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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-19

---Logopened Tue Jul 19 00:00:04 2016
00:00<UniqueUser28>Maybe it is an SSL auth problem?
00:00<UniqueUser28>But it did make me verify the cert.
00:00<danielsh>what's "SSL auth"?
00:00<danielsh>anyway, your pastebin says something very simple: it tried an authn method the server doesn't support
00:01<UniqueUser28>You know how some email servers require STARTTLS?
00:01<danielsh>yes..?
00:01<UniqueUser28>That's what I meant. I don't think this server uses that though.
00:01<UniqueUser28>Do you understand the log?
00:01<danielsh>yes, I just told you what it meant.
00:02<danielsh>PLAIN is advertised, CRAM-MD5 was attempted
00:02<UniqueUser28>I've tried it with every authentication method Sylpheed offers, including auto. Do I need to install additional methods somehow?
00:02<danielsh>and unsurprisingly failed, as it's not advertised in the CAPABILITY response
00:02<danielsh>PLAIN should work
00:03<danielsh>Have you tried another client?
00:03<UniqueUser28>Well, Thunderbird on my previous system and it's working on my Android app right now.
00:04<UniqueUser28>My app has all the same settings. Auth is set to auto.
00:04<danielsh>I suggest that you try PLAIN and then check the log (ensure it doesn't still say CRAM-MD5)
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00:05<UniqueUser28>This is PLAIN: http://pastebin.com/33EemHsr
00:06<UniqueUser28>It looks like it's trying to use it.
00:07<danielsh>.oO ( shameless plug: https://github.com/danielshahaf/caste#motivation )
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00:07<danielsh>well, that could just be a wrong password
00:08<UniqueUser28>Yeah, I have tried copy pasting it over a few times and even confirmed it in text from the account file. :(
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00:08<UniqueUser28>Also confirmed the user account format and double-checked for typos.
00:08<danielsh>at this point I suggest you contact support and ask them to check things their side
00:08<danielsh>(the server log probably has a more detailed error)
00:08<UniqueUser28>Lol. I doubt I'll get in touch with anyone useful over there.
00:09<UniqueUser28>But I will try. Thanks for helping. :)
00:09<danielsh>good luck ☺
00:09<UniqueUser28>If worse comes to worse, I'll try Dovecot.
00:09<UniqueUser28>I bet that will work since Thunderbird did.
00:09<danielsh>UniqueUser28, by the way, I'm assuming that transcript is with SSL enabled
00:09<UniqueUser28>It is. Not STARTTLS.
00:10<danielsh>*nod*
00:10<UniqueUser28>Every time I try to do something simple. ;(
00:10<danielsh>may be some special character in your password...
00:10<UniqueUser28>That's an idea.
00:10<danielsh>try and get sylpheed to uncloak the ******
00:10<UniqueUser28>Nope, it's all letters and numbers.
00:11<danielsh>ASCII ones, I presume
00:11<UniqueUser28>Yes. I did check the password text in the account file, it is correct.
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00:12<danielsh>so we're back to praying that your support guys know their stuff
00:12<danielsh>with that I have to go, again, good luck
00:12<UniqueUser28>Yeah, they don't. I've talked to them before. >_>
00:12<UniqueUser28>Thanks. :)
00:12<danielsh>tell them to check the server's log for the reason of the authn error
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00:23<UniqueUser28>Danielsh: Actually, you were right. It wasn't being copied as ASCII for some reason. Manually typing did the trick. Thank you!
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00:55<uso>With sysv init on wheezy there was a target "$network" which I could use for an init script when I wanted it to be started when the network is configured. This seems not to work anymore with systemd on jessy, the script runs before the network is configured. What target do I have to use on jessie with systemd now?
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00:56<uso>(I know that I should rewrite the script as a systemd service, but I need a hotfix for now to make the server boot properly)
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01:03<jm_>did you check that kind of service file it generated for your script?
01:03<jm_>what*
01:03<jm_>it supports $network according to the docs
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01:08<uso>jm_: does systemd create service files from sysv init scripts? I always thought it runs them in a compatibility mode. How do I check if there's a service file created?
01:09<uso>it also tells me on boot at the console that it runs an LSB script
01:09<uso>something like "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf..."
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01:09<uso>which takes a while and may be part of the problem
01:09<jm_>uso: yes, find /run/systemd/generator* | grep myscript
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01:12<jm_>I see Starting LSB: Raise network interfaces, followed by Started LSB: Raise ..., followed by Starting Network. Reached target Network., ... and then it starts say squid which depends on $network
01:12<jm_>so to me it looks like it all works as it should
01:12<uso>jm_: it says "After=network-online.target", but the interface does not have an IP address at that point, so it's not ready
01:13<uso>(it gets the IP address by DHCP)
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01:14<jm_>uso: I don't have a log of a system using dhcp here, but it should get tp "Starting Network is Online." after it gets an IP
01:14<jm_>why not check the logs then
01:15<uso>so at least the "Starting LSB: Raise network interfaces" seems to be normal (not sure though why this is still be done by a sysv script, I would have expected that such a basic thing like network initialization is done by a systemd)
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01:16<jm_>debian has not migrated to systemd network config yet (at least for jessie, you can manually configure it to do so)
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01:17<uso>jm_: my script rund after "networking[241]: Configuring network interfaces...done.", but the interface still does not have an IP address at this time
01:18<uso>is there any target which guarantees that the interface has an address?
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01:22<jm_>maybe read this https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
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01:24<jm_>also, this post says network-online.target is what I imagined it to be http://baptiste-wicht.com/posts/2014/10/linux-tip-force-systemd-networkd-to-wait-for-dhcp.html
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01:26<jm_>ahh but that needs systemd-networkd-wait-online so won't work with debian :)
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01:27<uso>jm_: that's not included in jessie? and this sounded exacly like what I need, wait for dhcp to get an IP address ...
01:28<jm_>uso: it is included, it's just not used by debian by default
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01:30<uso>sounds like I have to read how systemd manages the network interfaces and have to configure that myself
01:30<jm_>you'd need to move to using systemd-networkd instead of ifupdown
01:30<jm_>common setups seem easy enough
01:32<uso>but testing network setups on a remote server isn't that much fun ;)
01:33<uso>luckily I have a virtual console, which is slow and clumsy, but without it my server would have been unreachable after the upgrade to jessie
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01:47<Nerdy>I am having trouble getting my PS3 controller to connect over bluetooth in Debian Jessie with the latest updates. Could it be missing the necessary Bluez scripts for auto-pairing and auto-connecting?
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01:53<Nerdy>Anyone alive in this channel? Or is it just that no one knows what could be my issue?
01:53*nevyn checks which bluez is in jessie
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01:54<Nerdy>Should be Bluez 5.23
01:54<Nerdy>It's 5.23-2 to be exact
01:54<nevyn>so how are you trying to pair and connect it
01:55<Nerdy>I was hoping I could get it working to the degree it is on SteamOS. I connected the controller via USB, hit the PS button, then tried disconnecting and allowing it to connect over Bluetooth
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01:56<Nerdy>After that failed. I attempted to connect manually according to https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sony_DualShock
01:56<Nerdy>However my PS3 controller would never show up in devices
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02:00<Nerdy>nevyn: How does that sound so far?
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02:47<Nerdy>Can anyone help me with connecting my PS3 controller over bluetooth on Debian Jessie?
02:47<nevyn>Nerdy:did you try using bluetoothctl
02:48<nevyn>Nerdy: after manually putting the controller in pairing mode?
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02:48<Nerdy>nevyn: What do you mean manually putting into pairing mode? Just getting the lights flashing?
02:49<nevyn>hrm ok that's a dualshock 4 thing only
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02:50<nevyn>so you do the bluetoothctl thing with the usb cable thinng decirbe on that wiki ?
02:50<nevyn>what happens then?
02:50<Nerdy>I did try bluetoothctl, but my controller wouldn't show up in devices while connected via USB. When just scanning for my controller while it was flashing it would appear very intermittently.
02:50<nevyn>Nerdy: it doesn't show up in devices connected by usb
02:50<Nerdy>The tutorial said it would at the least
02:51<nevyn>is the controller paired to anything already?
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02:51<Nerdy>It was paired to the same bluetooth controller that I am using with debian now
02:51<Nerdy>So I would think the MAC wouldn't need updating at all
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02:54<Nerdy>nevyn: I managed to connect manually only once because my controller would appear and disappear. I managed to trust with no problems, pairing wasn't terrible if I timed it while it showed connected, and then the full connection only succeeded once. No idea why it was so weird
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03:19<Nerdy>nevyn: Any other ideas?
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05:07<Ytix>I'm wondering: If there is Debian on an encrypted partition and I want to install an other Debian based distro (lets say mint debian ed.) on an other encrypted partition, which is the best way to do it?
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05:08<Ytix>Install the new distro, overwrite the boot partition (which will not recognize the older debian on the encrypted partition for multiboot) and tweak grub cfg afterwards?
05:11<Ytix>I mean if I put the appropriate lines from the old grub cfg, it should show it as multiboot and boot also into the older distro on the encrypted partition (although I read about chrooting into the older debian and let's grub refresh).
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05:16<kloner2>I had a truecrypt partition in my hard drive, but I lost my partition table. I have the passphrase. How can I recover this partition?
05:18<Ytix>kloner2 Which way was it formatted, ext4, ntfs,etc?
05:19<kloner2>Isnt truecrypt a filesystem itself? If not, it must be ext4. I always use ext4 by default
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05:20<cusco>use testdisk to get you partition table back
05:21<kloner2>truecrypt partitions dont have a recognisable header. Testdisk cant find it
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05:21<cusco>ow
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05:22<kloner2>truecrypt partition header is encrypted. I have to know the beginning of the tc partition and mount it manually using the passphrase
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05:22<grawity>well
05:22<grawity>if you can get *other* partitions back
05:22<grawity>like the partition before it, and the partition after it
05:23<grawity>that narrows down the search area to just a few sectors
05:23<grawity>assuming the disk space was fully allocated before
05:23<kloner2>I got the partition after it, and I know the approx size of the tc partition.
05:24<kloner2>I dont have the partition before it, so I have to do trial and error
05:25<kloner2>I experimented with zuluCrypt-cli and veracrypt, command line tools to mount truecrypt partitions - 1) I created a truecrypt partition of 10mb in a usb drive 2) I copied 10Mb of the partition using dd to a file, and tried to mount this file using zulu or vera, it mounted successfully 3) When i copied 9Mb or less of the partition to a file, and tried to mount it using zulu or vera, it fails citing "ERROR: Device mapper"
05:25<kloner2>Looks like I have to know the exact size of the partition to decrypt it.
05:27<s_20_>grawity: also, GPT should help you there, unless both the primary and secondary partition header were lost
05:27<s_20_>oops, wrong person
05:28<s_20_>with gdisk you can recover the primary from the secondary (and vice versa)
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05:29<kloner2>s_20_ primary and secondary partition header of what?
05:29<s_20_>the GPT?
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05:29<s_20_>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
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05:32<kloner2>s_20_ My bro formatted linux to windows. I am not sure if the secondary partition header would be still there.
05:33<s_20_>unless the size of the partitions was changed i don't see why not
05:34<s_20_>also, windows utilities *should* honour things like updating partition tables as well
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05:35<kloner2>he deleted the old partition table having 5 partitions, and created a new one with 3 partitions
05:35<grawity>s_20_: the person installing windows, on the other hand...
05:35<grawity>oh the old disk had some stuff on it *clickety click* now it doesn't
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05:38<kloner2>s_20_ Is secondary GPT header stored at the end of the hard drive?
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05:56<s_20_>kloner2: you may want to check out that WP article
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06:00<kloner2>s_20_ WP says the secondary header is at the end of the disk. Gparted shows my current partition table as "msdos". Does msdos also write a backup header at the end of the disk?
06:00<jm_>he doesn't use GPT
06:01<s_20_>jm_: ok
06:01<s_20_>kloner2: in that case, none of that applies
06:02<kloner2>my previous partition table was GPT with Linux in it, but overwritten by windows OS, and msdos partition table
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06:03<jm_>ahh OK you didn't mention this yesterday :)
06:03<kloner2>I did not know GPT could help. I was focusing on how to mount truecrypt volume manually by trial and error
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06:04<kloner2>Can I be saved in this situation?
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06:08<jm_>tried using say gdisk to load the backup?
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06:10<s_20_>kloner2: if your ran windows setup in uefi mode windows (starting from vista on i think) will also use GPT
06:10<s_20_>at least on 64bit machines
06:10<kloner2>I am trying gdisk now
06:11<kloner2>It asks "Found valid MBR and GPT. Which one do you want to use?"
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06:12<s_20_>the MBR is usually there so that legacy operating systems don't get confused
06:12<kloner2>Is the GPT it refers is the one located at the end of the disk?
06:12<s_20_>i don't know? i can't see what it says on your screen
06:13<s_20_>if you let it "verify" the disk it will tell you i think
06:13<grawity>primary GPT is immediately after MBR; backup GPT is at the end
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06:14<kloner2>I believe primary GPT is overwritten by the new install
06:14<jm_>check if it can tell you with 'i' or somesuch, I don't have gpt system here to check myself
06:14<jm_>(tried to use it on this system but it didn't boot so I switched it to legacy)
06:15<kloner2>Is the MBR refering to the MBR written by the new windows install?
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06:16<jm_>MBR is master boot record, first sector on disk
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06:17<jm_>dos partition is stored there (except for logical drives)
06:17<kloner3>I chose MBR and typed "p" (print partition table). It showed the current partitions
06:18<kloner3>I chose GPT next and typed "p". It does not show any partition
06:18<jm_>yeah try telling it to use GPT, then go into recovery mode and see if you can load backup one and what it shows
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06:19<kloner3>GPT does not show any partition. It shows free space=931GB
06:19<jm_>even if you load the backup one?
06:19<kloner3>how do I load? I just saw the partitions in MBR and GPT without writing to disk
06:20<grawity>anything newer than WinXP supports GPT, so if you deleted the partitions through Windows, it deleted them from both GPTs
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06:20<jm_>good point
06:21<kloner3>so I cant use GPT to recover my old partition table?
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06:23<jm_>man gdisk says r and c
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06:23<jm_>normally both will be in sync and I think gdisk warns if that's not the case so probably the answer is no
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06:25<kloner3>If windows install did change the GPT secondary header, I should be seeing the windows partitions. But I am not seeing any partitions, it is just black
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06:26<jm_>by that logic it should not touch primary either
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06:27<grawity>only buggy programs would have changed the primary GPT but not secondary
06:28<kloner3>jm_ It can touch primary because the partitions are deleted and new partitions created
06:29<jm_>kloner3: really, it should touch both (gdisk does mention some case when it doesn't do that for example)
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06:34<kloner3>Previously I used testdisk to recover an ext4 partition. Would that have changed the GPT secondary header?
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06:38<anonymous>hi
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06:39<mate>kloner3: And did you do it ? ;)
06:39<mate>partitions alright?
06:39<anonymous>salut
06:40<mate>salut
06:40<anonymous>cva ??
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06:41<kloner3>mate hi, you saved me yesterday. Save me once more :)
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06:42<kloner3>I had a truecrypt partition in my hard drive, but I lost my partition table. I have the passphrase. How can I recover this partition?
06:43<kloner3>I tried to recover my previous GPT partition table, but it seems to be gone
06:45<Gabriel_7>kloner3, Iterate over every block of your disk. Set the partition at starting at this block and try to open your partition. ?
06:46<jm_>also see you in august :)
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06:47<duclicsic>"The standard volume header uses the first 512 bytes of the TrueCrypt container. It contains the master keys needed to decrypt the volume. If the header gets corrupted or the container reformatted, TrueCrypt will display Incorrect password or not a TrueCrypt volume.. Using a backup of the volume header is the only possibility to recover the data."
06:47<duclicsic>if you've lost that, you can't recover it. sorry.
06:47<grawity>well, it's not lost in the sense of 'gone'
06:47<grawity>it's more likely lost in the sense of 'unknown location'
06:48<grawity>but, I guess, after a windows reinstall that's not 100% guaranteed.
06:48<duclicsic>i read "lost" as in "gone" in this case, maybe he can clarify
06:48<mate>kloner3: Testdisk can do that, cant it ?
06:48<mate>we saw yesterday its not able to recover LUKS partitions
06:48<mate>but if i remember correctly it can ... truecrypt
06:48<kloner3>duclicsic the truecrypt partition and headers are there. Only the partition table entries are lost
06:49<duclicsic>right
06:49<mate>kloner3: youre really good at messing up part tables you know that?
06:49<kritzefitz>duclicsic: As I understand it, the partition table is gone. If only the partition table is gone, the partitions (and thus their headers) may be fine.
06:49<duclicsic>how on earth did you manage that?
06:49<duclicsic>actually don't answer
06:49<kloner3>so I dont know exactly where the tc partition starts or ends, but I know its size and approximate location
06:49<mate>testdisk restores the part table in this case i guess.
06:49<Gabriel_7>Yes you juste need to find where's your partition…
06:49<duclicsic>this is off-topic for the channel imo, but go ahead
06:49<Gabriel_7>which might not be very easy.
06:50<mate>was not offtopic yesterday or maybe you were sleeping i think this is called a support channel
06:50<duclicsic>mate: support for debian
06:50<kritzefitz>I don't know about truecrypt, but LUKS partitions aren't find by testdisk.
06:50<mate>ah yes well truecrypt is not around anymore
06:50<kloner3>I am using debian, help me
06:50<kritzefitz>s/find/found/
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06:51<mate>well kloner3: testdisk. try that first.
06:51<jm_>to make it short - motherboard died, computer was taken to a repair center where they installed windows ...
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06:51<kloner3>mate: tried testdisk first, but it could not find truecrypt
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06:51<mate>everything else will be messy if you dont know the offsets. btw i'd recommend copying everything from that partition to save it
06:51<jm_>nuking partition table (gpt apparently) in the process
06:51<kloner3>truecrypt headers are encrypted so there is no pattern to match
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06:51<mate>damn. well then you could try the same like yesterday with addpart
06:51<jm_>we managed to recover one partition yesterday
06:52<mate>find the beginning yourself
06:52<Gabriel_7>kloner3, http://superuser.com/questions/274837/detect-the-presence-of-a-truecrypt-volume-inside-a-partition
06:52<Gabriel_7>https://github.com/stephenjudge/TCHunt
06:52<mate>kloner3: In any case, backup your data as soon as you can access it.
06:53<mate>truecrypt can not decrypt the partition on the fly so you need to do that anyway.
06:53<kloner3>I experimented with zuluCrypt-cli and veracrypt, command line tools to mount truecrypt partitions - 1) I created a truecrypt partition of 10mb in a usb drive 2) I copied 10Mb of the partition using dd to a file, and tried to mount this file using zulu or vera, it mounted successfully 3) When i copied 9Mb or less of the partition to a file, and tried to mount it using zulu or vera, it fails citing "ERROR: Device mapper" Looks like I have to know the exact
06:53<kloner3>size of the file to decrypt it.
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06:57<mate>kloner3: i just read something about an app called TestCrypt
06:57<mate>maybe this is of help
06:58<mate>and btw i still am convinved you can do this with testdisk
06:58<mate>just choose filesystem none and advanced mode and start cracking!
06:59<kloner3>mate I ll try testdisk one more time. But I am not sure, as testdisk did not even find LUKS yesterday. I had to manually grep search for LUKS header
07:00<mate>i know. you advanced mode you have to fiddle a bit there
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07:00<mate>you=use
07:02<kloner3>mate: which partition table to select - Intel or EFI GPT?
07:04<mate>EFI
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07:05<kloner3>Expert mode: Yes/No ?
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07:06<mate>yes
07:06<mate>-->query
07:06<kloner3>Align partition: yes/no?
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07:16<Iridos>are you remote-installing his system? some kind of cpip?
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07:27<kloner2>Can I be able to recreate the old partitions using gparted. I know the sizes - 1st partition was 200Mb, 2nd was 80Gb and third was truecrypt partition of 50Gb. Will it align along the same sectors, or will there be mismatch? The previous partitions were created using Linux installer.
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07:28<jm_>so why not create them with the installer again?
07:29<kloner2>jm_ good idea. Can I just create partitions and quit without having to install?
07:30<jm_>kloner2: it should be possible at least in expert mode
07:30<jm_>but I would make a backup in any case
07:31<MarkedOne>kloner2: yeah you can interrupt it after changes are written to disk..
07:31<MarkedOne>even in "standard" installation
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07:32<jm_>yeah I seem to recall it asks you before it runs mkfs but I did it a while ago so ...
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07:39<kloner2>I created a partition by entering 200MB, but the installer shows "primary 199.2 MB"
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07:45<MarkedOne>kloner2 this is "problem" with power of 2 and power of 10.. like wether kB has 1000B or 1024B
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07:47<MarkedOne>i think... when you guess right size for partition... manager detects that there is something.. and gives you chance to "format or keep existing data" if you miss correct size, or possition.. partition will seems to be empty... so this could be "way" of knowing if you guess sizes right
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07:50<MarkedOne>so try to experiment with sizes.. just dont write changes to disk until you are sure..
07:50<MarkedOne>kloner2: ^
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07:56<kloner2>MarkedOne: it created the partition and started installing without asking me, i rebooted immediately
07:58<MarkedOne>kloner2: no way it did it without asking you
07:58<MarkedOne>there should be confirmation dialog see here https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2013/10/04/how-to-configure-software-raid1-during-installation-process/
07:58<MarkedOne>step 5
08:00<MarkedOne>not exactly becouse it was creating raid.. but similar after you select "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk"
08:00<MarkedOne>because*
08:01<kloner2>It asked one yes/no for creating the partition and installing filesystem
08:02<jm_>and you said yes to create fs?
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08:04<kloner2>yes
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08:04<jm_>well duh
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08:08<cristiano>ola bom dia
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08:12<Iridos>MarkedOne, only... if you divide 200 million by (1024*1024), you end up with 190
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08:17<grawity>maybe it's like with "1.44" floppy disks
08:18<grawity>which are 1.41 if you count by 1024, but 1.47 if you count by 1000
08:18<MarkedOne>Iridos: hmm true... so it shuld be 190,73 dunno why it shows 199.2 MB
08:19<Iridos>different sector sizes
08:21<MarkedOne>I wish everything will be in power of 2 in IT.. i am tired of that something is in power of 10... lan speed, disk sizes, everything in my opinion should be in power 2
08:22<Iridos>I wish everything would be to the power of 13 :-}
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08:24<MarkedOne>Iridos :D I said in IT...
08:24<Iridos>salaries?
08:24<MarkedOne>:D
08:24<MarkedOne>also >D
08:26<Iridos>it's those bloody americans... they want to switch from their farenheit and furlongs and inches ... directly to 2^N ... anything, as long as it's not metric
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08:31<MarkedOne>Iridos.. I don't understand what do you mean :). Anyway I am not american. I hate inches, bars, farenheit, galons and other stupid units... But computers operates in base of 2 so it seems to me logical that internet speeds and data sizes should be in 2 ^ N always..
08:32<ansgar>MarkedOne: Only if people don't use 2^10 or other semi-decimal cheats.
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08:33<ansgar>n * 2^8 bytes/s, n * 2^16 bytes/s -> okay; but n * 2^10 -> bad.
08:33<grawity>how is that "semi-decimal cheat"?
08:34<Iridos>what about 2^2^10
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08:35<MarkedOne>n * 2 ^ 10 -> is good = n * 10 G?
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08:36<Sicelo>i think i have found a bug in Jessie's KDE - how would i know if it has been reported already, ahd how do i even go about reporting it?
08:36<grawity>bugs.debian.org and reportbug
08:39<ansgar>Iridos: Also bad.
08:39<MarkedOne>ansgar: i think i understand semi-decimal cheats.. 10 ^ 3 = is 1000 so kilo... in binary 2 ^ 3 = 8 should be kilo? and not 2 ^ 10 = 1024 kilo?
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08:48<inkbottle>Hi, I have a discrepancy between the sound volume used by mplayer (or any application), and the one used by firefox and chromium: The volume of the second is likely to permanently damage my ears
08:48<inkbottle>have anyone observed that; found a fix?
08:49<grawity>is that with pulseaudio or alsa?
08:49<inkbottle>pulseaudio
08:49<grawity>maybe you had jacked up the volume of chromium in pavucontrol or something
08:50<grawity>if "flat-volumes" is disabled, try enabling it. (and, I guess, vice versa? or not.)
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08:50<grawity>er, I mean, try disabling it, if it's enabled.
08:50<inkbottle>ok...
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08:55<inkbottle>grawity: I do not have pavucontrol, maybe because I use KDE; however your tips gave me hints: and I'm presently working on it (seems like there is kind of per application volume)
08:55<grawity>there is.
08:55<grawity>in KDE kmix does the same thing
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08:58<inkbottle>ok...
08:58<inkbottle>grawity: I haven't found the flat-volume thing however
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09:01<Gabriel_7>inkbottle, the flat volume is in the conf files (/etc/pulse/daemon.conf) but your problem is probably related to the per-application-volume feature
09:01<grawity>flat-volumes *does* have ear-destructive tendencies
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09:04<inkbottle>Gabriel_7: grawity: What I did is, have the application running, then go in Settings (kde); Then the application was visible there (cubebutils); and I could set the volume
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09:05<inkbottle>when I later came back in firefox after turning it off, removing cookies... the volume remained as I had set it
09:05<Gabriel_7>grawity, yes I disable flat-volumes for this reason and still wonder how people can live with it… (ear-destruction)
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09:06<Gabriel_7>But apparently, most people manage to use it without having their earphone screaming at them…
09:06<inkbottle>Gabriel_7: grawity: I went in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and there the flat-volume thing is commented out...
09:06<inkbottle>is there other config files?
09:07<Gabriel_7>inkbottle, the per app volume should be visible in kmix
09:07<inkbottle>in fact all lines are commented out
09:07<Gabriel_7>The commented out lined tells you the defaults (i.e. flat-volumes = yes)
09:07<inkbottle>Gabriel_7: OK
09:09<inkbottle>Gabriel_7: flat-volume=yes (is it good or is it bad?, which of them is ear preservation friendly)
09:10<inkbottle>is there a per-user version of /etc/pulse/daemon.conf?
09:11<grawity>~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf
09:12<inkbottle>OK
09:12<inkbottle>there https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio they say "no" is the good thing
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09:21<inkbottle>I've set the flat-volumes=no then set the cubebutils volume to 100; the sound of youtube is loud but maybe less life threatening than it was; though the sound of the beginning music of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB7NKG-n7ZA is quite loud
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09:28<knackko>Hi people, got an issue with programs like firefox or apt-get to start when using several second ip adresses (more than 60000 for load tests), it results in segfault (kernel error 6 in messages), it occurs even when those ips are on eth0 or eth1
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09:30<knackko>ip addresses are added with ip addr (on Jessie)
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09:34<Gabriel_7>grawity, hmm I did not know that !
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09:37<mate>well i tried asking a mutt specific question in #mutt on freenode but those guys are not very helpful they're just idling.. is here anyone who can help on mutt?
09:38<Gabriel_7>inkbottle, yes flat-volumes=no is the non-default but not dangerous option
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09:44<narcan>mate: ask your question
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09:45<inkbottle>Gabriel_7: thanks; I'm also looking into ~/.config/pulse/*-stream-volumes.tdb to see if I can have a more secure setting on the per-application volume (it is the file which gave a positive match with grep cubebutils)
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09:50<MarkedOne>Guyz.. i am looking on fdisk report... you can see it here http://pastebin.com/WQudm89k How is it possible that partition 5 is not aligned? Partitions were created by debian installer..
09:51<MarkedOne>*at
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09:54<MarkedOne>is it bad report by fdisk?
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09:57<cat6>I get a bit choppy quality at playing youtube html5 video at 1080p in fullscreen mode. I am using noveau drivers and debian stable. A now pretty old core2duo and geforce 7950 gx2 graphics card. No SSD. 8 gb ram. Besides upgrading hardware, do you think there could be something in my OS/software setup that could speed things up? Would using proprietary nvidia drivers speed it up? using another browser than firefox which I am using now? If hardware;
09:57<cat6>what matters most? CPU or gfxcard or SSD?
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09:58<sney>proprietary nvidia drivers might help though right now I don't remember if there's still an available version for pre-8xxx series
09:58<sney>!nvidia legacy
09:58<dpkg>The Nvidia proprietary 304.125 legacy driver supports the GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx GPUs, which are no longer supported by the Nvidia proprietary unified driver. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. See also <nouveau>.
09:58<sney>oh, there is. ok.
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10:00<sney>a c2d with conventional hard drive and intel graphics - for instance - should have no particular issue playing hd video so yours should be ok, hardware wise, it's just that nouveau is missing a lot of hw accel features.
10:00<sney>cat6: ^
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10:01<cat6>Thanks. Ok so it seems I have no choice but to use proprietary drivers then if I want it to work.
10:02<cat6>:-/
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10:07<MarkedOne>anybody who can help me explain fdisk warning?
10:08<inkbottle>I've got that somehow conflicting result: $ tdbdump ~/.config/pulse/*-stream-volumes.tdb|grep -i cubeb; pacmd list-sink-inputs\\ key(41) = "sink-input-by-application-name:CubebUtils"\\ 0 sink input(s) available.
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10:11<inkbottle>I must be out; see you
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10:22<cat6>sney: I really don't want to install proprietary drivers but there is no other way right? And do you feel pretty sure installing them will fix the problem?
10:23<musca>MarkedOne: Line 3 of your paste: Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
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10:24<MarkedOne>yeah... 4096 is real sector size and 512 is reported and used by system.. and there is no way to force 4096 as no ona can replace firmware on HDD
10:25<MarkedOne>wish you nice day musca :)
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10:42<tux>as per https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html
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10:43<Guest3644>is aptitude still the recommended package manager? It wasn't installed by default.
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10:43<frfc4>is aptitude still the recommended package manager? It wasn't installed by default.
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10:48<MarkedOne>frfc4 It probably doesn't matter.. in my opinion pick one and stick with it.
10:48<Sicelo>all are fine afaik .. use what you like best. dpkg/apt are always there .. not sure about aptitude
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10:48<frfc4>I've always liked aptitude, and the manual does recommend it.
10:48<frfc4>i was curious why it wsnt installed by default as it always seems to been.
10:50<MarkedOne>frfc4 aptitude is just wrapper around apt.. so probably there is no need to have it installed by default.. who wants it can install it.. :)
10:50<zyley>weird, are you using stable?
10:51<frfc4>why does it say this " aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian GNU/Linux systems, and is described in aptitude, Section 8.1.3. "
10:52<frfc4>Stretch, zyley
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10:53<bremner>I have a 10 page pdf document that was (badly) scanned, and I want to crop the pages. What's a non-painful way of doing that?
10:53<zyley>maybe there was dependency problem, it has happen in the past
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10:53<bremner>if only simple-scan could read an existing pdf, that would be perfect.
10:53<Sicelo>frfc4: anyone can edit the wiki .. i am not saying that statement is incorrect
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10:55<carel_>hi all
10:56<carel_>anyone think they can help me with connection issues to chat.freenode.net from irssi on debian 8
10:57<Sicelo>bremner: scribus probably .. not sure how 'non-painful' it will be for you :)
10:57<Sicelo>carel_: try us :)
10:57<carel_>ok
10:57<carel_>as you can see i can use irssi to chat
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10:57<carel_>so irssi works
10:58<carel_>and my corporate network does not block any ports
10:58<carel_>other wise i would not be able to chat with you
10:58<Sicelo>bremner: or gimp :-/
10:58<grawity>then maybe they're blocking hosts, not ports
10:59<grawity>maybe they're whitelisting OFTC for some reason
10:59<grawity>maybe you should explain what issues exactly you're having
10:59<carel_>i also get a connection refused error when trying to connect to chat.freenode.net
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10:59<carel_>ok
10:59<Sicelo>carel_: trying to connect via ssl?
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10:59<carel_>both ssl and non ssl
11:00<Sicelo>okay
11:00<carel_>let me start from the beginning
11:00<carel_>i installed irssi with apt-get
11:01<carel_>no issues there
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11:01<carel_>i can start irssi
11:01<carel_>no issues
11:01<carel_>i can join other servers
11:01<carel_>like oftc for example
11:01<carel_>where we are chatting now
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11:02<grawity>have you tried several different freenode servers, and/or ports, and/or TLS connection?
11:02<carel_>but cannot get to freenode
11:02<Sicelo>what grawity said ^^
11:02<carel_>yes i have
11:02<carel_>no luck at all
11:02<grawity>yes to all three?
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11:02<carel_>even tried ip addesses
11:02<carel_>yes to all three questions
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11:03<duclicsic>carel_: if you do 'telnet chat.freenode.net 6667' does it just time out, or do you get some output?
11:03<Sicelo>try different ports too
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11:03<carel_>yes
11:03<grawity>so perhaps your workplace is blocking freenode specifically, or something
11:03<duclicsic>it times out?
11:03<grawity>have you talked with the network admins about this?
11:04<carel_>i have doene a mrt to the freenode address
11:04<carel_>no issues
11:04<carel_>i have not tried telnet
11:04<grawity>to which address?
11:04<carel_>dumb move from me
11:04<carel_>will try noe
11:04<carel_>*now
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11:05<duclicsic>i jumped in half way through here.. first check is does it resolve, and does it match what it resolves to for the rest of is
11:05<duclicsic>us*
11:07<carel_>http://paste.debian.net/783180/
11:07<carel_>please check if you get the same
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11:08<grawity>run `traceroute --tcp 193.219.128.49`, try both with --port=6667 and without
11:09<grawity>curious what you get
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11:11<carel_>http://paste.debian.net/783182/
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11:13<grawity>same with --port=6667?
11:13<duclicsic>carel_: all looks fine
11:13<carel_>yip
11:13<grawity>hmm
11:14<carel_>i also get to their host with the traceroute if i specify the port
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11:14<carel_>its so flippen wierd
11:14<duclicsic>so what happens if you try that telnet command i suggested above?
11:14<carel_>why would it do this
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11:20<carel_>http://paste.debian.net/783187/
11:20<carel_>so im getting a reply when hitting the ssl connections
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11:21<carel_>could it be that the freenode host is not getting the expected cert responce
11:21<duclicsic>most of those suggest it actually rejected the tcp connection
11:21<grawity>cert response?
11:21<duclicsic>meaning you sent a SYN, it sent a RST
11:22<grawity>there *is* no "cert response" for non-ssl connections
11:22<carel_>ok
11:22<grawity>so if SSL works, try using that
11:22<duclicsic>so.. either that freenode host doesn't like you...
11:22<grawity>"/server -ssl sendak.freenode.net 6697"
11:23<carel_>let me clear up my english... i apologise its not my first language
11:23<duclicsic>or something is forcefully interfering
11:23<grawity>I wonder if other networks have the same problem
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11:23<carel_>the ports that respond to my telnet are the ssl ports
11:24<carel_>the ports not respondien is the non ssl ports
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11:24<duclicsic>are you connecting through any kind of firewall or security gateway?
11:24<carel_>am i missing something on my side.... maybe the cert it is looking for
11:25<duclicsic>something that does traffic inspection...
11:25<grawity>um, *what* cert?
11:25<grawity>there is no 'cert' for non-ssl ports
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11:25<grawity>so the non-ssl ports cannot *possibly* be broken because of some 'cert'
11:25<carel_>yes... i go throug my laptop firewall then a gateway for the vlan then the cisco firewall
11:26<duclicsic>i'd probably try sniffing one of my connection attempts, or using hping3, to look at the ttl of the RST packets you get back for the failed connections.. see if it's consistent with the number of hops between you and the server
11:27<carel_>ok
11:27<carel_>i will do that
11:27<duclicsic>if the ttl looks like it has only come a couple of hops, it suggests some firewall or other device is forcing the connection closed
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11:28<carel_>ok
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11:28<duclicsic>e.g. hping3 -S -p 6697 -c 1 193.219.128.49
11:28<duclicsic>i get a ttl on the return packet of 48
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11:28<carel_>let me try
11:28<duclicsic>consistent with a starting value of 64
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11:29<duclicsic>it's a long shot, but worth a look
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11:30<carel_>HPING 193.219.128.49 (eth0 193.219.128.49): S set, 40 headers + 0 data bytes
11:30<carel_>len=46 ip=193.219.128.49 ttl=45 DF id=0 sport=6697 flags=SA seq=0 win=29200 rtt=184.6 ms
11:31<duclicsic>ok, that looks legit
11:31<duclicsic>but it's also a SYN/ACK
11:31<duclicsic>suggesting it wouldn't have rejected the connection
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11:32<carel_>Why would it reject
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11:33<duclicsic>it didn't
11:33<duclicsic>that response is an acceptance
11:33<grawity>the 6697 works fine with telnet, too
11:33<grawity>it's the port 6667 that doesn't
11:33<grawity>though, if 6697 works, why aren't you just using it?
11:33<duclicsic>ok, same test with 6667 then?
11:33<duclicsic>i have to go
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11:34<carel_>PING 193.219.128.49 (eth0 193.219.128.49): S set, 40 headers + 0 data bytes
11:34<carel_>len=46 ip=193.219.128.49 ttl=254 id=60410 sport=6667 flags=RA seq=0 win=512 rtt=8.8 ms
11:35<carel_>so the ttl is a whole lot more now
11:35<grawity>yep, firewall
11:35<carel_>ok
11:35<grawity>ttl of 254 means it's at most 1 hop away
11:36<grawity>so... use ssl?
11:36<carel_>let me see if i can get the network blokes to answer me on this one
11:36<Sicelo>fwiw, I'm in South Africa .. and from my work network also can't access port 6667, but can 6697.
11:36<Sicelo>carel_: ^
11:36<Sicelo>that's why i use ssl for all my IRC'ing
11:36<carel_>what did you do to get the ssl wrking
11:36<grawity>other than giving the -ssl option to /server?
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11:36<Sicelo> /connect -ssl chat.freenode.net 6697
11:37<carel_>please have a look in your ~/.irssi/config file ... what is the setup for freenode
11:37<carel_>i would like to compare with mine
11:37<grawity>there *is* no special setup
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11:38<carel_>ok
11:38<Sicelo>does the above /connect work or not for you?
11:38<carel_>me try
11:38<grawity>it's literally just port = "6697"; use_ssl = "yes";
11:38<carel_>not
11:38<grawity>well, go talk to your network people then
11:38<grawity>maybe they really don't like freenode
11:39<Sicelo>i thought it was said he can reach 6697? :-/
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11:39<Sicelo>i admit i haven't followed the discussion for a bit
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11:39<carel_>6697 yes.... but get connection rfused
11:40<carel_>6667 no... telnet does not answer that call
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11:42<Sicelo>one more problem with south african ip addresses - some of them are in spam lists :)
11:42<Sicelo>maybe that is just his problem :p
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12:35<fredl>hmm curious about something... when I see inet6 addr: fe80::21f:d0ff:feae:f833/64, how many ip6 addresses are that really?
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12:37<SynrGy>fredl: somewhat offtopic and trivally answerable with google query "how many ipv6 addresses in a /64"
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12:37<SynrGy>fredl: does this relate to a debian support question?
12:38<SynrGy>not to mention also crossposted across two networks :(
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12:51<grawity>fredl: that's exactly one address with netmask – not a network address
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12:52<grawity>fredl: but, a /64 is 2^(128-64) addresses, more or less
12:53<bremner>Sicelo: I guess I was looking for something less painful than pdftk burst, 10 files with gimp, pdftk cat which is what I ended up doing ;)
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13:29<hdi>Hi guys. Icedove has been crashing on me constantly in the past few weeks. I saw a lot of people have reported the issue (on Debian lists and bug tracker). But I can't seem to find a workaround, or an expected fix time. Anyone know more about this? It's very annoying
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13:33<hdi>e.g. see: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=icedove+crash&t=ffab&df=m&ia=web
13:34<hdi>It also makes me wonder what email clients most Debian users use... Apparently many must be using things other than IceDove for this severe bug to go unfixed for a few weeks.
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13:35<bremner>hdi: if you're using debian stable, was there a recent update to icedove?
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13:36<hdi>bremner, yes I'm using stable, and the update was a few weeks ago to icedove ... since than lots of random crashes, exactly as described by other users also. (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=yes&src=icedove#_0_2_4)
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13:38<hdi>is there a specific IRC channel for IceDove?
13:39<bremner>maybe #debian-mozilla ?
13:39<hdi>bremner, thanks let me try
13:39<bremner>although tbh, I don't think anyone can help you if your whole report is "I'm unhappy"
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13:43<hdi>bremner, it's not "I am unhappy". I said I have the exact same issue reported in these two bugs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=829188 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069. Exact same version and under exact same conditions. A whole bunch of people have confirmed the bug already, that's why I'm just referring to the bug-ids. My main question is about the resolution, as that is not mentioned at all.
13:43<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/829188 in icedove (open): «SEGVs too frequently (~every other day)»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-07-01; last modified: 2016-07-18.
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13:44<bremner>well, yes. If there was a resolution it would be in the bug.
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13:46<hdi>I guess my meta-question is to know how to handle this situation. I've tried all the normal things I could think of (e.g. reseting the profile, disabling addons, etc). My email-client crashing is more than an annoyance. Should I switch to another email client?
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13:47<hdi>Should I bypass the repository and build from source?
13:47<hdi>How would a more experienced Debian User handle this situation?
13:47<bremner>how would building from source help? do you think this problem is Debian specific?
13:48<hdi>bremner, I think so, majority of reports I've seen are for 'IceDove 45 random crash' and not many on 'Thunderbird 45 random crash' when I've Googled.
13:49<bremner>interesting.
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13:49<bremner>I can't really advise on choice of mail client; I do know several people switched away from thunderbird/icedove recently because of it's support status.
13:50<bremner>hdi: you could try the upstream binary and see if it crashes less.
13:51<hdi>bremner, thanks. I'll try. In general, is there a sense on what client most users use? Evolution? Some text-based? Webmail?
13:52<bremner>the people I know switched to mutt (text-based) but I don't claim it's a general phenomenon
13:53<fngill>i am very happy with kmail
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13:57<hdi>fngill, are you running KDE?
13:57<fngill>yes
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13:58<hdi>fngill, does it also support calendar, or is that a separate app? (I'm looking at: https://www.kde.org/applications/internet/kmail/)
13:58<soulseek>hello
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14:00<fngill>calendar is included in kontact
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14:04<hdi>thanks
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14:12<hdi>stats from https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php : icedove used regularly by 7%, evolution 5%, mutt 25% !, kmail no stats (not sure why), claws+geary <1%
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14:15<musca>MarkedOne: I think you should talk to #debian-boot about the misalignment
14:15<MarkedOne>musca thanks :)
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14:29<kloner2>How much space does the header of a ntfs partition occupy?
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14:37<grawity>just the header?
14:37<grawity>or header + MFT + the rest of 'system' info?
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15:02<fngill>is it possible to create a ecryptfs-home-dir for a user without a gui?
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15:07<musca>!ecryptfs
15:07<dpkg>eCryptfs (Enterprise Cryptographic Filesystem) is a POSIX-compliant encrypted filesystem, part of the Linux kernel since version 2.6.19. The userland utilities are packaged for Debian as ecryptfs-utils. https://launchpad.net/ecryptfs #ecryptfs on irc.oftc.net. Not to be confused with <encfs>.
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15:12<fngill>yes, i've installed ecryptfs-utils on 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux, with kde-full installation, but the ERROR-Message i got, was a missing keyring. what keyring?
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15:12<inkbottle>[OT] On my laptop (Lenovo X230), I have a slot for a sim card (I've never used it). Are there open source implementations of phone call protocols, making and receiving?
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15:14<inkbottle>I mean, since I've got the hardware, what prevents me from using my laptop as a phone (real, no voip)
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15:23<doesntmatter>greetings. Does a router needs to be on the same subnet as the machines ? i have a router that has the ip address 169.254,16.7
15:23<doesntmatter>and it works
15:24<doesntmatter>im trying to find other routers on the networ to acess the dns servers
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15:41<musca>doesntmatter: you only can reach hosts on your own subnet. Thus the name "gateway" for routers.
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15:42<doesntmatter>well im accessing it with 169.254.16.7
15:42<doesntmatter>isnt that weird
15:43<doesntmatter>just did route add default gw 169.254.16.7 ppp0 and it works
15:43<musca>sounds like APIPA
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15:44<doesntmatter>what ?
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15:49<musca>doesntmatter: RFC 3927, Dynamic Configuration of IPv4 Link-Local Addresses
15:49<doesntmatter>ok thks already reading (not the rfc but some page)
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15:50<doesntmatter>well i ddint know that hehehe
15:50<doesntmatter>:)
15:50<doesntmatter>that explains it
15:50<doesntmatter>:)
15:51<dserban>Hello, I have googled but I can't seem to find documentation on how to create your own custom preseeded and modified ISO for a USB install for Jessie. Can anyone help me find this?
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17:06<Arcade>Hello: I have a few questions relating to this page (https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers). When working though step 3 why does it only show the backports command and not the command with Linux 3.16
17:06<Arcade>It also does not show steps for configuring nvidia-xconfig anymore?
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17:25<bluca>which step 3? also with new versions there's no need to create the xorg cfg anymore
17:26<Arcade>*Version 352.79 (via jessie-backports)
17:27<bluca>it's showing the command for both cases, whether you use the kernel from backports or not
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17:30<Arcade>I show
17:30<Arcade># apt-get update
17:30<Arcade># apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
17:31<Arcade>Would there not also be a listing for
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17:31<Arcade># apt-get install nvidia-driver?
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17:33<blast007>Arcade: it doesn't show a non-backports version of the command because that version of the driver is only in backports
17:33<bluca>you can use that version of the driver with any kernel
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17:37<Arcade>Ah I see using the other installed 340.96. Is 352.79 stable now I should use that instead.
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17:40<bluca>if your card supports 352 there's no reason not to use it
17:41<Arcade>My only other question I had was on (https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth) installing it. Is there a command for loading the nvidia driver on boot?
17:41<Arcade>I noticed that if I use nouveau modeset=1 while having the nvidia driver installed it conflicts?
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17:44<bluca>you cannot use nouveau and the nvidia driver at the same time
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17:45<Arcade>that is what I was thinking, Can you even usep plymouth with the nvidia driver
17:45<bluca>not sure, sorry
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17:47<Arcade>understood* I may do some digging around to see if I can get it working. If I remember right back when I was on Ubuntu there was a modset string I had to add different from the nouveau
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17:48<Arcade>I assume I can contact back here if I find something working?
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17:55<bluca>sure
17:57<Arcade>installing the correct nvidia driver now. I will reboot and try it once finished
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18:10<Arcade>so bluca : The proprietary NVIDIA driver supports KMS (since 364.12), which has to be manually enabled.
18:10<bluca>yes, there's a new nvidia-modeset kernel module
18:10<bluca>but it's very unstable
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18:11<bluca>I tried it when it came out but had crashes and so on
18:11<Arcade>Yep, when I tried it just now it does not work
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18:13<Arcade>idk if you want to update the wiki to show its not working as of yet. I will try it again once debian moves to 364.12
18:14<bluca>there's no need, it's disabled by default
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18:14<bluca>and it will be disabled in the packaging, check the 364 branches on SVN
18:15<Arcade>Yeah I am just leaving it installed but not loaded for now
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18:16<Arcade>Anyhow thanks for your help with working with me on getting the nvidia driver updated :)
18:17<bluca>np
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18:22<doesntmatter>hey. How do i connect to some hosts using APIPA
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18:45<adinsx>does anybody know if the intel pstate driver takes the integrated gpu load into account?
18:45<adinsx>because im getting some weird behavior that I can really only explain if thats true
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22:04<tristan_>Hi, does anyone know how to get Collada support working in Blender on Debian?
22:04<tristan_>It's not included in the packaged build, and it seems the only way to enable it would be to compule from scratch
22:04<tristan_>and I'd rather not push my Debian installation further into Franken-Debian territory
22:05<tristan_>*compile
22:05<sney>you could rebuild it using debian tools and keep it relatively sane
22:05<tristan_>I've installed opencollada-dev and reinstalled blender, but it hasn't made a difference
22:05<tristan_>oh, hmm
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22:06<sney>dpkg: debian/rules
22:06<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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22:07<tristan_>Where are these makefiles located?
22:08<tristan_>I don't have a root directory named debian
22:09<sney>it's in the package source. apt-get source packagename
22:09<tristan_>"W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file 'blender_2.77.a+dfsg0-5.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)"
22:10<tristan_>Is that normal?
22:10<sney>I haven't seen that one before, but sometimes you get warnings when downloading source packages and as long as you still get the source it's fine
22:10<tristan_>i suppose so
22:14<tristan_>What exactly does "remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with '+yourname' added to the version number" mean?
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22:17<tristan_>er, nevermind that
22:17<sney>it means edit that file. you can use the 'dch' utility to format it automatically. but the entries in debian/changelog dictate what the package version will be
22:18<tristan_>okay
22:18<tristan_>Now that I have the source, is there a specific method I should use to compile it?
22:18<tristan_>So that it works with apt
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22:19<sney>all of the details can be found here: http://deb.li/QYyI but the basic mantra is 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc' or just 'debuild'
22:20<sney>you will probably need to install build-essential and/or devscripts to have all of these utilities, as well as 'apt-get build-dep blender'
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22:31<green_rabbit>Hi! Where can i ask for help with network configuration? (hope not too complex)
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22:36<tristan_>sney: Sorry to bother you again, but now I'm getting an error with debuild
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22:36<tristan_>"Can't call method "epoch" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Changelog.pm line 498."
22:36<tristan_>but I don't see anything wrong with my changelog addition?
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22:43<sney>tristan_: hm that's a little out of my area of expertise, ask in #debian-mentors
22:43<sney>green_rabbit: just ask your question and if anyone knows they will answer
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22:49<green_rabbit>Hmm udev problem here. 70-persistent-net.rules not generated after fresh debian 8.5 install. Several NICs without eth name
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23:16<jeffiscow>hello, anyone know if the problem with samsung ssd on stable has been fixed? I've heard it has on the unstable release.
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23:54<izzyb>I'm struggling to get samba4 AD working in jessie following this guide. https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_Active_Directory_Domain_Controller
23:55<izzyb>I've successfully done this before using this guide but for some reason I'm having trouble now
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23:56<izzyb>bbiab. being called to another channel
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