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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-20

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02:33<gusnan_>Is there any ISOs of Debian stable with a backported kernel? I am having a new Intel CPU incoming, but still want to run stable, and I believe the kernel in stable doesn't support Skylake...
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02:36<jm_>it should work to get it installed and then install backported kernel + intel driver for X
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02:37<jm_>but no, there are no longer such images, at least yet
02:38<gusnan_>jm_: ah, that will work? great, thanks.
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02:41<jm_>no problem
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02:44<jm_>the issue we know of it doesn't support nvme drives
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03:27<disprata>hey
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04:06<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... this machine shut down last night, seemingly under control... but for no known reason...
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04:12<peter1138>Pressed the power button?
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04:19<EmleyMoor>peter1138: If I had any way I might prove that, I would...
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04:20<EmleyMoor>Not going to say "impossible" but am going to say "unlikely".
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04:59<p0rk0ff>hi all, one question i always had in mind... does it make any sense for debian testing to add the security and testing-updates repos to the sources.list?
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05:13<gnumonk>Hi
05:14<gnumonk>is there anyway to create dpkg status file manually ?
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05:23<gnumonk>any idea ?
05:23<SynrGy>gnumonk: all things are possible ... what's the purpose of this exercise? it's just a text file, so yes. whether or not it would be practical is another matter.
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05:26<zyley>p0rk0ff: testing-updates testing/updates are different things, changing slash to or from hyphen changes to different repository, testing-updates do not work
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05:29<p0rk0ff>zyley, yeh i was referring to testing-updates, i didnt test it, so i didnt know it would not work
05:30<p0rk0ff>maybe stretch-updates?
05:30<p0rk0ff>in any case, is there any point in using it?
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05:32<SynrGy>!tell p0rk0ff about testing security
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05:33<SynrGy>!tell p0rk0ff about volatile
05:34<SynrGy>also, this is a better question for #debian-next, not here. but in any case, i don't use either. instead, i use a testing/unstable mix:
05:34<SynrGy>!tell p0rk0ff about tum
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05:36<fire>encrypt password : 9s@d5ff4c2s6f4@5!S#5d1c2d5
05:36<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, thanks
05:36<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, isnt that what you call 'frankendebian'?
05:36<fire>what !?
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05:36<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: no
05:36<SynrGy>!frankendebian
05:36<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
05:37<fire>ok !!
05:37<SynrGy>testing is not a "release" and neither is unstable. both are unreleased.
05:37<fire>tanks !
05:37<SynrGy>mixing stable and testing or stable and unstable is unsupported because it's mixing a prior release with the next one being prepared for release.
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05:38<gnumonk>SynrGy: I have /var partition shared , so whenever I install my debian, I need to update the status of existing installed rootfs package rather then old one.
05:38<SynrGy>mixing testing and unstable is fine and supported. move it to #debian-next if you want to discuss more :)
05:38<SynrGy>(i'm there, as are many others her)
05:38<SynrGy>here*
05:39<SynrGy>gnumonk: i doubt if sharing the /var partition is a supported configuration. what practical purpose does this serve?
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05:39<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, mmmh i didnt know the frankendebian concept was just related to the already released ones, thanks
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05:40<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: it's not exactly that. it's that testing/unstable are a single entity ... split into two for QA purposes.
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05:40<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: together, they comprise two stages of the "next" debian release (from which #debian-next gets its name)
05:41<SynrGy>technically, the next release is not a release yet until it's ... you know ... released :) but this is semantics
05:41<SynrGy>you can think of stretch as a "release" (just one which hasn't happened yet)
05:41<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, yep i asked here as i thought it was a general question about debian, not really related to testing... ill ask there in case things start to go toward that, thanks
05:41<SynrGy>and sid as an early stage of that (containing things which may or may not end up in it)
05:42*SynrGy nods
05:42<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, yes thats how i see it
05:43<gnumonk>SynrGy: it has configuration files , so it get preserve the /var ? due to that status file is also get preserve, I wanted to update that
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05:45<SynrGy>gnumonk: let me state that more firmly. sharing /var sounds very dangerous to me. as for configuration files, those are on /etc. occasionally there are things from /var that are configuration files but they are almost always symlinked from /etc
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05:46<SynrGy>it sounds like you want some sort of configuration management
05:46<gnumonk>SynrGy: Yes.
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05:46<SynrGy>there are configuration management tools available. select and use one of them.
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05:47<SynrGy>i can't make a specific recommendation. but they do exist.
05:47<gnumonk>ok
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05:47<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, thanks for all your clarifications
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05:48<SynrGy>gnumonk: you might start with: apt-cache search "configuration management"
05:48<SynrGy>and/or a search of the web of available configuration management tools, articles about the same, etc.
05:48<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, obviously i forgot about https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing which i read long time ago and somehow passed away from my mind
05:49<SynrGy>p0rk0ff: excellent. glad i got you back on the right track :)
05:49<p0rk0ff>SynrGy, i'll start to rely less on my memory :)
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05:52<SynrGy>:)
05:52<gnumonk>SynrGy: ok, let me check, also do you know the way to generate status file manually ?
05:54<jm_>some people blogged about that after they lost it due to various issues
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05:55<SynrGy>there are many tools for manipulation of these files. i can't give you specific instructions for how, but i have found dctrl-tools very helpful.
05:55<SynrGy>gnumonk: i would generally only directly manipulate the /var/dpkg/status in a disaster recovery scenario (as jm_ hinted at)
05:57<SynrGy>gnumonk: again, i cannot stress strongly enough that sharing /var between systems is a really, really terrible idea, and likely will lead to all kinds of issues and two unsupportable systems.
05:57<SynrGy>so i urge you to no longer do this and implement a proper solution instead.
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05:58<SynrGy>those systems may already be subtly, invisibly (for now), and irrecoverably broken.
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05:59<SynrGy>if i were in your position, i'd consider reinstalling them and implementing proper configuration management between them.
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06:18<gnumonk>SynrGy: ok, let me try ,thanks.
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08:31<anonymous>Hi!
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08:32<anonymous>Oh ima change name :P
08:33<anonymous>erm...
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08:33<anonymous>?
08:34<anonymous>What is going on...?
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08:59<Sicelo>i run old-stable on my pc, and stable on my very old laptop (ThinkPad X40). I have access to good Internet for now, and the willingness to play with debian a bit more. in short, i want to use unstable on one of them .. which would you perhaps suggest as a better candidate for unstable? the laptop or the desktop? (sorry for silly question)
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09:00<OdyX>Sicelo: Debian unstable should be updated really frequently; I'd suggest using unstable on the machine you use most, and use the other one as fallback.
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09:03<Sicelo>ty OdyX. sounds like good plan.
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09:07<narcan>Sicelo: If I were you, I will use testing
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09:08<narcan>but it's little bit off topic
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09:10<Sicelo>i think i'll upgrade the desktop to stable (because it is a little more valuable - it's my router, AP, etc.), then install unstable/testing on the laptop (on which i can live with stuff breaking) .. not too sure of the differences yet, but will check in wiki
09:14<OdyX>Sicelo: yeah, using testing as a start (before going full- with unstable) is definitely a good recommandation.
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09:18<Sicelo>awesome. will go that route then
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09:20<anonymous>o hi
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09:26<Wrkinstyf>hi, anyone available?
09:26<tortib_>?
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09:26<Wrkinstyf>I recently reinstalled jessie, and for the life of me can't get my wifi to work. It was fine for the longest time.
09:27<C-Keen>maybe you need some nonfree firmware?
09:27<Wrkinstyf>iwlwifi
09:28<Wrkinstyf>I have networkmanager running, and I can see and connect to wifi networks
09:28<Wrkinstyf>but I just can't seem to access anything online
09:28<Wrkinstyf>sometimes my vpn connection works
09:28<Wrkinstyf>but webpages never load, telnet applications, nothing.
09:28<C-Keen>does DNS work?
09:29<Wrkinstyf>hm.. how can I check that?
09:29<C-Keen>what does host google.com say?
09:30<Wrkinstyf>google.com has address 37.61.54.158
09:30<C-Keen>so that does work
09:30<Wrkinstyf>seems like
09:30<Sicelo>your webpages go through the vpn?
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09:30<Wrkinstyf>I can even use aptitude
09:31<Wrkinstyf>well, vpn or no I can't do anything online
09:31<C-Keen>what's the error message?
09:31<Wrkinstyf>unable to connect
09:31<Sicelo>possibly you have configured a proxy in your browser?
09:31<Sicelo>a proxy that you're not actually using atm
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09:31<Wrkinstyf>well, I didn't do that manually. I'll check
09:32<Sicelo>15:31 < C-Keen> what's the error message? <=== this important though :)
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09:32<C-Keen>Wrkinstyf: what's the verbatim error message?
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09:33<Wrkinstyf>Error message in my browser?
09:33<Wrkinstyf>no proxy
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09:34<Wrkinstyf>Browser only says "Problem loading page" "iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at www.bing.com"
09:35<C-Keen>no the error of aptitude
09:35<Wrkinstyf>oh, no errors in aptitude
09:35<Wrkinstyf>I can actually use aptitude
09:35<C-Keen>ah ok I misread that
09:36<Wrkinstyf>oh wait
09:36<Wrkinstyf>just tried it again
09:37<Wrkinstyf>cannot initiate the connection to ftp.us.debian.org:80
09:37<Sicelo>Wrkinstyf: maybe just too slow internet then?
09:37<Wrkinstyf>well, I'm using the same one for this machine
09:37<Wrkinstyf>same wifi
09:37<C-Keen>or the connection drops
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09:38<Wrkinstyf>when I'm connected through ethernet it's ok
09:38<Wrkinstyf>but if I activate wifi, I can't use either
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09:38<Wrkinstyf>sometimes I can get wifi to run for a short time
09:38<Wrkinstyf>but it usually dies within minutes
09:39<C-Keen>Does the output of dmesg say anything to that?
09:39<kloner>mate jm_ I am able to locate truecrypt partition and recover all the data using testcrypt software run on windows. You guys are awesome :)
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09:43<josue>hola
09:44<Wrkinstyf>says loaded firmware version 15.32.2.9
09:44<Wrkinstyf>hmm.. IPv6
09:44<Wrkinstyf>ADDCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
09:45<Wrkinstyf>wlan0: authenticate with.... authenticated
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09:45<Wrkinstyf>IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
09:45<Wrkinstyf>thats all I see related to wifi
09:45<Sicelo>you probably should use a pastebin now
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09:47<Wrkinstyf>well, I'm reading from a different machine
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09:48<Wrkinstyf>I'm just surprised that I'm having so much trouble with this. It was working on the same version of debian before I reinstalled
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09:48<Wrkinstyf>never had a problem. I thought it must be something obvious
09:48<Wrkinstyf>guess it's not as common as I thought
09:49<josue>are you speack spanish
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09:50<Wrkinstyf>I don't speak spansh
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09:50<josue>why_
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09:50<Wrkinstyf>never knew anybody who spoke spanish I guess
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09:51<Wrkinstyf>hmm here's something
09:51<Wrkinstyf>ACPI Warning
09:51<Wrkinstyf>If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
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09:54<josue>where they are
09:55<Wrkinstyf>[drm] initialized i915
09:56<Wrkinstyf>ACPI: if an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
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10:36<uggla_>Bonjour
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10:42<uggla_>Petite question, une raison pour que par defaut /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf pointe vers dir = ./demoCA et certs = $dir/cacert.pem et pas vers un bundle avec toutes les CA ?
10:43<bluca>!fr
10:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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10:44<uggla_>oops sorry moving to the fr channel
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10:47<uggla_>Short question, any reason why /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf uses certs = ./demoCA/cacert.pem by default. And not a full link to a directory with all the CA ?
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10:50<duclicsic>uggla_: I have no such entry in my openssl.cnf
10:50<duclicsic>uggla_: and I have not modified it
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10:52<uggla_>@duclicsic by default it is dir = ./demoCA and certs = $dir/cacert.pem in the configuration file. Do you have that settings ?
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10:53<uggla_>this is what I have after pulling the Jessie dockr image and install ssl
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11:28<totaleueberwachung|de>Good evening #debian.
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12:43<el-king>hi all
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13:15<Istik>Hello. I come here because I've got always the same problem. I can't connect my computer via his own wifi card. lspci and lsubs commands give nothing. I think that my wireless card isn't recognized by the Kernel. How can I fix it please ?
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13:23<lindi->Istik: does it work with any OS?
13:24<Istik>It worked with Elementary OS
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13:28<SynrGy>what kernel version did that have?
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13:29<krabador>hi, with that http://pastie.org/pastes/10913356/text?key=wf0gur4ymc14qcskd6kq , what can i do ?
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13:34<lindi->Istik: can you compare lsusb and lspci from elementary os and debian?
13:34<lindi->Istik: and dmesg too
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13:40<Istik>No... I've only the newest Debian on my machine now :/
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13:58<SynrGy>Istik: which release of Elementary OS was it, then?
13:59<SynrGy>i guess even that might not tell us which kernel, if it had backports ...
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14:00<SynrGy>in any case, without knowing what kernel it had, knowing it worked with Elementary OS doesn't help us
14:00<SynrGy>it's conceivable a newer kernel might work with it for debian ... do you have ethernet working on it OK? if so, you could try a backports kernel
14:01<SynrGy>!bpo kernel
14:01<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
14:01<SynrGy>!jessie backports
14:01<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
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14:42<Encrypt>Hello guys o/
14:42<Encrypt>I have a problem with pbuilder, I am trying to build a python project
14:42<Encrypt>Here is the log: https://build.tox.chat/job/toxygen_pkg_linux_deb_shared_xenial_x86_stable_release/22/console
14:44<Encrypt>dh_auto_install: pybuild --install -i python{version} -p 3.5 --dir . --dest-dir /tmp/buildd/toxygen-0.2.3/debian/toxygen returned exit code 13
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14:44<Encrypt>No idea why (<.<)
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15:04<MeZenified>what's the way to make something look like a DOS HDD
15:04<MeZenified>Like I dd if=/dev/sda of=local
15:04<MeZenified>and then want to make local /dev/something
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15:08<Raheem>Does the telnet command work in the debian termial?
15:08<Raheem>Doesn't seem to be working for me.
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15:22<Istik>SynrGy : I've got Ethernet connection but gnome display "not managed" :/
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15:27<Istik>SynrGy : I took the normal way to install Debian and I haven't had backports on it.
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15:37<Istik>add*
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15:43<Istik>And even with jessie-backports I haven't got my wireless card with lspci command :/
15:43<cra1g321>Istik, what card/chipset is it ?
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15:44<Istik>It's a broadcom BCM4312 i think
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15:44<Istik>I'm not sure because I can't verify it with my console
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15:48<cra1g321>Istik, mmm... the firmware-b43-installer does list BCM4312 under supported chipset
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15:50<Istik>Yes but I think that the first problem is that the wireless card isn't recognized by the kernel. Because when I run lspci or lsubs I can't find anything about wireless
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15:51<cra1g321>i found a page that says lspci -nn -d 14e4: , though i'm guessing you already tried that ?
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15:53<cra1g321>there is also this page https://wiki.debian.org/wl which talks about compiling a proprietary module
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15:54<cra1g321>Istik, maybe ask on the forum too
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15:57<Istik>Yes cra1g321, I tried but nothing... It's really difficult to install correctly Debian nowadays :/
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16:07<cra1g321>Istik, sadly broadcom wifi is a nightmare, not debian's fault
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16:17<Encrypt>Nobody is familiar with pybuild? :/
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16:22<babilen>Encrypt: For packaging questions you typically want #debian-mentors -- and it is "pbuilder" not "pybuild" isn't it?
16:22<Encrypt>babilen, Actually: https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Pybuild
16:23<Encrypt>"Pybuild is a newer (as in 2013) and more modular build system for Python packages."
16:23<babilen>Ah, you were asking about pbuilder earlier
16:23<Encrypt>babilen, pybuild is used with pbuilder actually
16:23<Encrypt>I'll go on #debian-mentors then :)
16:23<babilen>You simply didn't mention pybuild before
16:24<Encrypt>Right
16:24<Encrypt>Not explicitly
16:25<babilen>I also can't open https://build.tox.chat/job/toxygen_pkg_linux_deb_shared_xenial_x86_stable_release/22/console
16:25<babilen>Anyway → #debian-mentors
16:25<babilen>(or #debian-python)
16:25<Encrypt>babilen, https://build.tox.chat/job/toxygen_pkg_linux_deb_shared_xenial_x86_stable_release/24/console
16:25<Encrypt>Jenkins only keeps 1 job :]
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16:26<Encrypt>babilen, I went on #debian-mentors, thanks
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18:05<oezsoy>hello
18:06<oezsoy>i have a problem on python 2.
18:06<oezsoy>7
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18:07<oezsoy>anyone knows python
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18:34<uso>As far as I remember systemd doesn't like it when a disk which is mounted via fstab is not present at boot and aborts the boot process. This hasn't changed, right? What's the best way to mount a disk at boot which is mostly, but not always attached to a system? Just add the mount command to rc.local?
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19:20<doesntmatter>hey. the vpn i connect to has a remote address of 169.254.xxx.xxx what can this be possible?
19:20<doesntmatter>isnt 169 unrutable by nature?
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19:20<doesntmatter>when i traceroute other hosts it chos the 169.xx.xxx.xxx as the first router
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19:32<narcan>doesntmatter: wow, and you can ping other hosts oustide this vpn?
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19:33<narcan>the answer interest me also
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23:09<spwhitton>I have discovered that /etc/cron.daily/apt is not executable, so unattended-upgrades has not been running.
23:09<spwhitton>Shouldn't it be executable by default? Is there a standard way to make those jobs run?
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23:14<MeatHammer>I am trying to pair my PS4 controller with debian 8 over bluetooth. I have all the right drivers and libraries installed along with ds4drv (and pip) but I keep getting an error "Failed to create input device: "/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing". Any ideas?
23:15<MeatHammer>basically I have the ps4 controller paired via bluez/bluedevil, and it pairs but only for a split second, then it drops and I get a notification about my lappy being on battery power (its not)
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