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---Logopened Thu Jul 07 00:00:39 2016
---Daychanged Thu Jul 07 2016
00:00<vortek>sney do i have to make my own kernel to use grsec?
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00:02<sney>,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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00:02<judd>Package: linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606292300+1
00:02<sney>vortek: ^ it is in apt. like I said, it is *packaged*
00:02<marcushh777>awal1: I know only what I read tonight... unfortunately...
00:02<vortek>ahh
00:03<vortek>thanxs man
00:03<marcushh777>awal1: could be a bug in xfce too
00:03<awal1>markushh777, maybe yeah :)
00:03<marcushh777>awal1: its lite, but not too sophisticated
00:03<awal1>yes
00:03<marcushh777>i use it alot too, though
00:03<marcushh777>I use mate more
00:04<marcushh777>have you tried xmobar with mate
00:04<marcushh777>?
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00:04<awal1>no
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00:04<marcushh777>I think you might like mate... and it will probably work there
00:04<marcushh777>I'm guessing of course
00:04<awal1>I have mate yet. i prefer xfce ::P
00:05<marcushh777>yeah
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00:50<skraito><RabbitKing> hi
00:50<skraito>* Jucato has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
00:50<skraito><RabbitKing> want tutorial phyton lover
00:50<skraito><RabbitKing> come to ##xWindow
00:50<skraito><eevee> stealth_: it is much more confusing. if i see "say_hi" and i want to know what it is, i can just look at the top of the file to see where it's imported from
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03:33<andreas>hi
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03:34<andreas>ok
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03:34<marcushh777>hi andreas
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04:50<veggi3s0>hi. i moved my laptop's sata ssd drive to a new desktop, and now my networking doesn't work, is there a way to fix this without a reinstall?
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04:50<veggi3s0>i mean the os loads fine and all, except i guess some issues like thi because of the new motherboard
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04:51<marcushh777>veggi3s0: the mac address changed...
04:52<marcushh777>just reconfigure you networking... not too bad
04:52<marcushh777>way easier than a reload...
04:52<veggi3s0>how do i do that?
04:52<veggi3s0>ius there a command you could tell me
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04:59<veggi3s0>marcushh777, i figured itout
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05:01<Anarka>4you still havea eth0 ?
05:02<veggi3s0>i deleted it and renamed eth1 to eth0, and then i changed the wwlan adapter in the wicid or whatever app that poped up when i clicked the icon in the lower right
05:02<Anarka>maybe it has been renamed to something else, remove the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and restart
05:02<veggi3s0>and i changed wwlan to eth0
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06:28<anonymous>hi
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06:29<anonymous>hi
06:29<anonymous>no one
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07:23<buffered>why is Intel 4400 graphics so sluggish with i5-4th gen laptop from Dell 3542 laptop?
07:23<buffered>Is it not supported?
07:23<buffered>or what is the real issue?
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07:31<Anarka>intel usually have good support, check that you are using intel driver and not something else...
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08:19<petn-randall>buffered: Sluggish in what sense? Your desktop should be snappy, but you probably will get low frame rates with any opengl games that are above basic demands.
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08:40<Dtehen>I have two external arrays which is set to boot up with pass priority 2 meaning that they show up in mounts after a while as they are quite big. This works perfectly fine, until my binds come in. I have set them up like /dev/sdb1 /srv/chroot/stretch/array1 auto bind 0 0 for both. The issue is after omitting these bind in /etc/fstab I cannot reach port 22 anymore on my external server (sadly not something I can access directly)
08:41<Dtehen>If I bind manually after it has booted it will work flawlessly, which leads me to believe maybe I should just adjust check to priority 0 and it will be solved? Although it might not be adviceable to do.
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08:42<Dtehen>the main issue here is that if I use priority 0 for everything it will take quite some time to boot, but I guess that's surviveable if that's the only safest option.
08:42<Dtehen>or setup a script to look for the mounts and then bind them accordingly, or I'm just overthinking things
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08:44<Dtehen>sorry, I meant to say 1 in the message about taking more time to boot.
08:45<petn-randall>Dtehen: How are you passing a priority?
08:45<Dtehen>dump/pass in /etc/fstab?
08:45<Dtehen>i.e they are set to 0 2
08:45<Dtehen>and I can't reach over shell
08:47<Dtehen>if I remove the bind to chroot the shell server accepts connections
08:47<Dtehen>WHich leads me to believe there is an error here which makes sure it doesn't boot because it tries to mount the directory before the check has passed
08:47<petn-randall>Dtehen: That priority is only relevant for fsck to know in which order to check those filesystems if needed. It does not control when and in which order mounts go up.
08:48<Dtehen>Yeah, that is true. But let us say the filesystems needs checking because I have to do a hard-stop on the server in order to manually edit the files by going in recovery (which I am doing now) effetively triggering fsck anyway
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08:48<petn-randall>Dtehen: IIRC the mounts in /etc/fstab are done strictly sequential, unless there are special options set like _netdev.
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08:49<petn-randall>Dtehen: Then the check will run through, the filesystem will be mounted, and then the next line will be processed. At least that was the case in sysv init days. I think with systemd there are units generated out of /etc/fstab, which follow other rules.
08:50<Dtehen>It's just the odd part abou this is when I add in my two chroot mounts it won't let me connect over ssh
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08:50<Dtehen>so something must go wrong
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08:52<Dtehen>Let us say there is an error in my setup, could a line which doesn't add up make sure to stop the whole boot process
08:52<petn-randall>Dtehen: Which release are you running?
08:52<Dtehen>Jessie
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08:54<Dtehen>The main issue is if I leaave my bind mounts to chroot in fstab it won't boot, if I do them afterwards manually it boots and everything works.
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08:54<Anarka>have you tried using automount from systemd, so that they are mount when acced the first time
08:54<petn-randall>Dtehen: I understood that part.
08:55<Dtehen>I haven
08:55<Dtehen>'t really migrated to systemd yet, and keep using what I laready know
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08:56<Anarka>in options add noauto,x-systemd.automount should be enough
08:57<Dtehen>THe problem isn't that they don't mount though, how would this make a difference?
08:59<Dtehen>All I can see wrong with /dev/sdb1 /srv/chroot/stretch/array1 auto bind 0 0 is that it could attempt to do this while fsck is running on the drive. ANd that auto can be changed to rw,relatime?
09:00<Dtehen>Sorry, changed to none.
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09:02<Dtehen>I had the idea that /etc/fstab would process the mounts from start to bottom first, but as you said it's irrelevant.
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09:06<petn-randall>Dtehen: Can you paste your complete /etc/fstab to http://paste.debian.net and show us?
09:06<Dtehen>Anarka: seems like I wrote nofail instead of noauto in here. Quite the
09:07<Dtehen>Not sure what to say about this mistake
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09:12<Dtehen>petn-randall: I made some changes to it so it's not the same as the original http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5422943e/
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09:14<petn-randall>Dtehen: Which line is the problematic one?
09:14<Dtehen>Might have to add in the x-systemd.automount unit with noauto Anarka?
09:14<Dtehen>The two last ones
09:14<Dtehen>If I leave those in I cannot access the shell server
09:15<Dtehen>But if I do the mount --bind afterwards its all good
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09:15<petn-randall>Dtehen: That's not a bind mount you're doing there. Your bind mount should be "/array /srv/chroot/stretch/array auto bind 0 0".
09:15<Anarka>noauto,x-systemd.automount
09:16<Dtehen>I did that too, and it didn't work
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09:16<petn-randall>Dtehen: I'm guessing it's throwing an error when you try to bind mount /dev/sda1 to /srv/chroot/stretch/array.
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09:16<Dtehen>in fact it was what I did first
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09:16<Dtehen>BUt then I saw it use /dev/sda1 directly in cat /proc/mnt
09:17<Dtehen>probably irrelevant
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09:20<petn-randall>Dtehen: That's wrong though, I'd change it back.
09:20<petn-randall>Dtehen: The way it is right now is 100% wrong.
09:20<Dtehen>I am changing it back, then I'll attempt another boot.
09:20<Dtehen>Thanks for the heads up I have no idea what I was thinking, but I was just trying to solve it since it looked right to me.
09:20<petn-randall>Dtehen: Do you have access to a KVM? Or at least a live system to boot from?
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09:20<petn-randall>Dtehen: If yes, I'd know a few ways how to test it.
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09:21<Dtehen>I have access to a live Debian but its just a live one which can access the root filesystem so I can make changes to fstab
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09:23<petn-randall>Dtehen: You can "live" boot the system with kvm -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb -curses", but make 100% sure that sda and sdb are not in use on the live system.
09:23<petn-randall>"kvm -hda /dev/sda -hdb /dev/sdb -curses"
09:23<petn-randall>If your machine supports hardware virtualization, that is (which I assume).
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09:26<Dtehen>Using those two options my system somehow booted Anarka
09:26<Dtehen>Maybe the issue what with fsck?
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09:28<Dtehen>this is weird the only thing I could see changed is that I used these options
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09:29<Anarka>life of mistery :)
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09:30<Dtehen>with that said the /dev , /dev/pts and /proc bind is sufficient for chroot?
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09:33<Dtehen>I was thinking /sys
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09:36<Dtehen>Thanks a lot for the help though
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09:45<Dtehen>I don't even know why I specify relatime when it's included in defaults, I guess for the sake of being sure it's used.
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11:47<kw0n>Hi, new here, hopefully you can help and don't bite.
11:47<kw0n>Problem: not enough loop-Devices
11:47<kw0n>what I need to do: format up to 74 HDDs, LUKS encrypted
11:47<kw0n>what I tried so far:
11:47<kw0n>1. editing /etc/modules -> line "loop max_loop=64" added
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11:52<kw0n>Hi, new here, hopefully you can help and don't bite. Problem: not enough loop-Devices; what I need to do: format up to 74 HDDs, LUKS encrypted; what I tried so far: 1. editing /etc/modules -> line "loop max_loop=64" added; no change, of course after restart; 2. editing grub instead no success since the solutions I found online seemed to be for other Debian versions and my grub did not have the files mentioned; 3. searched for a days o
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11:56<Maulkin>kw0n: So... what version of Debian are you running?
11:56<kw0n>Debian Jessie 64 Bit
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11:57<kw0n>3.14.1
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11:57<Maulkin>kw0n: Well, you should probably use a newer kernel as Jessie's latest is 3.16, but that's probably by-the-by
11:57<kw0n>sorry, gnome 3.14.1 if that helps
11:57<Maulkin>kw0n: ok. So, you need to add "
11:57<Maulkin>options loop max_loop=64
11:57<Maulkin>" to /etc/modules
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11:58<koollman>kw0n: that's a lot of hdd. anyway, how do you format them ? cryptsetup luksFormat ?
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11:58<kw0n>so "options loop max_loop=64" instead of "loop max_loop=64"
11:59<kw0n>Yes, Luks, mounted automatically at boot
11:59<koollman>kw0n: I'm not sure where you would require the loop device actually
11:59<kw0n>long term ZFS, but not familiar enough yet
11:59<koollman>using losetup at some point before ?
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12:00<kw0n>kollman: not much experience there yet, hence I'm here. :)
12:00<koollman>I have 4 hdd with one partition each formatted with cryptsetup. I do not even have the loop module loaded
12:01<kw0n>kollman: I used the Gnome Disk utility, not cli since not familiar enough yet. It seems it creates Loopdevices for each encrypted HDD
12:02<koollman>oh. yeah, that might be a problem. And ... I'd like to know, why do you need 74 of them ? :)
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12:05<kw0n>:) right now its 38, the Server is at the same time used as cloud for friends, data of our customers (30-40 PCs to Backup per day) and backups.
12:06<koollman>hm. and you're new to this and manage it graphically
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12:08<kw0n>:) i know... well, its the redundant, my boss is managing the main one and giving me a challange but refuses to help
12:09<koollman>this I can understand a bit
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12:10<koollman>anyway for your initial problem, 64 is lower than 74, so ... still not enough :)
12:10<kw0n>Maulkin: I tried the edit and rebootet, still don't work, the Diskutility just closes
12:11<koollman>I do not think your boss expects you to do it with the gnome graphical tool, too.
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12:12<koollman>here are a few useful concepts : you can format with something like: cryptsetup -v --cipher aes-xts-plain64 --key-size 512 --hash sha512 luksFormat /dev/sdyourdiskhere
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12:12<kw0n>kollman: yes, but right now I'm only working with 15 HDDs in the server and cannot format more then 10
12:12<koollman>you can 'open' (make available) this formatted disk with something like : cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdyourdiskhere someusefulnameforit
12:14<koollman>and you can make a loop in shell with for example: for disk in p q r s ; do echo /dev/sd$disk ; done
12:14<koollman>this should be enough for you to start doing things the right way (or at least in a less wrong way :) ) and may please your bosse :)
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12:14<koollman>-e
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12:15<kw0n>ok, thanks, I do not want to take too much of your time, I just don't know how to start research, I did read through debian books and of course researched online, your suggestions are very helpful and give me more to read on. If you have any suggestions on books / links on LUKS and how to use it on cli I'm very grateful
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12:28<jhutchins>koollman: We have servers that have something like 5800 sd devices.
12:29<jhutchins>koollman: Takes a while for them to boot.
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12:30<koollman>jhutchins: I imagine so :)
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12:30<marcushh777>hi all
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12:30<koollman>jhutchins: how do you get that ? sas/sata extenders ? esata ? some kind of san ?
12:30<koollman>(why, also, would be nice to know :) )
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12:31<jhutchins>koollman: Yeah, fiberchannel san.
12:31<jhutchins>koollman: Very large Oracle databases.
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12:44<buffered>Can anyone help me upgrade Mesa and Intel graphics drivers from Backports of Debian Jessie?
12:44<buffered>I need Mesa 11.xxx
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14:54<diego_>hello, I would like to ask where I can find debugging symbols for wine dlls in debian jessie-backports, I am looking for something like that (from debian wheezy): https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist
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14:57<jhutchins>!crosspost
14:57<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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15:20<AirPlanes2>dpkg is likt apt-get?
15:20<dpkg>AirPlanes2: I give up, what is it?
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15:20<AirPlanes>wtf?
15:21<AirPlanes>dpkg is like apt-get?
15:21<dpkg>AirPlanes: wish i knew
15:21<AirPlanes>:(
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15:22<cra1g321>check the wiki
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15:35<awal1>AirPlanes, dpkg is a bot
15:36<awal1>if you start you sentence with dpkg, dpkg thinks you're talking with it
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15:41<somiaj>AirPlanes2: dpkg is the core package manager that deals with installing/removing packages. apt-get is somewhat of a front end to dpkg that also knows about intersources, and has logic to resolve dependencies.
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16:34<kf>hello! I'm sort-of-new to running debian full-time on my laptop. Here's my fstab: http://paste.debian.net/779276
16:35<kf>I just want to review the steps for my system to resize my /root partition. I understand ext4 can be resized without a reboot, but can't find specifics for my setup, so I'm wary about missing something
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16:41<supaplex>kf: http://geekofpassage.blogspot.com/2014/01/im-running-out-of-space-gee-thats-never.html
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16:46<supaplex>kf: I misread that a bit. the lvm2 tools " lvresize " can use something like -L+500m, and resize2fs will GROW to the lv size live.
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16:58<kf>ok, so my understanding is I do the following steps: 1. use `resize2fs /dev/kfbook-vg/home 400G` to shrink my ext4 filesystem down to 400G, then 2. `lvresize --size 400G /dev/kfbook-vg/home` to resize the logical volume to fit the filesystem, then 3. `lvresize --size 50G /dev/kfbook-vg/root` to resize the root volume, and finally 4. `resize2fs /dev/kfbook-vg/root` to automatically fill the volume with the fs
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17:00<kf>man resize2fs says it only works on unmounted fs, but says Modern 2.6 kernel supports online resize -- not sure what that means for me I'm on 4.6 kernel
17:00<kf>much love to all those with assisting
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18:14<nuxt>What is good way to convert a folder full of raw nikon images into high quality jpegs or similar?
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18:34<somiaj>nuxt: convert from imagemagick can handel most image formats and change them from one type to another
18:35<hdi>Hi. I would appreciate some troubleshooting help . I'm running Debian Jessie with BPO-kernel. Recently (in the last 2-3 weeks) when the CPU is maxed out for a while, the system becomes extremely hot and shutsdown. I reinstalled the O.S., same issue. I'm trying to figure out if it is a hardware problem with the fan, or more likely, some issue induced by the newer Kernel 4.6. Anyone experienced something similar?
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18:40<somiaj>hdi: most likely hardware or airflow (dust out the machine, ensure there is enough airflow, and the bios firmware should be what is increasing the fan speed
18:40<somiaj>hdi: now you could try to figure out what is using your cpu, but overheating can be a problem due to not good enough air flow. Also does this happen on the 3.16 kernel?
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18:41<hdi>somiaj: the high cpu itself is not an issue and is expected (something that is intensive). the strange thing is the shutdown
18:42<hdi>somiaj: is it safe to downgrade the kernel back from Backports to the original? (in order to test if the issue exists with 3.16 too?)
18:42<somiaj>hdi: you can (and might) have both installed and can just choose the 3.16 from the grub boot menu
18:43<hdi>right!
18:43<somiaj>hdi: it is common for the firmware to shut down the machine if it over heats. You may want to check the fans are all working and not covered in dust.
18:44<hdi>somiaj: so this is not controlled by the kernel but by the bios? do things such as thermald or lmsensors or tlp etc help?
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18:44<somiaj>hdi: they can monintor what is going on (and can them selves shut things down if it gets too hot) but in general it is the firmware that shuts itself down if thigns get too hot
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18:47<hdi>somiaj, thanks, so i'll reboot in 3.16
18:47<somiaj>and by default I don't think debian has anything confgiured to shutdown if the machine gets too hot
18:48<hdi>somiaj, that part I get. I was thinking more if the system stops the fans from going to high-speed, or sth like that
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18:54<hdi>ok, restarted in 3.16, and now putting CPU under pressure
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19:09<hdi_>somiaj, so it the shutdown also happened on kernel 3.16. I'm guess the issue is really with the fan. thanks
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19:11<hdi_>somiaj are tehre any documented cpu temprature ranges?
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19:14<somiaj>hdi_: you should be able to list the specs for the actual cpu you have
19:14<somiaj>I've seen them range from 70-90C as max operating temperature. My cpu runs at about 50 when really stressed out, and 30 when idel (Celisus)
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19:22<hdi_>somiaj, wow that's really cool. is it on a laptop or desktop? my cpu is many times in 90C
19:24<somiaj>hdi_: this is a desktop, and 90C seems quite hot to me for a cpu.
19:26<hdi_>now with vaccummed fans...
19:26<somiaj>hdi_: http://www.buildcomputers.net/cpu-temperature.html (most of the 'Max Temp' for both the intel and amd chips seem to be about 70C, so 90C sounds like you are having cooling problems
19:26<hdi_>coretemp-isa-0000
19:26<hdi_>Adapter: ISA adapter
19:26<hdi_>Physical id 0: +80.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
19:26<hdi_>Core 0: +74.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
19:26<hdi_>Core 1: +81.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
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19:27<hdi_>sorry booted
19:27<somiaj>hdi_: http://www.buildcomputers.net/cpu-temperature.html (most of the 'Max Temp' for both the intel and amd chips seem to be about 70C, so 90C sounds like you are having cooling problems
19:27<hdi_>ok wow yes this list is so different
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19:28<hdi_>Now: Core 1: +85.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
19:28<somiaj>I know older cpu's use to run hotter, you will have to look up the normal range for the actual cpu you have.
19:30<hdi_>my cpu is i7 3687U (ivy bridge)
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19:34<hdi_>somiaj, you've been great help, thanks. already with the simple vaccuming it's not shutting down anymore when I max the temp. I can't believe this was a fan problem all along. I've been tweaking my software/packages for the past 3 weeks crazily
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19:38<somiaj>hdi_: can't seem to find exact specs like I did for my amd chips awhile ago. But what I'm reading is the operating temperture under a load should be 50-60C with getting above 70C being hot (note sometimes lm-sensors doesn't report correct numbers, check the bios for more accurate numbers). I would make sure you have a good cooling system if you keep getting as hot as you do
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19:42<hdi_>somiaj, ok thanks. and bye
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22:19<silver>im trying to force SATA interface speed limit to 3.0Gps by adding the kernel perimeter 'libata.force=1:3.0G,2:1.5G' to /etc/default/grub. i also tried libbata.force=1:3.0G,2:3.0G'. The perm. is working correctly but the kernel is not linking the interface speed to 3.0Gps. After checking logs i found that the drive suffers from "10 bit to 8 bit" error flag as you can see here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6dca9851 . Could this be why the kernel
22:19<silver>insists on linking to 1.5Gps?
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23:23<JGALT>can one install from debian live cd's similar to the network installer?
23:24<JGALT>also, what are the webroot cd's
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23:32<vook>the last time I used a debian live it did have an install function
23:32<vook>but it's been a while since i've used the livecd
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23:41<supaplex>JGALT: you can install debian from another linux distro. #debian-live and/or #debian-boot might answer more.
23:43<JGALT>thanks, interesting.
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23:47<somiaj>JGALT: the debian installer has an ssh mode, but it requires someone who can get the network up and turn ont he ssh server (it can then be completed remotly)
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23:49<JGALT>will the denian netinstall multiarch (amd64-i386) cd's install both architectures or can one select which architecture(s) to install at install time?
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23:49<awal1>select
23:49<somiaj>JGALT: you have to select which one you isntall at the time of boot
23:50<JGALT>nice, so the multiarch cd will replace the 2 single arch cd's otherwise needed?
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