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01:05<IBMa20p>the install locked up at the partitioner
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01:05<IBMa20p>just in case someone else is here could help i am haveing trubbles installing debian
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01:13<jm_>as in even tty2 is inaccessible?
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01:24<AndChat164736>Can anyone help me install HP printer
01:25<AndChat164736>It is not printing ... I tried hplip ... USB printing
01:25<AndChat164736>Using deepin linux
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02:59<cogniter>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrYJaGHvrc mobile interface for Astra Linux, based on Debian
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04:16<willemb>What is the best way for me to track when and by what a specific file is being read?
04:17<pabs>if you don't mind the command-line, try fatrace
04:18<jm_>or auditing
04:18<willemb>fatrace isn't in wheezy :(
04:19<willemb>what is auditing?
04:20<jm_>apt-cache show auditd
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04:21<willemb>thanks
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04:22<jm_>it wasn't very obvious how to use that stuff for me when I needed it, but I found some examples online
04:22<jm_>no problem
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04:29<Guest4178>This is my first time to use the Xchat
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04:35<grove>Do bug reports about bad translations in package descriptions belong to the package or is there some pseudo-package I should report it against? (the danish translation of the descripton for fatrace translates power-usage-report which is the name of a script)
04:37<themill>grove: translations of package descriptions aren't anything the package maintainer can fix so it needs to go to the l10n team
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04:40<themill>grove: https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp#l2 (there should also be ddtp.debian.net although it doesn't seem to be happy atm)
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05:50<yogiman>Hi all. I have a laptop which was working ok on Wheezy, needed to update to Jessie to facilitate the use of Shotwell with Picasa Web Albums. However doing a fresh install of Jessie, after rebooting from the installer the computer won't stay active for more than a couple of minutes. Sometimes less time. It appears that it is entering suspend mode, pressing power does seem to wake up the computer but not the screen. Can anyone help with this?
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05:53<yogiman>Out of pure interest, I have also tried LMDE 2 which I believe is also Jessie with the Mint additions, the same problem doesn't appear to be present, don't know if that helps.
05:56<Anarka>yogiman: does it happen while youre using it ? do you have any power settings in LMDE ?
05:57<jm_>lmde is linux mint I assume
05:58<Anarka>name makes sense :)
05:59<yogiman>Anarka, LMDE has basically the same or similar settings to stock debian "which I would prefer to use", Also it happens all the time, you can login and be in the process of using it and it just goes to suspend, I have turned off all power management to check it is not that.
05:59<jm_>does it also use the same DE?
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06:00<yogiman>jm_, you are correct and no it doesn't use the same DE, however I am using Debian xfce, I only tested LMDE to see if the same issue was present
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06:00<yogiman>sorry for the misunderstanding
06:01<jm_>yogiman: maybe check logs/kernel messages when it happens
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06:02<yogiman>jm_, Unfortunately I don't get enough time to check the Logs, I have been attempting to do this. My last login lasted 30 seconds before it suspended, once suspended I can only power down and try again.
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06:03<jm_>yogiman: if it wakes up, you could use ssh to check status from another system, also, if you enable persistent logging with systemd it should all go to disk if you reboot/powerdown gracefully
06:04<yogiman>jm_, Oh ok, I will give that a go and see if I can identify anything. Thank you :)
06:04<yogiman>Anarka, also thanks for responding :)
06:05<jm_>to enable it simply 'mkdir /var/log/journal'
06:05<Anarka>np, is it on AC power ?
06:06<yogiman>Anarka, Yes all plugged in on AC power.
06:07<yogiman>jm_, thanks for the tip
06:07<jm_>no worries
06:09<yogiman>Having spent around 10 hours yesterday searching web, I did find a reference to a bug in systemd and followed the suggested resolution to restore systemvinit <think this was it> anyway the same issue still appears to be present after the changes.
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06:10<jm_>it could also be something in kernel, i.e. another thing to try is the kernel from backports
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06:11<yogiman>jm_, yes had thought about that myself, I will look into that also and see if it resolves the issue.
06:11<yogiman>Again many thanks to all for your advice
06:12<yogiman>you all have a fine day:)
06:12<Anarka>good luck :)
06:12<yogiman>ty
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09:16<Flav>Hello everybody, i'm looking for help, i try to setup bonding link using LACP at boot. By hands it's working, but when i try to boot i have to remove slaves by hand et add it again, i'm using interfaces and modprobe options. I prefer to keep the debian style than systemd. Any suggestions?
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10:15<alumno>help spanish?
10:16<pabs>!es
10:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:08<clement>Hi! I just reported a bug about the new-ish "apt" command to Ubuntu's bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1606270); since "apt" is a Debian package, should I open a related bug report on the Debian tracker?
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11:10<pabs>if you can reproduce it with Debian's apt, yes
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11:16<clement>pabs: Ok; thanks! Also, is there a way to use "reportbug" to prepare the report, but send it using my own email client?
11:16<pabs>depends on which mail client you use, but yes probably
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11:19<clement>I use Thunderbird
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11:21<pabs>hmm...
11:21<pabs>checking
11:22<clement>pabs: Thanks!
11:23<pabs>at the submit prompt, press p to print the message. then copy-paste into thunderbird
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11:23<pabs>then q to quit
11:23<babilen>clement: Any particular reason why you don't want to send it directly from reportbug?
11:23*babilen is just curious
11:24<clement>pabs: Awesome! Thanks much.
11:25<clement>babilen: I'd like to keep a copy of the report in my usual email client; additionally, I'm setting up a Debian VM to reproduce the problem, and I'd rather not have to do too much configuration there.
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11:25<babilen>You can configure reportbug to use Debian's SMTP servers (which is my standard configuration on every box actually), but that only solves the second issue
11:25<clement>babilen: I see that reportbug is smart enough to use Debian's SMTP servers, though, so maybe that's an option too :)
11:26<babilen>indeed :)
11:26*pabs much prefers sending bugs via an MUA too
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11:28*pabs uses the mta and procmail/formail to pipe bugs to his drafts folder
11:29*pabs wishes reportbug could just use xdg-email to open a compose window :(
11:30<pabs>btw, reportbug-ng can do this stuff, including opening a gmail compose window if you use that (needs uncommenting in the r-ng source code though)
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12:04<eagleminded>I need help changing my screen resolution
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12:04<eagleminded>I can change it to 1280x720
12:04<eagleminded>but not to 1920x1080
12:05<eagleminded>I've tried with xrandr
12:05<eagleminded>this is the whole process I have done
12:05<eagleminded>http://pastebin.com/KLx6KHV6
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12:07<caelinux>Nez Topic
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12:13<eagleminded>hello?
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12:15<eagleminded>;'(
12:16<musca>hey eagleminded
12:17<eagleminded>hey musca
12:17<eagleminded>can you help me?
12:17<eagleminded>I can't find the solution
12:17<musca>you have two components limiting the resolution
12:18<musca>either driver or hardware
12:19<musca>usually you want to achieve the native resolution of the display.
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12:19<eagleminded>native resolution is 1920x1080
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12:19<eagleminded>driver is Nvidia, from jessie backports
12:19<awal1>eagleminded, can you paste the output of xrandar? just xrandr, no options/arguments
12:19<eagleminded>yes
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12:20<musca>ok, and which graphics driver do you use? Are you sure?
12:20<eagleminded>http://pastebin.com/aHBcS5LG
12:20<eagleminded>what is the command for it musca ?
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12:21<musca>you can paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net
12:22<awal1>eagleminded, looks like the max you can do for your hdmi is 1360x768
12:23<awal1>you can add/force a new resolution but haven't tried it. follow musca
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12:24<eagleminded>http://paste.debian.net/784970/
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12:27<musca>and what kind of display are you connecting through hdmi? vendor and model?
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12:28<musca>is any kind of adaptor involved?
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12:28<eagleminded>philips 22PFL2807H/12
12:30<eagleminded>No adaptor
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12:36<musca>eagleminded: and do you use any config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d/*.conf} ?
12:37<eagleminded>no, nothing. I don't have that folder
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12:38<eagleminded>(xorg.conf)
12:38<musca>nvidia-driver doesn't need any conf any more as it is autodetected by xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
12:38<musca>it'S okay
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12:38<eagleminded>so... what could be the problem?
12:39<awal1>https://pkg-xorg.alioth.debian.org/howto/use-xrandr.html
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12:39<musca>well, some weirdness is going on, might be caused by bad cabeling or broken EDID of the TV.
12:41<eagleminded>yeah, I have though that it was the EDID too
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12:41<eagleminded>thought*
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12:42<eagleminded>Can I do something?
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12:47<jacobwgillespie>I am trying to update my kernel on a jessie vps and for the life of me I can't get it to update from 3.2.0-4-amd64. I installed the latest (3.16.0) with apt-get install linux-image-amd64 and rebooted but no luck. I can see the kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Any troubleshooting ideas?
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12:47<blast007>jacobwgillespie: is it Digital Ocean?
12:48<jacobwgillespie>Nope, Solar VPS
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12:48<blast007>k, might be similar issue though. On DO, it doesn't use the kernel that's inside the VM. You have to go to the web panel and point it to the kernel you want to use.
12:48<eagleminded>musca ?
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12:49<jacobwgillespie>blast007: interesting - I'll get in touch with support
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12:52<musca>eagleminded: I'm running out of ideas. I didn't find obviously misconfigured things, but may someone else does.
12:52<musca>maybe
12:52<eagleminded>musca: ok, no problem
12:53<eagleminded>musca: thanks you
12:54<musca>eagleminded: can you please check your installed packages with dpkg -l | awk /nvidia/
12:55<eagleminded>musca: http://paste.debian.net/784985/
12:57<musca>okay, no version mixture
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13:21<awal1>eagleminded, what if we try with this 3 xrandr stuff: "xrandr --newmode "1920x1080" 63.50 1024 1072 1176 1328 768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync" + "xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 1920x1080" + "xrandr --output HDMI-0 1920x1080" (It worked for me creating a new resolution 1600x768)
13:22<awal1>hmmm, now I realize that he left yet :(
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13:38<mimi89999>How do I use https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#found ?
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13:43<parrot>hi
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13:46<jhutchins>mimi89999: What are you actually trying to do?
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14:29<pteeson>I’m on a desktop Mac OS X 10.10.5. I’ve made a partition and the iso cd for Deb 8.5.0 but using the Mac bootloader (hold the option key) the CD does not show up. Suggestions?
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14:39<mimi89999>jhutchins: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=832454
14:39<mimi89999>Trying to change `Version:` to `1:1.3.2-4`
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15:05<jhutchins>mimi89999: Change the version of what?
15:06<mimi89999>Because that bug affects also `1:1.3.2-4`
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15:09<mimi89999>Unless it is not a bug, but a problem only on my computer...
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15:11<blast007>mimi89999: what problem are you trying to solve?
15:12<blast007>are you trying to change the *bug report* itself?
15:13<mimi89999>blast007: I want to change the `version` in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=832454 to `1:1.3.2-4`
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15:16<blast007>mimi89999: did you read the top part of https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control ? mentions it works like the request server, and the requests server says "The body you send should be a series of commands, one per line."
15:17<blast007>the intro to the requests server*
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15:24<mimi89999>So what should I put in the body?
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15:26<mimi89999>`found #832454 1:1.3.2-4`?
15:26<mimi89999>And live the subject empty
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15:28<mimi89999>Is that correct?
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16:19<calmo2>Wifi ptoblems on bare 8.5 system with just system utilities. I get https://framapic.org/g4pIxwp4GrrR/od5AQWdV8Nv2 with https://framapic.org/HBfKTiHQTcAA/6Gfg5QhoMETd
16:19<calmo2>(My Wi-Fi is open)
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16:27<[exa]_>calmo2: I'd suggest using wicd/networkmanager and not relying on something as volatile as wifi to be done right on system startup
16:27<[exa]_>is there something in the log files?
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16:29<retrospectacus>can you see your interface in `ip a` and your network in `iwlist scan` ?
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16:30<calmo2>[exa]_: I can't afford to do that.
16:33<[exa]_>calmo2: restricted setup?
16:33<calmo2>retrospectacus: ip a: https://framapic.org/SAsIizxXIf3Z/SYYGDlHysNEc
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16:35<[exa]_>calmo2: check if you're able to configure the network manually, or at least getting it to RUNNING using 'iw dev wlan0 connect your_essid' or something similar
16:36<calmo2>retrospectacus: iwlist scan: https://framapic.org/SLENLCdyHolr/6gLhkH7Cz9pU
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16:37<[exa]_>calmo2: you might want to 'ifconfig wlan0 up' the interface
16:37<[exa]_>oh, sorry.
16:37<[exa]_>getting late here. :]
16:38<[exa]_>is there anything interesting in e.g. journalctl -a ?
16:39<calmo2>[exa]_: iw: https://framapic.org/olMdKBDV0th7/mb19mVy1rTx9
16:40<[exa]_>it doesn't have an IP address yet, just a "link"
16:40<calmo2>[exa]_: I don't know.
16:40<[exa]_>you should see in ifconfig that the interface is "running" now
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16:41<calmo2>[exa]: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST
16:42<[exa]>coot, it has link. Now get an IP from DHCP, try something like 'dhclient wlan0'
16:43<[exa]>it should show a new IP in ifconfig or 'ip a' if it runs fine
16:44<calmo2>[exa]: Thanks! https://framapic.org/RUV6XPXpeU35/TjVW8oTzIPcn
16:46<[exa]>well, so the wifi connects just fine, at least manually. If you want to know why systemd doesn't like it, you have to dig through the logs using journalctl
16:47<[exa]>no idea what unit is the networking, so probably either try 'journalctl -a' or 'systemctl status networking' or just see if there isn't something in /var/log/messages or other log files
16:48<calmo2>What am I looking for, it just looks like noise.
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16:50<calmo2>Oh my, Debian thinks Libreboot is broken.
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16:51<[exa]>not sure what to look for, if you try to grep it for 'wlan0' it should probably give something more specific...
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16:56<calmo2>[exa]: https://framapic.org/nvLq04foBUHl/6gsTK37ejweQ
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17:31<tschitsch> /win 1054
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17:32<petn-randall>tschitsch: I hope you have less than that amount of windows running in your irssi client ...
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17:33<tschitsch>petn-randall: nope. i luv me some irc
17:33<tschitsch>problem is, have to read backlog all day
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19:15<anonymoose>I want to replace xfce4 with kde. How do I do that?
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19:16<anonymoose>I used apt-get remove xfce* to try and clear my system of xfce and then installed kde, but I have some remnants of xfce still on my system competing for my desktop.
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19:18<mtn>anonymoose: competing for you desktop in what way?
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19:23<anonymoose>mtn, xscreensaver, xfce toolbar appearing at top of screen, etc
19:23<mtn>anonymoose: and this is after choosing kde in the login window?
19:24<anonymoose>my computer auto-starts kde now
19:24<anonymoose>so yes?
19:24<mtn>anonymoose: doesn't sound like it. kde would not have xfce apps running by default
19:24<mtn>anonymoose: how did you install kde?
19:24<anonymoose>apt-get install kde
19:25<mtn>anonymoose: probably not the right way to do it. you should have run tasksel and chosen the kde option
19:25<mtn>anonymoose: did you ever choose kde in the login window?
19:25<anonymoose>no
19:25<anonymoose>I get the kde login window by default now
19:26<anonymoose>but when i enter in my credentials certain aspects from xfce load
19:26<retrospectacus>xscreensaver is not related to xfce. You could uninstall it if you like though
19:26<anonymoose>I'm considering nuking my whole installation, but I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.
19:26<anonymoose>xfce file manager is, though
19:27<anonymoose>and that's still showing up
19:27<retrospectacus>remove xfce4-panel, thunar, ...
19:28<retrospectacus>huge metapackages do not remove very well
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19:28<anonymoose>as I am learning
19:28<anonymoose>a nuke might be in order.
19:28<anonymoose>I might just Kim-Jon-Un my partitions and purge everything.
19:29<retrospectacus>you're preferring KDE over xfce?
19:29<anonymoose>yeah
19:30<mtn>anonymoose: still, kde will not load xfce components by default
19:30<anonymoose>this isn't a server so I don't care about resource management
19:30<retrospectacus>!install kde
19:30<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
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20:52<k-man>i find icedove keeps crashing on me
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20:52<k-man>at random times, anyone else finding that?
20:52<trump>sorry i mainly use brave.
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20:58<k-man>brave?
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20:59<k-man>is there a prefered guide to setting up ngix+letsencrypt on debian for automatic renewals?
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21:01<maty>hola
21:01<k-man>hi
21:01<maty>como va
21:01<petn-randall>!es
21:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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21:02<maty>awwww
21:02<maty>wau
21:02<maty>eu no sei falar em ingles
21:04<petn-randall>!pt
21:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:04<petn-randall>maty: Sorry, at first it I thought it was spanish D:
21:05<maty>por favor ayudenme por que necesito que me ayuden por que quiero solucionar un problema
21:05<maty>hablo solo en español
21:05<petn-randall>maty: English only in here. Or go to #debian-pt.
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21:18<The>hi
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21:20<ceon>ho :-)
21:21<madgoat>LETS GO
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21:22<ceon>Cool song :-)
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21:25<ceon>mad goat
21:25<ceon>hmm#
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21:27<ceon>Gibt es hier auch nette menschen?
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21:27<ceon>:-)
21:29<ceon>inkscape
21:30<ceon>oops
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21:37<trump>is there a debian offtopic irc?
21:37<sney>#debian-offtopic
21:37<trump>lol thanks
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21:49<ceon>What to you think about Kali?
21:50<ceon>easy to install and better with graphics den debian 8
21:50<ceon>but probably very unsecure
21:50<Gryllida>depends on your hardware, maybe debian is ok too? try it live cd and find out
21:50<ceon>mine hardware is very old
21:50<ceon>u are right
21:50<ceon>I will get me some vmware
21:51<Gryllida>this channel doesn't talk about the derivatives, only about debian itself, but 'insecure' label sticked to a distro is a bad idea (it's exactly as secure as you get it, unless their packages are out of date; stability and security are debian's main priorities)
21:51<Gryllida>vmware probably is not a good way to test hardware compatibility, since the OS distro takes care of it and you don't really know whether the guest distro is any good, afaik
21:51<ceon>I really love Debian
21:51<Gryllida>try it out on a live medium, then, and ask around if you have any issues
21:51<ceon>But I don t got that much talent...
21:52<Gryllida>it's easy, you get a usb or a cd and put the debian image on that
21:52<ceon>I would like to know how to look at the services and the network transfer
21:52<ceon>all people say iptables
21:53<ceon>but I m blond?
21:53<ceon>Not that much ;-)
21:53<Gryllida>some desktop environments provide a gui for iptables and network monitoring, and there's a bunch of web-based tools in the repos which do this too. (I have no personal experience with them, I only use 'vnstat' at home laptop to keep track of total bandwidth used)
21:53<ceon>But I used to work as Windows admin
21:54<Gryllida>and I used darkstat to view network usage stats by host
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21:54<ceon>thanks
21:55<Gryllida>(if you have live cd, you can try out various desktop environments and see which one fits your expectations better; I would suggest xfce and kde as they seem to at least try to do some common tasks in a classic way)
21:55<ceon>:-)
21:55<ceon>That is whta I wanted to ask
21:56<ceon>I work with Gimp and Inkscape
21:56<ceon>so
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21:57<ceon>I merged the system OS
21:57<ceon>First I installed Debian afterwards Kali in a upgrade
21:57<ceon>but its sure no stabil OS
21:58<Gryllida>sorry, we don't talk about derivatives, because once they make a little change, it may cause subtle bugs which are hard to debug
21:58<ceon>yes you are right Gryllida
21:58<Gryllida>derivatives have their own support channels, and I was nudged to move there instead of discussing them here in the past
21:58<ceon>But I love to make expieriemnt
21:59<Gryllida>annoyingly, some of them have channels off-freenode, making it harder to keep track
21:59<ceon>sorry I m native german
21:59<Gryllida>we are not allowed to talk about kali here. I can talk more about debian though if you have any questions about it
21:59<ceon>okay
21:59<ceon>sorry did nt wanted to bother you
21:59<ceon>sorry
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22:02<madgoat>hello
22:02<ceon>hello
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22:10<Gryllida>ceon: no problem, I hope some of what I suggested is helpful :-)
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