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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-07-30

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00:29<y>When I switch between two Xorg servers (with Ctrl-Alt-F{1,5}) one get crushed with message /usr/bin/xterm fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or KillClient on X server ":1"
00:29<y>Is it known issue?
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00:34<y>Ah, I see.
00:34<y>There are some self-explainable messages in Xorg.1.log.
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00:51<JesseW>Anyone have suggestions about tablets to buy that are most likely to work well with Debian?
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01:16<dselect>See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you.
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05:32<iNzzF>Hello
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06:08<chris0101>Hi. Is someone able to help me with a sound issue?
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06:18<chris0101>does anyone know why sound would only work for a root user? even is a normal user has been added to the audio group?
06:19<grawity>has your 'normal user' logged in normally too, or did you only switch to it via su/sudo?
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06:20<grawity>for the automatic access, is either systemd-logind or consolekit running?
06:20<grawity>for the group, have you logged out/in after adding the group?
06:20<chris0101>I switched to the user via sudo
06:21<chris0101>yes I have logged in and out
06:21<grawity>sudo doesn't give access to devices automatically the way a full login does
06:21<chris0101>grawity: I am not sure about systemd-logind or consolekit
06:22<chris0101>sorry I should correct myself
06:22<chris0101>I "su" into the user chris
06:22<grawity>su doesn't give access to devices automatically the way a full login does
06:22<chris0101>wow okay
06:22<chris0101>so my system is running headless, whats the correct way to test this?
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06:24<grawity>test what? the automatic access, or the 'audio' group?
06:24<chris0101>test my "chris" user has access to the audio devices
06:25<grawity>is it going to be 'headless' in the future?
06:25<chris0101>yes forever
06:25<grawity>make sure both `id` and `ls -l /dev/snd` actually show the group, then
06:25<chris0101>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Jul 30 19:59 by-id
06:25<chris0101>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 Jul 30 19:59 by-path
06:25<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 5 Jul 30 19:59 controlC0
06:25<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 8 Jul 30 19:59 controlC1
06:25<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 4 Jul 30 19:59 pcmC0D0p
06:25<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 3 Jul 30 19:59 pcmC0D1c
06:25<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 2 Jul 30 19:59 pcmC0D1p
06:26<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 7 Jul 30 19:59 pcmC1D0c
06:26<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 6 Jul 30 20:20 pcmC1D0p
06:26<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 Jul 30 19:59 seq
06:26<chris0101>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 Jul 30 19:59 timer
06:26<chris0101>uid=1000(chris) gid=1000(chris) groups=1000(chris),0(root),1(daemon),2(bin),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),27(sudo),29(audio),113(pulse),114(pulse-access)
06:26<grawity>thanks for using a pastebin and not spamming the whole channel...
06:26<grawity>anyway, are you using pulseaudio?
06:26<chris0101>that appears to be correct to me grawity
06:26<grawity>is it running in 'system' mode?
06:26<chris0101>not sure
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06:27<chris0101>sorry about the spam, I am use to this IRC client automatically uploading the contents to gnome pastebin. aplogies
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06:27<grawity>what will the system be used for?
06:27<grawity>on a headless system, should either set up pulseaudio for 'system mode', or remove it and stick with ALSA
06:27<grawity>afaik
06:28<chris0101>okay interesting
06:28<chris0101>its a headless server I use for web stuff
06:28<chris0101>however I have been trying to install https://github.com/MycroftAI/mycroft-core
06:29<chris0101>mycroft does not like to have its python deps installed as root
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06:29<chris0101>however root is the only user I can get sound working for
06:32<chris0101>grawity do you advise I setup pulseaudio or stick with alsa?
06:32<chris0101>I am happy to use either, just scared of breaking things further
06:32<grawity>for a desktop I'd always go with pulseaudio
06:32<grawity>but on a headless server, if you don't need audio-over-network, raw ALSA will be simpler
06:33<chris0101>okay cool
06:33<grawity>since all it needs is access to /dev/snd/pcm*
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06:34<chris0101>sorry grawity what should I do next?
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06:42<chris0101>grawity: I plan on sticking with alsa. is there any more information I can provide? I have been stuck on this issue for days.
06:48<chris0101>I am still looking for assistance solving my sound problem (probably a permissions issue) if anyone could please help me
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06:51<chris0101>My audio works through a usb sound card: ID 0d8c:0014 C-Media Electronics, Inc.
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06:51<chris0101>my user is part of the audio group
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07:09<chris0101>I am still looking for assistance solving my sound problem (probably a permissions issue) if anyone could please help me
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07:11<SynrG>did you determine yet if you're using pulseaudio or not? that's a fairly important point.
07:11<SynrG>chris0101: ^
07:11<chris0101>sorry mate
07:11<chris0101>I am using alsa
07:12<SynrG>k
07:12<SynrG>you logged out and in again since the user was added to the audio group? (if you're logged into a screen or tmux session don't forget to exit it completely too)
07:13<chris0101>yes, the system has been rebooted numerous times since the user was added
07:13<SynrG>k
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07:14<SynrG>what are you using to test working sound?
07:15<chris0101>numerous things. "speaker-test -c 2", and "saytime"
07:15<chris0101>both run correctly as root
07:16<SynrG>k
07:16<chris0101>as my chris user, neither command outputs an error, but they don't output any sound
07:17<chris0101>I think it could be an issue with the normal "chris" user not selecting the correct default sound card, however I am using a global alsa config
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07:17<SynrG>that could be. it seems the permissions are correct.
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07:18<fa>hello i need somebody talk Arabic language for help me
07:19<SynrG>chris0101: did you try specifying the device with -D when trying your speaker-test?
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07:19<chris0101>no I have not SynrG
07:19<SynrG>chris0101: see also aplay -L and the man page for speaker-test
07:20<silent>hey, has anyone else had issuesd with the latest update of 'flashplugin-nonfree'?
07:20<chris0101>I have been using aplay -L SynrG. I am uploading the output to pastebin now
07:21<SynrG>chris0101: i mean for your own information so you know what device to specify
07:21<silent>i cant seem to get a successful update, even when using ~$ sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
07:21<chris0101>yep np. working out how to do that now
07:21<fa>hello i need somebody talk Arabic language for help me
07:24<silent>does anyone here use the flashplayer browser plugin?
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07:27<chris0101>SynrG: I am sorry for being so useless. Can't figure out the correct syntax for speaker-test
07:27<musca>silent: better ask your real question
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07:29<chris0101>SynrG: http://pastebin.com/QgDegth7
07:30<chris0101>when I use speaker-test with various -D flag options "No such file or directory" is found
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07:36<SynrG>i don't do this often, so i'd do like you. use the man pages and try stuff
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07:38<chris0101>ah okay fair enough SynrG. thank you for trying.
07:38<chris0101>I really appreciate the help
07:38<silent>musca, i did. no one replied so i asked what you commented on
07:40<SynrG>chris0101: alsa has an odd way of specifying the full path to a device. it also has some sort of shortcut notation. perhaps one of the see also references from the man pages explains
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07:41<SynrG>since it's general knowledge about alsa and not specific to these tools I am not surprised it is not repeated on each tool's man page
07:42<chris0101>SynrG my understanding is alsa requires you to specify the card number, and the device number. I only see the "device" option for speaker-test in its man page
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08:01<SynrG>chris0101: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Speaker-test might help
08:02<SynrG>and in general, their wiki is good and can be more helpful than using the man pages alone
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08:07<chris0101>thats what I was reading SynrG :(
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10:03<cool>hi
10:03<mais>hello, can I set a static IP for my machine but only for a specific LAN? I am running Debian Jessie 8.5
10:03<cool>ok
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10:04<cool>sorry im not a thec geek
10:04<grawity>mais: kinda difficult, because you need a way to know which LAN you're on
10:05<grawity>mais: and the main way to find that out would be DHCP >_>
10:05<cool>k
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10:05<mais>grawity: hmm you are right...
10:05<grawity>mais: though you *could* probably make the DHCP client ask for a specific IP address
10:05<grawity>dunno how
10:06<grawity>but no
10:06<mais>grawity: good idea
10:06<grawity>it won't know which network it's on until after it has asked for an address :(
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10:06<grawity>also I'm assuming Ethernet here; with Wi-Fi it's easier
10:06<mais>wifi got SSID
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11:03<user>fala ai galera
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11:57<MarkedOne>Hello... how to analyze network transfer bottleneck?
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11:58<MarkedOne>preferably without need of installing new software... just default tools..
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12:00<MarkedOne>My problem is that rsync speed droped down from full 11MiB/s (max speed of FastEthernet) to 1.2MiB/s...
12:00<MarkedOne>Probably after running more instances of rsync....
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12:17<grawity>well if you run multiple instances at once then it's not like you can get 100 Mbps for *each*
12:17<grawity>also, consider disk speeds too
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12:17<tk999>Hi all, please need some help configuring nat on debian jessie. I am configuring a NAT behind a NAT (my desktop have the debian and is doing a NAT for the Cisco router). for that I have the local LAN1 with access to the internet and the route point to point connection (I am going to call LAN2). The router ping the LAN2 and the LAN1 interface on the desktop but it doesn't ping the LAN1 defaut gateway. I have already enabled the Packe
12:17<tk999>t forward settings and tried different kind of iptable settings with MASQUERADE but didn't work.
12:17<tk999>please any help is much appreciated
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12:18<grawity>have you looked at what happens when the router tries to ping stuff?
12:18<tk999>it is able to ping the desktop interfaces
12:18<tk999>LAN1 and LAN2
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12:19<tk999>router LAN2 > desktop > LAN1 home router >internet. Ping from the router reach the desktop interfaces but not the router LAN1
12:20<tk999>i can see the packet arriving on the desktop with wireshark
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12:21<tk999>my last try was using this one "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING ! -d 192.168.121.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" where 192.168.121.0 is the LAN2 and the eth0 is connected to LAN1
12:21<tk999>eth1 is connected to LAN2
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12:23<tk999>root@TchaskaPowerEdge:/home/masca# iptables -t nat -L
12:23<tk999>Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
12:23<tk999>target prot opt source destination
12:23<tk999>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
12:23<tk999>target prot opt source destination
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12:23<MarkedOne>hello grawity... i understand that speed divides... I am talking about aggregated speed.. so in the morning 1 proccess 11MiB/s... now many rsync processes together 1.2MiB/s.... disks and cpus seems to be idling..
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12:23<tk999>apologies for the paste
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12:46<uso>I've just seen a very good offer for a Lenovo 500-15ISK 80NT. Unfortunately it's only valid for another hour so that I do not have much time to check it's Linux compatibility. Any comments about that system regarding Debian compatibility? It has a AMD MESO XT graphics card, which seems to be a Radeon R7 M360. Is that supported by the opensource driver in the kernel?
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12:51<jmcnaught>uso: "man radeon" has a list of supported cards
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12:56<uso>jmcnaught: that easy :) I haven't had an AMG card in a long time (since my old Radeon 9500)
12:56<uso>but it doesn't look good, not a lot of support for mobile cards
12:57<jmcnaught>uso: me neither. There's a new amdgpu driver for newer cards, i don't know how old that one is
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12:59<uso>If the card is not supported would it run with any generic driver or won't the graphics mode run at all? I do not need 3D acceleration.
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13:01<jmcnaught>uso: it would probably run with the fbdev driver, but that would be slow and low resolution. radeon(4) lists some generations of card with the AMD codename like KABINI, that card might be one of those
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13:05<blast007>uso: also, it's likely hybrid graphics (intel + AMD), which might be even more fun
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13:08<uso>blast007: probably, just reading about it
13:09<uso>graphics support on notebooks is still a mess under Linux :(
13:09<uso>I even seem to need the backports kernel as the default kernel seems not to support the processor
13:10<uso>i7-6500U
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13:18<uso>it seems to have a Intel HD graphics 520 too. I assume that's supported under Linux?
13:19<uso>The intel driver man page only lists the supported chipsets and I don't know what chipset the notebook has.
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13:31<cool>hi
13:31<sney>hi
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13:32<cool>do you like minecraft
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13:33<cool>hello
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13:35<cool>hi
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13:37<epic>hi
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15:11<Mitnick>Hello my friends
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16:49<spidy>debian aint bad :)
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16:49<spidy>just installed 8.5 ..
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20:45<Guest4692>hi, i'm new in linux, could you recommend me a tutorial for dummies?
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21:45<r00tsec>Hello
21:46<sney>hi
21:46<r00tsec>Who wants to join an attack now?
21:46<r00tsec>High-profile target
21:46<themill>r00tsec: wrong channel, wrong network.
21:46<sney>lol
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21:47<r00tsec>what do u mean
21:47<sney>r00tsec: this is a support channel for debian users, not whatever you're trying to do
21:47<sney>so many skids lately. must be due to summer vacation. /ot
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22:41-!-sweitzman is "Steven Weitzman" on #awesome #debian-next #linux @+#linode #debian ##linux @#sweitzman @#marketingmoment @#stripe @#xkcd @#xkcd-pub #sapphire
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23:11<radio_nowhere>Is anyone running systemd 230 from backports? Any compelling reasons to upgrade?
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