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---Logopened Wed Jul 27 00:00:19 2016
00:01<Arcade>I am not a debian developer* might be if you wait someone might chime in. At least we know what the issue is.
00:03<capt_redbeard>Arcade: Actually you are right, I did use 8.5 this time and 8.4 previously. I might go ahead and install from my 8.4 disc and see how it turns out.
00:04<Arcade>Ok. you might chime in if it works. disabling networking I think should allow debian not to update to 8.5
00:05<capt_redbeard>Arcade: Will do. Thank you much for helping me troubleshoot!
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00:06<massimo>hi all
00:06<Arcade>hi massimo
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00:46<capt_redbeard>Ok, I installed Debian Jessie 8.4.0, and I am able to successfully go into full screen mode and access all different resolutions. Here is a paste of all packages that are available to upgrade. I am going to go through a few of these to pinpoint the problem.
00:46<capt_redbeard>http://pastebin.com/bXdkNP3H
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00:47<Arcade>might be linux-image*
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00:48<Arcade>capt_redbeard:: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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00:51<capt_redbeard>Arcade: As soon as I figure out which package it is, I'll attempt to find the commit that broke it.
00:51<Arcade>You might file a bug on the package in question
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00:52<capt_redbeard>Arcade: Yes I will do that as well.
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04:22<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/785521/
04:22<DrZaius>shouldnt the backports pull its depencences from backports as well?
04:23<DrZaius>because it doesnt http://paste.debian.net/785522/
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04:25<jm_>not unless you tell it to
04:25<DrZaius>how do i tell it to without installing them manually?
04:25<DrZaius>those are automatic dependences
04:26<jm_>apt pinning
04:26<DrZaius>the first time i installed it it pull them automatically
04:27<DrZaius>now i did install certbot -t jessie-backports to upgrade them (thats how is supposed to be done, right?)
04:27<DrZaius>and it pulled most of the dependences but those two which didnt for some reason
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04:28<DrZaius>even if I pin it, i should pin certbot, not the whole dependences right?
04:28<jamesmc>I think if you use -t jessie-backports it should indeed do what you want
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04:29<jm_>upgrades don't need you to specify -t jessie-backports
04:29<jm_>that's why it pulls dependencies
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04:29<jm_>(upgrade, not install btw)
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04:32<jamesmc>Ahh, yes
04:32<DrZaius>adding the pin did it
04:32<jamesmc>It should have upgraded with just a normal apt-get upgrade
04:32<jamesmc>Using install didn't do anything, because the package you were installing was already up-to-date
04:33<DrZaius>without the pin I know I had to reissue the install -t jessie-bp to upgrade it... I just didnt expect to have different behaviour to the original install (aka pull all the dependences) or different from pinning it
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04:33<jamesmc>You don't need to do that. Once you have installed a package from backports, upgrade will basically treat it like a regular package
04:34<jamesmc>As long as you still have the backports repo available, of course
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04:34<DrZaius>jamesmc, but it wasnt up to date. it was in the paste that i showed you, but I did another one early where it pulled all the dependences. Like 5 or 6 but left those 2 untouched for some reason
04:34<DrZaius>jamesmc, if that is true, it never worked for me
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04:35<jamesmc>That's odd, unless you maybe have some custom pinning settings already
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04:35<DrZaius>once you install from backports, you have to manually tell him to keep to that version ( I was doing it by reissuing the install -t bp). From now on, i will use pinning
04:35<DrZaius>jamesmc, not custom pinning at all
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04:36<DrZaius>my only personal setting is APT::Default-Release "jessie";
04:36<jm_>only its dependencies were updated, not the main package and you tried to install that one, sort of makes sense after the above explanation
04:37<DrZaius>and this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/785528/
04:38<DrZaius>yeah, I would expect to keep tracking the jessie-bp alone once it was installed from there automatically. But now I know its done through pinning
04:38<jm_>as I said, not needed, your problem was you used apt... install instead of upgrade
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04:38<DrZaius>Ive been doing it wrong for a long time it seems, and it always seemed to work the other way :)
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04:39<DrZaius>upgrade by itself didng upgrade it... thats why I tried with install
04:39<DrZaius>maybe I have another problem in my setup?
04:40<jm_>next time you run into an upgrade issue ask here and provide info from /msg dpkg bat
04:40<DrZaius>backports packages never upgraded with full-upgrade
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04:44<DrZaius>I think it still can be done, I have the whole output in my console :)
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04:53<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/785534/
04:54<DrZaius>I had all the output asked by dpkg bat on my console... Since I tried to debug it myself
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04:55<DrZaius>not sure if that should had upgraded certbot or not. In my experience, it doesnt. I was doing the apt install -t manually to do the upgrade
04:55<DrZaius>please note that pining it fixed it
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07:28<CQ>hello, I'm having locale problems. I want my locale to be en_DK.UTF8 ... I'm in germany, so I need to be able to use a german kayboard. I have the locales installed via dpkg-reconfigure locales
07:29<CQ>trying to type umlauts does strange things, that seem like something is getting control characters.
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07:30<CQ>locale charmap outputs ANSI_X3.4-1968 ... could this be a part of the problem? I'm running xfce4-terminal, have the defaults set to UTF8, and filenames with special characters show as something??something with question marks
07:31<CQ>rebooting, back in a minute
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07:32<jm_>ANSI_X3.4-1968 is ASCII
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07:37<minikdo>hi, how to run a user cron job once a week on a desktop computer that runs only several hours per day and those times differ? thx
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07:37<jm_>have you looked at anacron?
07:37<minikdo>meaning: I can't tell if the machines will be running say at noon
07:38<minikdo>jm_: yes, I did, but I couldn't figure out about anacrontab per user
07:39<minikdo>I could do it through /etc/cron.weekly but I'd like to stay in user settings
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07:41<jm_>minikdo: doh, I thought it could do user jobs too, but apparently not
07:43<minikdo>jm_: did you ever try at?
07:44<jm_>minikdo: yes I used it in the past
07:44<minikdo>although I think it's not a solution in this case
07:44<jm_>yeah don't think it is
07:45<jm_>maybe check if systemd cron can do it
07:45<minikdo>as it comes to cron, perhaps @reboot is only solution I can think of
07:45<jm_>yeah that with some extra logic in the script could help
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07:46<jamesmc>Or depending on your specific needs, a cron job that runs say every 10 minutes with logic to check whether it needs to do any work this time
07:46<minikdo>the thing is I want to set it up on over 10 machines so I want to do it as simple as possible
07:46<minikdo>jamesmc: that would be an option
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08:42<LePsy666>Hi everybody, I was wondering which is the most efficient protocol to share a folder over a network mostly for linux workstations, NFS, CIFS, Lustre, GPFS, ... ?
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09:15<jzaksh>is there a way to see the systemd reverse dependency? eg: i see a "not-found" error about a systemd unit, "display-manager.service" in my `systemctl --user list-units --all` output, but I cannot find where said unit is being mentioned/requested. (`journalctl | grep -E display.manager` shows nothing)
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09:20<jzaksh>... i guess `systemctl --user --reverse list-dependencies display-manager.service`, but that just shows "display-manager.service". not sure what to make of that.
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09:21<petn-randall>LePsy666: NFS probably, depends on the latency though, and what your definition of "efficient" is. If it's on the LAN, go with NFS.
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09:37<marcushh777>morning all
09:37*marcushh777 notices that its actually aftermorning
09:37<marcushh777>:)
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12:00<j-l>Hi ! Everybody
12:01<sobeit>Hello
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12:05<j-l>I am a french user... My english is average, so don't be too wicked with me ^^
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12:07<j-l>I'm looking for answers to a problem (I know I'm not alone) about sound that always at 0 (minimum) at each boot...
12:08<sobeit>hmm
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12:08<sobeit>you have to manually set it then?
12:08<j-l>I'm on Jessie 8.5
12:08<j-l>Yes
12:09<sobeit>go to freenode
12:09<sobeit>everyone are sleeping here
12:09<sobeit>always
12:09<j-l>(Excuse-me, how to go to freenode please ?)
12:10<j-l>#freenode
12:11<j-l>I found freenode ;)
12:11<sobeit>"" /server irc.freenode.net
12:11<sobeit>it is a server
12:12<j-l>Ok
12:12<j-l>Thanks
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13:09<KB3VGW__>what is the pkg support channel
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13:09<KB3VGW__>for building pkgs
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13:11<KB3VGW>working on a small simple pkg
13:11<KB3VGW>but having issues
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13:11<ruslanas>hi team, maybe someone notice something bad in my command: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1234 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.84.4.11:1234
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13:12<ruslanas>it returns: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
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13:20<jamesmc>ruslanas: That looks OK
13:20<jamesmc>Maybe you need to load the iptables modules
13:20<ruslanas>jamesmc: which one?
13:21<jamesmc>Looks like iptable_nat
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13:22<jamesmc>Yeah, that seems to depend on everything else
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13:22<ruslanas>this will sound stupid, but, is it loaded with modprobe ?
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13:23<ruslanas>modprobe iptable_nat ?
13:23<jamesmc>Yep
13:23<ruslanas>cause I received eror...
13:23<ruslanas>with backports kernel...
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13:23<ruslanas>modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:557 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/modules.dep.bin'
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13:24<ruslanas>oops, I have it loaded
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13:24<ruslanas>ip_tables 28672 2 iptable_filter,iptable_nat
13:25<blast007>!mentors
13:25<dpkg>from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
13:25<ruslanas>nope still the same...
13:25<blast007>KB3VGW: ^
13:26<ruslanas>jamesmc: might it be that issue with backports kernel?
13:26<jamesmc>I'm using a backports kernel and it seems to be fine
13:26<jamesmc>I have a newer one, though
13:26<ruslanas>hmm, 4.6 ?
13:27<jamesmc>Yup
13:27<ruslanas>:D
13:28<ruslanas>I see issue, my bad, I have removed 4.4 :D and not rebooted :S
13:28<ruslanas>:D :D
13:28<ruslanas>maybe that's the point :D
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13:28<ruslanas>wish me luck :D
13:28<ruslanas>prepairing for reboot :D
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13:51<ruslanas_>jamesmc: thank you for your support!
13:51<ruslanas_>all good now!
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13:52<ruslanas>jamesmc: thank you for your support!
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13:53<ruslanas>all good now! and even everything went up :) as expected, but kvm took long to poweroff :) so I managed to connect monitor :)
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13:53<ruslanas>thanks aain, and good day time! :)
13:53<ruslanas>aain = again :)
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13:58<Guest4389>Hi. I want to advertise this Android app that has only news on Linux. I hope this is not considered off-topic for #debian. Thanks. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.pinenuts.linuxnews
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14:23<musca>Guest4389: wise users consider any kind of such unwanted links as spam or scam and will ignore it all together.
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14:25<Guest4389>musca, I understand, but I honestly think that that app is interesting for any linux users. I guess spam refers to something that is not interesting at all, right?
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14:26<blast007>this is a support channel for Debian Linux, not a place to advertise
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14:30<Guest4389>blast007, ok, sorry. Won't spam anymore
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15:10<jph76>Most efficient protocol -- need more information, e.g. security considerations
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16:00<anonymous>hola
16:00<anonymous>ablan espaniol
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16:02<bluca>!es
16:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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16:27<Iamvaibhav>How can I find the port currently listening in my local machine through terminal ?
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16:28<babilen>Iamvaibhav: netstat -tulpen
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16:28<babilen>(or many other netstat invocations)
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16:36<Iamvaibhav>Is PID in terminal is what we call port ?
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16:38<Iamvaibhav>by netstat -tulpen , I am not getting any header like port . I want to know which port is listening on my local machine ?
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16:39<cat6>hmm... is it possible to make "top" show the total cpu usage in a field? instead of having to add upp the us and sy. or can someone recommend a top alternative?
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16:43<Iamvaibhav><cat6> may be htop
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16:43<cat6>thanks
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16:46<t_>my wifi card shows up as eth1 not wlan0 and there is no iwconfig, only ifconfig
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16:47<rooty>hi all, my terminal override my .zshrc how to fix it please ?
16:48<rooty>( i'm under jessie )
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16:51<sleuthkid>rooty: where did you put your zshrc?
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17:05<rooty>sleuthkid: in ~/
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17:06<Xylon>why are there so many updates at the moment?
17:06<Xylon>I find it disconcerting to know that there were so many security bugs in debian
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17:13<rooty>sleuthkid: this isn't the good way to proceed ?
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17:18<KB3VGW_>it happens when they move to wards a new release platform
17:18<KB3VGW_>and I think we are moving towards 9
17:18<KB3VGW_>and also there is work going into arm64
17:18<KB3VGW_>and fixing bugs
17:19<rooty>yes we are, php7 will in source list for the 9
17:19<KB3VGW_>and when you fix 1 plaform you fix them all
17:19<rooty>in trustes source i mean
17:19<rooty>trusted*
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17:20<rooty>so noone know why my terminal override my .zshrc ? :/
17:21<rooty>( i'm on oh-my-zsh if it can help )
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18:50<grummund>Hi. seems odd that openssh-server depends upon openssh-client and openssh-sftp-server?
18:52*grummund is curious to know... (having just removed sshd by accident! :p)
18:52<grummund>why?
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19:08<rudi_s>grummund: Maybe /etc/ssh/moduli - but I guess it doesn't really require it.
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19:10<rudi_s>Maybe check the changelog for a reason. Or the git log of the debian/ repo.
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19:37<grummund>this maybe - "Linked sftp-server(8) into sshd(8). The internal sftp server is used when the command "internal-sftp" is specified in a Subsystem or ForceCommand declaration."
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19:38<rudi_s>grummund: Yeah. But that doesn't explain openssh-client.
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19:38<grummund>hmm
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19:50<Arcade>grummund, http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openssh/openssh_6.7p1-5+deb8u3_changelog
19:51<Arcade>look at comment openssh (1:3.8.1p1-9)
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20:01<r4ph431>hi. Every php5* upgrade, my LAMP stack is always mess-up and I'm tired about this. It's characterized by the fact that libapache2-mod-php5 is pulled, so Apache is switched back to mpm_prefork.
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20:02<r4ph431>I tried to block libapache2-mod-php5 but it does not resolve the issue... it pulls libapache2-mod-php5filter (same effect of messing with Apache MPM)
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20:03<r4ph431>I looked at php5 Depends but can't see the issue (I *do* have php5-fpm installed)
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20:13<jimt>my wifi seems to be very slow, and it shows up as eth1
20:16<jimt>my other linux laptop gets a very fast connection at the same place
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20:20<jimt>what is the flash package -it has pepper in the name I remember
20:20<jimt>!flash
20:20<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
20:20<jimt>!pepper flash
20:20<dpkg>Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
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21:32<hhbhagat>hello?
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21:32<hhbhagat>can anyone diagnose a graphics quirk with the catalyst driver?
21:35<sney>fglrx is afaik abandoned upstream, it's also incompatible with at least one of the compositing desktop environments in debian
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21:36<sney>use the radeon driver. install the firmware-linux-nonfree package to enable gpu features
21:37<hhbhagat>performance benefits over the fglrx or simply support/compat?
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21:39<hhbhagat>The quirk in question is that when I cycle a monitor's power (connected through DVI) LXDE/openbox winks out for a second and causes redrawing issues on application windows and I have to switch each tab on chrome to reset any artifacts.
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21:56<sney>hhbhagat: no performance benefits at all, just support and compatibility, yeah. fglrx was closed source and now it's not being developed anymore so if you have a problem you kinda just have to live with it
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21:58<sleser>is it safe to install firefox the new one from their site ? the one that i have from debian flash videos isnt working because it says its too old and flash plugin is no good on the 45.2.0 virsion
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22:02<hhbhagat>ahh, ok
22:03<hhbhagat>I was having kernel issues earlier too so I should probably do that
22:03<hhbhagat>gui was freezing. could still ssh in, but had to force a reboot
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22:11<leaveone>any nvidia wizards around?
22:12<sney>!anyone
22:12<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
22:14<leaveone>i upgraded my kernel and reinstalled nvidia drivers.. my xorg log shows no errors, but a few warnings.. my screen just blinks intermittently at me
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22:15<leaveone>Unable to support custom viewPortOut 1920 x 1080 +0 +0 thinking that may have something to do with it, but the monitor is native res at that spec and has worked in the past
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22:17<leaveone>No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" appears above the WW, so how do i specify a mode?
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22:29<supaplex>anyone want to test/submit this? I'm knee deep in other issues. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6000cd7b/ TIA libpcap patch
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22:31<supaplex>nvm, I think I'll do this a different way.
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23:27<twb>I have a farm of a couple hundred desktops.
23:28<twb>Sometimes Xorg segfaults.
23:28<twb>What can I do to isolate the problem? Xorg.0.log is only stored in RAM, because the kiosks have no persistent storage.
23:28<twb>http://sprunge.us/BUMJ <-- example log
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