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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-08

---Logopened Fri Jul 08 00:00:47 2016
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01:22<nulleureka>hi
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01:24<frlttrwrd>is there a file manager that can just highlight searched and found files in the normal view instead of only displaying found files in a new view?
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01:27<root__>Which tools can restore my Windows 10 OS using linux live boot? My Win10 won't boot at all so I have to boot with usb everytime.
01:27<root__>Darn, I used root username.
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01:30<nulleureka>hi, is anyone having issues with the kernel headers in stretch?
01:31<nulleureka>(sorry, english is not my first language)
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01:34<somiaj>andromeda: the package os-prober sometimes detects others installs and allows you to boot from them via grub
01:36<andromeda>Thank you, somiaj.
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04:26<veggi3s0>hi
04:27<veggi3s0>for proposed moscout Buzz+ woody, was it intentially meant to be just for white people?
04:27<veggi3s0>whoever accepted that must not have much world cultural experience
04:28<veggi3s0>the moscout should be a dolphin or an animal, like sport and other teams
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04:28<duclicsic>veggi3s0: hello, do you have something you need help with?
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04:30<veggi3s0>duclicsic, yes, i would like to talk about qubes in a casual way
04:30<veggi3s0>just what your thoughts are and stuff
04:31<veggi3s0>or
04:31<veggi3s0>oh, wrong channel
04:31<veggi3s0>duclicsic, yes
04:31<veggi3s0>duclicsic, i would like to discuss the debian moscout
04:31<veggi3s0>do you know information about it?
04:31<duclicsic>if you mean "mascot", there is no official debian mascot that I am aware of.
04:31<veggi3s0>yes, moscot, thanks, i found this page through google: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Mascot
04:32<veggi3s0>and it looks like people dont get out much and lack creativity
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04:32<veggi3s0>i rather have no moscot than any of those
04:32<duclicsic>veggi3s0: that may be true, but this being a support channel makes this subject off-topic
04:32<veggi3s0>the moscot is off topic?
04:33<duclicsic>veggi3s0: that page is ancient, the project is not likely to be adopt any of them imo.
04:33<veggi3s0>okay thanks
04:33<duclicsic>(last edited 2011-07-29 22:26:05
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04:58<Vinicius>Hello :)
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06:36<llldino>Hey guys, i'm a little confused as to what I just did. I've been using the kernal in jessie-backports. Today, when I did "apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64" I had over 200 packages that needed updating after the install
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06:37<llldino>I installed them using apt-get dist-upgrade. I'm not sure if I bonked my system now. I only wanted to use the newest kernal and keep everything else from the stable jessie repo. Now I feel like I may have mixed things up more than I wanted to, anyone know what the implications of what I just did are?
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06:38<automount-q>Dear all, I am new to debian (jessie) and have a problem with mounting external disk as a user: the nautilus as I click the disk label in its "Places" tells me "This location could not be displayed." "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of “LB”."
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06:39<automount-q>I am sure, the problem is fairly easy to solve, could anybody help me with this?
06:39<automount-q>Tried to google and it seems I do not know the right question )=
06:39<automount-q>mounting it somewhere as root goes ok.
06:39<automount-q>and 'sudo ls /media/$USER/LB/' goes OK too.
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06:39<automount-q>so the media is mounted but my user has no chance viewing it!
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06:43<perk11>sounds like permissions issue in /etc/fstab
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06:44<perk11>or maybe with files on whatever you're mounting
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06:46<automount-q>perk11: but one of the partitions is NTFS.... No permissions there, if I get it right...
06:46<gigi>buongiorno giovani sono nuovissimo in debian.... ho installato deb8 su un antico toshiba L10 125 e non mi funziona il wifi.... qualche minima base c'è (o almeno c'era) di debian qualcuno mi puo aiutare?
06:46<automount-q>perk11: and this disk is not in fstab...
06:46<perk11>for my NTFS partition I have the following in fstab:
06:46<perk11>rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,nobootwait,uid=1000
06:47<perk11>how are you mounting it then?
06:47<perk11>mount command with all the options?
06:47<perk11>You probably missed some
06:47<automount-q>perk11: it is automounted in gnome, no?
06:47<perk11>you said you're mounting it as root
06:47<perk11>Gnome mounts as user
06:47<automount-q>perk11: under root everything is OK.
06:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 766] by debhelper
06:48<automount-q>perk11: but I don't want to mount is manually everytime... I'd like to be able to work as a user...
06:48<automount-q>should i tweak udisks?
06:50<perk11>http://askubuntu.com/questions/18926/how-to-control-gnomes-auto-mounting-capabilities
06:50<perk11>Try playing with Nautilus settings I guess
06:50<perk11>also what's the output of `mount` for this partition?
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06:51<perk11>I mean if you just type "mount" it shows what's already mounted
06:51<perk11>what options are there for this partition?
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06:54<automount-q>perk11: "sudo mount ...." tells nothing It just mounts it again.
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06:55<duclicsic>automount-q: that's not what you were asked to do. just run "mount" with no arguments to list currently mounted partitions with their applied options
06:57<automount-q>duclicsic: perk11: /dev/sdb1 on /media/ef/LB type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
06:58<perk11>ext4?
06:58<perk11>You said it's NTFS
06:59<automount-q> /dev/sdc1 on /media/ef/4GB type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
06:59<automount-q> /dev/sdb2 on /media/ef/ABC type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
07:00<automount-q>all of them were visible before... before I don't know what's happened.
07:00<automount-q>I had no problem with automounting so far...
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07:01<automount-q>sdb - WD 1TB drive, sdc - 4GB flash usb stick
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07:01<automount-q>khm....
07:02<gigi>buongiorno giovani sono nuovissimo in debian.... ho installato deb8 su un antico toshiba L10 125 e non mi funziona il wifi.... qualche minima base c'è (o almeno c'era) di debian qualcuno mi puo aiutare?
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07:03<bluca>!it
07:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:04<gigi>grazie mille dpkg
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07:05<automount-q>let me come back after reboot....
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07:08<randel>ad
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07:16<automount-q>OK, I've had tried it on my sid-installation and everything is OK there....
07:16<automount-q>So not the hard-drive is the problem.
07:17<automount-q>It is my user that - being in plugdev group - has no access to the automounted media in /media/$USER/$LABEL
07:17<automount-q>Could this possibly be a polkit?
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07:21<theta3>does apt use heuristics or some sort of SAT solver? i remember aptitude used heuristics to determine dependecies and solve conflicts
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07:24<automount-q>any ideas?
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07:33<musca>automount-q: does the path /media/$USER/$LABEL already exist before you (automatically) mount the filesystem?
07:33<automount-q>musca: nope...
07:34<automount-q>polkitd.service is running...
07:34<musca>good
07:34<automount-q>udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1
07:34<automount-q>Mounted /dev/sdb1 at /media/ef/LB.
07:35<automount-q>ef@dhp:~$ udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb1
07:35<automount-q>Unmounted /dev/sdb1.
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07:36<musca>ok, so the user has sufficient rights
07:36<automount-q>musca: well, my "ef" user is in plugdev group.
07:37<automount-q>musca: and the directory is created at /media/ef everytime....
07:37<musca>ok
07:38<automount-q>I must add, "$ df" as a user does not show the partition!
07:38<automount-q>and "$ ls" as a user does not see it.
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07:38<automount-q>$ ls /media/ef/LB/
07:38<automount-q>ls: cannot access /media/ef/LB/: Permission denied
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07:39<musca>What filesystem is on "LB"?
07:39<automount-q>ext4
07:39<automount-q>The same is with another partition, which is NTFS.
07:40<automount-q>"sudo ls" - does it, "ls" - does not....
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07:40<musca>ok, so ext4 carries its own permissions hardcoded as UID/GID in its inodes.
07:42<automount-q>musca: there is one 755 ef:ef folder there at ext4 partition too though.
07:43<musca>and can your user access that directory?
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07:44<automount-q>musca: nope...
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07:45<musca>automount-q: how did you try?
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07:45<automount-q>ls /media/ef/LB/imp/
07:46<musca>ok
07:46<musca>and what is the result?
07:46<automount-q>ls: cannot access /media/ef/LB/imp/: Permission denied
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07:49<musca>what are the exact mountpotions at this moment?
07:50<automount-q> /dev/sdb1 on /media/ef/LB type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
07:51<automount-q> /dev/sdb2 on /media/ef/ABC type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2) gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000)
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07:53<musca>that doesn't look wrong.
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07:59<automount-q>musca: so, judging from previous info, my user "ef" should have the access?
07:59<automount-q>an could polkit be running but misconfigured?
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08:07<user01>hi was going to setup a a home fileserver for the family, was going to see if this is the best idea for shared media path on it: 1) create shared group 'family' 2) add family logins to group 'family' 3) setup /home/?????/share group -R 770 4) set sticky bit so all files copied/created in the folder have read/write (chmod g+s ../share)
08:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 772] by debhelper
08:08<user01>or is there a more 'natural' place to set up a shared path than someone's home directory?
08:10<koollman>user01: /usr/local/share ? or something like /share, if you are lazy :)
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08:17<user01>koollman, oh ok . . . thanks!
08:18<Anarka>shared media via net ?
08:18<user01>koollman, in the FHS thought maybe i needed to create /srv
08:19<user01>Anarka, its a local home network server
08:19<user01>a place to dump photos everyone took
08:19<user01>share documents
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08:20<user01>hmmm googling on /srv gets me to stevie ray vaughn . . . /srv linux is better
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08:27<user01>koollman, looks like /usr/ is supposed to be read-only data https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard
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08:39<veggi3s0>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/ian_murdock_autopsy/ he killed himself and looks like he lived a wretched late life
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09:03<cra1g321>,v youtube-dl
09:03<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.02.22-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2016.02.22-1; sid: 2016.06.25-1
09:04<cra1g321>jessie's youtube-dl is from 2014, i get why, but there is bug reports of it not working, why bother with a backport but instead just update the jessie package ?
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09:42<automount-q>Hello again! I have to ask again the same as googling and dancing both did not help.
09:42<automount-q>I have an external drive.
09:42<automount-q>say, 4GB fat32 usb stick.
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09:43<automount-q>I plug it in and gnome "kinda automounts it".
09:43<automount-q>I open nautilus and click on the appropriate label.
09:43<automount-q>finally, I get "This location could not be displayed."
09:44<automount-q>however, /media/ef/4GB type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
09:44<automount-q>the same flash works greak on the other linux install.
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09:45<automount-q>what's the problem??? It's making me crazy....
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09:45<automount-q>I run jessie. Gnome 3.14
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09:46<automount-q>Oh, eah. Also the nautilus says "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of “4GB”"
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09:46<blast007>automount-q: and just to make sure, if you type 'id' at a terminal from this X session, it shows a uid and gid of 1000?
09:47<automount-q>blast007: yes, it does...
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09:53<automount-q>Have no idea at all....
09:53<automount-q>The same usb stick works ok at my another debian (sid) install.
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09:59<automount-q>And though the stick is automounted at /media/ef/4GB
09:59<automount-q>the user can not view it...
09:59<automount-q>ls does not work...
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10:10<theta3>automount-q, just curious: do other sticks work?
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10:11<automount-q>not only other usb-stick do not work, but also hotplugging another sda partition does not work.
10:11<automount-q>theta3:
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10:14<theta3>maybe there's a group that your user needs to be a member of... see https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups (perhaps plugdev, not sure - it used to be floppy, apparently not any more since jessie)
10:16<theta3>the "groups" command should list the groups you are a member of. you could also boot with a debian live image, and compare the output of groups (or on another system where that works)
10:16<theta3>automount-q, ^^^
10:17<automount-q>theta3: for sure, I am in plugdev...
10:17<theta3>sorry, no idea then...
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10:18<theta3>you could also look in /proc/mounts, maybe you can see as which user and group the mount belongs to
10:19<automount-q>theta3: it belongs to 1000:1000
10:19<automount-q>so, me....
10:19<theta3>i assume that's you?
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10:20<theta3>nothing in the logs? do you have apparmor or selinux enabled?
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10:30<automount-q>theta3: yes,)) that's me)
10:30<automount-q>theta3: i don't know what those are, so I didn't enable them)
10:31<theta3>automount-q, sorry, no idea. you might also want to ask on the debian-user mailing lists, or here at some other time
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10:32<automount-q>theta3: ah... ok. thank you however!
10:32<theta3>yw
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11:03<Denise>good morning all, I am compiling my first cpp file using gcc, I get this error, "undefined reference to "std::basic_ios ..." any suggestions on solving this?
11:04<bill-auger>Denise your first cpp file sholud just say "hello world" - then move on to move complex things
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11:05<bill-auger>that is looking for some library that defines a symbol 'basic_ios' - i do not know what library that is tho
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11:05<bill-auger>the first thing you should do is ask the duck that same question
11:06<bill-auger>like this https://duckduckgo.com/?q=undefined+reference+to+std%3A%3Abasic_ios&t=hb&ia=web
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11:08<Denise>thank you so much bill-auger
11:08<Denise>i will start off with hello world
11:08<bill-auger>dont think me - thank the duck
11:08<Denise>i compiled this cpp with eclipse
11:08<bill-auger>that is even more complicated IMHO
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11:09<Denise>bill-auger, i would not know about the duck with your precious time, thanks again
11:09<bill-auger>look at that SO thread the forst search result - at the answer by Alan
11:09<Denise>i know bill-auger, that's why i want to use debian linix
11:09<Denise>i need to start with hello world though, u right
11:10<bill-auger>may i ask why you are compiling anything?
11:10<bill-auger>are you learning to program - or is there some program that you want to build?
11:11<bill-auger>hello-world.c http://groups.engin.umd.umich.edu/CIS/course.des/cis400/c/hworld.html
11:12<Denise>i am learning to use debian to compile, i know c++
11:12<Denise>i took the class 20 years ago
11:12<Denise>now i'm taking it again
11:12<Denise>the instructor uses debian linux so i want to use the same
11:13<Denise>it compiled!
11:13<Denise>i typed in, 'g++ ass1.cpp -o mainfile"
11:13<Denise>now where is the console output?
11:13<bill-auger>then compile it in a terminal like gcc hworld.c -o hello
11:13<Denise>i did, nothing came back
11:14<bill-auger>you need to run the file to see the output
11:14<Denise>gcc gives me an error, g++ as alan stated eliminates the error
11:14<bill-auger>in your case type mainfile
11:14<bill-auger>ok then if you ls you should see mainfile - tes?
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11:14<Denise>yes
11:14<bill-auger>type mainfile to run the program
11:14<Denise>thanks!
11:15<bill-auger>yay
11:15<duclicsic>or './mainfile' if your current working directory is not in your PATH
11:15<bill-auger>oh yes my bad
11:16<Denise>whew, i just got the error, 'command not found'
11:16<Denise>it works!
11:16<Denise>you rule dude
11:16<bill-auger>alright - gold star sticker for denise
11:17<Denise>so i should get an A on first assignment!
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11:17<Denise>thanks to you!
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11:17<Denise>it would have taken me hours to figure this out and get a headache, now i can play video games instead
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11:20<swi>Hello.
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11:21<swi>is gpg-agent works with gnome keyring in debian?
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11:23<automount-q>theta3: I've posted the request at debian-user list. Thank you once more!
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11:36<grawity>swi: pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-gnome3 appear to have libsecret support
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11:36<grawity>so yeah they should be able to store passphrases in gnome-keyring
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11:54<ShinChan>debhelper ??
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12:33<swi>grawity: it' installed, but gajim (if checked 'use gpg agent') just say passphrase is wrong
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16:33<awaite>apologies if this is off-topic — what monitoring/alerting software is Debian recommending be used? Nagios3 has no maintainers, Icinga’s maintainers are disgruntled, Shinken has no maintainers (and the Jessie package is broken)…..so what are we supposed to use, or is monitoring no longer supported in Debian?
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16:36<babilen>check_mk is nice
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16:36<babilen>sensu is also worth a look, but you probably want the "enterprise" version soon
16:37<rican-linux>awaite: nagios is no longer maintained? I use that as well...
16:37<babilen>awaite: I'd look into check_mk, sensu and icinga2
16:38<awaite>i’ll definitely look into sensu and check_mk
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16:38<babilen>(icinga2 is a complete rewrite of icinga)
16:38<babilen>judd: v check-mk-server
16:38<judd>Package: check-mk-server on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1.1.12p7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.12p7-1; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.2.6p12-1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 1.2.6p12-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.6p12-1; stretch: 1.2.6p12-1
16:38<babilen>judd: v icinga2
16:38<judd>Package: icinga2 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.1.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.1-1; jessie-backports: 2.4.10-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.4.10-1; stretch: 2.4.10-1
16:38<babilen>You have recent packages of both in jessie-backports
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16:41<awaite>rican-linux: https://qa.debian.org/data/bts/graphs/n/nagios3.png
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16:42<rican-linux>awaite: I am assuming the upward trend is not good
16:43<awaite>it’s the lack of any downward movement in the number of bugs that i’m concerned by
16:43<awaite>i also recall reading a post by Alexander Wirt that he was no longer interested in maintaining it
16:43<babilen>awaite: I really wouldn't deploy new installations of nagios3 or icinga these days
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16:45<awaite>babilen: i was deploying shinken, until i ran into this bug:
16:46<awaite>https://github.com/naparuba/shinken/issues/1659
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16:47<babilen>awaite: I have it on my list, but haven't had time to play with it. What was your impression of it?
16:47<babilen>judd: v shinken
16:47<judd>Package: shinken on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.6.5-2; jessie: 2.0.3-4
16:47<babilen>heh
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16:48<awaite>i thought it was nice….clean web interface, modularized daemons written in python, compatible with standard NRPE plugins, etc
16:48<awaite>only problem is that it doesn’t work :P
16:49<rican-linux>so now i am going have to find a new network monitoring tool
16:49<awaite>yeah, i’m going to go check out check_mk and sensu
16:49<awaite>i appreciate the suggestions!
16:50<babilen>rican-linux: observium? influxxnmp + influxdb + grafana ?
16:51<babilen>awaite: The bug you linked was closed though -- did you really not get it to work?
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16:51<awaite>babilen: the bug was closed because it’s not a bug in shinken, it’s a bug specifically in the pycurl package in debian jessie
16:52<babilen>Right
16:52<awaite>i ran into that bug elsewhere, with the gnutls build
16:52<babilen>Which does, however, prevent shinken from working?
16:52<rican-linux>babilen: I will check those out
16:52<awaite>yup
16:52<awaite>2016-07-08 13:07:49,372 [1468008469] Warning : [broker] Connection problem to the scheduler scheduler: Connexion error to http://localhost:7768/ : Failed to connect to localhost port 7768: Connection refused
16:52<awaite>2016-07-08 13:07:54,578 [1468008474] Warning : [broker] Connection problem to the poller poller: Connexion error to http://localhost:7771/ : Failed to connect to localhost port 7771: Connection refused
16:52<awaite>2016-07-08 13:07:57,619 [1468008477] Warning : [broker] Connection problem to the reactionner reactionner: Connexion error to http://localhost:7769/ : Failed to connect to localhost port 7769: Connection refused
16:53<babilen>awaite: Can you install a newer version of that in venv along with shinken?
16:53<babilen>I'm actually rather dismayed as I was looking forward to playing with shinken soon :(
16:53<awaite>yeah, looks like i’m going to have to reinstall both using venv and pip
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16:54<awaite>have you tried sensu?
16:54<rican-linux>graphana looks nice
16:54<babilen>rican-linux: *grafana
16:54<babilen>(and yeah, it is awesome)
16:54<rican-linux>thanks
16:55<babilen>rican-linux: Check out https://grafana.wikimedia.org/ for some nice dashboards and usecases
16:56<babilen>Nice network graphing with influxsnmp and InfluxDB, but you can naturally use carbon also
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16:56<babilen>awaite: We looked at sensu, but it turned out that we'd want the enterprise version soon .. That's essentially why shinken is on the list.
16:57<rican-linux>babilen: will do
16:57<rican-linux>thanks
16:58<babilen>yw
16:58<awaite>oooh, grafana is pretty
16:58<babilen>:)
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17:16<veggi3s0> hi. i have an i5 skylake, but my temp motherboard is an h110 chipset that i bought for 50 dollars, debian sometimes stalls for a few seconds, could that be because of the motherboard? i can't type anything in the xtreme consoles, but i can move my mouse around and open new programs
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17:31<retrospectacus>veggi3s0: the only program with any issue is "xtreme consoles"? what is that?
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17:41<blast007>probably means xterm consoles
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17:42<retrospectacus>haha. of course
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17:49<awaite>veggi3s0: if you press CTRL-ALT-F1, does it change from a GUI to a CLI login screen?
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17:50<veggi3s0>awaite, yes, i think it is an issue with my usb logitech receiver, i moved it above th e desk and will try that
17:51<veggi3s0>i type Xorg -configure, and there is no star next to any video drivers, even though i have skylake integrated graphics, it doesn't mark a star next to ti and thereor edoesn't create a config file lspci says "VGA compatible controller: intel corp device 192 (rev 06)"
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17:55<awaite>might be needing a non-free video driver
17:56<grove>You can try xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports and see if that improves performance
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17:57<veggi3s0>i dont know how to set that as my default xorg or what, or even know what my default xorg is , do you ln -s it or something?
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17:57<blast007>probably want to get firmware-linux-nonfree and a new kernel from backports as well
17:58<blast007>skylake has non-free firmware
17:58<AirPlanes>hello
17:58<veggi3s0>i dont understand why you say backports, doesn't that mean a previous version of debian, other than 8.5?
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17:58<AirPlanes>not sure if someone notice or need to fix but a link is dead!
17:58<grove>!backports
17:58<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
17:59<veggi3s0>i see
17:59<veggi3s0>thanks
17:59<AirPlanes>url: https://wiki.debian.org/USB inside their is link dead > http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB < ??
17:59<AirPlanes>Also: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/devices.php
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18:01<AirPlanes>let me know :))
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18:18<vook>AirPlanes: you should be able to edit that and correct it
18:18<AirPlanes>why me? im afraid
18:18<vook>it's a wiki
18:19<AirPlanes>im noob
18:19<AirPlanes>im still trying to look at debian before install it because i don't want to lost data ..
18:19<vook>alright, I'll fix it
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18:20<AirPlanes>wait
18:20<AirPlanes>i will get credit?
18:20<AirPlanes>:))
18:21<vook>there is no credit, you just contribute for the sake of contributing
18:21<AirPlanes>credit my name
18:21<AirPlanes>oh you didn't get me right
18:21<veggi3s0>i dont see i915 in my modeprod-d directory
18:21<vook>I'm not crediting anything, just removing the dead links. If you want to do it, do it.
18:21<AirPlanes>they will log my ip and call fbi XD
18:22<AirPlanes>to be honest i need account to edit it
18:22<AirPlanes>sorry :(
18:22<vook>you can create an account
18:22<vook>forget, I'll handle it
18:22<vook>*forget it
18:22<AirPlanes>ok sir!!
18:22<AirPlanes>also ubuntu website has same thing
18:23<vook>that doesn't concern us
18:23<AirPlanes>if we remove dead links we need to add more resources?
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18:24<AirPlanes>do you know if it's the dead link i found alive? http://wiki.ozanh.com/doku.php?id=linux:debian_on_usb
18:24<AirPlanes>by the way don't get me wrong i want to contribute
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18:27<trollking>hello is there a german channel for debian?
18:28<retrospectacus>!de
18:28<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
18:28<AirPlanes>the linux usb devices can be replaced with http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html (not sure though because it's more about linux) and Debian_on_USB can be replaced with http://wiki.ozanh.com/doku.php?id=linux:debian_on_usb
18:28<AirPlanes>how about that as first contribute? :))
18:29<vook>AirPlanes: this is off topic - go do this yourself. Asking others in this channel to go edit website for you is not contributing.
18:29<AirPlanes>:(
18:29<vook>I removed the dead links - they've been dead for 3+ years.
18:29<AirPlanes>o
18:29<AirPlanes>ok
18:29<AirPlanes>what about what i said?
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18:29<AirPlanes>sorry then... :(
18:30<trollking>how i type the command in chatline to join a new channel?
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18:32<AirPlanes>like this: /join #channel_name
18:32<AirPlanes>hope i helped :)
18:33<trollking>thx ... it works ... :-*
18:33<AirPlanes>:)))))
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18:35<trollking>ok... they sleep all in germany ... no one will answer ... can sombody help me to change language of iceweasel from english to german?
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18:37<jmcnaught>trollking: do you have the task-german-desktop meta-package installed? this will install the firefox-esr-l10n-de language pack (iceweasel has recently transitioned back to firefox on Debian Jessie)
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18:40<trollking>i installed debian in german ... ohm ... dont know im a fresh debian user :/
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18:41<jmcnaught>trollking: you can use "apt-get install task-german-desktop" to install this package, it will want to install a few others as well
18:41<trollking>ok i will do this
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18:42<jmcnaught>trollking: look for firefox-esr-l10n-de (or iceweasel...) in the list of packages it wants to install. If you are still using iceweasel and not firefox, you need to do security updates.
18:43<AirPlanes>so the red one in iceweasel website is to alert about security stuff?
18:43<AirPlanes>(in debian website)
18:44<trollking>my actually account have no sudo rights ... i typed sudo in the commandline but they say that my account trollking have no file in sudoers-file
18:45<trollking>sorry for my bad english :/
18:45<AirPlanes>It's ok. Best things is to add your user to sudeors file correct me if I'm wrong
18:46<trollking>how i will do this?
18:46<retrospectacus>if you created a root password during installation, use that to become root ("su")
18:47<trollking>im using it and my account have the same pw ...
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18:51<jmcnaught>trollking: you can use the root password with the "su" command, or if you would rather use sudo you can add your user to the sudo group with "adduser username sudo" (and then log back in)
18:51<trollking>haha i got in in synaptic...
18:52<trollking>the file for iceweasel
18:52<trollking>ok
18:53<AirPlanes>update us
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18:55<trollking>i found the files at synaptic thats a cool tool ... to install german language pack for iceweasel and im installing firefox too
18:55<AirPlanes>ok good luck!
18:55<awaite>babilen: ugh, sensu is distributed as a %()#&% omnibus package
18:55<awaite>DEATH TO OMNIBUS PACKAGING
18:56<jmcnaught>trollking: you can install security updates with synaptic too, but using "apt-get upgrade" is a better way
18:56<trollking>other question... if i took trollking to sudo group it will be always with sudo rights?
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18:56<jmcnaught>trollking: yes, until you remove that user from the sudo group
18:58<trollking>that mean if log in in my account that this have root right every time so that i didnt must type pw?
18:59<jmcnaught>trollking: if you are a member of the sudo group you can use the sudo command, which prompts for your user's password. (su prompts for root's password)
18:59<trollking>ok understanding
19:00<AirPlanes>jmcnaught, if there is update on sudo program or something related he have to add user to group again?
19:00<jmcnaught>AirPlanes: no
19:01<trollking>ok done...
19:01<trollking>i see synapitc take a lot of time wit terminal shell it will be faster or?
19:02<AirPlanes>Please rephrase?
19:02<jmcnaught>AirPlanes: the sudo package on Debian installs a /etc/sudoers file with the line "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" referring to the sudo group. group membership is stored in the /etc/group file which would not be touched by the sudo package
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19:03<AirPlanes>oh thanks.
19:03<jmcnaught>trollking: probably about the same, but synaptic doesn't always follow the same behaviour as apt-get and the other command line tools, it ignores held packages for example
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19:03<mtndew>AirPlanes: what's special about here?
19:03<AirPlanes>You can ask your question here!
19:03<trollking>ok
19:03<mtndew>I'm trying to do preseeded installs
19:04<babilen>awaite: Agree
19:04<mtndew>I did install manually, did debconf-get-selections --installer > file && debconf-get-selections >> file and it didn't work
19:04<mtndew>it hangs on the partitioning when asking for confirmation if I want the disks to be partioned in the chosen layout
19:04<mtndew>d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true
19:04<mtndew>but I have that line in there
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19:08<jmcnaught>mtndew: have you referred to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs02.html.en and the preseed example file that page links to?
19:09<mtndew>that's the one that I started with, and it didn't work either, same issue
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19:11<mtndew>I started by looking for working examples, that was the first that I'd tried, it froze up waiting on input for the confirmation of the partitioning
19:11<mtndew>I went and installed manually and dumped the config out and tried to load it straight back in, and it didn't work, did the exact same thing
19:11<trollking>thx a lot all works ... good night
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19:11<mtndew>so if there's some magical way to figure out the name of the active question being asked, that'd be great
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19:40<veggi3s0>i fixed my skylake integrated graphics problem by installing the stretch / testing version of debian
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21:25<AirPlanes>vook, how is that someone can go wiki and change stuff?
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21:33<AirPlanes>just thinking no backups?
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