:13<stevenm_>i'll see if that question comes up again - i'd never had it before
04:13<stevenm_>only just remembered
04:13<twb>I mostly do priority=low ("expert") installs so that's explicit at the locales step IIRC
04:13<twb>you should always use UTF-8 unless you are really weird
04:13<stevenm_>yeah but the fact the question popped up in the middle of something - a question i'm not normally asked - that was odd
04:14<stevenm_>i'll screenshot it if happens again
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04:15<twb>According to gmane, jessie is up to 8.5 not 8.4
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04:15<twb>On 4 Jun 2016
04:15<stevenm_>yeah i know - i was using 8.4 netinst iso before - now i'm using 8.5
04:15<twb>Oh sorry I misread
04:15<stevenm_>and you know that question hasn't come up now lol
04:15<stevenm_>must be a bug in the 8.4 netinst iso
04:16<twb>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.stable.announce/111
04:16<twb>Don't see anything there
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04:17<stevenm_>yeah I can confirm the weird perl locale messages have gone
04:17<stevenm_>dunno - sorted anyway
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04:17<twb>You finished that install amazingly quick
04:18<stevenm_>two at once too :P
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04:18<stevenm_>just doing it in vmware workstation - since it's only debian base (no packages selected on install) then it goes very quick
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04:21<twb>Here a fully scripted install over gig eth is about 3min for minimal (but including kernel & init) and 7 min for a full desktop.
04:21<twb>But it takes me at least ten times that long doing debian-installer because I always screw it up
04:22<twb>Or e.g. I give the VM 128MB of RAM so debian-installer *claims* to have succeeded, but actually it OOMed halfway through. So you sit through the build and then boot it up and nothing happens :/
04:22<a-l-e>hey, I'm trying to connect to a specific wifi with /etc/network/interfaces and I get an error "IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): WLP58S0 link is not ready"
04:22<a-l-e>any idea?
04:23<stevenm_>i've done the debian-installer so much it's like muscle memory with the keystrokes :P
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04:23<stevenm_>yeah I noticed when i tried to give these VM's 128mb it moaned and said it'd run in low-memory mode and had LOTS more questions - i couldn't be bothered so set the memory to 256mb
04:24<stevenm_>i just need two little freeradius-based proxy's - so doesn't need much memory
04:25<a-l-e>... it worked with all other wifi I've tried until now... I fear it's trying to use ipv6 but it should not...
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04:29<twb>a-l-e: ip link set up?
04:30<a-l-e>ten ... what do you mean?
04:31<twb>a-l-e: can you pastebin from the host in question?
04:31<a-l-e>ifconfig shows an ipv6 address for the interface
04:32<a-l-e>and no net on that machine :-( ... I'm painfully typing on my phone :-(
04:32<twb>Blergh.
04:33<a-l-e>... I can take pictures...
04:33<twb>Well the first things I would be checking is "ip link", "ip -6 address", "ip -6 route"
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04:33<twb>Something like this is good:
04:33<twb>wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
04:33<twb>...but if it says NO_CARRIER or DOWN you need to deal with that as step #1
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04:34<TaG>hi
04:34<a-l-e>no-carrier, broadcast, multicast, up
04:35<nikitis>I need assistance with mdadm moving a raid 0 array to a new machine, that already has an existing raid 0. I do not want to combine the two arrays, but how can I assemble the moved array without messing up the existing array already present?
04:35<twb>no_carrier for a wired link would mean the cable was unplugged
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04:35<twb>Not sure about wifi or ipv6
04:35<twb>Check "rfkill list" also
04:35<twb>Might need sudo in front
04:35<a-l-e>no rfkill. installed
04:36<nikitis>i want to preserve data on the moved array
04:36<twb>nikitis: for RAID1 what I did was put all disks in the same machine, then add the new nodes, then remove the old ones
04:36<twb>nikitis: but IIRC I then had problems convincing LVM or GRUB that the new nodes were OK...
04:36<nikitis>twb, i'm dong raid 0, but i want two raid 0's
04:37<nikitis>one raid 0 is already configured in mdadm and working
04:37<twb>nikitis: if you make /dev/mdX on both hosts with the second host as-big or bigger, then I suppose you could copy the entire device in one go
04:37<nikitis>i moved another set of drives into the box which were raid 0 as well on the previous box
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04:37<twb>like mdadm -binternal -l0 -n2 /dev/md99 /dev/sdy /dev/sdz
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04:38<twb>ssh oldhost cat /dev/md0 >/dev/md99
04:39<nikitis>twb, So say on the old machine, it was /dev/md0. I can't use that on the new machine because there's already a /dev/md0. So I want to create a /dev/md1 using two drives that already have data on them.
04:39<twb>nikitis: OK that should just be a matter of calling mdadm --create with appropriate options
04:40<nikitis>will a --create overwrite the data?
04:40<nikitis>or just add a new entry in the mdadm.conf file
04:40<twb>Oh I guess you'd want to add the new array to mdadm.conf as well
04:40<twb>But --create takes specific nodes (disks/partitions) to add to an array
04:41<twb>If you give it unused ones, there will be no problem
04:41<twb>I *think* it will stop you from adding existing/used nodes, which --force overrides.
04:41<twb>Also: I trust you have already been lectured on the dangers of using RAID0?
04:41<nikitis>ye
04:42<nikitis>i have 3 backups on different machines
04:42<nikitis>so not worried,
04:42<nikitis>but it's 6 TB's of data and I don't want to have to recopy the data
04:42<nikitis>I simply want to move the raid 0 from one machine to another.
04:42<nikitis>normally a simple mdadm --assemble --scan would do it
04:42<twb>If you don't want to copy the entire array (e.g. it's only 10% full), the easiest answer is probably to make a completely fresh filesystem, then rsync the files alone.
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04:43<twb>nikitis: --assemble will only work if the local computer already has the array's component disks/partitions
04:43<twb>nikitis: are you transplanting the old array's disks into the new computer?
04:43<nikitis>yes!
04:43*a-l-e keeps on googling...
04:43<twb>Ah, sorry! I did not understand that
04:44<nikitis>except
04:44<nikitis>there's already a raid 0 in the new computer
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04:44<nikitis>but i want to create a 2nd raid 0 in the new computer using the transplant
04:44<twb>That shouldn't matter, you can give it whatever number you want
04:44<twb>the 0 in /dev/md0 is the 0th array, not "a RAID0 array"
04:44<nikitis>i know
04:44<nikitis>i want to create /dev/md1
04:44<nikitis>using the transplanted drives
04:44<nikitis>saving the data
04:44<twb>mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sdz /dev/sdy
04:45<nikitis>got a superblock error on /dev/sdc
04:46<twb>Ah, can you show the exact command and error?
04:46<nikitis>command used: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd
04:46<nikitis>error: mdadm: Cannot assemble mbr metadata on /dev/sdc
04:46<nikitis>mdadm: /dev/sdc has no superblock - assembly aborted
04:47<nikitis>these were using xfs
04:47<twb>OK are you sure it's sdc and not sdc1 ?
04:47<nikitis>sdc1 is the partition
04:47<nikitis>should I use that or block device?
04:47<twb>It depends how the array was originally configured
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04:47<twb>partitions is more popular
04:47<twb>Use blkid to check what's there
04:48<twb>Sorry, I guess I mislead you by assuming whole-disk array
04:48<nikitis>i did both with partition numbers, it said it created /dev/md1 with 2 drives
04:48<twb>Sounds good
04:48<twb>so check /proc/mdstat
04:49<nikitis>i see two raids :)
04:49<nikitis>let me mount
04:49<twb>OK
04:49<twb>As you mentioned, you probably want to put the second array into mdadm.conf, and update-initramfs -ukall
04:50<twb>Otherwise it might not be assembled at boot time
04:50<nikitis>yay data is there
04:50<nikitis>i do want to make it auto mount on boot.
04:50<twb>Also, I don't think it matters, but note the array will continue to use the hostname it was created under
04:50<a-l-e>OK, adding disable_ipv6 to sysctl improves a bit...
04:51<nikitis>i can just add the new uuid of /dev/md1 to fstab, but do I have to do anything else?
04:51<twb>a-l-e: you don't *want* IPv6?
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04:51<twb>nikitis: don't think so. obviously you want noauto in fstab if you're not assembling the array at boot time
04:52<nikitis>twb, I'd like it to assemble at boot and mount
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04:52<a-l-e>now I have a wlp59s0:available with ipv4... and that error is not in dmesg anymore..
04:52<twb>nikitis: I also strongly recommend enabling the write-intent bitmap (-b internal), but I don't think that's useful for RAID0
04:52<a-l-e>but still no connection...
04:52<twb>nikitis: oops, I misread again :-)
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04:52<nikitis>twb, i don't see it in the conf
04:52<twb>nikitis: what does your mdadm.conf say now?
04:53<nikitis>just md0
04:53<twb>I have something like this: http://sprunge.us/ZLeg
04:53<nikitis>/proc/mdstat shows both, and it's mounted, but mdadm.conf only shows the one
04:53<twb>nikitis: I think you want to add md1 to mdadm.conf, regenerate the ramdisk, and edit fstab
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04:54<nikitis>there a command to add to conf
04:54<twb>nikitis: was that a question?
04:55<nikitis>yeah
04:55<nikitis>does mdadm --examine write to conf?
04:55<twb>I don't know if there is a command. mdadm --detail /dev/md1, get the UUID, then write a similar line to what you already have
04:55<twb>You will have level=0 and number=2 I guess
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04:56<twb>mdadm --examine, AFAIK, just prints the metadata of an array node.
04:58<twb>Hmm, the mdadm manpage has an EXAMPLES section which suggests "mdadm --examine --scan --config=mdadm.conf >> mdadm.conf"
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04:58<twb>"This file is very likely to contain unwanted detail, particularly the devices= entries. It should be reviewed and edited before being used as an actual config file."
04:59<nikitis>i just added the line ARRAY /dev/md/1 metadata=1.2 UUID=<theuuid> name=hp:0
04:59<nikitis>i think that's good enough?
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05:04<nikitis>twb, going to reboot and try it. brb
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05:08<temp>Hi, I'm new to Debian and I recently installed Jessie. However, my WiFi doesn't work after it connects through NetworkManager. Trying to ping websites gives me a "unknown host" error and I can't ping DNS addresses like 8.8.8.8. My vendorID:productID is 168c:0032 and it is a atheros ar9485 wifi device which is using ath9k.
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05:08<frazr_>i'd use wpa-supplicant
05:09<frazr_>iwlist wlan0 scan
05:09<frazr_>check if you're able to see the AP's
05:09<frazr_>and set wpa-ssid & wpa-psk in /etc/network/interfaces
05:09<temp>frazr: AP's?
05:09<frazr_>access points
05:10<twb>frazr_: did you install a GUI?
05:10<frazr_>no
05:10<twb>There is/was a problem installing over wifi without GUI, would leave you without wifi
05:10<frazr_>i just use wpa-supplicant
05:11<frazr_>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
05:11<twb>temp: sorry, that question was for you
05:12<temp>twb: yes, I have installed gnome and that came with networkmanager gui
05:13<temp>twb: i can ping the gateway of the router but i can't connect to the internet
05:13<twb>temp: OK please check the output of "ip route".
05:13<temp>i get the following output:
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05:14<temp>default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0 proto static metric 1024
05:15<twb>You do not have a second line like "192.168.1.2/26 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.1" ?
05:15<temp>192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.101
05:15<twb>Heh good
05:15<twb>So that part is not the problem
05:15<twb>Could your router be blocking the traffic?
05:15<temp>i don't see why it would. I have turned on mac filtering but i have whitelisted my laptop.
05:16<twb>Is it just a regular home router? Not a custom OS or anything?
05:16<temp>yes, it's a TP-LINK W8901 with the pre-installed firmware
05:17<twb>OK. Check with "ip link" that the MAC address is what you expected.
05:17<twb>You could also check "traceroute 8.8.8.8" or "mtr 8.8.8.8" to see where the break is occurring
05:18<twb>I cannot think of anything else that would explain your symptoms.
05:18<twb>It sounds to me like the problem is either the router or the ISP, not Debian
05:19<temp>1 debian (169.254.7.15) 2997.839 ms !H 2997.803ms !H 2997.803ms !H
05:19<temp>this is the output of traceroute 8.8.8.8
05:20<temp>the ip 169.254.7.15 is also written in the output of ip route. it says:
05:20<twb>That looks funny
05:20<temp>169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 169.254.7.15
05:20<twb>169.254 is part of the network autoconfig
05:20<twb>Aha, so you also have a wired link? Is it plugged in?
05:21<temp>not right now but i did edit the /etc/networkmanager/networkmanager.conf file and set "false" to "true" to resolve the wired network not managed error
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05:22<twb>I never bother to use more than one interface at once
05:23<twb>I suggest trying to disable eth0 when using wifi, but I'm not sure how to do it via NetworkManager
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05:24<temp>that did it. thanks a lot :)
05:25<twb>NM is supposed to be smart enough to only do that when the cable is plugged in
05:25<twb>Anyway, now you know how to check if it happens again
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05:25<temp>yep, i do. I'll remember it. thanks again!
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06:40<VladimirVolkov>1
06:41<VladimirVolkov>Is debian sutable for desktop usage in "out of box" format?
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06:45<grove>VladimirVolkov: That depends on your needs and what you mean by "out of box".
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09:11<TWiSTEDSO>hi , im missing a hd in the system that i want to add later on , and i want to use this hd as ./home partion , would this cause any problems during a clean install of debian ?
09:12<twb>TWiSTEDSO: I don't think so
09:12<twb>TWiSTEDSO: you can add new filesystems after the initial install
09:13<TWiSTEDSO>sounds good, then i can proceed with the initial setup and fix the home partion later on
09:13<twb>TWiSTEDSO: just leave /home as part of the root filesystem initially, then later plug the disk in and add it to fstab
09:14<TWiSTEDSO>twb: thnks for the help
09:14<twb>If you have space for >1 drive you should consider mdadm (RAID) and LVM
09:14<twb>The first protects you against a hard disk failure, the latter gives you flexibility to repartition and move filesystems around easily
09:14<TWiSTEDSO>ill check on that
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09:15<TWiSTEDSO>any idea whats the minimum storage i need to do a setup of debian ? Got some older ssds laying around
09:17<twb>Do you want a GUI?
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09:18<TWiSTEDSO>na going to use it as a fileserver so not needed
09:18<twb>The installation guide should give you minimum requirements, but I would guess something like 2-4GB for a GUI OS partition, or 512MB for a text-only system. You can make it smaller, but it takes some practice.
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09:19<TWiSTEDSO>just thought if i should use some usb mem stick ..
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09:19<TWiSTEDSO>any experience from that ?
09:19<twb>I don't recommend that for a regular install
09:19<twb>Things like /var/log will cause writes to the USB key and it will wear out quickly and break
09:20<jane_doe>Really, those things can wear out?
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09:20<twb>jane_doe: I have killed several 2GB-ish USB keys that way
09:20<twb>after they ran for a couple of years with a mostly-stock debian install
09:21<jane_doe>Interesting...
09:21<TWiSTEDSO>ill see what it ends up with got some intel 80 gb ssds to test it with
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09:21<twb>It would depend heavily on how sensible the FTL was, and how much nvram was hidden for the FTL to use for levelling
09:22<twb>They're fine for a mostly-read load like Debian Live though
09:22<twb>TWiSTEDSO: yeah SSDs are fine
09:23<twb>Doing an absolute minimal bootable Debian Live environment with jessie is about this big: http://sprunge.us/YIFi
09:24<TWiSTEDSO>twb: thnks
09:24<twb>Without squashfsing, you'd need at least 284MiB, and that's after you delete all the manpages and stuff
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09:25<twb>So yeah, for a regular server install I would say 512MiB is the bare minimum and 2GiB is plenty.
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09:26<TWiSTEDSO>will start to install the iso to a usbstick and check the setup l8er on and see
09:26<twb>Oh also note that doing the install to a regular disk, then DDing it to the USB key, will be *MUCH* faster
09:27<twb>Because of the way dpkg runs to avoid data loss, it is very hard on slow disks
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10:08<marcushh777>good morning all
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10:12<pupi>wa
10:15<TWiSTEDSO>is it possible to connect from a windows machine via gui to a debian desktop ? not ssh
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10:18<twb>TWiSTEDSO: there's VNC and RDP
10:19<twb>Or you can put an X or NX server on your windows machine, and view apps natively, kinda like citrix
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10:20<TWiSTEDSO>twb: u mean ms windows own rdp ?
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10:21<twb>!rdp
10:21<dpkg>The proprietary Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) is used to connect to systems running Microsoft Remote Desktop Services (formerly Terminal Services), providing features similar to <VNC>. RDP clients packaged for Debian include <freerdp>, <rdesktop>, <remmina> and <tsclient>. For a RDP server, ask me about <xrdp>.
10:21<twb>^ that
10:22<twb>But it's not very good
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10:22<TWiSTEDSO>did find xrdp
10:22<duclicsic>for a quick and easy option i'd suggest installing the package "x11vnc" on the debian box, you can just start it on demand from a terminal via ssh, then use your preferred vnc client to connec
10:22<TWiSTEDSO>will test it
10:23<duclicsic>it will then close down when you disconnect
10:23<TWiSTEDSO>okie , ill check that one too
10:23<tanpi>do you anybody know if debian jessie can use systemd PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames?
10:23<duclicsic>i use it in preference to running a permanent vnc service
10:23<tanpi>https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
10:24<duclicsic>but read the manual before use, by default it will start up without any password configured
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10:25<twb>tanpi: systemd networkd was brand in in jessie
10:25<twb>tanpi: IIRC it kinda-sorta works if you opt into it?
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10:28<ansgar>I thought Jessie already uses the new naming scheme by default? But you will keep the old names on upgrade.
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10:31<tanpi>ansgar: I think no. I installed a brand new one yeaterday and yet see eth0, eth1, eth2...
10:31<twb>ansgar: I thought that only happened in stretch, but I am probably wrong
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10:34<tanpi>I have one pci express network controller with two nics. One of the nics get the name eth1 and the another one get eth5 :D
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10:34<twb>I know in jessie you can definitely hard-code custom names like before
10:35<twb>like "western-quad" instead of "en3p1"
10:36<ansgar>Hmm, yesm, looks like the default only changed for Stretch.
10:36<twb>I win!
10:36<ansgar>tanpi: You can change the names in /etc/udev/rules.d/${something-with-persistend-network}. Just don't use ethX or it will be less fun in Stretch.
10:36<twb>Time to go vote some racists out of my senate
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10:37<tanpi>some old debian versions I remember that sometimes if I reboot the server the eth1 name could change to eth3, kind a bug.
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10:38<tanpi>but i haven't seen that problem in the lasts debian releases squeeze, jessie...
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10:52<mdx0>Hi, I have installed debian 6.5 on a netbook. but now I can't use the keybord and touchpad and I don't know wich ehternet card is inside? Do somebody can help? It's a ideapad100s.
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10:54<lostatwork>mdx0: I really hope you meant debian 8.5
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10:54<mdx0>YO! sorry meant 8.5
10:56<mdx0>the problem is that I can't help by my self......the solution is complicated and I have (still) not enough knowledge
10:57<mdx0>I have an USB keybord on that netbook
10:58<pipedream>lspci|grep etw
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11:04<mdx0>somebody have time and can help?
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11:05<mdx0>what steps I can do for finding the problems solution?
11:06<mdx0>outch
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11:12<TWiSTEDSO>at startup there is some kind of error due to a i think gfx card issue , anyone know where i can find out what error that is ? ./var/log/messages ?
11:12<duclicsic>mdx0: searching for: debian ideapad 100s, I see others have had similar issues with the keyboard and pad, but their solution was to use a much newer kernel by the looks of it.
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11:15<mdx0>I need to configure the network too
11:16<duclicsic>mdx0: one step at a time
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11:16<duclicsic>mdx0: if you have problems with network adaptors it might be worth installing an image that includes the various non-free firmware packages
11:16<duclicsic>there are unofficial debian installer images that include these
11:17<duclicsic>while you're at it, it may be worth trying testing or unstable in case the packaged kernel has the support you're currently lacking.
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11:17<duclicsic>but honestly the best option is to look at search results for people who have tried to run debian on the same system
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11:18<mdx0>okay thanks
11:18<duclicsic>i would run through some checks we can do, but I'm about to head home for the day
11:18<mdx0>yes
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11:19<mdx0>I have debian 8.5 installed
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11:20<mdx0>with LXDE
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11:20<Mirage>Hi all
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11:23<mdx0>duclicsic, if you like you can give my some commands wich I can try?
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11:26<mdx0>can help the dmesg?
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11:29<mdx0>duclicsic, I haven't select a ethernet card because I didn't know wich is in
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11:31<mdx0>journalctl gives some informations
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11:32<jhutchins>mdx0: lspci should show the network card, which should have been detected at boot. lspci -nn will give you the hex ID of the card, which is sometimes easier to search.
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11:33<mdx0>jhutchins, thanks
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11:34<jhutchins>mdx0: dmesg | less will let you review the boot process and maybe see why the keyboard isn't recognized.
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11:44<mdx0>there was a message at booting: can't evaluate_CRS: 1 and two others
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12:23<marcushh777>hi all
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12:29<q36bue>Can I combine all debian install dvd iamges for a 16GB usb stick?
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12:47<jhutchins>q36bue: Last I looked there were more than 4 images. You really don't need them all, 99% of the time you only need the first one (or a netinstall image).
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12:54<juri_>ok, which brain donor thought systemd relying on a library in /usr/lib was a good idea? (libcap-ng)
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12:57<jhutchins>juri_: Probably somebody at RedHat/Fedora - they've done most of the work developing it.
12:58<themill>juri_: which release of debian?
12:59<juri_>unstable, on armhf.
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13:00<themill>It doesn't in stable -- you might like to ask in #debian-next. Also since /usr is supposed to be mounted by the end of initramfs, that shouldn't be an issue
13:00<themill>I also can't see a direct usage of that library by systemd in sid either
13:01<q36bue>jhutchins: thx, will try first dvd only. Can't use netinstall because offline install.
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13:02<themill>the dependency of libaudit on libcap-ng is a known and documented bug too...
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13:02<juri_>i just did my first dist-upgrade in about 2 months, and failed to reboot. copying that library into /lib fixed it.
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13:04*themill likes to think users of unstable use apt-listbugs and the bts
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13:29<marcushh777>hi all: I'm have discovered a bug in tightvncserver (arm64) on debian; how do I report it properly?
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13:29<jhutchins>!bugreport
13:29<jhutchins>srsly?
13:30<blast007>!reportbug
13:30<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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13:30<marcushh777>I have not reported bugs... <seriously, sorry> ...feeling kinda dumb
13:30<marcushh777>i normally just fix stuff myself... but I don't have time for this, and its serious
13:30<jhutchins>marcushh777: Do you have a workaround or fix?
13:31<marcushh777>no workaround
13:31<jhutchins>marcushh777: Has someone already reported it?
13:31<marcushh777>I can't even determined that anyone else has seen it !
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13:31<marcushh777>let alone report it
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13:32<marcushh777>I will get reportbug... thanks everyone (good day to y'all)
13:32<marcushh777>:)
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14:08<marcushh777>Is it true that there are 781 users connected to this server, this channel?
14:09<MeowZeDong>* Current global users: 10677
14:09<marcushh777>oh ... where does that display?
14:10<marcushh777>server status someplace I suppose?
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14:14<MeowZeDong>marcushh777, you can check main window to see MOTD and that.
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14:15<Jaleks>i a have a process running ('ls' on broken partition), which does not react to 'kill -9' – any options for me to get it ended without restarting the box?
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14:19<jhutchins>marques: /names will display nics in the channel, often with a count.
14:19<jhutchins>Jaleks: Nope.
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14:22<fl4sh>Hello, quick question: What's the recommended location for system-wide custom systemd unit files? I.e. a unit, that is not installed by a package but yet is a service that should start on system boot?
14:23<eightyeight>locally administered are placed in /etc/systemd/system/
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14:24<eightyeight>installed package units are placed in /lib/systemd/system/
14:24<marcushh777>thanks
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14:25<fl4sh>kk, ty. As there was some stuff in /etc/systemd/system I thought it is reserved for package use as well. But if what you said is the case... thank you and excuse my dumbness please :D
14:26<eightyeight>fl4sh: see also https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
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15:00<user>hello
15:01-!-user is now known as Guest1588
15:01<Guest1588>Hello
15:01<Guest1588>Anyone there? (_(
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15:03<jhutchins>Guest1514: We're all asleep, ask your question and see if anybody wakes up.
15:04*jhutchins hits the snooze button again.
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15:20<valentin>hello! I've just installed debian 8.5 on a very old Dell Latitude D420 laptop and now I need to install a *.p7b certificate; any one can help with this?
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15:23<bill-auger>valentin: i dont know what a p7b is but - why would the age of the laptop change anything?
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15:25<bill-auger>regardless of the age of the computer or whether it is running debian or not - i think the procedure would be the same - have you tried searching the web for some tutorial?
15:25<valentin>bill: I'm sure it's not changing anything, I just mention it for no reason, actually...
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15:26<bill-auger>aw shucks dont be shy - you mentioned cause yer proud of youself - and well you should be
15:27<Texou>hi
15:27<bill-auger>but a better question would be "does anyone besides me know what a p7b certificate is and how to install one"
15:27<Texou>I've just installed Nvidia driver on Jessie, and now my X doesn't start.
15:27<Texou>I get in Xorg.0.log: ge impossible serveur X - Support Debian - debian-fr.org rapiet: J'ai relancer la config du serveur avec les commandes X -config, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg et nvidia-xsetting mais rien n'y fait. Salut. Pour régénérer un xorg.conf conforme à la config, c'est la commande nvidia-xconfig qu'il faut lancer.
15:27<Texou>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~piratebab 2016-02-21 16:55:03 UTC #5 j'essaierai sans xorg.conf. Ce fichier est complètement inutile depuis plusieurs années ... Maintenant il faut travailler avec xorg.conf.d pour les matériels qui sont mal reconnus par la couche
15:28<Texou>HAL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~rapiet 2016-02-21 16:55:04 UTC #6 Merci les gars, il me semble que j'ai aussi essayer sans fichier xorg.conf. Je test sans fichier ce soir et récupère plus d'infos pour vous les fournir. Bonne après midi à tous
15:28<Texou>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~Mimoza 2016-02-21 16:55:15 UTC #7 N'oublie pas de nous fournir ta solution, ça peut toujours servir à quelqu'un d'autre.
15:28<Texou>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~rapiet 2016-02-21 16:57:24 UTC #8 Bonjour tout le monde, je reviens avec plus d'infos en espérant que mon soucis parle à quelqu'un. Ma version du système : Linux debian 3.8-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.8.12-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux Jessie/Sid
15:28<blast007>!paste
15:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
15:28<Texou>Mon fichier xorg.conf actuel généré par nvidia-xconfig
15:28<Texou>oops
15:28<Texou>(EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
15:28<bill-auger>well ty tex for flooding up that was swell
15:28<Texou>(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nv
15:28<Texou>what's happen?
15:28<blast007>also, this is an English channel, so logs in French may not be too helpful
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15:29<bill-auger>is it #debian-fr ?
15:29<blast007>are you using the proprietary nVidia drivers?
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15:30<blast007>assuming that what you mean by "I've just installed Nvidia driver". If so, I'd recommend reading through this page: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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15:30<blast007>also make sure you're using the Debian provided packages, not the driver from nVidia directly
15:31<Texou>blast007: yes I use Debian package and proprietary one. I read your url, thx :)
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15:40<Texou>thanks it works
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15:40<Texou>nvidia-xconfig was the missing step
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16:00<Texou>blast007: does it make sense to update nvidia driver for a graphical card if some game says "graphical ca!d not supported" ?
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16:01<blast007>update to a newer version that debian provides as a package? not if that newer version doesn't support your card
16:02<Texou>hmmm
16:02<blast007>what nVidia card do you have?
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16:03<blast007>to check what card you have, run: lspci -nn | grep VGA
16:03<Texou>blast007: GeForce 8500
16:03<Texou>according to lshw
16:04<Texou>ah
16:04<Texou>blast007: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8500 GT] [10de:0421] (rev a1)
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16:06<blast007>sounds like the 340.65 drivers are your only option for that card
16:06<Texou>blast007: so Jessie or jessie-backports?
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16:07<blast007>340.65 are the ones in the normal jessie repository
16:07<bluca>nvidia-legacy-340xx from jessie-backports is your best option
16:07<bluca>nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
16:07<blast007>oh there's one from backports too?
16:07<bluca>yes, it's at upstream 340.96
16:07<Texou>ok I'll try then :)
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16:09<bluca>that's the last release of the 340 branch
16:09<bluca>it's still supported by nvidia, they'll probably update it next time Xorg ABI is bumped
16:10<Texou>I try jessie-backports
16:10<Texou>but I keep Jessie kernel
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16:13<bluca>yes that is ok
16:15<blast007>the version in jessie proper is also 340.96, so I'm not sure how much different it'll be. not a whole lot in the Debian changelog for it. Big thing seems to be support for Linux kernel 4.6.
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16:16<bluca>lots of packaging changes, and most importantly the legacy-340xx branch will stay at that version, which is important for Texou's card
16:16<bluca>nvidia-driver in debian 9 will move on and won't support it anymore
16:17<bluca>so it's less headaches in the future
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16:33<jhutchins>blast007: What's happened in the past is xorg has usually split off the more ancient cards into a -legacy driver and done minimal maintenance.
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16:51<marcushh777>hi everyone
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16:55<jhutchins>marcushh777: Ever get you VNC working?
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17:57<marcushh777>jhutchins: no, unfortunately not. I have checked everything... it should work, but it doesn't (not on debian arm64).
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17:57<marcushh777>jhutchins: thanks for asking, though
17:58<marcushh777>alll of my tightvncservers work except this one... and all of my clients. macs, PIs, and gnu+linux.
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17:58<marcushh777>I'm really stump-ed on this one.
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18:00<marcushh777>jhutchins: I'm planning to use reportbug either later tonight, or in the morning.... still thinking 'bout it
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18:58<tarzan>I was trying to install debian jessie from bootable CD on a hard drive that already had Ubuntu on there. I starting going through the setup process and told it to resize current partition to 1/2 its size (so i can create new one)
18:59<tarzan>It is not sitting 2 hours on "Resizing partition..." at 50%
18:59<tarzan>The hard drive is 1 terabyte. Should it take this long?
18:59<tarzan>"It is not sitting" -> "It is NOW sitting"
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19:01<sewi2go>Guys, I have some write errors is it critical or recoverable?
19:02<sewi2go>only a few really but I sure rather have none
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19:27<jhutchins>sewi2go: If you're seeing them it's not good. Do you have smartmontools installed?
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19:28<sewi2go>jhutchins: yes, smart says it's all ok. I suppose it will try again with success and could be that smart is only covering read erorrs
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19:32<jhutchins>sewi2go: Smart is pretty accurate. What kind of hardware and what actual errors and where are you seeing them.
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20:07<muka> I have a touch screen tablet (lenovo x60t). I have to click the screen (sometimes works and sometimes not) while computer boots for the kernel to detect it. Is there a way to fix it?
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20:29<mais>hello, I am trying to boot an image and I get the following: Attached scsi generic sd2 type 0
20:30<mais>[sdc] Attached SCSI removeble disk
20:30<mais>and the curson is blinking
20:30<mais>when I hit return I get this: (initramfs) _
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20:31<mais>and is waiting input from me. Whats the case?
20:32<mais>random: nonblocking pool is initialized
20:36<musca>mais: which image do you use?
20:36<musca>what kind of hardware is it?
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20:37<mais>a custom I made. It a standard live with just 1 paramter (--bootappend-live persistence), all other paramaters are the same as the defaults
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20:39<mais>I can execute login command
20:39<musca>custom of what?
20:39<mais>but when I give the default credentials, username: user and pass: live, it says Login incorrect.
20:40<mais>it is a debian standard image
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20:46<musca>mais: which image do you use?
20:46<musca>what kind of hardware is it?
20:47<mais>i used live-build to generate an image, using the debian stable packages
20:47<musca>haha "standard"
20:48<mais>using lb config I generated the default configuration for the image
20:48<mais>standard is a version of debian
20:48<mais>without DE
20:48<mais>...
20:49<mais>initramfs
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20:49<mais>cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.5.0-i386-standard.iso
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20:51<mais>its something like this
20:51<mais>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/120198/how-to-fix-boot-into-initramfs-prompt-and-mount-cant-read-etc-fstab-no-su
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20:54<anonymous>hey
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21:18<kingsley>How to you install the Ethereum wallet called "Mist"?
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21:30<kingsley>I wonder if the instructions at ...
21:30<kingsley>https://gist.github.com/drandreaskrueger/912e704cfc86fd757277a5fd9bd372d4
21:31<kingsley>are the latest and greatest.
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22:08<suchmystery>hey; i've been having some strange issues with some 3d games on my powerpc debian stretch install (xfce4 is my de) for my powerbook g4. for example: in oolite (3d space flight game), static comes out of speakers instead of sound, and planets don't have any textures, just odd patterns. extremetuxracer did the same static thing, but it just crashes when i try to start a game (i've uninstalled it, however.) my powerbook has a
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22:17<awal1>suchmystery, no clue about games but enabling compositing in xfce settings may be helpful; also check pavucontrol if you run pulseaudio sound server
22:17<awal1>may be related ^
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22:20<suchmystery>awal1, compositing is already on, however, and i don't have pulseaudio. thanks for the response though
22:22<jmcnaught>suchmystery: your first message was truncated after "my powerbook has a" for me
22:22<awal1>right
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22:26<suchmystery>oh. is there a special powerpc support channel or something? sorry
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22:28<jmcnaught>suchmystery: there is #debianppc on irc.oftc.net. what i meant above is that some of your message was cut off by the server so we were missing some of the details you had typed in
22:28<suchmystery>oh, heh. want me to copy+paste it back in jmcnaught?
22:29<sney>if you paste it again it'll get cut off again
22:29<sney>line length has a limit
22:29<suchmystery>just the part that was cut off
22:29<sney>what does your powrbook have? I assume that was going to be the gpu?
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22:29<suchmystery>yeah
22:29<suchmystery>"my powerbook has a 1.5ghz G4, and it's GPU is an ati9600 (3d acceleration working with patched mesa debs). i've tried to google the answer, but i haven't found anything online about the subject. thanks in advance."
22:29<suchmystery>that is what was probably cut off
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22:30<sney>ati 9600 should be supported just fine with radeon + firmware-linux-nonfree
22:30<sney>it's well within the supported models for that driver
22:30<sney>what's with the patched mesa?
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22:34<suchmystery>sney, there's some issue with the r300 and default depth which is fixed by installing some patched and downgraded deb files
22:34<suchmystery>so 3d acceleration can work
22:34<suchmystery>because before installing the patched deb files, there wasn't any 3d acceleration at all
22:34<sney>ah.
22:34<suchmystery>yeah
22:35<sney>well, the graphical issues you described are opengl stuff. so it seems like your patched mesa driver is only partway functional
22:35<suchmystery>hm. what about the sound issues, could that be caused by the mesa driver as well?
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22:36<sney>I can't remember if mesa handles openal as well. it's possible
22:38<suchmystery>huh. i'll see if i can find some other way to fix the issue without using the patched debs then.
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