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00:57<grawity>twb: no, I think the warn_slowpath is of the 'warning' function itself
00:57<grawity>twb: the specific stacktrace starts at ext4_release_dquot
00:57<grawity>though I can't find any generic WARN() in it
00:57<twb>grawity: what does it mean, then?
00:58<grawity>it means that the warning itself is being printed via some-or-another slow path, afaik
00:58<twb>It came from my backup server, that gets rsynced to each night, writing to a bunch of local md+LVM+ext4 filesystems
00:58<twb>And that happened in the middle of the rsync
00:58<twb>If it's just saying that I/O was a bit slow, I don't think I need to care
01:00<niko_20010>i think it says "something was a bit too slow, but i catched that just in this function"
01:00<niko_20010>at least i read it this way
01:00<Arcade>can I ask who is the maintainer of (https://packages.debian.org/jessie/shellcheck) so I can see if someone will update it?
01:01<niko_20010>twb: probably nothing to (really) worry about
01:01<jm_>Arcade: follow the PTS link and you'll find out
01:01<twb>Cool, thanks
01:01<niko_20010>maybe a reboot could help clean something up
01:02<Arcade>I show a few maintainers is it the group I need to contact or specifically one person
01:02<niko_20010>how long was that thing running at the time of the error
01:02<niko_20010>?
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01:03<niko_20010>twb: ^^
01:04<jm_>you should submit a bug, but there already is a bug for "New upstream version 0.4.3")
01:05<twb>niko_20010: 108 days
01:06<niko_20010>twb: as i said, a reboot will at least recover from the "tainted kernel" state...
01:06<niko_20010>and that state is a bad thing...
01:07<niko_20010>because a kernel warning will set a taint flag AFAIK
01:07<twb>oh I thought that meant it was running a non-free driver, like iwlwifi or nv
01:07<niko_20010>that is one of the possible flags
01:08<niko_20010>there are many
01:08<twb>OK well it's scheduled for a reboot next week anyways
01:08<Arcade>looks like a bug was created thanks jm_ for your help
01:08<niko_20010>lemme check the module list for any candidates
01:09<jm_>Arcade: no problem
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01:11<niko_20010>twb: the "aufs(C)" in the modlist indicates the origin of the "C" flag...
01:11<twb>Aha!
01:11<niko_20010>but i don't know the "G" flag...
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01:11<twb>What does the C mean?
01:11<niko_20010>let me lookup in the kernel docs...
01:11<twb>It's a stock debian kernel but the aufs (used for debian-live booting) isn't from mainline
01:12<niko_20010>as i said
01:12<twb>"contrib" perhaps
01:12<niko_20010>i am looking the flags up
01:12<twb>OK sorry, didn't mean to jog your elbow :-)
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01:15<niko_20010>twb: see the docs here https://gist.github.com/648eedbe9407523af75a8aa0d04bc7cb
01:16<twb>Righto.
01:16<niko_20010>apparently those flags are sane
01:16<twb>So it's just tainted because of a staging driver (aufs)
01:16<niko_20010>right
01:17<niko_20010>G just means the running kernel is fully GPL compatible
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01:17<niko_20010>snippet located at line 222 of Documentation/oops-tracing.txt in the kernel source tree...
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02:30<bakx>Hi
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02:31<bakx>I'm having trouble mounting my ntfs filesystem, always getting exit-code 21
02:31<bakx>anyone can help me ?
02:31<twb>bakx: this is from the mount(8) command?
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02:33<bakx>twb I checked that, but the system is telling me the device is already mounted
02:33<twb>bakx: what gives the "exit-code 21" ?
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02:36<bakx>here is the error message: Command-line mount /media/user/B096161B9615E2A0 exited with non-zero exit status 21: mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda4 already mounted on /media/user/B096161B9615E2A0
02:37<twb>OK. Is it already mounted?
02:37<bakx>no it's not, that's the problem
02:37<twb>bakx: "grep media /proc/mounts" --- is it listed there?
02:37<jm_>are you using debian?
02:39<bakx>yes I'm using mint
02:39<jm_>!mint
02:39<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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02:42<bakx>twb: it is not
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02:42<bakx>dpkg: okay
02:42<dpkg>Don't talk back to me or you're going to be sorry!
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02:43<jm_>note: dpkg is a bot
02:44<twb>dpkg: would fewer people get confused if bot names consistently ended in "bot" ?
02:44<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, twb
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02:54<twb>16:51 <z0d> M$ programmers: https://i.imgur.com/XNY3iGa.jpeg
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03:51<grawity>twb: is that about hacking the internals of the Windows' control panel or what
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03:52<twb>Oh sorry, wrong channel
03:52<grawity>oh wait, looks like it's written by a MS dev actually
03:52<grawity>that kinda makes sense then
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04:16<hitlin37>why on debian testing about:crashes for firefox is disabled?
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04:17<jm_>crash reporter is disabled
04:17<twb>hitlin37: does that "phone home" by default?
04:18<twb>If so, it's probably disabled by default for privacy reasons
04:19<jm_>see #720102
04:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/720102 in iceweasel (open): «about:crashes vs. Debian»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-08-18; last modified: 2014-02-15.
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04:19<Guest4782>fksdfkalf
04:19<Guest4782>nfnsfksdkfs
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04:21<hitlin37>ok. any used build from mozilla as a workaround.
04:22<hitlin37>s/any/i
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05:45<deathsbreed>Hey, do any of you know of a small library in the repos that uses CMake to compile? I'd like to look at it in order to use its debian/rules as reference for a package I'd like to make.
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05:45<twb>deathsbreed: I don't, but try #debian-mentors for help making debian packages
05:46<jm_>grep cmake /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources
05:46<themill>build-rdeps cmake
05:46<twb>deathsbreed: try also codesearch.debian.net .... or what he said
05:46<jm_>ahh there's a command already :)
05:47<deathsbreed>Ah, I see. Thanks!
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05:58<Bakx>mint
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05:59<twb>Bakx: you need to ask #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org
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06:13<deathsbreed>Alright, ended up finding taglib to be a useful example. Thanks once again.
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09:25<safinaskar>i have jessie. i want to install kernel from backports. i am trying to install linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 . but it depends on linux-base (>= 4.3~) and there is no such recent linux-base in stable nor in backports
09:25<safinaskar>so, what to do? is it a bug?
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09:28<themill>safinaskar: the required version of linux-base is in backports
09:28<bluca>use "apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64"
09:29<safinaskar>themill: bluca: o, i see. thanks
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10:43<anisimov>hi all
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11:20<fabien>hello !!!
11:21<musca>hi fabien
11:21<fabien>hi
11:22<fabien>do you speak french ?
11:22<musca>!fr
11:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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11:23<musca>^ possibly meant for irc.freenode.net
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11:27<ceibal>hola
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12:05<Istik>Hello everyone ! I'm not pro concerning Debian so, I want some information concerning a big problem.
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12:07<danielsh>!ask
12:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:08<Istik>I've installed Debian 8 on my Compaq 615. I installed the console version (without interface). Then I had gnome. I didn't installed the gnome Live CD version because some i needed to install some drivers for my graphical card.
12:08<Istik>All is good but wifi is a big problem for me
12:09<Istik>It seems that the Kernel doesn't recognize the Wifi PCI
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12:15<Istik>So I ask some questions on the french Debian forum but the only thing that they said is to download and install the drivers for my specific card. But I can't find the name of my card because lspci command or lsusb doesn't display wifi informations.... :/ For me, it's a broadcom BCM4312, but I'm not sure. That's really weird because before i had installed Debian the wifi worked great on Elementary OS.
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12:17<itd>!dpkg BCM4312
12:17<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
12:18<Istik>Great but even if I install the driver, it doesn't work :/
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12:20<musca>hello Istik, please read the above information carefully
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12:21<musca>there are two different firmware installers for that family of chipsets.
12:22<Istik>yes good but my kernel doesn't recognize my card... So even if I install those drivers it doesn't work.
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12:23<musca>Istik: okay, can you please run: lspci -nn | grep -i net
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12:25<lindi-_>Istik: if you are asking the same question again it'd be nice if you posted the pastebin links you have already uploaded instead of having everyone ask the same questions again
12:25<musca>I'm especially interested in the PCI-ID
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12:26<Istik>musca : http://paste.debian.net/786401
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12:27<Istik>lindi-_ : Yes, I know but the paste was temporary
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12:27<musca>sorry Istik, my grep filter has missed the relevant line
12:28<Istik>Do you want the entire lscpci ?
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12:29<musca>yes ok, lspci -nn
12:29<Istik>musca : there is lspci : http://paste.debian.net/786404/
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12:32<musca>Oh, pretty ugly. The wiki says: The PCI ID is not sufficient to determine the Broadcom chip within. The relevant driver has built-in logic to probe the actual chip.
12:33<Istik>musca : Something, help me to believe that the card isn't out of order is that the wireless button led lights
12:34<musca>and I don'T see its PCI-ID in your paste.
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12:35<Istik>musca : That's my problem... I asked a lot of people, if you find, you save my work. I need it for a project and it becomes pretty urgent.
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12:37<musca>Istik: does lsusb list a wireless device?
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12:38<Istik>musca : Nothing more : http://paste.debian.net/786410/
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12:41<Istik>musca : Maybe I can try to find a driver to put it into my Kernel ? But it seems pretty risky for me :/
12:41<musca>Istik: does "/usr/sbin/rfkill list" show a hint?
12:43<lindi-_>Istik: boot to the OS where the card works and save dmesg, lspci and lsusb
12:43<Istik>musca : I haven't got result with this command :/
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12:45<musca>Istik: if you have an alternative running OS, you also can learn about the used kernel module with lspci -k
12:45<Istik>musca : So I'll install another time elementary.
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12:52<musca>!what's my wireless?
12:52<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
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13:16<eSa|>hi, played somehow with debian in the last two days
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13:16<eSa|>and grub too
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13:27<awal1>eSa|, what's your real question?
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13:30<eSa|>I got and EWS88MT sound board wich is ignored by alsa
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13:30<eSa|>s/board/card/
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13:31<eSa|>more than one year ago I had one wich worked without tricks
13:32<awal1>try installing pulseaudio and pavucontrol and check if it helps
13:32<awal1>play with pavucontrol settings
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13:48<eSa|>apache2 is a required upgrade; will ponder
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14:15<anonymous>hi
14:16<itd>hi
14:16<anonymous>I am new here lmao
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14:17<eSa|>I get also this: Aug 1 17:52:00 matsui kernel: [ 9.832543] snd_ice1712: probe of 0000:01:06.0 failed with error -5
14:17<anonymous>lol
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14:23<tom[]>i have difficulty with this sentence from https://debian-administration.org/article/69/ 'If the dependencies have changed on one of the packages you have installed so that a new package must be installed to perform the upgrade then that will be listed as "kept-back".'
14:24<tom[]>does that mean the same as 'A package is kept-back if its new version depends on package(s) not yet installed on your system.'?
14:24<sney>yes
14:24<tom[]>tnx, sney
14:25<SynrG>not yet installable on your system
14:25<SynrG>since apt otherwise might've resolved it.
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14:26<tom[]>i find this is typically the case for the kernel
14:26<SynrG>if you find this is "typically the case", perhaps you are not running stable.
14:26<SynrG>we support testing/unstable on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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14:27<SynrG>but if you're on stable and this is happening, explain. give us a concrete case.
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14:28<tom[]>i believe i use stabe. how to verify?
14:28<SynrG>then give us this info:
14:28<SynrG>!bat
14:28<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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14:35<tom[]>SynrG: https://gist.github.com/tom--/dc4ee976e7769ab1dbcf6c54ed8e5b0b
14:35<tom[]>something like libgd3 is unusual. linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic are typically help back
14:36<tom[]>held*
14:36<itd>that's ubuntu.
14:37<mtn>too funny
14:37<SynrG>tom[]: the place to get help for that is #ubuntu @ irc.freenode.net
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14:38<tom[]>i asked about text i read on https://debian-administration.org
14:38<SynrG>for which we are not responsible, sorry. and we only support debian here anyway.
14:39<SynrG>but i believe we already answered your general question. as for specifics, see ubuntu for support.
14:39<tom[]>yes, thanks
14:39<SynrG>good luck
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15:34<iamwho>elfi_elfi
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16:04<lwp>Upon logging into gnome, I am confronted with "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again. {and a button that says Log Out}
16:04<lwp>WTF?? any clues where this comes from, and what I can do to fix it ?
16:05<towo`>lwp, what grapics card you have?
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16:06<lwp>towo: I'm not sure, built-in graphics of a Toshiba Satellite laptop.....
16:06<towo`>lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
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16:07<lwp>towo: that command produces null result
16:08<towo`>impossible
16:08<towo`>have you used c&p?
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16:08<towo`>lwp, if there is no output, you wouldn't have any graphics device
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16:09<piper>lwp: dont use the >
16:09<towo`>there is no > in my command
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16:10<piper>[8/1/16 4:6 pm] <towo`> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
16:10<lwp>towo: full lspci includes the line "VGA compatible controller: Intel corporation 3rd gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
16:10<piper>towo`: i know mistake but he/she might not :)
16:11<lwp>apparently "VGA" doesn't match "vga" ?
16:11<towo`>lwp, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:11<towo`>lwp, egrep -i is caseinsensitive
16:11<towo`>lwp, so it would match
16:12<towo`>you don't believe it?, look
16:12<towo`>towo:Defiant> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
16:12<towo`>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2)
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16:13<lwp>towo, you're right I typo'ed the egrep command... (copy manually from another, working, computer)
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16:14<towo`>hve to go, the problem is not working 3d acceleration
16:14<towo`>maybe you need kernel and intel-ddx from backports
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16:21<trnty>hi people
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16:23<trnty>i was thinking about updating the kernel to linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64, but it says that will remove gnome, why?
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16:25<SynrG>!bat
16:25<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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16:26<trnty>any help would appreciated
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16:28<trnty>debhelper?
16:28<SynrG>Provide all of that info and we can help ^
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16:28<Guest4831>hi debian stoped working after reboot before reboot everything just froze i had to turn it off with power button
16:29<Guest4831>error on boot is /bin/sh cant acces tty job control turned off
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16:31<trnty>SynrG, when I tried to update the kernel to linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64, it says that gnome will be removed, I wonder, why?
16:32<sney>trnty: see the note from the dpkg bot above. provide those details and we can help you with your apt dependency problem.
16:33<SynrG>^
16:33<trnty>ok
16:34<trnty>https://paste.debian.net/786458/
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16:35<trnty>I'm sorry, I've never asked for help here before
16:37<trnty>sney, done
16:37<SynrG>trnty: that's only part of it
16:38<SynrG>See 2. and 3.
16:38<sney>still, 'task-gnome-desktop' is just a metapackage and does not contain any software
16:38<sney>so you can let it remove that and you will still have gnome
16:38<trnty>ok, will do so
16:39<trnty>Thanks people, love you all
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16:39<trnty>see you all on 4.6 kernel I hope
16:39<trnty>bye
16:39<SynrG>I still think something's wrong
16:39<SynrG>I suspect distribution mixing
16:40<SynrG>So you could be in for a lot more damage later
16:40<SynrG>That's why we need the apt-cache policy stuff asked for in the dpkg factoid.
16:40<trnty>SynrG, I'm confuse now
16:40<anothername>guys what exactly hapend im geting an error computer wont load debian , /bin/sh cant acces tty job control turned off
16:41<trnty>ok, will dp
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16:42<SynrG>sney's answer, while apparently satisfying to you, didn't answer your actual question about the removal
16:42<itd>anothername: what did you do? (please provide more infos.)
16:43<anothername>i had an external hd usb cut pasting file from internal ntfs hd to external , thene verything froze i turned the computer off with powerbuton after that
16:43<anothername>that error
16:43<trnty>SynrG, the 3rd: https://paste.debian.net/786461/
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16:45<anothername>copy pasting didnt finch too
16:45<anothername>because everything just froze
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16:45<SynrG>trnty: when installing from jessie-backports, specify that as your target, e.g. apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64
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16:46<trnty>SynrG, 2nd https://paste.debian.net/786462/
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16:47<SynrG>trnty: yup, jessie-backports like i thought
16:49<SynrG>The removal may have been the result of missing some dependency that could only be satisfied from jessie-backports
16:49<trnty>SynrG, I typed the command as said, still gave me the same warning, itś ok to install it?
16:49<SynrG>And by specifying the target it allows apt to satisfy those dependencies from jessie-backports
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16:50<SynrG>I gave a new option
16:50<SynrG>-t jessie-backports
16:50<SynrG>Did you try that?
16:51<trnty>yes, still said it will remove: task-desktop task-gnome-desktop xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
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16:53<SynrG>Sec. Looking at a couple of things
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16:53<trnty>ok, here is the paste if you need: https://paste.debian.net/786464/
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16:56<SynrG>Thanks
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16:58<SynrG>Without a closer look at every dependency, i can't see yet why those would be removed
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16:59<SynrG>Why the grsec flavour in particular?
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17:00<trnty>SynrG, So if I install it, gnome will be gone?
17:00<SynrG>There are quite a number of considerations for using grsec
17:01<trnty>SynrG, tbh I wanna try it
17:01<SynrG>Try a smaller change first?
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17:01<trnty>How?
17:01<SynrG>Upgrade to 4.6
17:02<SynrG>If that goes well, try grsec flavour after
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17:03<SynrG>I'm afraid by changing both the kernel version and flavor at once, you may break things and not know which factor caused the breakage
17:03<SynrG>And I've seen enough failed grsec experiences to not be optimistic about your success
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17:04<trnty>so I should get: linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.6 for 64-bit PCs?
17:04<trnty>right?
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17:04<sleser>i think its fixed now
17:05<sleser>how come debian didnt fix orphaned inodes automaticaly on this machine that i use
17:05<sleser>on my laptop it do it auto
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17:05<sleser>do i need to set sertein something somewhere. so n ext time i dont fall in to this problem
17:05<SynrG>trnty: i would try that first, yes. With the jessie-backports target option
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17:08<trnty>SynrG, downloading, you're right, no warnings this time. Thank you, have a nice day.
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17:10<SynrG>No problem
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17:46<guuest123>Hello. Which is the most modern way to turn off power of discrete videocard?
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17:49<jhutchins>Guest3531: Don't use it.
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18:30<hagom>hi guys, does anyone knows how to make a booteable USB on debian 8?
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18:32<musca>!hybrid iso
18:32<dpkg>Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
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18:33<musca>hagom: cp image /dev/sdX
18:34<hagom>thanks
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22:35<sten_>Hi! I just upgraded my laptop (testing; mostly kde+qt related pkgs), and now I have absolutely no sound, not in kde, not in vlc, not in firefox. All the controls say sound is not muted and up (plasma-pa, pavucontrol, alsamixer). But the thinkpad-mute button led is always on now (it was not before). Pressing this button displays the kde-status (muted/unmuted), but does not change the button led. Can anybody help me figuring out what's g
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22:37<awal1>sten_, some one may give you an advice but testing/unstable is #debian-next
22:38<sten_>awal1: oh, thanks, I didn't know! I'll ask there then.
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23:39<sleser>hi any expert around and can tell me what exxactly hapen today with my computer
23:40<sleser>after reboot i had to do fsck -a and aplly to y answer .
23:40<sleser>to get it working again
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23:41<sleser>had something to do with orphaned inode problem
23:41<sleser>and the exactly error name i already forgot
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23:45<fixitman>hello
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23:46<linux>wode
23:46<linux>nnc
23:46<linux>nk
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23:46-!-linux is now known as Guest4863
23:46<Guest4863>ksdnks
23:46<Guest4863>wode
23:47<Guest4863>mmdm
23:47<Guest4863>dddddddd
23:47<fixitman>jjjjj
23:47<sleser>yes your keyboard is working
23:47<fixitman>mmdm
23:47<sleser>:)
23:47<fixitman>:0
23:47<fixitman>:)
23:47<sleser>folks might not like trolling here
23:47<fixitman>sleser tell me about this place
23:48<sleser>its a linux debian obsticle and help chanel
23:48<sleser>thats all it is
23:48<fixitman>i am completely new
23:48<fixitman>coo;
23:48<fixitman>i am new to linux too
23:48<fixitman>I have parrot as my os
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23:48<sleser>i dont know what that is some one els might
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23:49<fixitman>well i have learned that there is mint and ubuntu
23:49<fixitman>and parrot
23:49<sleser>im also new but a litle bit tiny bit advanced
23:49<sleser>i dont consider that i know anything
23:50<sleser>i had mint t hat thing is no good it works out of t he box but then when you use it it learns u then you get tons of telemarketing calls
23:50<sleser>debian is good but a little chalenging man
23:50<sleser>basicaly a peeping tom not mint at all only trouble
23:51<fixitman>ok i will get rid of mint
23:51<sleser>do what you like
23:51<fixitman>so is debian an os
23:51<sleser>its the same thing as mint
23:51<fixitman>i just installed mint
23:51<fixitman>ok
23:51<sleser>all linux the same do iftop on every one of them
23:51<fixitman>cool
23:51<fixitman>what about red hat
23:51<sleser>i heard some one said red hat will charge sometimes for help
23:51<fixitman>oh wow
23:52<fixitman>i though all linux was open source
23:52<sleser>do google search i heard that red hat isnt totaly free long time ago maby 2 years ago not sure what it is now
23:52<fixitman>ok cool thanks
23:52<sleser>yes do google search i may be wrong
23:52<sleser>choose what works for your machine basicaly
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23:53<sleser>read about distro in distrowatch
23:53<fixitman>well the good thing is i have win 10 pro and i have hyper v so i can have multiple os running at the same time
23:53<sleser>cool
23:53<sleser>i gona buy n ew computer too my thing is lauzy its geting old
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23:53<sleser>soon tho maby on the coming halidays
23:53<fixitman>hope so for you
23:53<fixitman>i got a lenovo
23:54<sleser>good brand
23:54<fixitman>win 10 pro has hyper v with it
23:54<sleser>now for like 2500 $ you can get high end zeon prosesor and tons of ram and highest mhz on the prosesor
23:54<sleser>from microcenter
23:55<sleser>that will last for good 8 to 10 years
23:55<fixitman>great'
23:56<sleser>alrite man i gona go do some things nice to see you
23:56<sleser>if you need help just ask and some one will help
23:56<fixitman>ok cool, i am also going to download debian
23:56<sleser>good luck
23:56<fixitman>thanks
23:56<sleser>try any distro you want they all free to test out
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23:57<fixitman>ok cool, will do
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