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03:06<Tubber>goodmorning
03:09<Tubber>Have a problem with my locale settings. After trying to automate a deployment I cant manually change the locale settings with dpkg-reconfigure from POSIX to e.g da_DK.UTF
03:11<jm_>define "can't"
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03:13<Tubber>executing the dpkg-reconfigure locales and choosing the e.g da_DK.UFT not locales a generated and using the `locale`command it shows that all locale settings are set to POSIX
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03:14<jm_>does it update /etc/locale.gen?
03:15<Tubber>nope
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03:29<jm_>try adding 'set -x' to /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst and see what happens there
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03:38<Tubber>there was a lot of output to stdout and the LANG and LANGUAGE is blank now. How can I reset/change the LC_* settings
03:39<Tubber>LC_Ctype and so on
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03:45<jamesmc>Have a look in /etc/default/locale. It should have the settings you chose.
03:46<jm_>more info here http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
03:46<jm_>you can also manually edit locale.gen
03:46<Tubber>hmm Only the LANG is set. I'll try to add it myself
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03:47<jamesmc>Setting LANG (and maybe LANGUAGE) should be all that's required, usually
03:48<jamesmc>But that wiki page has pretty clear information
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03:48<Tubber>okay thanks I will check the wiki out
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03:58<Tubber>hmm after the locales are correct but is it possible restart/reload the locales
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03:59<jm_>what do you mean with restart locales? that makes no sense to me
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04:01<Tubber>It seems that after reboot it reads the locals correctly so it must to read it at some point and I want to trigger that without reboot
04:01<jm_>I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
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04:03<Tubber>it is my locales that are teasing me and they wont change without a reboot
04:04<jamesmc>Do they not change if you log out and log in again?
04:04<jamesmc>They won't change in a running shell, for example
04:07<Tubber>after trying to change is to danish the POSIX is back and will not change with a relog
04:07<jm_>it's enough to just set new env vars and it will change in shell
04:07<jamesmc>I don't remember how it works off the top of my head
04:07<jamesmc>Do login shells inherit locale settings from sshd/getty/whatever, or do they get read during login?
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04:08<jamesmc>Hmm, they must get read because /etc/default/locale overrides what you have in your env when you ssh
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04:09<Tubber>they should not inherit locales
04:09<jm_>some get it via pam_env module, grep locale /etc/pam.d/*, sshd can also get it from remote, see the wiki
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04:10<jamesmc>Yeah, it can do if you don't set a default
04:12<jamesmc>Yeah, I just tested it. When I ssh to my machine, whatever I have in my env is overridden by the default, like the wiki says.
04:12<jamesmc>So at least for ssh logins, you should get the behaviour you want
04:12<Tubber>think I will manage the /etc/default/locales with what locales it needs.
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04:14<Tubber>Thanks guys, it Has been really helpful and i am really glad for your help. I think I need a cup of coffee to get my head around this
04:15<jamesmc>Coffee fixes all ills :)
04:15<jamesmc>Except caffeine shakes :(
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04:37<Tubber>it looks like someone needs one :)
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06:46<alexis>Anyone knows a way to reinstall steam without losing any of installed games?
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06:48<duclicsic>it just installs games to some directory, the path to which escapes me right now. just back it up.
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06:54<alexis>ok, I have backed up ~/.steam/steam
06:54<alexis>is apt-get purge steam the best way to remove steam?
06:54<duclicsic>i don't know about 'best', but it should do the job
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06:59<alexis>ok, thank you :)
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07:06<farsight>hallo
07:07<SynrG>!ask
07:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:36<alexis>any ideas how I can switch between graphic cards using mesa drivers?
07:36<alexis>I have 2 AMD graphic cards, one is CPU integrated
07:38<Anarka>they are probably both active
07:39<alexis>how can I tell it to use the dedicated card?
07:39<alexis>I am using a laptop btw
07:39<alexis>and it seems to be using the CPU integrated one
07:39<Anarka>xrandr --listproviders
07:39<Anarka>or just xrandr
07:41<alexis>it lists 2 providers
07:41<Anarka>but both cards dont use the same vga/hdmi/tc
07:42<Anarka>port
07:43<jm_>maybe this helps https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
07:43<jm_>but the examples are all for intel + amd/nvidia :)
07:43<Anarka>but should be able to select via xorg conf
07:44<Anarka>details :)
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07:49<alexis>do changes in xorg affect games that run using opengl?
07:49<Anarka>yes
07:50<Anarka>it owuld affect everything you see
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07:50<Anarka>btw you said mesa drivers ? arent you using amd drivers ?
07:51<Anarka>or whatever they have...
07:51<alexis>the proprietary drivers?
07:51<Anarka>yeah
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07:54<alexis>no, I was before, but some games on steam don't support them. they only support the open source version. I was told AMD discontinued the fglrx drivers, and is now working on mesa
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07:56<Anarka>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo these ?
07:56<alexis>those are the ones I am using now
07:58<Anarka>both cards use the hdmi/displayport/something ?
07:58<Anarka>use the same
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07:59<alexis>it's a laptop, so I only have one hdmi port
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08:00<Anarka>lspci should show you both cards, and the link jm_ pasted tells you how to use the bus id in xorg
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08:01<Anarka>then again you could just type your laptop model + linux in google and see if theres a more... "standard" solution
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08:06<Anarka>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Hybrid_Graphics
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08:11<alexis>it says is for debian 9
08:11<alexis>I am using 8.5
08:12<alexis>I don't know if the latest mesa drivers are present in this version
08:12<Anarka>probably not
08:12<alexis>I also have the problem that both are called radeon in my system
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08:13<Anarka>mesa exists in backports so that part is easy
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08:14<alexis>you mean I can install the latest version in my system?
08:14<Anarka>aptitude search ~imesa
08:15<Anarka>lists all installed mesa named packages, then check if they exist in https://packages.debian.org/mesa under jessie-backports
08:15<Anarka>!backports
08:15<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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08:20<anonymous_>ddos
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08:20<[exa]>I'm planning to setup a small debian repository for company-internal packages. Is there some standard way to create a small package that only adds the repo to sources and adds APT keys (and probably some other stuff)? I thought there'd be some tool for that since many projects (nodejs, elasticsearch, ...) have similar packages for their stuff.
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08:27<alexis>Anarka, okay so I need to do "$ apt-get -t jessie-backports install libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 ?
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08:28<Anarka>maybe :) and from wiki also firmware-linux-nonfree
08:29<alexis>is there such things as a meta package that has all the mesa related packages?
08:30<Anarka>i dont see one
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08:32<alexis>I will just install every package for mesa, and see what happens :p
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08:32<Anarka>and also firmware-linux-nonfree
08:32<user__>can anyone tell me how compatible bunsenlabs linux and debian are ?
08:33<alexis>I have firmware-linux-nonfree already :)
08:34<alexis>Anarka, thanks for all your help :) I will restart and see what happens!
08:34<Anarka>gl
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08:34<Anarka>guarantee sadly not included
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09:49<irc0debian2org>Hello!
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09:54<irc0debian2org>i am a blind. can you help me to run speech after installation debian 7 or 8?
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09:55<irc0debian2org>I can install debian with speakup, but after reboot after installation my pc not say. no sound.
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10:01<jemadux>irc0debian2org: why not try ubuntu ?
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10:04<irc0debian2org>i need to use this system without gui. only console. server mode. as i know in ubuntu no speech in text-mode installation
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10:11<narcan>irc0debian2org: Hi, ask your question on #debian-ally
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10:15<berto>o eso o me acerco por la tarde y tomamos un helado
10:16<berto>(wrong window :))
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10:20<musca>narcan: it is #debian-a11y
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10:29<Guest5552>hello there. Installing Debian Testing on a Lenovo Yoga 900 (convertible laptop-tablet). Touchpad not detected, so far. Anyone here has been through this installation?
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10:30<miguel__>the non-detected touchpad has been during the installation. We'll see now.
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10:41<corw>hi to all, i'm on unstable x86-64 and i'd like to compile a 32-bit binary, i've installed gcc and g++ 6.1.1, which packages have i to install?
10:42<berto>corw: libc6-dev-i386 at least
10:42<berto>then use gcc -m32
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10:47<corw>lib-c6-dev-i386 is installed, but gcc -m32 gives : /usr/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/crtbegin.o' is incompatible with i386 output
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10:49<zumbi>corw: do you have gcc-multilib installed?
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10:51<corw>are also necessary libgcc-6-dev:i386 libgcc1:i386 ?
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10:58<cusco>hi
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10:59<cusco>is there a common way to tell logrotate to use date in filename instead of .1 .2 .3 etc?
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11:01<Zorkel>Hi could I get some advice in trying to find which linux distro would be most suitable to me and my needs?
11:03<zumbi>Zorkel: which are those needs? we can probably tell if debian could be suitable here
11:05<Zorkel>I would like to use rtorrent and irc chats and also watch a few movies/tv but also run steam and steam games and possibly also run windows 8.1 through a vm probably oracle virtualbox tried to install steam on a debian vm but got some depency missing
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11:05<zumbi>Zorkel: Debian is suitable to do all that
11:06<Zorkel>I have also had some issues working properly with debian but more related to me f***n up due to pebcak
11:09<Zorkel>thought I do favor debian with cinnamon as desktop not entirely fond of ubuntu while it seems to be semi friendlier but lacks a few options when it comes to options in packages out of the box
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11:15<dr0lan>Zorkel: i don't consider linux the friendliest gaming platform unless you only play small indie games. have you considered dual booting?
11:16<Zorkel>I have indeed that's what I would like to do now for starters also made a clone of current windows os/boot partition
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11:27<corw>zumbi: thx, with gcc-multilib created 32bit binary
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11:46<zumbi>corw: great! :)
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12:00<corw>what's the difference between /lib32 /libx32?
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12:10<eSa|>the dist-upgrade did well, libpulsecommon-1.0.so don't bother anymore
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12:14<eSa|>the ews88mt is recognized and used by pavucontrol but from the analog output no sound rather the meter shows activity
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12:43<skitt>corw, /lib32 is for 32-bit i386 libraries, /libx32 for 32-bit x32 libraries
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13:23<Guest4176>since about a week or two ago, I can no longer use the owncloud service in gnome-goa; syslog reports the following:
13:23<Guest4176>https://paste.debian.net/787668/
13:24<Guest4176>I'm also unable to log in with Iceweasel/FF; but somehow can with Chromium
13:24<Guest4176>the same credentials and server also, strangely enough, work just fine on a different debian jessie machine on the same network
13:24<Guest4176>any ideas?
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16:39<sodso>Is it possible to do block level image of a disk, that the Debian is running on?
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16:41<jmcnaught>sodso: if you use LVM you can make a snapshot of the volume and do a block level copy of the snapshot. Otherwise there is no guarantee that data will be consistent because changes will happen while the block level copy is happening
16:42<sodso>jmcnaught, I'm using LVM, is it good strategy for backup?
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16:43<jmcnaught>sodso: lots of people use LVM snapshots as part of their backup strategy (by making a snapshot, then backing that up since the snapshot won't change while it is being copied)
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16:43<sodso>jmcnaught, How does encrypted LVM changes things?
16:44<jmcnaught>sodso: do you mean your LVM PVs are encrypted volumes? it wouldn't change anything, LVM is a layer on top of the encryption in that case
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16:46<sodso>jmcnaught, I'm typing password before Debian proceeds to login screen. Thank you for help. I'll look up information for how to do it.
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16:49<sodso>jmcnaught, is it just this LVM partition, or will it be also MBR, and other similar things?
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16:50<jmcnaught>sodso: if you make a snapshot of an LVM volume, it only has the information on the origin volume
16:51<sodso>jmcnaught, what exactly does volume mean in this context?
16:51<jmcnaught>sodso: a logical volume, which is LVM jargon for the equivalent to a partition
16:52<jmcnaught>sodso: the "lvs" command lists your logical volumes
16:53<sodso>jmcnaught, so, for example, after creating the backup of a snapshot, is it possible to restore the data onto another drive or on the same drive that was cleared?
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16:55<jmcnaught>sodso: what are you trying to accomplish? regular automated backups for a server? periodic manual backups for a laptop?
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16:57<sodso>jmcnaught, I was thinking of doing image of a hard drive, so I could later restore the system to the state after installation. (use for this clonezilla). But I wondered if it is possible to do it when the system is running
16:58<jmcnaught>sodso: no for this it's better to do from a live disk
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16:59<sodso>jmcnaught, thank you for help
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17:01<jmcnaught>sodso: you're welcome. you may still find some uses for LVM snapshots, for example make a snapshot before making a bunch of changes, then you can revert to the snapshot. You do need free space in the LVM volume group to create snapshots
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17:02<sodso>jmcnaught, I'll do that to learn about it.
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17:05<jmcnaught>sodso: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ <--- this is a pretty good introduction to LVM
17:05<sodso>jmcnaught, I'll digress for a moment, but, I was installing Debian 8.5 eariler and selection of the timezone was limited to the locale selected earlier instead of to the whole world. Wonder what function it fulfills?
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17:06<sodso>jmcnaught, thank you for this introduction
17:07<jmcnaught>sodso: oh i'm not sure. You can run "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to see/change the timezone you have configured.. if you do that does it give you a list that includes your timezone?
17:09<sodso>jmcnaught, yes, I've changed it from the desktop environment, (dpkg-reconfigure tzdata also works), but it was not possible during installation in graphic mode (or I have missed something)
17:10<jmcnaught>sodso: sorry i'm not sure what that's about
17:10<sodso>jmcnaught, for example, for country of Unated States the set of timezones to choose from was only for this country
17:11<sodso>jmcnaught, not a problem for me, but I wonder what is the idea behind it because it is the first time I've encountered it
17:13<jmcnaught>sodso: i haven't run the installer recently, but i think it asks you about the location of the computer, the keyboard layout, and the locale all as separate questions, so having the installer limit timezone choices to ones that are in the location selected by the user makes some sense
17:13<jmcnaught>but it's been a while
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17:16<sodso>jmcnaught, It does, but if someone needs different time that locale, it may be inconvenience imo. Wonder if this difference in time may cause some problems in some network connections, but it is just wild idea.
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17:17<sodso>jmcnaught, It is time for me for now. Thank you for valuable help.
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19:15<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know if I can use ote
19:16<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I'd like to know if I can use other application or open browser while I run "sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024 /dev/sda" in Debian Jessie 8.5
19:18<R4F_Debian>Please, can I run 'ktorrent', 'xchat' or 'firefox' while this command is running ?
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19:59<anonymous_>anyone need heelp call me on 004915754967414
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