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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-28

---Logopened Thu Jul 28 00:00:21 2016
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00:24<calher>Why can't I do "journalctl -a --no-pager | pastebinit"?
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00:25<twb>I've done similar things...
00:25<twb>Is that still running the pager?
00:26<twb>Try PAGER=pdw journalctl -a --no-pager | pastebinit
00:26<twb>Er PAGER=pwd
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01:06<supaplex>remind me how to install dependencies when building from source. I'm chasing down a few old bugs :)
01:07<supaplex>i'm just gonna do it the longhand way for now
01:07<twb>apt-get build-dep ./frobozz
01:07<twb>Or if it's a standard package in apt, just "apt-get build-dep frobozz"
01:07<twb>(The first one might need stretch-era apt-get, I can't remember)
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01:09<supaplex>neato, thanks.
01:09<twb>supaplex: /join #debian-mentors if you're making your own packages
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01:11<supaplex>someday - digging in my heels for android development atm
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01:33<jinppk>On Jessie iv installed a kernel from backports with 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64' when i do an 'apt-get upgrade' after an update, it want to installed an updated version of the kernel from jessie, how should i be setup to avoid that?
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01:34<twb>jinppk: remove your pre-backports kernel, I think
01:34<jm_>but even if you leave it you should be OK
01:34<twb>Right
01:34<twb>Other than /boot filling up :P
01:35<jm_>yeah and extra downloads
01:35<babilen>(the old kernel is still being upgraded, but won't be used by default still)
01:36<jinppk>but when the updated package for the 3.* kernel is installed wont dpkg reconfigure it and overide the backported 4.* unless i reconfigure it?
01:37<twb>Sorry, I don't understand the question
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01:38<twb>In most cases, the bootloader will default to the newest kernel version
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01:38<jinppk>ohh ok i thought when the package is installed it reruns the grub config stuff and replaces it
01:39<jm_>yeah the highest version is the default unless you override it
01:39<jinppk>one more question, when i run upgrade, if there has been an update to the backports package will it offer to install it?
01:39<jm_>it does rerun grub config, but update-grub does the above
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01:39<jinppk>or do i need '-t jessie-backports'
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01:40<jm_>unless you changed something it will automatically install it yes
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01:44<jinppk>jm_ thanks for your help!
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01:44<jm_>no worries
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01:48<supaplex>now time to create some new bugs. er, features. ;)
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03:18<cat6>is it possible to make top show total cpu load in %? from man "Line 2 shows CPU state percentages based on the interval since the last refresh. Where two labels are shown below, those for more recent kernel versions are shown first. us, user : time running un-niced user processes. sy, system : time running kernel processes. ni, nice : time running niced user processes. wa, IO-wait : time waiting for I/O completion. hi : time spent servicing
03:18<cat6>hardware interrupts. si : time spent servicing software interrupts. st : time stolen from this vm by the hypervisor"
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03:20<jph76>Have a look at htop
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03:26<cat6>thx
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06:44<k-man>ok so I know this isn't strickly stable related, but I installed linux 4.6.3 from jessie-backports, and I got lots of errors in dmesg and the syslog logs like this: http://sprunge.us/FbbM
06:44<k-man>and then my graphics locked up a bit after booting
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06:47<bluca>try with xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports too
06:47<bluca>and libdrm too
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06:50<k-man>ah thanks bluca
06:57<k-man>thanks bluca that seems to have fixed it
06:57<bluca>np
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07:18<xv>hey
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07:43<fraksken>what may be the cause of laggy sound, uniquely over USB (tested with several headsets)? any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this kind of behaviour?
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08:00<mais>hello, I have 3 debian machines. A desktop, a live system and a vm. I can use ssh to connect from any to any machine with one exception. I cannot connect to the vm from any machine, giving me this output -> https://paste.debian.net/785762/ . I suppose its something wrong with the live system's ssh files(keys). Can anyone help? thanks
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08:01<renols>Is there anything I must pay attention to when creating a custom kernel for 8.5 booting in efi mode?
08:01<renols>Because no matter what I have tried so far, it locks up when it comes to "loading initial ramdisk..."
08:02<renols>The default 3.16 kernel boots fine. Even if I use the config file from that default kernel, to
08:02<renols>build a custom kernel, it does exatcly the same. Freezes after "loading initial ramdisk...".
08:03<renols>What I am doing is, make, make modules_install, make install and update-grub to build and install the custom kernel.
08:04<renols>Have done it many many times on non efi systems without any issues before.
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08:04<renols>Just wondering if there is something that I am missing hhere.
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08:06<renols>What annoys me is that the 3.16 default kernel boots just fine, but even if I use the config
08:07<renols>file from that as a basis, it just freezes every time I try to boot it.
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08:09<jm_>did you also build initrd image for it?
08:10<jm_>ahh I will have to leave now - it might not be a hang but video mode issue, try to ping it from another system
08:11<jm_>also, bpo has 4.4 kernel so try that too
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08:16<renols>The initrd image gets built during the make install proccess.
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08:23<r4ph431>ping about this issue of php5 switching Apache mpm to prefork by forcefully pulling libapache2-mod-php5 even when php5-fpm is installed?
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08:27<peter1138>you don't need "php5" installed
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08:28<peter1138>hmm, and even with it installed it doesn't switch apache to prefork
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08:30<peter1138>oh, those mpm-prefork/mpm-worker packages aren't used anymore. sorry, don't know nuffink.
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08:42<blast007>!tell r4ph431 about bat
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14:19<mupudu>can you increase the size of a partition while running off it?
14:19<dondelelcaro>mupudu: yes
14:20<dondelelcaro>mupudu: for example, if you're using LVM and ext3/4, you can grow a partition on the fly
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14:23<mupudu>dondelelcaro: hmm well i freed up 13 GB before my main ext4 partition but gparted is not giving an option to be able to expand the ext4 partition to include the free space before it
14:24<mupudu>not using LVM though
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14:24<dondelelcaro>mupudu: you'd have to expand the partition, then reread the partition table, then expand the filesystem on the partition
14:25<dondelelcaro>mupudu: not sure if rereading the partition table works for mounted filesystems, though
14:25<dondelelcaro>(this is one of the many reasons why LVM is pretty awesome)
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14:26<mupudu>thanks unfortunately no options except to shrink. will try gparted live
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14:48<dondelelcaro>mupudu: no problem; good luck! [I'd suggest making sure you've got a backup too.]
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15:30<nefegago>hola
15:32<mupudu>yay! /dev/sda5 32G 14G 16G 47% /
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17:39<Arcade>Can I ask quickly (I installed nvidia 352.79) does the package no longer have the nvidia program launcher tool installed by default?
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17:41<mcx>is there any good twitter clien you ppl has been using?
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20:24<whelm>hi. I seem unable to connect via WiFi, seemingly since upgrading last night on Debian stable. network is running. any advice?
20:24<storge>can you be more specific to what you've trie, what tool you use to connect, and if you're getting any errors?
20:26<whelm>standard network manager, no error message, just hanging indefinitely on 'connecting' I. gui
20:26<whelm>tried iwconfig and ifconfig but seems those aren't recognized commands
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20:28<storge>they're superuser commands, i think
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20:29<storge>sudo iwconfig (& ifconfig)
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20:31<whelm>oh, >.<. both recognize wlan0 it seems
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20:34<whelm>iwconfig wlan0 scan is recognizing networks
20:37<whelm>weird. I seen to have been have connected via termniak but network connector is still showing no connection =/
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20:38<whelm>ohp, never mind. no connection
20:38<storge>it's been a long time since i troubleshot wifi, so i might fumble this a bit, but hopefully someone else speaks up to correct me.
20:39<storge>i'm wondering if the problem is with the dhcpcd or dhclient --not sure what debian's default is right now
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20:42<storge>especially since i just use wpa_supplicant to connect to everything, i'm not confident on troubleshooting the default windowmanager, but we can try
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20:43<storge>is it a machine next to you, or is it this computer and you're using ethernet cable right now
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20:44<whelm>using my phone here, so secondary machine
20:44<whelm>connected no problem to network in question
20:45<whelm>network connection was working g this mor ing after upgrade last night, suddenly has stopped as of last login
20:45<storge>let's try not using that gui, since with the terminal we might get helpful error output
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20:45<storge>i would start by killing dhcpcd or dhclient whichever is running
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20:46<storge>you might be told that there is a dhcpcd lock file in /var/run/ but we can delete that too
20:46<whelm>is there a way to determine which is running? I am quite green and it has been a while since I've had to trouble shoot anything
20:47<storge>pgrep dhcpcd
20:47<storge>pgrep dhclient
20:47<storge>if one of them produces a process number, it's running
20:47<storge>[root] ~ # pgrep dhcpcd
20:47<storge>4925
20:47<storge>if it doesn't, it isn't
20:47<whelm>neither returned results
20:48<storge>interesting
20:48<storge>pgrep wpa_supplicant
20:48<storge>pgrep ip
20:48<storge>any of those produce pids?
20:49<storge>shit the kids got dropped off early. i'm here but afk for a minute
20:49<whelm>both
20:49<whelm>sure thing
20:50<r4ph431>About this issue of `php5-???` switching Apache mpm to prefork by forcefully pulling libapache2-mod-php5 even when php5-fpm is installed : here are the details I can provide : https://paste.debian.net/785906/ (from unattended-upgrade logs)
20:51<storge>whelm: ok so we know wpa_supplicant is being used at the moment.
20:51<sney>r4ph431: 'aptitude why libapache2-mod-php5'
20:52<storge>whelm: i'm curious if you spit out the contents of wpa_supplicant.conf if you'll see your correct network config and password in there
20:52<storge>whelm: so in another terminal: cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
20:53<r4ph431>sney: I removed it (again) afterwards, it was purged alone as no other packages depended upon it.
20:53<storge>if it spits out a long file that scrolls too much of the terminal, run it again like:
20:53<storge>whelm: cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf | less
20:53<storge>whelm: and then the output will only go a page at a time as you press down arrow to read more
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20:54<storge>but anyway look in that file to see if you notice a correct network SSID name
20:54<r4ph431>then I set it's priority to -1 in all my VM (including those *before* the unattended-upgrade) but ... then these VM pulled libapache2-mod-php5filter ! (same effect)
20:54<whelm>storage: alright, will look
20:54<sney>r4ph431: right, well, if it's being pulled in automatically aptitude might still give you an answer. otherwise just run that next time it happens and it will give you an answer that will be more useful than trying to work around it
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20:54<storge>whelm: if you do see your correct desired network in there, you might either see your plain text password for it or a psk passphrase of a lot of characters.
20:55<storge>whelm: the main thing we're looking for is that it has something in the file that appears to be the desired network router/switch SSID
20:55<whelm>storge: there is no wpa_supplicant.conf
20:55<storge>0.o
20:55<whelm>>.<
20:56<storge>so it's running but without a file
20:56<storge>ps aux | grep wpa_supplicant <--that might show us the full commandline the system is running for wpa_supplicant right now.
20:56<k-man>is nginx in backports compiled with the --with_http_v2_module option?
20:57<whelm>I suppose, there is functions.sh ifupdown.sh and action_WPA.sh in /etc/WPA_supplicant
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20:57<whelm>caps autocorrected
20:57<storge>usually the format is something like 'wpa_supplicant -B -D wext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'
20:57<storge>crap, brb
20:58<r4ph431>sney: that's nice but each time the issue arise (I'm talking about production webservers), Apache MPM are switched, and that's not something I very pleased about
20:58<k-man>ah yeah seems so: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/nginx-full
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20:59<storge>anyway befor ei step away for a minute, what we're looking for is to see if wpa_supplicant has the right network in its file (if any file). we can then try to either restart it manually, or, write a new wpa_supplicant file and bring it all up manually with this sequence: ip link set wlan0 up && wpa_supplicant -B -D $DRIVER -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf' && dhcpcd wlan0 -t 0 &
20:59<sney>r4ph431: unattended upgrades on prod webservers? that's, erm. well. anyway, all u-a does is run apt-get update/upgrade on a timer, so try running it manually and see what happens. but this is caused by a dependency chain from something you don't expect.
20:59<storge>whelm: ^ ...where $DRIVER is either wext or nl80211
21:00<storge>whelm: sorry i'll be back asap
21:00<whelm>no worries thank you
21:06<r4ph431>I've just set APT::Periodic::Verbose "2"; so that I can catch it next time
21:06<r4ph431>sney: I found to be more secure against using "unattended upgrades" than doing security updates manually
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21:07<r4ph431>(although it may breaks sometimes like in the specific case)
21:07<sney>I have nagios telling me when things need upgrading, so I can still audit it and pull the trigger manually. especially so debconf doesn't just restart some service that should wait for a maintenance window, and so on
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21:46<Nerbit>whenever I logout, shutdown, or restart my system my computer goes into hibernate and I need to press the power button to wake it up and complete the process.
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21:48<Nerbit>I've tried several fresh installs of Debian stable using XFCE, LXDE, MATE and Gnome 3 on this machine
21:49<sney>desktop environments don't have anything to do with suspend/hibernate behavior
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21:50<Nerbit>when I used Gnome 3, the system constantly went into hibernate, it was unusable.
21:50<sney>when stuff like that doesn't work right it's often a bios issue. if you're lucky a bios update from your manufacturer might accidentally fix it
21:50<Nerbit>ok, I'll try that/
21:50<junkmechanic>Nerbit: check the log... how do you its in hibernate... check journalctl
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22:14<Arcade>Can I ask quickly (I installed nvidia 352.79) does the package no longer have the nvidia program launcher tool installed by default?
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22:20<Nerbit>I looked into bios but it seems like dell only offers windows installers
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22:37<Nerbit>having [drm:i9xx_set_fifo_underrun_reporting] *ERROR* pipe A underrun error at startup and shutdown
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22:40<Nerbit>http://paste.debian.net/785914/
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22:49<jmcnaught>Nerbit: if you enable persistent journals (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) you can use this command to see the last 100 lines of the previous boot: "journalctl --boot -1 --lines 100 --catalog"
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22:55<Nerbit>I've been reading through the journalctl and this error pops up all over the place
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22:56<jmcnaught>Nerbit: it would be interesting to look at the logs from right before the last shutdown
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23:40<TeslasMHD_>Good morning #debian.
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23:40<whelm>hi folks. is anyone up to help me troubleshoot why I cannot connect to WiFi networks all of a sudden? pgrep dhclient pgrep dhcpcd return no values, network manager recognizes networks but hangs indefi…
23:40<whelm>…nitely on 'connecting'
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