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01:35<trnty>hi people
01:37<Allred58>Missed one letter from spelling Trinity. (Okay, technically it's two...)
01:37<trnty>Quick question: changing the source.list to "tor+http://" will send my traffic via Tor even if the address is no an Onion site?
01:38<trnty>Allred58 :)
01:40<Allred58>I guess I'd learn a bit if I were to read the chat here more often. Sadly I know very little about Debian or Linux in general.
01:41<Arcade>you might try joining #tor trnty and ask there
01:41<Allred58>Still alive eh Arcade ;)
01:42<trnty>Arcade will do, I tried here first because I've learned it in a Debian post
01:42<trnty>thanks guys
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01:42<trnty>see ya
01:43*Arcade points to Allred58 to #debian-offtopic
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02:42<C-Keen>Hm, I get a warning about upgrading untrusted packages. How can I find out why they are untrusted and how do I restore the chain of trust there?
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02:42<C-Keen>I am using apt-transport-tor with the onion services listed at http://onion.debian.org
02:43<C-Keen>Packages in question are: openjdk-7-jdk openjdk-7-jre-headless openjdk-7-jre
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02:45<grove>!bat
02:45<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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03:23<C-Keen>grove: http://paste.debian.net/787003/
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03:24<C-Keen>grove: and http://paste.debian.net/787004/ for the tor packages
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03:32<storge>hello debian. i had an odd thing happen tonight where i had to comment out CONFIG_TRUSTED_KEYS to allow kernel compiles to complete. i compile about weekly (whenever new versions are released) and i've never seen that one before. the make error specifically mentioned debian certs, which is why i mention it here.
03:32<storge>any thoughts?
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03:33<storge>maybe this is better for #debian-next
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03:39<jm_>well make sure you tell them the exact error
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03:45<grove>C-Keen: Don't address those to me, there are other people here that are just as qualified to help
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04:47<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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04:48<cousin_luigi>Is deb-pkg affected my make-kpkg?
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04:59<bartm>cousin_luigi, "affected"?
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05:02<cousin_luigi>bartm: by changing configuration files or something
05:02<cousin_luigi>but I see I'm missing something else here
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06:18<chrisr_>Hi! Is this a channel where I can ask about creating dpkg packages, or would debian-dpkg be more appropriate
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06:20<jm_>there's #debian-mentors, but mention if you are not packaging for debian
06:21<bartm>chrisr_, you could simply ask the question and see whether someone helps
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06:41<cousin_luigi>jm_: Thanks, I will try asking there.
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06:47<bartm>is there some easy way to configure apt so that packages installed with "apt-get build-dep" are eligible for removal by "apt-get autoremove"?
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06:48<bartm>would be convenient, to remove those dependencies of a package after having worked on the package
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09:05<l0rdcalder0n>Hi folks
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09:06<l0rdcalder0n>Does full disk encryption on SSD drive reduce its lifetime?
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09:13<petn-randall>l0rdcalder0n: Depends on how you use, and probably not.
09:14<petn-randall>l0rdcalder0n: You can use FDE with the discard option, and it will have exactly the same fill + writes as an unencrypted disk.
09:15<petn-randall>l0rdcalder0n: Downside is that you can guesstimate the underlying filesystem and probably file sizes, so you reveal more metadata.
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09:19<l0rdcalder0n>petn-randall: Thank you, very clear!
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09:19<petn-randall>l0rdcalder0n: If you do set it up, remember that every layer you're using needs to have the discard option set somehow.
09:19<petn-randall>l0rdcalder0n: That means filesystem, LVM, LUKS, RAID, if you're using any of them.
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09:25<l0rdcalder0n>petn-randall: Perfect,
09:25<l0rdcalder0n>petn-randall: I have already configured that way.
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10:19<chrisr_>My cmake-built debian package also installs headers. How can I prevent the headers from being part of the package?
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10:21<NotZenified>chrisr_: CMake switch?
10:21<hadi>hi
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10:22<NotZenified>hadi: Don't ask to ask, just ask
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10:26<chrisr_>NotZenified: ok, will check
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10:26<chrisr_>another question: Is there an example about how to compile sphinx documentation for a package?
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10:29<NotZenified>go to /doc/ && make?
10:29<NotZenified>That's what most do
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10:36<chrisr_>NotZenified: will dh_install pick them up automatically?
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10:37<NotZenified>Idk
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11:14<Domi>Hello, I have I problem. I want to use a webapp for tomcat with debian. It works greate on a ubuntu test server. But if I deploy the war file to the debian server with the most recent tomcat installation the websockets don
11:14<Domi>'t work
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12:00<zathras>I am not really into ruby/gems, but when I try to reinstall redmine I get an error stating redcarpet is not installed. The debian package actually is, yet: gems query --local does not show it
12:00<zathras>how to commence please?
12:01<zathras>I prefer the debian method and install gems only through apt if possible (and it should, but probably in the past gems might have been manually installed on this server)
12:01<zathras>ah. I should probably ask on the debian-ruby channel
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12:06<dr0lan>why not gem install -g?
12:07<Yst>Because "I prefer the debian method and install gems only through apt if possible".
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12:08<Yst>I can't argue with that, I prefer installing software directly through Aptitude myself, I don't like having to use non-Debian channels.
12:08<Yst>I can't say I have enough experience with Ruby to answer the question though.
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12:09<dondelelcaro>zathras: I'd try to install it that way; frankly, almost every language has their own installer system, and after a while it becomes tedious to keep things up to date.
12:09<dr0lan>yeah I can understand that as well but it's a gem that requires another gem dependency, I'm not sure how well they are ported to aptitude if at all
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12:11<dondelelcaro>well, in this case, redmine is packaged for Debian, so in theory all of the gems should be
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12:13<zathras>sorry, I had a rare desktop freeze and missed what was said to me
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12:14<Yst>zathras: PM.
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12:15<zathras>yes, ty
12:15<Yst>Yeah, no problem.
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12:18<zathras>hmm. odd, after 15+ years of Debian I have never seen this before iirc: E: Internal Error, No file name for redmine:amd64
12:19<zathras>I get that using apt-get as well as by using aptitude
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12:21<jmcnaught>zathras: when do you get that error? can you show the command you use?
12:21<zathras>apt-get install --reinstall redmine
12:21<zathras>is an example
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12:22<zathras>but also in the n-curses interface of aptitude
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12:22<zathras>clearing the cache does also not help
12:22<jmcnaught>zathras: perhaps you could show the full output of that command in a paste? I just created a container and am installing Redmine in it right now
12:23<jmcnaught>zathras: although my actual redmine instance is installed from git, not the packages :/
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12:24<zathras>http://pastie.org/private/wphstjapcqwqobilqxwgnq
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12:25<jmcnaught>zathras: have you manually deleted files in /var ?
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12:25<zathras>jmcnaught, no, I have not
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12:27<zathras>might by worth nothing: at some point in an apt-get session my keyboard mapping/font changed which was quite odd
12:27<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell zathras about bat
12:27<zathras>also during an attempt to reinstall redmine btw
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12:27<jmcnaught>zathras: this looks like a problem with the dpkg database more than a redmine or gems issue
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12:28<zathras>I fear it started with a gem issue and now I have an apt issue added to it :-(
12:28<Yst>dpkg: tell Yst about bat
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12:30<zathras>http://pastie.org/private/lm6q0rld98etskaek5y2ya
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12:32<jmcnaught>Yst: you can /msg the bot too :)
12:34<jmcnaught>zathras: what happens if you remove redmine? does "apt-get update" return any errors?
12:35<zathras>apt-get update --> works as expected, no errors
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12:36<jmcnaught>zathras: i wonder if the redmine files are missing from /var/lib/dpkg/info/? does "dpkg --configure -a" report anything?
12:37<zathras>hmm. odd. redmine now tries to install. I tried to avoid removing it as it was a heavy custom config (trying to support multiple instances)
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12:37<zathras>at some point it simply broke during an apt-get update/upgrade
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12:38<jmcnaught>zathras: remove will leave configuration files. purge remove configs.
12:39<zathras>true
12:39<zathras>I am back at the stage where I get: Could not find gem 'redcarpet (~> 3.1) ruby' in the gems available on this
12:39<zathras>machine.
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12:39<jmcnaught>zathras: what's the full context?
12:39<zathras>redmine complains after that after making the inital db connection during setup
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12:41<jmcnaught>zathras: i mean can you please show command and full output so i don't have to guess?
12:41<zathras>http://pastie.org/private/qqc9lr5nvi6swreuptpmg
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12:42<zathras>sorry for being incomplete. But as you can see, nothing really out of the ordinary
12:42<jmcnaught>zathras: thanks. you say it's possible that local gems were installed on this computer? can you track them down?
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12:43<zathras>uhm. Probably, but I would have to google for that. "gems query --local" does not show redcarpet btw
12:44<zathras>I try to avoid messes like pecl, gems, (repository X of language Y), so I am not very familiar with it
12:45<jmcnaught>zathras: or maybe did someone manually delete gems that were installed by dpkg? (not sure if you're the only admin)
12:45<zathras>as is probably proven here, it is the ultimate method of creating servers with issues
12:46<zathras>I am the only admin, and I *think* I have installed gems in the past manually to get redmine working. The package used to be quite crappy in the past but seems ok now
12:48<jmcnaught>zathras: i'm not really an expert with gems either. i've got to go now, but i would consider installing redmine in a VM or container so you can poke around at a working sample, and see if you can track down where ruby might be getting confused about gems that could be locally installed or modified from the dpkg managed versions
12:48<zathras>ok. thank you very much
12:48<jmcnaught>zathras: anyways good luck, i'll look here later to see if you're still working on it
12:49<zathras>cool. ty
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12:54<Yst>jmcnaught: Yeah, I should have probably have done that. There's also a way to get the bot to tell you something directly instead of telling it to tell you as if you're a third person, but I don't know how to use that option.
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13:28<avocat>Hi
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13:28<avocat>What OS have you?
13:29<mtn>gee, I wonder
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14:31<nils>hi, maybe simple question bzt can someone point me to a guide to set up my server so that i can fetch my emails (from local user nils) with my smartphone? i use exim4 . Sending and Receiving works fine on the server, but i have no clue how to fetch those with my smartfone
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14:33<olivier>Hello, Why to choose debian ?
14:33<nils>its simply the best distro
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14:34<bartm>nils, I googled "mail server debian" and the first hit is a nice guide for setting up a mail server with pop or imap, both suitable for fetching mails from a smartphone
14:34<olivier>nils : and for other reasons ?
14:35<bartm>olivier, for the excellent packaging system, and the huge number of volunteers contributing to it?
14:35<olivier>okay
14:35<olivier>bartm: and how Can I install debian
14:36<olivier>because I have ubuntu but i don't like it, I prefer debian
14:36<nils>bartm, stable and reliable, nice community, wide support of debs and so on
14:36<bartm>olivier, if someone asks me "I want to start with linux, which distro should I start with?" then I'd answer "debian, abolutely" :)
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14:36<nils>whoops
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14:36<olivier>bartm : I'm on ubuntu but I prefer debian :)
14:36<bartm>olivier, well ubuntu is also very nice
14:36<nils>wrong one.. sorry bartm, nonetheless.. could you please /p me the link? I my google.com/de doesnt find that one.
14:37<olivier>bartm : yes but I have problems with ubuntu
14:37<olivier>bartm : so, how can I install debian ?
14:38<nils>olivier, installation is quite similar to ubuntu. go to debian.org , download an image, choose graphical install (if you want that) and click your way through the questions
14:38<olivier>okay
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14:40<bartm>olivier, the green link "download debian 8.5" on the top right corner on debian.org is probably what you want
14:41<olivier>okayy
14:41<bartm>olivier, and then use that image for a bootable usb stick https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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14:42<olivier>bartm : I download the image
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14:44<olivier>bartm: thank you for your help :)
14:44<AlexAgain>hi people, I'm trying to install debian on an asus x205ta, I found this https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA, but I'm unsure where I'm supposed to download the iso?
14:45<AlexAgain>or is it saying just take the standard one?
14:45<AlexAgain>thanks in advance for any help
14:45<olivier>Alexagain : go to debian.org
14:46<bartm>AlexAgain, yes, the green link "download debian 8.5" on the top right corner on debian.org is probably what you want
14:46<olivier>yes
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14:46<AlexAgain>oh, that's easy, thanks
14:47<bartm>AlexAgain, and olivier knows how to use that for a bootable usb stick :)
14:47<olivier>bartm : :)
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14:49<olivier>bartm : really, I know how to use that for a bootable usb stick
14:49<olivier>:)
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14:51<bartm>AlexAgain, errrr... I see on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA that you'd need kernel 4, so that green link is not what you want unfortunately
14:51<bartm>AlexAgain, for the wireless/wifi... see the wiki page
14:51<AlexAgain>but wait do I need to do what it says here https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA for wifi?
14:51<AlexAgain>ok
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14:52<bartm>you could consider installing debian stretch (=testing) instead of debian jessie (=stable) to have kernel 4
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14:52<AlexAgain>so I get kernel 4, but I'm running windows on this computer so how should I get the firmware?
14:52<AlexAgain>wget https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/broadcom/wlan/+archive/master/bcmdhd/firmware/bcm43341.tar.gz
14:52<AlexAgain>and such
14:54<bartm>another approach is to install debian jessie not using the network install (which is that green link) but the normal cds http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso and fix wireless/wifi after installing debian
14:54<AlexAgain>i see, I'll try this first https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/42rozt/how_to_install_debian_on_an_asus_x205ta_laptop/
14:55<bartm>yes that looks like a usable guide
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14:56<AlexAgain>bartm : thanks I'll be back if I fail again
14:56<bartm>(although it's 6 months old, and the unofficial debian iso images with firmware may already include what you need...)
14:57<AlexAgain>which debian iso is that?
14:58<AlexAgain>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/?
14:58<bartm>like this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_alpha7/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
14:58<olivier>bartm : You know how can I create a bootable usb stick on ubuntu ?
14:58<AlexAgain>cool thanks then I'll stick that on there
14:58<olivier>I know it's a idiot question...
14:58<bartm>it's the same iso as that green link but with a bunch of firmwares added, so possibly covering your network card, but I haven't checked that though
14:58<olivier>for my question..
14:59<bartm>olivier, the link I gave was about creating a bootable usb on debian, not ubuntu
14:59<olivier>bartm : okay
14:59<olivier>but I don't know how can I create a bootable usb stick on ubuntu
15:00<bartm>olivier, this is a debian related channel, so I suggest you try an ubuntu related channel for questions on ubuntu
15:00<olivier>bartm : I found how :)
15:00<olivier>it's okay
15:00<bartm>good for you
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15:03<olivier>bartm: so, I go install debian on my computer... Thank you for your help :)
15:03<bartm>olivier, good luck and enjoy
15:03<olivier>bartm : thank you
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15:34<mupudu>has there been some change to sudo's behavior. even though i have a user specified with NOPASSWD it is now prompting for one
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15:38<lindi-_>mupudu: what does "sudo -l" list?
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15:42<bartm>lindi-_, see "man sudo"
15:42<lindi-_>bartm: ?
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15:42<bartm>oww I misunderstood that, sorry
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15:44<mupudu>lindi-_: says use rmay run the following commands: (root) NOPASSWD: ALL and (ALL : ALL) ALL
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15:48<mupudu>i have the user set to ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL in sudoers. maybe something with the syntax changed??
15:49<lindi-_>mupudu: which sudo versions did you compare?
15:50<mupudu>lindi-_: 1.8.17p1-2 has the issue, 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3 on another machine does not
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15:51<ryouma>so there's apt(1) and apt-get and aptitude. and occasionally some break. for cli, what do most people use on jessie?
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15:52<mupudu>ryouma: i use "apt-get update" and then dpkg to install
15:52<lindi-_>ryouma: I use apt-get
15:53<lindi-_>mupudu: and "sudo -l" does not ask for a password?
15:53<mupudu>ryouma: sorry, i meant dselect not dpkg to install: sudo apt-get update && sudo dselect install
15:54<mupudu>lindi-_: sudo -l does not but sudo -i does
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15:56<mupudu>ryouma: that's for updating. for installing single package or multiple i use apt-get install ....
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15:57<mupudu>ryouma: you can also do cool things like apt-get install cool_app uncool_app- and the - will cause uncool_app to uninstall
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16:02<musca>ryouma: apt is fancy and apt-get is admin's workhorse
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16:10<ryouma>note: we're talking cli, not tui or gui. i switched to aptitude long ago because at least at the time it stored state that apt-get didn't.. but i no longer do pinning or whatever it is that the remaining difference amounts to. and aptitude is slow. and there was a recent thing about aptitude deleting a huge number of htings without asking on a mailing list, but did not find the resolution to it. so, while these
16:10<ryouma> reasons might have counterarguments, i am thinking of just switching back to apt-get.
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16:18<anonymous>hello
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16:24<ryouma>perhaps i should try apt(1)
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17:41<rowledge>hey guys
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18:37<moises>youtube
18:37<moises>facebook
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18:38<moises>help
18:38<moises>root
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19:45<psychokiller>hello! someone can help me?
19:46<blast007>!ask
19:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:47<psychokiller>ok! I can't install the gnome control center because of dependencies
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20:31<kerneld>How do I make xorg use the vmware driver for mouse/display? Been a while and config files are all differen than I last looked
20:33<sney>xorg.conf syntax is still the same, just make a single file with a Mouse section and put it in /etc/xorg.conf.d/
20:33<kerneld>cool, leme check it out
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21:47<richard>good
21:47<richard>hi
21:48<kerneld>hello
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21:48<richard>where
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21:49<richard>hello pi
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21:49<sney>richard: this is a support channel for debian users, do you have a question?
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21:53<kerneld>im suprised how quite it is. Used to be lots of chitchat here
21:53<sney>it fluctuates
21:53<kerneld>like 12 years ago. (ducks)
21:54<sney>nobody needs help anymore, we can all go home. ha
21:56<kerneld>im torn on weather to bring back my email into something like cyrus again or leave it in gmail with my postfix virtual aliases
21:56<kerneld>I kinda like not having to wory about the email client surface area
21:57<kerneld>any canned configs with cyrus and ecs?
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22:37<renowifi>hello all
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