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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-10

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03:37<dede>hi everybody, i really need help (as i'm about to pull my hair out) - i just installed a new debian testing, when i plug my usb HDD i can't create a folder or change anything
03:37<dede>i realized it's a premission thing (i think) but for the life of me i can't change the premissions
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03:45<paxmark9>dede, #debina-next is the pace to ask testing questions
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03:46<paxmark9>er #debian-next
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05:04<Vidasbdb>I did a debian 8 net install and only installed the bare minimum system. I need to get EasyTether working to get a connection. I'm pretty sure the reason it's not working at the moment is that I don't have whatever package will give me TAP/TUN support? What do I need to install for that and are there any other basic network packages I should grab while I'm on this machine with a network connection?
05:05<Vidasbdb>I can chroot into that debian 8 system from here to install whatever I need
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05:16<rican-linux>does anyone know if there is plans to have snapd in Debain?
05:16<plasmoduck>ah I just bought an Apple G4 MDD for $35. How well will it run Debian?
05:17<plasmoduck>Or am I better sticking with OS X Tiger?
05:17<rican-linux>I am running Debian on a powerbook g4 and I had it running G4 MDD
05:17<rican-linux>runs well
05:17<plasmoduck>with x and all?
05:17<rican-linux>what is your cpu speed? mine is a dual 1.2 Ghz
05:17<rican-linux>yes
05:18<plasmoduck>X, firefox?
05:18<plasmoduck>can it play youtube videos alright?
05:18<rican-linux>XFCE, MATE, or LXDE work well
05:18<plasmoduck>I bought it for the girlfriend to use
05:18<plasmoduck>I would use awesome or fluxbox
05:18<rican-linux>I use FF, midori, surf, and luakit
05:18<plasmoduck>okay sweet
05:19<rican-linux>ok I know someone who uses openbox
05:19<rican-linux>with video use smtube and set youtube-dl do use 360p
05:19<plasmoduck>I used to always use Fluxbox then I switched to Awesome WM, best move I ever made.
05:19<rican-linux>right now my debian partition on the powerbook is using awesome
05:20<plasmoduck>how awesome is awesome
05:20<rican-linux>pretty awesome ;)
05:20<rican-linux>also hit up this site http://ppcluddite.blogspot.com
05:21<rican-linux>he has great how tos on vidoe playback for PowerPC
05:21<rican-linux>*video
05:21<rican-linux>also watch the video card
05:22<rican-linux>if you have a radeon 9000 then X will freeze. You will need to disable hw acceleration in xorg if that is the case
05:22<plasmoduck>yep ok
05:22<plasmoduck>I thin it might be an S3
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05:28<cerko>hi
05:29<cerko>turkish _
05:29<cerko>?
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13:18<yusufk>Evening folks
13:20<albino>yusufk: greetings
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13:22<yusufk>Looking for anyone that might have been successful with Debian PPC on an iMac G5?
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13:23<jmcnaught>yusufk: what kind of problem are you having?
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13:24<yusufk>Graphics in particular, radeon driver driving me nuts
13:24<albino>yuicat: oh god. I tried with a G4, it was hell :(
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13:24<albino>wrong person, sorry
13:24<albino>yusufk: ^
13:24<yusufk>yep, hell describes my experience quite well
13:24<albino>what's going on with it? Can you bring up the screen?
13:24<jmcnaught>yusufk: does "dmesg | grep firmware" mention firmware files failing to load?
13:25<yusufk>Well, Gnome wont load at all, Cinnamon drops to software rendering, XFCE has weird lines all over
13:26<yusufk>@jmcnaught, let me check..., don't recall anything though
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13:26<jmcnaught>yusufk: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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13:28<yusufk>dmesg|grep firmware [19:27:58]
13:28<yusufk>[ 12.545233] radeon 0000:f0:10.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware radeon/R300_cp.bin
13:28<yusufk>[ 13.555348] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: direct-loading firmware b43/ucode5.fw
13:28<yusufk>[ 13.561684] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: direct-loading firmware b43/pcm5.fw
13:28<yusufk>[ 13.562957] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: direct-loading firmware b43/b0g0initvals5.fw
13:28<yusufk>[ 13.567914] b43 ssb0:0: firmware: direct-loading firmware b43/b0g0bsinitvals5.fw
13:28<yusufk>[ 27.389753] b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
13:29<jmcnaught>yusufk: in the future please use http://paste.debian.net/ for more than a couple of lines :)
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13:29<yusufk>oops, will do, thanks
13:30<jmcnaught>yusufk: it looks like the radeon driver loaded the firmware okay though
13:30<jmcnaught>yusufk: could you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on that paste site?
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13:34<yusufk>http://paste.debian.net/780222
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13:35<yusufk>p.s. I'm using fbdev driver at the moment because it's more usable than radeon
13:36<yusufk>mate on fbdev is usable but there's no 2d hardware acceleration so video is unusable
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13:36<jmcnaught>yusufk: maybe you could show the logs from when you try to use radeon
13:37<yusufk>Xorg logs?
13:37<jmcnaught>yeah
13:37<yusufk>sure
13:37<yusufk>give me a sec
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13:39<yusufk>paste.debian.net/780223
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13:40<yusufk>I haven't been able to find where Gnome, Mate etc. log their messages on failure?
13:41<yusufk>These are the kernel params I've added: append="video=radeonfb:off video=offb:off radeon.modeset=1 radeon.agpmode=-1"
13:41<yusufk>(had to force PCI mode, otherwise it freezes)
13:41<jmcnaught>yusufk: there don't seem to be any errors in the Xorg.0.log while radeon is used.
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13:42<jmcnaught>yusufk: On Debian 8 with systemd (the default) you can check gdm logs with "journalctl -u gdm -b" (it will show a lot of the same stuff as the Xorg.0.log file)
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13:43<yusufk>I'm using lightdm, so I guess I need to replace gdm with lightdm?
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13:44<yusufk>hmm, says no journal files found (for either)
13:44<jmcnaught>yusufk: it might work better with gnome, but you could also check "journalctl -u lightdm -b"
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13:44<jmcnaught>you need to run it as root (or as a member of the adm group if you have persistent journals)
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13:45<Rabid>Hello. My main OS won't boot, so I'm using a live usb. I have used OS-prober and Foremost but it won't recover any files or even show the main OS. The GParted tool won't load either. Does that mean the main partition files are completely deleted?
13:46<jmcnaught>Rabid: gparted the program fails to run, or doesn't show you your partitions?
13:49<Rabid>It doesn't show my partitions
13:49<jmcnaught>Rabid: does "lsblk" show them?
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13:50<Rabid>Oh yep: NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
13:50<Rabid>sda 8:0 0 698.7G 0 disk
13:50<Rabid>├─sda1 8:1 0 650M 0 part
13:50<Rabid>├─sda2 8:2 0 260M 0 part
13:50<Rabid>├─sda3 8:3 0 128M 0 part
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14:02<yusufk>It looks like Mate is "running" with radeon driver
14:02<petn-randall>!tell AirPlanes -about ask
14:02<AirPlanes>what?
14:02<AirPlanes>petn-randall, you sure its me?
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14:02<yusufk>however, certain images and fonts are blurred or have funny lines through them
14:03<yusufk>I suspect it might be those with a certain dpi or those that may have shadows or something in the 2d buffer
14:04<jmcnaught>yusufk: there's also a #radeon channel on freenode that might be able to help you with the finer details
14:04<yusufk>besides fbdev, are there any drivers I can try besides radeon?
14:05<yusufk>thanks @jmcnaught, will give them a try
14:05<jmcnaught>yusufk: i don't think the proprietary fglrx driver is available for ppc, and the card would be too old for the newer amdgpu driver. radeon and fb are the two options
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14:08<musca>also gnome doesn't play nicely with fglrx from jessie/nonfree
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14:11<yusufk>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=114222
14:11<yusufk>According to that, not much hope for fglrx
14:12<yusufk>(on ppc)
14:12<yusufk>Off to freenode / #radeon, thanks folks
14:12<yusufk>G'night\
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15:43<icant>did sombody know a alternativ to desktopnova?
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15:55<Vidasbdb>I'm trying to get an android tethering program called EasyTether working on a debian 8 minimal net install. I think the problem is that I'm missing a package that would enable "TUN" or "TAP" support. Does anyone know what I should try installing over chroot to enable that?
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16:54<AirPlanes>how to install qt in debian?
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16:59<grove>AirPlanes: Both version 4 and 5 are available but split into many packages, use `apt-cache search libqt` to find those you need
17:00<AirPlanes>libqt?
17:00<AirPlanes>I need qt for qml..
17:00<AirPlanes>qt creator also
17:01<pupperlogik>apt-cache search libqt | grep qml
17:01<pupperlogik>do those help?
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17:03<AirPlanes>hmm
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17:12<Agarax>Hello, is there any way to install Jessie using the testing installer? I'm having trouble with the support for NVMe devices in grub-mkdevicemap
17:12<somiaj>nope, and the testing installer is sometimes broken anyways.
17:12<somiaj>you could try to manually install with debootstrap from a live system
17:12<Agarax>rats
17:13<AirPlanes2>rats?
17:13<TobiX>The testing installer is for testing the installer - Not for reliable installing of systems.
17:14<Agarax>oh, I did testing and it installs just fine
17:14<somiaj>the netboot I belive can be used to select which version to install during the instller
17:14<Agarax>the bug patch just missed the deadline
17:14<somiaj>but I'm unsure how to be utalize it
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17:14<Agarax>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746396
17:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/746396 in grub-common (closed, patch): «grub-common: Add support for NVMe devices in grub-mkdevicemap»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-04-29; last modified: 2014-06-08.
17:14<Agarax>yup, that one
17:15<Agarax>hmm, where would you select it?
17:15<Agarax>I don't remember seeing it
17:15<TobiX>dpkg: testing installer
17:15<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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17:16<Agarax>That's not very helpful. The stable installer doesn't work on this hardware.
17:16<TobiX>Agarax: Then you need a custom installer using newer versions of grub installing stable.
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17:17<Agarax>What's wrong with the testing installer?
17:17<Agarax>I used it and it works
17:17<Agarax>It just puts down testing and I'm trying to figure out how to have it put down stable instead
17:17<TobiX>Agarax: Did you use expert mode?
17:17<Agarax>Yes, but I didn't see it. I'll try again and see if I missed something
17:18<Agarax>if there is an option there
17:18<TobiX>Agarax: The Debian installer is tightly coupled to the distribution it is built from...
17:19<Agarax>I figured as much, but I thought it was worth asking
17:19<AirPlanes2>hi
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17:19<AirPlanes2>anyone can help me? i booted up there is no dock with xfce
17:20<AirPlanes2>maybe no panel?
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17:20<AirPlanes>what i did before is connected to root and wrote sudo adduser panda sudo
17:21<Agarax>TobiX: Is there an option in the installer to pick what version to use?
17:21<pupperlogik>airplanes: is this after you installed those qt packages?
17:21<AirPlanes>I want to install qt now
17:21<AirPlanes>because i added me to user group
17:21<TobiX>Agarax: Maybe try with a preseed? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-mirror
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17:22<TobiX>Might or might not work...
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17:22<Agarax>not sure what that is ... will read up on it
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17:23<TobiX>Agarax: You can type preseed options into the kernel command line when booting the installer...
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17:25<AirPlanes>help?
17:26<AirPlanes>i don't know how to get dock back and applications menu
17:27<TobiX>AirPlanes: Alt+F2, xfce4-panel?
17:30<AirPlanes>thanks!
17:30<AirPlanes>it works
17:31<Agarax>TobiX: If I load the preseed file from a webserver, do I need to load the whole thing or just the diff of what I want?
17:31<TobiX>Agarax: You don't need a file: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-bootparms
17:31<AirPlanes>paste.debian.net/780251/
17:32<AirPlanes>help?
17:32<AirPlanes>also help me when I scroll mouse on terminal the desktop changing
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17:35<Agarax>Tobix: Trying to figure out the right syntax here. mirror/suite=stable ?
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17:37<TobiX>Agarax: Maybe ;) Let me check my PXE server...
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17:40<TobiX>Agarax: I'm using mirror/http/proxy=http://server:3142 on my PXE server, so mirror/suite should be correct...
17:41<Agarax>Thanks!
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17:43<AirPlanes>help
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17:44<AirPlanes>http://paste.debian.net/780252
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18:06<parzival>hey guys
18:07<parzival>just checking out a new irc chat sorry for the intrusion
18:08<pupperlogik>welcome
18:08<parzival>exit
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18:08<AirPlanes2>its so sad here is no qt new version in debian rep
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18:09<AirPlanes2>its also sad someone told me to switch to sid
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18:29<babilen>AirPlanes2: You have been given technical advice on OFTC. Please don't cross-post and also stay on topic.
18:30<AirPlanes2>babilen, i did?
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18:30<babilen>You are asking both here and on Freenode. Don't cross-post.
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18:31<AirPlanes2>i didn't got any support
18:31<AirPlanes2>people just swear me and told me to switch to unstable ...
18:31<AirPlanes2>This is not a solution
18:31<AirPlanes2>If it's solution then change stable to unstable.
18:32<babilen>AirPlanes2: I distinctly remember that I provided support. *Please* don't cross-post and stay on-topic.
18:32<AirPlanes2>yeah man you totally ignore me
18:32<AirPlanes2>i need help with qt
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18:33<babilen>Take it to Freenode. You are being supported there and we already established that you cannot install QT on jessie from Debian packages.
18:33<babilen>(or rather: the version you so desperately desire)
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18:43<Agarax>TobiX , I'm adding mirror/suite=stable right after vga=788, but before the --- on the linux line of the grub config before booting into the installer
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18:43<Agarax>Is that the right spot?
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20:23*Sicelo finds it rather weird that cinnamon seems a bit 'heavier' than gnome 3
20:24<Sicelo>at least on my old ThinkPad X40 with 1GB RAM -- Gnome 3 runs at acceptable speed, while Cinnamon is nearly unusable (70% memory hog)
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20:27<_0>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et281UHNoOU
20:27<marnold>cinimon has always been a memory hog
20:28<Sicelo>interesting :)
20:29<marnold>i don't think the people behind it know how to memory optimize
20:29<marnold>but that
20:30<marnold>is a skill which has become all to rare these days
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22:02<dumdidum>i'm using debian testing and i observed that some packages i installed are now obsolete since they got removed from testing and there are just package for stable and unstable left. why is that happening? and is there some kind of log available to see a packages history through the branches?
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22:05<blast007>dumdidum: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next . Also, you can look at package information here: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html (might be a removal news items for the package you're wondering about that might point to a specific bug)
22:08<dumdidum>blast007: thanks for the link, that's what i searched for
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22:50<JibaBytePL>HI
22:51<JibaBytePL>I have a problem. Is there any one willing to help me?
22:52<somiaj>just ask your question
22:52<junkmechanic>JibaBytePL: why dont you ask
22:52<JibaBytePL>I want to change my icon picture on my desktop. But when I try. Nautilus freezes. And I have to close it with xkill
22:53<JibaBytePL>what can I do to fix it?
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22:54<JibaBytePL>I have looked up this problem on the internet. But can't find an awnser
22:56<JibaBytePL>Anyone know a solution?
22:56<somiaj>JibaBytePL: are you using nautilus to change the desktop wall paper?
22:57<JibaBytePL>not wall paper
22:57<JibaBytePL>the application icon on my desktop
22:58-!-mode/#debian [+l 763] by debhelper
22:59<JibaBytePL>click on icon > proprieties > click on icon in the window > nautilus freezes when you are able to choose an onther icon for the application
22:59<JibaBytePL>everything else works properly
23:00<somiaj>JibaBytePL: and this is on debian stable? Don't have any third party sources? Does it work if you select a different icon?
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23:00<JibaBytePL>I use kali rolling
23:00<somiaj>well then you are in the wrong place
23:00<somiaj>!kali
23:00<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
23:00<JibaBytePL>it's based on the testing I think
23:00<somiaj>you will have to look at their bug reports and report any issues with their rolling release to them.
23:01<JibaBytePL>how can I enter the kali chat?
23:01<JibaBytePL>I just started to use hexchat
23:02<JibaBytePL>downloaded it like 5mins ago
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23:02<somiaj>JibaBytePL: it is on another irc network, so you'll have to /server chat.freenode.net, and once you are on the freenode network, you can /join #kali-linux
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23:02<somiaj>JibaBytePL: I think the kali forums would be a good place to look too, unsure if the forums or irc has better support for kali
23:04<JibaBytePL>so I click on server > channel list
23:04<JibaBytePL>and put chat.freenode.net in it?
23:06<JibaBytePL>I did do server > join channel > #kali-linux
23:07<somiaj>I don't use hex-chat, those commnad should be able to be typed into the hexchat,
23:07<JibaBytePL>but there's no one there but me
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23:07<somiaj>JibaBytePL: you need to switch servers first to irc.freenode.net
23:07<JibaBytePL>how to do that?
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23:07<awal1>toolbar -- » hechat---» servers list and check for freenode
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23:08<awal1>or just Ctrl+s
23:08<JibaBytePL>freenode has only debian related channels
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23:09<JibaBytePL>!kali-linux
23:09<JibaBytePL>!kali
23:09<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
23:09<somiaj>JibaBytePL:this ir irc.oftc.net, freenode has a lot of fdifferent channels.
23:09<JibaBytePL>when I write chat.freenode.net
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23:09<JibaBytePL>It don't find any servers
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23:11<JibaBytePL>do you guys know if it's related to nautilus version (3.20.1-3)
23:11<Casper>its in server list, no need to type aything
23:11<awal1>already told you how: Ctrl+s find freenode in te list. connect and check channels list search for kali
23:13<JibaBytePL>no #kali
23:13<JibaBytePL>in the list
23:13<awal1>kali hexchat may be different so
23:14<awal1>that's why you may know what is
23:14<JibaBytePL>what software do you use?
23:14<awal1>!based on debian
23:14<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
23:15<JibaBytePL>awal1, what software do you use to write here?
23:15<awal1>hexchat sometimes
23:15<JibaBytePL>and now?
23:16<awal1>same
23:16<JibaBytePL>oh kk
23:16<JibaBytePL>thnx for the help
23:16<JibaBytePL>have a nice day/night
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23:17<awal1>JubaBytePl, have you tried debian OS yet?
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23:20<awal1>90% of kali software is available in debian. you can run debian and use the penetration/testing software just as in kali
23:20<awal1>JibaBytePL
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23:27<JibaBytePL>I have tried it
23:27<JibaBytePL>it's nice
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23:27<JibaBytePL>but I could not find all the tools that kali provide
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23:36<awal1>kali is not for daily use/production use, if you browse the web and you use hexchat for irc or you do similar stuff on kali , you may not know what is kali or how it's built...
23:36<awal1>is like using tor + adobe/pepperflash+ hotmail :D
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23:39<sney>the kali-magic dpkg factoid is also worthwhile
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23:40<JibaBytePL>kali linux was my first distro I did get into a machine
23:40<JibaBytePL>when I was really young
23:40<JibaBytePL>Then I stopped to use it
23:40<JibaBytePL>Now I'm back to linux
23:40<JibaBytePL>Because of microsoft invasieve aproach to custommers
23:41<JibaBytePL>And I did hop to pretty much all distro's
23:41<JibaBytePL>ubuntu is a virus
23:41<JibaBytePL>After uninstall it's still there in the bios
23:41<JibaBytePL>And it spy's on you
23:41<sney>none of those things are ontopic in #debian. if you have debian support questions, ask them. if you do not, please find the correct forum for your rambling
23:41<JibaBytePL>linux mint is ok. But not so stable
23:42<JibaBytePL>arch linux is like a whole onther world to me
23:42<JibaBytePL>debian is realy nice. But I could not get every last of that software provided by kali installed onto it from the repos
23:42<JibaBytePL>and I stick now to kali
23:43<JibaBytePL>Because I did figure out on debian how to install steam on a 64bi
23:43<JibaBytePL>bit*
23:43*sney taps the mic
23:43<JibaBytePL>And it workt for kali tho
23:43<sney>JibaBytePL: again, if you are not asking a question about using debian, please chat somewhere else
23:44<JibaBytePL>ok thank you
23:44<JibaBytePL>It's not like you're busy guys
23:44<JibaBytePL>bye
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23:57<anonymous_>hi
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