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---Logopened Sun Jul 17 00:00:00 2016
00:00<tmh1999>yes I saw that one, and dead end ...
00:01<jmcnaught>are you expecting the output from the build process? what are you looking for?
00:02<tmh1999>As I said above I expect to see the configure scripts argument and package files layout
00:03<tmh1999>https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gcc-defaults&arch=s390x&ver=1.151&stamp=1462211193
00:03<tmh1999>looks like we need to click to "Maybe-Successful" ...
00:03<jmcnaught>tmh1999: you'll probably need to look at the files in /debian in the source package for that information
00:04<tmh1999>Oh really? Okay I will give it a try. Thank you jmcnaught !
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00:05<jmcnaught>tmh1999: clicking on the value in the "result" column, good eyes :)
00:06<tmh1999>costs me hours and lots of hair lol
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03:05<matt__>Hello, I came by a couple of days ago regarding a video driver issue (intel hd graphics on a laptop)
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03:05<matt__>i have tried to update from 4.5.0 to 4.6.0 and update xorg as well from testing in an attempt to solve the issue
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03:06<matt__>the kernel update seemed to have worked fine, but i lost my graphic environment now
03:06<matt__>i can still book and get a shell, but no x
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03:06<matt__>and somehow internet stopped working too
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03:06<matt__>i am not quite sure how to go from there
03:08<matt__>so any hints would be appreciated
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03:09<musca>matt__: you can select the previous kernel in the grub menu (if you didn't remove it)
03:09<matt__>it seems that gnome got uninstalled, but i'm not sure why that happened in the first place
03:10<matt__>each kernel keeps its stack of softwares?
03:10<musca>well, at least its own set of kernel modules
03:11<matt__>both 4.5.0 and 4.6.0 boot fine, the problem seems to be that i am out of gnome now
03:11<musca>for a removed gui that won't help
03:12<matt__>at some point there was a bunch of packages that were marked as "useless", to be removed with apt-get autoremove
03:12<matt__>i suppose that is what caused the problem
03:12<matt__>i remember seeing some gnome things in there but i assumed the os knew what it was doing~
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03:13<musca>this can happen when you remove one dependency of the gnome metapackage
03:14<musca>once gnome is gone all its dependencies are subject to autoremove
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03:16<matt__>ok, what do you suggest to reinstall the stack?
03:16<matt__>just find a way to get the internet connection back and install gnome?
03:16<musca>are you using stretch or sid?
03:16<matt__>testing
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03:17<musca>you can try to install gnome, but it may be gone for a reason
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03:21<coweater>xscreensaver keeps reporting my password is going to expire, but chage indicates my password never expires. what else can be the issue?
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03:39<anonymous>,,,
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03:52<__maat>http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing
03:53<__maat>is there something wrong with that first answer?
03:53<__maat>that seems to be what caused my troubles
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03:57<__maat>and if i force installing package from testing
03:57<__maat>when i try to install xserver-xorg-core/testing
03:57<__maat>"the following package will be removed: systemd"
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04:00<coweater>mixing isn't really supported. i wouldn't even attempt it for a package like xorg. if you need newer xorg you're better off not running stable
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04:01<__maat>i see
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04:02<__maat>i obtain something like this when i try to install gnome now
04:02<__maat>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26571326/how-do-i-resolve-the-following-packages-have-unmet-dependencies
04:02<__maat>"... but is not going to be installed"
04:02<__maat>even though if i run apt-cache policy the packages exist
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04:14<__maat>so coweater is there a chance that movie everything to testing would work?
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04:21<coweater>are you only using the /testing syntax to try and install packages? it seems this only pulls dependencies from stable in your config
04:23<__maat>yes
04:24<__maat>hm i thought -t testing and /testing were doing the same thing
04:24<__maat>that explains a lot :)
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04:25<coweater>yeah, the -t syntax might make pulling xorg doable. i don't have a lot of experience with this though
04:26<__maat>ok thank you
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05:06<musca>!stable/testing mix
05:06<dpkg>Given the rate of change in testing and the incompatibilities that brings, mixing stable and testing is unlikely to work for most non-trivial programs. Instead, ask me about <backports>.
05:06<musca>hmm, both of them are gone
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05:07<matt__>what do you mean?
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05:08<anoymous>wow the only one here o.o
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05:11<musca>matt__: I have seen people breaking their stable by installing one single package from testing.
05:11<musca>A known fact since debian woody
05:11<musca>!bobbitt
05:11<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Jessie, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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05:12<matt__>yes i got the point now i think :(
05:12<matt__>just trying to fix the mess now
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05:13<lindi->matt__: I'd fix such mess with 1) restore sources.list to a minimal valid configuration 2) apt-get update 3) run "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate" and go through each package that is not uptodate
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05:15<musca>when you solved the issues there are sensible ways to use newer pakages. either backports or chroot like this recipe http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt
05:16<musca>hey lindi- ;-)
05:18<lindi->hi
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05:20*pabs waves to lindi- :)
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05:21<lindi->I wish I'd have more time to Debian nowadays but have been too busy at work and had to skip debconf as well
05:22<matt__>i think i solved most of it, and came back to my initial problem of intel graphic chipset not working
05:22<matt__>i have to use fbdev to get x to work
05:22<matt__>but then i can't read videos properly
05:23<lindi->fbdev is probably horrible indeed
05:23<lindi->matt__: you could try debian testing or ubuntu livecd and see if it works there
05:24<lindi->matt__: or hmm, maybe you already did, I didn't follow the whole discussion
05:24<matt__>the way i fixed my mess was to go full testing
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05:27<musca>matt__: which intel graphics do you use?
05:27<musca>there have been some issues with the intel driver
05:28<matt__>520 i believe
05:28<matt__> - Video card: Intel HD Graphics 520
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05:29<musca>ah, integrated in skylake cpu
05:30<musca>you need firmware-misc-nonfree for those
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05:31<matt__>oh
05:33<musca>another option is removing xserver-xorg-video-intel and use the integrated modesetting driver from xserver-xorg-core
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05:34<matt__>"and use the integrated modesetting driver from xserver-xorg-core" how can i do that?
05:35<matt__>using misc-nonfree works (x starts), but same video problem as before
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05:36<musca>just restart your display-manager.service (it terminates all running gui applications)
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05:36<musca>matt__: did you upgrade to the kernel 4.6 from testing?
05:37<matt__>yes
05:37<matt__>from bpo initiallyi believe
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05:37<matt__>if i look at the xorg.0.log, the first (EE) now is failed to load module vesa
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05:39<musca>do you use a xorg.conf or some xorg.conf.d/*.conf?
05:39<musca>!empty xorg.conf
05:39<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
05:40<matt__>and i haven' set any, but there may be some
05:40<matt__>wait first i'm still trying to understand why x doesnt' start automatically at boot anymore
05:41<musca>you can paste it on http://paste.debian.net
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05:44<matt__>i don't have any /etc/x11 folder
05:47<matt__>when i boot, i end up on a prompt login with a warning:
05:47<musca>it is /etc/X11
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05:47<matt__>systemd-logind[4115]: failed to start user service, ignoring: unknown unit: user@1000.service
05:48<matt__>from there i can login and startx without problem though
05:48<musca>you are using gnome?
05:48<matt__>ops my bad sorry, i do have X11 :)
05:48<matt__>yes
05:49<matt__>does not seem to be any xorg.conf in /etc/X11
05:50<musca>not sure if you did a apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade
05:50<matt__>dist-upgrade
05:50<musca>good
05:51<matt__>apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade don't do anything anymore so i suppose i am up to date
05:51<musca>and the gnome package is installed? It should pull in the gdm3 package also
05:51<matt__>both are installed from stretch
05:51<musca>ok.
05:52<matt__>from the initil prompt gdm3 does nothing though
05:52<matt__>i successfuly launch gnome from startx
05:52<musca>please paste 'systemctl status display-manager.service' on http://paste.debian.net
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05:54<matt__>"no such interface ''"
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06:06<matt__>any clue musca ?
06:06<matt__>i'm at a loss with google
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06:07<musca>don't you get more output from systemctl status display-manager.service ?
06:07<matt__>no
06:08<matt__>sorry that's why i didn't use paste.debian.net
06:08<matt__>just that one line
06:08<musca>ok
06:08<matt__>"Failed to get properties: No such interface ''"
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06:10<musca>maybe Tabcompletion helps you: systemctl status gdm<Tab>
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06:12<matt__>"Failed to list units: No such method 'ListUnitsFiltered'"
06:12<matt__>though gdm.service and gdm3.service appear anyway
06:13<matt__>systemctl status gdm(3).service show the same error message than display-manager.sercive
06:14<matt__>http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2015-December/010092.html
06:14<matt__>maybe a similar problem
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06:17<babilen>Obviously a similar "fucked up beyond all recognition" problem caused by mixing releases
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06:18<matt__>http://paste.debian.net/782265
06:18<matt__>so it seems, apologies :(
06:19<musca>oh, you are using sysv-init with systemd-shim
06:19<matt__>sadly i have to leave for now, but i'll come back to it later
06:20<matt__>in the meantime, thank you very much for your help musca
06:20<musca>maybe you want to read up on systemd-sysv
06:20<matt__>ok i'll do that then
06:20<babilen>matt__: Is that supposed to be a testing/unstable mix system or a stable one?
06:20<matt__>stable/testing
06:20<babilen>That doesn't exist
06:21<babilen>Well, you can mix it, but it would be just broken
06:21<matt__>i was stable, started to install some testing, screwed up, migrated entirely to testing now (in theory)
06:21<babilen>Right
06:21<matt__>i really have to leave for now sorry, i'll be back later
06:21<babilen>All the best!
06:22<musca>gnome is ver near at systemd, so i think you want systemd-sysv
06:22<musca>see you laters
06:22<musca>very*
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06:25<pilari>Hello, I was wondering which filesystem should I place to backup drive
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06:26<pilari>Homeserver itself is using btrfs but perhaps the backup drive should have something less experimental
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07:01<matt__>so good news, systemd-sysv did the trick
07:01<matt__>everything seems back to normal
07:02<matt__>for the intel driver problem i guess i'll just wait for a fix to show up
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12:07<anon>i just creted .iso file from cd drive with the help of this command
12:07<anon>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso
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12:08<anon>the iso file has been autometically copied to my computer but i dont know its location
12:08<anon>where that iso file is copied ?
12:08<anon>plzz tell
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12:08<anon>dpkg:plz tell
12:08<dpkg>anon: I give up, what is it?
12:09<anon>dpkg: i just use this command
12:09<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, anon
12:09<anon>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso
12:09<anon>so my cd drive files where converted into .iso
12:09<anon>but i dont know its location
12:09<anon>dpkg: how to find it
12:09<dpkg>anon: wish i knew
12:10<anon>dpkg:yes
12:10<dpkg>anon: I don't know, could you explain it?
12:10<anon>dpkg:how can i explain it
12:10<dpkg>i don't know, anon
12:10<anon>dpkg: plz tell what dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso this command do
12:10<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, anon
12:10<anon>dpkg: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso
12:10<dpkg>anon: are you smoking crack?
12:10<anon>dpkg:dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso
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12:14<cruncher>anon, you know you are talking to a bot?
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12:14<zyley>anon, did you command dd as a root?
12:14<anon>yes
12:14<anon>i hv windows xp cd
12:15<anon>so i want it to convert it into .iso file
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12:15<anon>so i use this command
12:15<anon>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso
12:15<anon>and my iso file created and copied somewhere in pc
12:15<zyley>there is another point i come later but ...
12:15<anon>but i dont know its location where he stores by default
12:16<zyley>file is located probably in /root/ directory
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12:17<anon>how to go to that directory with terminal
12:18<anon>?
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12:18<anon>zyley: plz tell
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12:19<zyley>most likely # cd /root/ but what you do afterwards is wiser with normal priviledges
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12:20<anon>ohh i see file
12:20<anon>thank u very much
12:20<anon>zyley: why bot not answering ?
12:21<anon>zyley:and how to copy that file from that folder to download folder with terminal
12:21<anon>?
12:22<zyley>another point ... i don't how well it dd works directly from device but i would advice using "readom" command reading cd/dvd discs to iso
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12:23<anon>i see file in that directory but now i want to copy that file to download folder
12:23<anon>how to ?
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12:26<zyley> i wonder your username...exact directory is not known but is probably something like this ...# cp file /home/"username"/Download/
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12:44<lindi->zyley: "xdg-user-dir DOWNLOAD" should return it
12:44<lindi->zyley: it's most often "Downloads" and not "Download"
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14:47<classysh>hi does this even work
14:48<classysh>irc on 56k with like 2000ms of latency
14:48<Sicelo>)
14:48<classysh>irssi lag: 1.31
14:48<Sicelo>:)
14:48<Sicelo>well it's working, hehe
14:48<classysh>lel
14:48<classysh>so i'm in croatia
14:49<classysh>60km of zagreb (capital)
14:49<classysh>in some shithole
14:49<classysh>with mobile internet
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14:55<grove>!chat
14:55<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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14:56<raqall>hello
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15:49<acald3ron>i remember that the grub cant display more kernels. how cat i do this again ?
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15:53<somiaj>acald3ron: what do you mean? Grub can list different kerenls and optiosn to boot from. In debian the advanced options opens up the list of all the other kernels except for the default one
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16:00<acald3ron>nevermind.
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16:01<acald3ron>i just got this erros booting: using host bridge windows from acpi
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16:39<Velveeta_Chef>So I'm thinking my problem is DNS related
16:39<Velveeta_Chef>and if I disconnect and reconnect on Wireless, DNS works again
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18:07<huoi>have someone installed wayland? is there some howto?
18:08<huoi>would like to try out wayland as a daily driver
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18:12<adinsx>is it possible to change the keyboard shortcut for switching vte's (default is alt+fnumber or alt+left or right)? and if so how?
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18:16<huoi>adinsx: there is the tool named chvt. you can add it to shortcuts you like
18:16<adinsx>thanks
18:17<adinsx>hmm that doesnt let me *disable* the alt key combos, which is my actual goal
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18:19<huoi>adinsx: to disable add this to the xorg.conf http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34158/rebinding-disabling-ctrlaltf
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18:22<adinsx>im not using xorg
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18:22<adinsx>its not really *that* important, thanks anyway guys
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18:29<adinsx>so it seems less-than-perfect but still acceptable solution to my problem is to muck a bit with the kernel keymap
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19:53<Gwennie-Chan>I've tried putting so many different versions of debian 8 on my flash drive. None of the installs work at all. They keep saying drivers can't be loaded from removeable media. Half of the time, they want a cd-rom that's not there. Even loading the live CD doesn't work with the in-live install.
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19:56<alejandro>Gwennie-Chan: try install Debian from usb, it works for me
19:56<Gwennie-Chan>I am...
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19:57<Gwennie-Chan>I've tried so many different versions on my usb drive, the tiny images, the usb images, netinst, netboot... they all give me the same error and don't let me past.
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19:58<live>How did you put it on your drive? I have used many different Linux-Live on USB-memory and at the beginning it did not work because I did not use the right software to put it on the USB-memory
19:58<Gwennie-Chan>I've tried using LiLi, I've tried writing the image with win32diskutility, I've tried just doing the straight isos...
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20:01<alejandro>Gwennie-Chan: try using unetbootin
20:01<Gwennie-Chan>That's literally what all the forum posts say NOT to use
20:03<sney>unetbootin unpacks the iso and does weird things to it, yeah
20:04<sney>Gwennie-Chan: using any of the standard debian isos and writing directly with win32di is what works. if you're having repeat problems with that method I suggest trying a different flash drive
20:04<Gwennie-Chan>It's not the flash drive, it's that it wants a cdrom and I only have usb
20:04<alejandro>Gwennie-Chan: you're right, but unetbootin works for me
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20:05<live>I newer tried LiLi, I have used unetbootin, and Rufus, I think both of them worked for me, you can find theme here http://portableapps.com/apps
20:06<sney>the problem is not the disk write utility. the debian install isos are hybrid images that are already intended for use on flash media
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20:07<sney>and if d-i is complaining that it can't load files, and the image was a good download and was written to the flash drive normally, then the most likely cause is that the flash drive is defective/worn out
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20:09<Gwennie-Chan>the installer says it's looking for a cdrom disk to install things but there's no cdrom
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20:12<live>Try it on different computers and see if it works on them, i know on one laptop i have it only works on one of the USB-ports and none of the other port, have you made the BIOS to start with USB and not DVD or any other drive?
20:12<Gwennie-Chan>yeah, my bios has a boot menu and I always select the usb stick
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20:14<Gwennie-Chan>let's try this again!
20:14*Gwennie-Chan crosses fingers
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20:15<live>good luck,
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20:17<live>or does it bring bad luck to wish for good luck? some people seem to think so... and say "Break a leg" instead...
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20:38<Gwennie-Chan>well it's installing :)
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20:55<r4fdeb>Hi all, Please, how to fix the following issue: my video resolution suddenly has changed without any reason, for I haven't made any adjustment to permit this change. I use Debian Jessie 8.5 - amd64
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20:57<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: in X?
20:58<r4fdeb>Hi dondelelcaro, well, I use mate interface, and don't know if is any x issue
20:58<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: if so, the output of xrandr; will tell you what the resolution is currently, and you can change it there. By default, X should be using the prefered resolution IIRC
20:59<r4fdeb>ok, dondelelcaro, in this case, do I have to use root user or my common user ?
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21:00<r4fdeb>ok, it is here, dondelcaro
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21:00<r4fdeb>just one moment, please, can I paste it for you in debian paste ?
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21:03<r4fdeb>dondelelcaro, this Debian Installation is ok - http://paste.debian.net/782479/
21:03<r4fdeb>the other installation should work like this
21:03<r4fdeb>Please, how to adjust it to 1980 X 1080 ?
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21:13<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: hrm; that output shows that it's at 1920x1080
21:14<r4fdeb>I forgot to tell you I'm not using the installation with video resolution issues dondellecaro, this is ok
21:14<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: but if the one that you have isn't working, you can just run xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080; and it'll be at the same resolution
21:14<dondelelcaro>(where VGA1 is whatever the output is)
21:15<dondelelcaro>if for some reason xrandr doesn't show the right resolution, then there might be something else going on
21:16<r4fdeb>dondelelcaro, the syntax command to make this adjusment to 1920 x 1080 is: "xrandir --outuput VGA1 --mode 1920x1080" ?
21:16<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: well, without the spelling mistakes, yes.
21:16<r4fdeb>sorry, without the spelling mistakes ?
21:17<r4fdeb>oh, in xrandr
21:17<r4fdeb>so, it becomes: " xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 " ?
21:17<r4fdeb>exactly like that ?
21:18<dondelelcaro>r4fdeb: ep
21:18<dondelelcaro>err, yep.
21:19<r4fdeb>Great, dondelelcaro, I will switch to other installation in some minutes, thanks for help, hope see you here in few minutes
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21:55<kloner>My hard disk contained two LUKS-LVM-EXT4 formatted partitions. I lost my partition table. How can I recover the partitions and my data?
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21:59<Brigo>kloner, luks? are you kidding us?
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22:00<Brigo>kloner, can you access those partitions?
22:00<kloner>I believe the luks headers are intact, just the partition table is lost
22:00<Brigo>kloner, if you can, try testdisk.
22:01<Brigo>they have a very find wiki when they explain how to do things with examples, it really easy, if it works :)
22:01<kloner>Brigo, I tried testdisk, it has support for all partition types except luks :(
22:01<Brigo>kloner, :(
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22:02<kloner>The wiki page says it has support for luks, but I cant change my partition type to luks within the software
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22:03<Brigo>kloner, do you have partition backups?
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22:04<Brigo>kloner, here more advanced method: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1643334
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22:05<kloner>Brigo, I dont have any backup
22:07<ArtGravity>kloner: are your partitions in tact (and in the right place) in the table and just showing the wrong type?
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22:09<kloner>i ran testdisk, it showed partition1 (though I thought windows overwrote it), but did not show partition2
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22:13<nicolas17>I'm using PulseAudio, I connected a USB audio adapter, but sound from VLC is still coming out of my laptop's internal speakers
22:13<nicolas17>didn't try other apps yet
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22:16<nicolas17>omg
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22:16<nicolas17>I just figured out how to change it and I almost burst my eardrums
22:17<nicolas17>it's so much louder over the headphones
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22:54<kloner2>my 500GB harddisk is /dev/sdc. I want to cat the first 150 GB to grep to search for some partition header text. How can I do that?
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22:58<nicolas17>kloner2: do you know what to search for?
22:59<nicolas17>kloner2: I'm not sure what you need help with
22:59<nicolas17>just with getting the first 150GB?
23:03<ryouma>kloner2: dd can do that
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23:04<kloner2>yes, I want to search the first 150gb for headers
23:08<dondelelcaro>kloner2: you might actually be better off using parted rescue
23:09<dondelelcaro>(or one of the many other partition table rescue methods)
23:09<kloner2>dondelcaro, I tried using testdisk, but it does not seem to have recovery support for LUKS encrypted partitions
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23:10<dondelelcaro>kloner2: heh; that might be a little bit difficult, yeah
23:10<cyclone211>hola
23:10<cyclone211>pinguinos
23:10<cyclone211>:)
23:11<cyclone211>de donde don
23:11<cyclone211>son
23:11<cyclone211>???
23:11<kloner2>dondelelcaro, Is 'parted rescue' a live cd or software?
23:13<nicolas17>!es | cyclone211
23:13<dpkg>| cyclone211: Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:22<dondelelcaro>kloner2: it's part of parted
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