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01:48<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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01:48<cousin_luigi>Is launchpad the only place for building a kernel package for debian?
01:49<cousin_luigi>If so, is there a way to link to an existing package?
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01:52<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: what is the module that you need, maybe there's a package for it
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01:53<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: there's also dkms which is used by some packages but i believe you can configured to compile modules from any source code you download
01:59<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: Not just a module, I need to add a number of patches.
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02:00<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: I can build it locally, I just don't know if launchpad can do the same as OBS when linking to existing packages.
02:00<cousin_luigi>So, is there yet another option perchance?
02:01<jmcnaught>!kernel handbook
02:01<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
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02:22<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: But that's for building it locally. I can do that.
02:23<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: oh then i suggest you look at some of the dkms packages like virtualbox, nvidia etc and see how they work
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02:24<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: How does dkms help me in finding an online platform for building and sharing my package?
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02:30<MarkedOne>Hello.. I have added backports as new line like jessie-backports main contrib non-free and run `aptitude update && aptitude upgrade` and nothings happened... It seems like it is sticking with old versions.. why?
02:30<jmcnaught>oh right sorry you're trying to package a custom kernel not a module. Debian doesn't use launchpad. If you wanted to get a patched kernel into Debian you could make an intent to package (ITP) bug report and then see if you can find a mentor in the kernel team or debian-mentors to sponsor it
02:31<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: other than that, you can use reprepro to host a repository with your kernel package that you build locally
02:33<bartm>MarkedOne, that sounds like normal behavior, as the backports line has a lower priority
02:33<jmcnaught>MarkedOne: backports are a lower priority in apt, so they won't get upgraded automatically. the idea with backports is to pick a few packages you really need new versions of
02:33<bartm>MarkedOne, do you know which package you want to pull from backports?
02:33<MarkedOne>i understand..
02:34<MarkedOne>bartm: yes eg. bumblebee
02:34<bartm>MarkedOne, see https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to pull a chosen package from backports, like: aptitude -t jessie-backports install "package"
02:34<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: I see. Thanks.
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02:34<MarkedOne>no need for aptitude remove; aptitude install?
02:35<bartm>MarkedOne, I suggest you try aptitude -t jessie-backports install bumblebee
02:35<bartm>and see what happens, so without first doing a remove
02:36<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: if you want to build your own build service you could use a continuous integration service like buildbot or jenkins, and a git hook that triggers a new build of the package (which ends up in your reprepro repository) whenever you make a commit on the master branch
02:36<MarkedOne>bartm: thanks :)
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02:36<bartm>MarkedOne, haa that sounds like it worked :)
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02:37<MarkedOne>bartm: yes and i think it also upgraded dependencies
02:37<bartm>MarkedOne, yes it pulls in dependencies as well, which is good of course
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02:39<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: The main thing for me is having a place where I can share the source with patches in clear sight.
02:40<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: Unless I'm missing something, source packages don't show which patches were applied.
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02:48<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: what do you mean? i just looked at a source package from debian and it's got a debian/patches directory
02:49<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: oh, then it's the one I've been supplied that's the exception:|
02:49<cousin_luigi>trying again
02:50<jmcnaught>cousin_luigi: "apt-get source linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64"
02:51<cousin_luigi>jmcnaught: I mean the custom one which I'm trying to disentangle from useless stuff. I hope it's not deliberate obfuscation, that would be rather uncouth.
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03:06<MarkedOne>As bumblebee channel is silent, and i can't find solution after a day of googling. I would like to ask if someone of you managed to run bumblebee with nouveau driver. I am getting this error. [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version.
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03:11<htu>hello,i am new to debian,and i had meet some problem in install fcitx , it had troubled me for 2days,i had installed fcitx,but it cant start.i had read wiki and documentation,but cant solve the problem
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03:14<jm_>MarkedOne: AFAIK bumblebee is only for nvidia
03:14<jm_>!ask
03:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:15<jm_>ahh no maybe I am wrong, wiki specifically says For users who would like to use the free nouveau driver ...
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03:17<MarkedOne>jm_ yes it is for "nvidia optimus" enabled laptops... but driver for graphic card is matter of choice.. and i am open source oriented so my choice is nouveau... but it dont work and i have no luck of fixiing it myself
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03:19<htu>My fcitx not install gtk2 ,is it important? and it warning Please set environment variable GTK_IM_MODULE to "fcitx" using the tool your distribution provides or add `export GTK_IM_MODULE=fcitx` to your `~/.xprofile`.i dont know how to set
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03:20<jm_>MarkedOne: maybe try #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net
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03:21<jm_>htu: how did you install fcitx?
03:21<htu>by apt-get instll
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03:22<MarkedOne>jm_: I did.. but there is only 29 ppl and it is silent.. Maybe I just need to wait. Anyway that is why i dare to ask here :D
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03:23<jm_>MarkedOne: yeah probably wait is the only option
03:24<jm_>htu: in the shell run export GTK_IM_MODULE=fcitx then in the same shell one app to test
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03:26<htu>it turns no respound
03:26<htu>response
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03:30<jm_>what is your native language?
03:30<jm_>dcc won't work for me, especially not when your client sends port 0
03:31<htu>chinese
03:31<jm_>maybe try asking in the chinese channel
03:31<jm_>!cn
03:31<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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03:35<htu>can i send my problem to your email? i have cut the screensshots..
03:35<jm_>it's unlikely I'll be able to help with this specific problem
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03:36<htu>thanks for your help:)
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03:36<jm_>btw, export command won't show anything, it just sets the env variable
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03:37<htu>is still no work..
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03:38<jm_>the only IM module I ever used was xim and even that was a long time ago
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03:46<htu>the cn channel seems no one online..
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03:47<babilen>htu: My recommendation would be to use ibus based input methods
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03:51<htu>can u give me the documentation..
03:51<htu>thanks
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04:03<babilen>htu: Are you using Gnome?
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04:10<htu>yes
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04:28<babilen>htu: Ah, it helps if you address me (I won't see your messages otherwise)
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04:29<babilen>htu: Which input method do you want?
04:34<htu>fcitx...
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05:05<MarkedOne>Can I use dpkg? if i use it will aptitude know about changes?
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05:09<bartm>MarkedOne, since you ask the question, it's probably better for you to use aptitude (but if you know what you're doing, then using dpkg is allright yes)
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05:11<MarkedOne>bartm: I know aptitude asks apt-get to download package.. and then asks dpkg to install package... But does aptitude tracks which packages it installed OR it asks dpkg?
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05:13<bartm>MarkedOne, the real database on which packages have been installed is managed at the level of dpkg
05:15<MarkedOne>if I install package that is not in repository (manually via dpkg) aptitude will not known about it? If it is package from reposotory... it will
05:15<MarkedOne>Am I right?
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05:32<jm_>aptitude will know it's installed in either case
05:34<babilen>It simply won't know about the package beforehand
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05:34<MarkedOne>thanks :)
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05:52<sylvain>Hello
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06:23<MRX>yo all
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07:28<jetray>hi
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07:45<MarkedOne>Maybe oftopic... Why is creating micro kernel harder than monolitic kernel... Is should be simpler becouse it is decoupling pattern?
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07:55<jm_>probably making it efficient is harder
07:55<jm_>but yeah, maybe continue in #debian-offtopic
07:58<Walex>MarkedOne: #kernelnewbies perhaps
07:58<Walex>MarkedOne: #kernelnewbies perhaps on Freenode
07:59<Walex>MarkedOne: BTW a now unofficial subproject of Debian is Debian-on-Mach, which is sort of halfway
07:59<MarkedOne>Walex: Thx :)
08:00<grawity>how's that different from Debian-on-Hurd
08:00<Walex>MarkedOne: if you look at Mach, consider the difference between single-server and multi-server versions
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08:35<cousin_luigi>How do I build a source package?
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08:37<[exa]>cousin_luigi: you basically follow this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
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08:40<cousin_luigi>[exa]: I can't find the "debuild" command.
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08:42<cousin_luigi>oh, dpkg-buildpackage will do, I suppose
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08:42<cousin_luigi>thanks
08:44<[exa]>debuild is in devscripts package iirc
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08:51<Walex>[exa]: 'dpkg-buildpackage' builds it in your current environment, the "gold standard" is to build in a fresh "clean" environment with 'pdebuild'.
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08:52<Walex>cousin_luigi: 'dpkg-buildpackage' builds it in your current environment, the "gold standard" is to build in a fresh "clean" environment with 'pdebuild'.
08:52<[exa]>yep. :]
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08:53<cousin_luigi>Walex: aha but the wiki should be updated then
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09:36<cousin_luigi>Walex: Do I need a source package named exactly like the one I'm modifying? Is there a way to use the one supplied by debian and keep all of my changes inside debian/patches and environment variables?
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09:39<cousin_luigi>I mean, if I want to add a LOCALVERSION tag for example
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10:14<zathras>Hi. iirc in the past php-documenter was part of Debian and now it isn't anymore? Is there an alternative in Debian to auto generate documentation for PHP projects?
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10:21<blast007>zathras: With a quick search I see phpdox and php-apigen. And doxygen says it has *some* support for PHP. php-apigen sounds like what you might be after though. "ApiGen is the tool for creating professional API documentation from PHP source code, similar to discontinued phpDocumentor/phpDoc."
10:21<zathras>ah. great. ty
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12:53<sara>hi
12:53<sara>im having ruby issues
12:53<sara>msfconsole
12:53<sara>Could not find rake-11.1.2 in any of the sources
12:53<sara>Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
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14:22<CQ>hello, if I want to raid an entire system (new installation), do I need a non-raided boot partition? I would assume so, right?
14:24<r4fdeb>Hi all, I have a hard drive with GPT partition, and I would like to recover some data from it. Occurs that I can't see its contents through other hard drive, where Debian Jessie is installed. Please, is there any command that permit me see and recover data from GPT partition through Debian ?
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14:35<danielsh>r4fdeb, debian can read GPT partitions, yes.. but it's not clear to me what the issue you're seeing is.
14:35<danielsh>do you see a /dev node for the drive? do you get an error message?
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14:37<malha>moi amine
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14:38<Tester>hai
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14:38<malha>من انت
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14:39<Tester>hai all, how can i turn on wifi
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14:46<r4fdeb>Hi danielsh, the question is: I have two hard drives on my computer. One of them I have Debian Jessie with Btrfs ; the other is a Windows 8 that I intend to re format with other Debian, But, first, I have to recover data from this hard drive with GPT partition, and I would like to know if it is possible doing it through Debian Jessie 8.5
14:48<danielsh>r4fdeb, Probably possible, wait here and see if somebody answers.
14:49<r4fdeb>at present, I can't see what is inside this GPT partition through Debian, but also don't know how to proceed
14:49<r4fdeb>ok, danielsh, thanks anyway
14:49<alextheg>Hi, I've got a question regarding apt purge: why doesn't it remove entries in /etc/defaults and /etc/systemd/system or /var/lib/systemd for example?
14:49<danielsh>good luck
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14:53<alextheg>I've got a relatively freshly installed debian testing here and was trying to get to know qemu-kvm (which I didn't have the patience for atm unfortunately) and have then tried to uninstall everything again. However, in the previously mentioned directories, there were still entries of libvirt, virtlogd or virtlockd respectively
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14:54<alextheg>I also came across the kvm module still being loaded, that - however - seems to be the case on a machine where i didn't install any virtualization software, so I guess that doesn't count...
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14:57<awal1>alextheg, trying to get out of your system all qemu, kvm, libvirt stuff?
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14:58<alextheg>yeah, well, not all of it, just reverting back to "before install state"
14:58<alextheg>which I thought, until now, was just an "apt purge" away...
15:02<awal1>alextheg, well, one way is use dpkg -l 1 grep relatedpkgs the purge what you dont need
15:03<awal1>-l | grep... ^
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15:08<awal1>alextheg, try for example aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep qemu* | cut -f 1` and see
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15:10<alextheg>ok, so as I can see, apt did remove all the packages, but not all of the configuration files, as qemu-system-{common,x86} are still 'rc'
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15:11<awal1>remove only removes pkg, purge instead if you want to remove config files.
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15:12<alextheg>sure, what i did was 'apt install virt-manager' and afterwards 'apt purge virt-manager'
15:12<awal1>then autoremove for remmove non-needed pkgs
15:12<alextheg>yes, i did that too
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15:13<awal1>alextheg, depedenciyes and recommends are a complex thing
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15:13<alextheg>I guess I'm going to try to replicate this behaviour in a virtual machine (with virtualbox, as I just didn't get the hang of qemu-kvm today...)
15:14<awal1>aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep qemu* | cut -f 1` will help you to remove almost all qemu stuff
15:15<awal1>change qemu* by virt*, kvm* and so
15:15<awal1>but, of course you should check the output closely before answering 'yes'
15:15<awal1>-s is for simulate
15:15<alextheg>what i did to remove the remainders (well, at least what dpkg -l tells me) was getting the respective package names from dpkg -l | grep foo, and then apt purge, which seems to have removed the configuration files
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15:16<alextheg>which is the same as you told me, as i see...
15:16<awal1>if you want to really apply do things as root without -s
15:16<alextheg>well, thank you!
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15:17<Paolo>Ciao a tutti!
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15:19<alextheg>whats the difference between dpkg -l and dpkg --get-selections (apart from the different informations, they seem to contain the exact same packages; all of which are installed or not completely removed on the system)?
15:19<awal1>personally, I run 'script' utility before installing some stuff. If I install a big metapkg just for try in real hardware I run script the install, . if I want to remove that pkg and all what he installed (deps/recommends) I check the script output file and I proceed so.
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15:20<awal1>of course, one can check logs, but I find script useful
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15:20<awal1>I run script then apt install Xpkg ^
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15:21<alextheg>ah nice tool, thanks for the hint!
15:21<awal1>alextheg, check aptitude/apt/dpkg manuals; you will have to find out that yourself; long to explain...
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15:24<awal1>script output file is by default named typescript, a non-hidden file saved in /home
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15:30<alextheg>would just grepping all lines of dpkg -l beginning with rc and removing them with apt purge be safe, regarding that i wouldn't want to preserve configuration files of deleted packages?
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15:34<awal1>alextheg, your system doesn't need qemu-kvm, virt-manager for run
15:34<awal1>remove what you dont need and installed
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15:50<Siecje>I'm unable to run logrotate on jessie
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15:52<alextheg>root?
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15:53<Siecje>alextheg: Okay I can run it as root. Thanks!
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16:31<ceon>Hi
16:31<ceon>whre didt the talchanel go?
16:31<ceon>talk
16:31<ceon>mine net is shit sorry
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17:18<Istik>Hello ! I'm here for a wifi problem (always the same for those who know me)
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17:19<Istik>I tried to reinstall Elementary OS to save information about my wifi but impossible to set up correctly my wifi card :/
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17:20<Istik>Maybe, some of you could help me. There is a result of a bash script to fin wifi problems : http://paste.debian.net/786964
17:20<Istik>find*
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17:22<ach>hi
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17:24<ach>i have plugged an usb mouse to my computer\laptop and the laser lights but the cursor is not moving. ?
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17:26<sney>Istik: install firmware-realtek and try again
17:27<Istik>sney : For a Broadcom card ?
17:28<ach>i have run dmesg but well i look again more higher but also i got in dmesg a message to mail some linux@kvack.org cause lack who i can not encounter in full what has been meant?
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17:31<grove>!elementary
17:31<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://elementaryos.org/ #elementary on irc.freenode.net.
17:31<sney>Istik: rtl8187 is realtek wireless
17:31<sney>grove: I almost did that too but the problem is with debian
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17:32<ach>sysctl: The scan_unevictable_pages sysctl/node-interface has been disabled for lack of a legitimate use case. If you have one, please send an email to linux-mm@kvack.org.
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17:33<ach>these error is in dmesg but i just wanted to get run my mouse? i think maybe is in comfort to use my mouse?
17:33<sney>ach: that's unlikely to be related to your mouse issue
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17:35<user8327>hi
17:35<Istik>sney : no more wifi :/ http://paste.debian.net/786967/
17:35<user8327>whats up guys_
17:35<user8327>?
17:36<user8327>anyone there?
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17:36<ach>also iptables but unlikely wireless is not secure?
17:36<user8327>are you guys hacking something?
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17:36<sney>Istik: the last paste indicated the rtl8187 was a usb dongle, check the connection
17:36<sney>user8327: no, this is a support channel for debian users
17:38<ach>most likely is it cause i have thrown the port 0 and 1 and both out the network some issue?
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17:38<user8327>cool, i dont use debian, i use ubuntu, tails, kali, parrot, elementry, core, fedora and arch
17:39<sney>user8327: ok. this is a *support* channel so if you just want to chat please go somewhere else
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17:40<user8327>sry love
17:40<ach>no i want just the mouse running
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17:40<Istik_>sney : Ok great. You really save me. Like that I'll have another way to put wifi but my main goal is to switch on my wifi card.
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17:41<ach>or just is it needed to get watched what in the dmesg message is about cause the email address?
17:41<sney>ach: there's not a lot that can go wrong with a mouse. open a terminal, type 'cat /dev/input/mice' and move the mouse, do you see any output?
17:42<ach>as root?
17:42<sney>should work as any user
17:43<ach>no
17:43<Istik_>sney : And now my usb dongle is burnt :/
17:43<sney>have you tried different usb ports
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17:44<sney>Istik_: burnt?
17:44<ach>but as root their are just sine through the touchpad
17:44<ach>yes
17:44<Istik_>sney : Yes, it worked maybe 1min and then no more wifi :/
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17:44<ach>and they both working have just no other computer till 8 o'clock to check the mouse.
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17:45<ach>or?
17:45<sney>sorry, you're saying there's a working touchpad?
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17:46<ach>yeah yes but i wanted to fizzle a fuzz out the right mouse button and break it
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17:47<ach>so i ruined more then one times my way so i wanted to use disable the touchpad that it will not break my type.
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17:48<ach>cause since i broke their something it is extremely sensitive about the right mouse menu appears
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18:37<donda>hi, can someone help me with a question on grub booting of debian?
18:39<ach><.<
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18:39<donda>how can I make a usb stick that replicates my hd grub configuration, that i can use in case my mbr is overwritten?
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18:42<ryouma>in case somebody better informed than i does not answer, you can create a boot partition, rsync to it without sparse, and install grub on it. if your goal is to reuse your internal drive, then you might need to edit the grub config to point root there.
18:42<ryouma>donda:
18:43<vook>donda: can you can dd the mbr, dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr bs=512 count=1
18:43<ach>:
18:43<ryouma>installing grub there might require chroot
18:43<ryouma>hmm, vook's solution might be quicker
18:44<donda>vook, interesting idea, Ill try that
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18:44<donda>vook:
18:45<vook>only the first 446 bytes are mbr though, the last 76 or represent the partition table
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18:45<vook>56
18:45<vook>math is hard
18:46<julcesars>Hi!
18:47<julcesars>how do I open a directory in the GUI as root on Debian 8.5?
18:47<donda>vook: thanks, Ill try and come back
18:47<donda>ryouma: thanks, too
18:47<mtn>julcesars: start your file manager with gksu in a terminal
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18:49<julcesars>mtn: for ex. "gksu dolphin" ?
18:49<donda>well I booted from the stick, got the correct boot menu, and am now back in my debian installation, so it seems to work
18:50<mtn>julcesars: sure, if you use dophin and a root user. if you only use sudo, it would be: gksudo dolphin
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18:50<donda>lets hope it still does after I upgrade my dual-boot win to 10 :)
18:50<donda>vook:
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18:52<julcesars>mtn: here it appears: "command not found"
18:52<mtn>julcesars: hmm, check to see if it is installed
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18:53<julcesars>mtn: Sorry, I am nb in linux
18:53<mtn>julcesars: you can use your package manager, synaptic, to check to see and install if necessary
18:54<julcesars>mtn: what the package needed for this?
18:54<mtn>julcesars: gksu or gksudo, whichever one failed ;)
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18:56<julcesars>mtn: got it! managed to install gksu terminal via! thank you!
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19:08<julcesars>mtn: thanks!
19:08<mtn>julcesars: welcome
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19:10<julcesars>I could open by gksu, solved my other problem! Linux is sensational kkkkkk
19:10<Allred58>Isn't it, though.
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19:12<ach>also 100% -.-
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19:13<julcesars>kkk
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19:25<ach>i am through even security dddd:
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22:33<smemsh>hello, if i want to add comments to a debian bug, what should the email subject be? i notice it goes through into the bug, but that means i have to copy and paste it? really? i don't have mails to reply to since only just subscribed. is there bts-email syntax to just say "keep thread subject?"
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22:36<manuu>Hi, I'm using mstsc from a windows machine to connect to xrdp to get an xfce desktop, but clipboard doesn't work. I've tried autocutsel in different shapes on the ~/.xsessionrc without luck.. anyone knows?
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