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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-08-10

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03:13<guardian>hello, on a debian jessie I'm root with some other coworkers, I notice /etc changed (thanks to etckeeper)
03:13<guardian>I'm alone in the office, and I noticed /etc/rcS.d content changed, it's only renames: e.g. S04checkfs.sh became S01checkfs.sh
03:14<guardian>what could have caused this change? some apt command or some coworker doing it manually? (I'm alone in the office today)
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03:20<jmcnaught>guardian: someone enabled or disabled a service is what it sounds like to me, and they forgot to commit the changes
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03:29<guardian>there's also rcS.d/S01checkroot-bootclean.sh that became rcS.d/S07mountall-bootclean.sh
03:29<guardian>in fact I can't see any new script in there, just shuffling
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03:44<guardian>can someone please explain how those scripts are created? searching packages.debian.org doesn't tell me from which package it comes
03:46<jm_>dpkg -S checkfs.sh and dpkg -S checkroot-bootclean.sh
03:46<dpkg>There is no record of a checkfs.sh and dpkg -S checkroot-bootclean.sh package
03:47<duclicsic>the package is 'initscripts'
03:47<guardian>so maybe my etckeeper is broken
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03:47<guardian>in the git log of /etc, I have no trace of initscripts package being upgraded
03:47<guardian>basefiles package was though
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03:48<guardian>or maybe etckeeper doesn't list dependencies
03:49<jm_>what is basefiles?
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03:51<guardian>I meant base-files
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07:22<vane>help
07:22<vane>HELP REGISTER
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09:03<exezin>Hi, for some reason whenever I switch over to a tty, the text 'Recovering journal' and 'clean, <some device><etc>' is stuck on the screen, and I can't do anything
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09:30<eSa|># apt-cache policy amule
09:30<eSa|>amule:
09:30<eSa|> Installato: (nessuno)
09:30<eSa|> Candidato: (nessuno)
09:30<eSa|> Tabella versione:
09:30-!-eSa| was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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09:32<eSa|>http://paste.debian.net/787861/ why no candidates for amule? did I mess with apt configuration?
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09:34<anonymous_>hola
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09:37<hitlin37>Hi, is it possible to dig in esr10-dev package for armel?
09:38<blast007>eSa|: amule isn't in jessie
09:38<hitlin37>anywhere?
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09:38<eSa|>,v amule
09:38<judd>Package: amule on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b3; stretch: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1+b3
09:39<eSa|>jar -> just another repository :-/
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09:46<BigRedS_>Getting preseeding set up, we've got a preseed file that works and that's all good, but the installer pauses at the grub prompt
09:46<BigRedS_>And I can't figure out the way to update the grub config on the ISO, have I missed a howto somewhere?
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10:07<Tubber>it is possible to get the key for a apt repo so I can use it for puppet
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10:20<voltinus>list
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10:29<SynrG>!list
10:29<dpkg>synrg: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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10:30<SynrG>Tubber: sure. but where that comes from depends on the archive
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10:31<SynrG>Tubber: try 'apt-key list' for the archives on your system
10:31<SynrG>also, see the apt-key man page (probably 'apt-key export' would be useful; again, for archives you already use on your system)
10:32<SynrG>for third-party apt repos, see their websites for wherever they publish their keys
10:32<Tubber>Thanks I will try and look there. Or ask puppetlabs about there module :)
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10:34<keeper1986>Hey everyone, i'm running raspian jessie and i need a more recent version of apt-cacher-ng. A version that might fit my requirements is in jessie backports. I intended to use that repository within jessie ... Is this a bad idea?
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10:37<BigRedS>nah, that's what backports is for
10:38<keeper1986>the reason i'm asking, is the following text i found at https://backports.debian.org/: "== What to upload where == As a reminder, uploads to a release-backports pocket are to be taken from release + 1"
10:38<Zenified>keeper1986: this is not for raspbian
10:40<SynrG>keeper1986: you should ask raspbian what is best to use with raspbian
10:40<SynrG>as we do not support this here
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10:40<SynrG>!raspbian
10:40<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
10:41<keeper1986>okay, i'll try, thank you
10:41<SynrG>good luck
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10:41<keeper1986>why do get the feeling i'm gonna need that :-)
10:41<SynrG>:)
10:41<SynrG>or you could use pure debian, but accept the compromises that entails
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10:42<cragdor>Hi All, Can someone remind me the best place to ask about pulling a Sid package to Jessie? I want to get pulseaudio-dnla working on Jessie
10:44<zathras>cragdor, consider backports
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10:47<cragdor>zathras: Thanks!
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10:55<SynrG>cragdor: specifics help. which package?
10:55<SynrG>oh, pulseaudio-dnla. sorry, i overlooked
10:56<SynrG>,v pulseaudio-dnla
10:56<judd>No package named 'pulseaudio-dnla' was found in amd64.
10:56<SynrG>got a name that's actually in the archive?
10:56<SynrG>,v pulseaudio-dlna
10:56<judd>Package: pulseaudio-dlna on amd64 -- sid: 0.5.2-1; stretch: 0.5.2-1
10:56<SynrG>simple typo
10:56<SynrG>,checkbackport pulseaudio-dlna
10:56<judd>Backporting package pulseaudio-dlna in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
10:56<SynrG>!ssb
10:56<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
10:57<SynrG>cragdor: not in jessie-backports, but you could try this ^
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11:02<cragdor>Hi SynrG, Yes sorry about the backports and thanks for the src tip above, that was exactly what I was looking for. It's currently only in Stretch and Sid
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11:03<cragdor>Also sorry for the typo.
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11:37<Peetz0r>ohai! does anyone know what version of debian would run on a Via Eden cpu?
11:38<Peetz0r>obviously something x86 but I think the latest x86 releases are actually i686 images which won't really work
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11:38<Zorkel>good afternoon I have a small problem and wonder if you could perhaps give me some enlightenment? I had an extended raid drive in windows two drives attached in one volume and partition format was gpt and filesystem ntfs how can I get debian to understand it's one single volume and mount it?
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11:49<zathras>Peetz0r, i386 used to run fine on Eden
11:50<Peetz0r>including the latest stable?
11:50<zathras>iirc there used to be a VIA Eden wiki showing which kernels were ok. Besides 32/64 bit you also have driver h/w issues to tackle
11:50<zathras>euhm. VIA Eden is a platform which is 10+ years old
11:51<Peetz0r>it's a device from 2008
11:51<Peetz0r>for fun and giggles
11:51<Peetz0r>HP t5135
11:51<Peetz0r>and I have an older hp thin client to mess with when I am done with this one :D
11:51<zathras>I bought one in 2004 or so.
11:52<zathras>It ran woody for instance
11:52<zathras>iirc I did 2 dist upgrades on it before I let it collect dust
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11:54<zathras>anyway, to sum up: it is very unlikely that modern Linux releases have been tested on a platform which was even reasonbly exotic in its own day and age
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11:55<zathras>so you might be in luck or not. The newer the 2.4 (!) kernel, the more likely it is you do not have to apply special VIA patches to it to get the hardware working
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12:15<Peetz0r>would debian-live-7.11.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso contain gnome2 or gnome3?
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12:16<Peetz0r>I guess gnome3
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12:17<SynrG>gnome3 first started shipping in wheezy and got an update in jessie, yes.
12:18<SynrG>any particular reason to use such an old live image?
12:18<SynrG>there are alternate desktops for jessie
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12:20<SynrG>ah. scrolled back for context
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12:22<SynrG>Peetz0r: i believe jessie with 586 kernel should work.
12:22<Peetz0r>downloading now (with xfce instead of gnome3)
12:23<Peetz0r>err, actually downloading wheezy
12:23<SynrG>to the best of my recollection, the i386 jessie live images ship with a couple of boot options, 586 & 686-pae
12:23<SynrG>and if you hate gnome3, yes, use xfce, lxde, mate ...
12:23<SynrG>take your pick
12:23<Peetz0r>tried 8.5-mate livecd (that's jessie, right?) and kernelpanicked
12:23<SynrG>with the 586 boot option?
12:23<SynrG>i think 686-pae is default
12:23<Peetz0r>586 was default (or at least that is what I picked
12:23<Peetz0r>)
12:24<SynrG>ok
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12:25<SynrG>you could make a custom kernel, then
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12:25<SynrG>maybe take some inspiration from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783949
12:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783949 in installation-reports (closed): «installation-report: Jessie-release-i386 set up on VIA-eden-homeserver»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-05-01; last modified: 2015-06-10.
12:26<SynrG>live-build can be used to make a live image that pulls in your custom kernel
12:26<Peetz0r>lemme try the 7.11 x86 first :)
12:26<Peetz0r>(just finished writing the usb)
12:26<SynrG>or you can just follow the same route as this user did
12:27<SynrG>it would be a shame stuck back on wheezy if the only issue is the kernel
12:27<SynrG>but maybe if successful, you could do an install, then upgrade, but with a custom kernel
12:27<Peetz0r>the 7.11 has an 486 and 686 option (picking 468...)
12:27<SynrG>yeah
12:27<Peetz0r>squashfs errors but it continues booting anyway
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12:39<SynrG>without seeing what errors, i'll pretend they didn't exist ;)
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13:09<Peetz0r>SynrG: it went almost completely trough booting with everything [ok], then the screen went black
13:09<SynrGy>success! ;)
13:09<Peetz0r>at first I was thinking that it was just X/display manager starting
13:09<Peetz0r>but many minutes later still nothing
13:09<SynrGy>try 'standard' image
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13:10<SynrGy>no desktop
13:10<Peetz0r>also, ctrl+alt+F* doesn't get me to a console
13:10*SynrGy shrugs
13:10<Peetz0r>I was already downloading standard ;)
13:10<SynrGy>it may have hosed the gpu
13:10<Peetz0r>90%
13:10<SynrGy>deadlocking somewhere, so no ctrl+alt+F* anything
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13:10<Peetz0r>aaand.... done! let's boot
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13:11<Peetz0r>should I pick 486 or 486 failsafe?
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13:12<SynrGy>i don't remember what's in failsafe
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13:12<SynrGy>maybe it selects a poorer VGA mode ...
13:13<SynrGy>if you were getting [OK] messages, you probably don't need it
13:13<Peetz0r>ok, booting default now...
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13:14<Peetz0r>the squashfs error was "major/minor mismatch, older squashfs 3.0 filesystems are unsupported"
13:14<Peetz0r>but then goed on with live-config all-the-things
13:15<Peetz0r>and then [ ok ] all-the-things
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13:15<SynrGy>aha
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13:15<SynrGy>there's some probing of available FSes happening there
13:16<SynrGy>i guess if it doesn't need to use one of those, all is OK :)
13:16<Peetz0r>done booting, seems completely fine :)
13:16<SynrGy>yay!
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13:17<SynrGy>what is it good for, now? or was "get it to work" the entire exercise, for its own sake?
13:17<Peetz0r>yeah, basically
13:17<Peetz0r>not sure if I will ever have any serious purpose for it
13:17<SynrGy>!congratulate Peetz0r
13:17<dpkg>Yay Peetz0r, you did it!
13:17<Peetz0r>:)
13:18<Peetz0r>is there anything that those old thin clients do better than, say, a raspberry pi?
13:18<SynrGy>i've done that with linux on vax before. no debian for that, though :p
13:18<Peetz0r>anything to prove to other people that they are still useful?
13:19<SynrGy>useful? well. as space heaters ...
13:19<SynrGy>(the vaxen)
13:20<Peetz0r>mweh, a few days ago I measured the power consumption of a modern Celeron N3050 NUC and it's about the same as this box
13:21<Peetz0r>but the NUC has bazillion times the performance
13:21*SynrGy nods
13:21<SynrGy>power cost / performance ratio for old hardware is generally pretty awful
13:21<Peetz0r>reading from urandom at 488 kB/s :p
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13:22<Peetz0r>I once upgraded my home server playboxthingie from a 2000 era P3 to a 2010 era Atom. same TDP, possibly much more efficient chipset and psu, maybe 10x the performance
13:22<SynrGy>probably this is better suited to #debian-offtopic
13:22<Peetz0r>yeah :p
13:22*Peetz0r stfu
13:23<SynrGy>or just move it there :) i'm there
13:23<Peetz0r>nah, I should be trying the second thin client now
13:23<SynrGy>good luck
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13:40<praveen>hi
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13:41<Zorkel>I have a small question how can I enable audio on debian jessie I don't get any audio at all here is my motherboard https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/MAXIMUS-VIII-RANGER any help at all is very welcome (doesn't provide any drivers for linux)
13:41<praveen>any one from india
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13:45<froggys>lofjks
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13:45<froggys>hi
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13:46<froggys>hello
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13:52<musca>Zorkel: some soundcards do need firmware from the firmware-linux-nonfree package
13:53<Zorkel>I have a realtek soundcard not entirely sure how to find out which in particular trying to use google to help me :)
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13:54<musca>!alsa firmware
13:54<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), Echo Digital Audio series, ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <echoaudio>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>.
13:55<musca>doesn't look like that.
13:55<musca>!alsa-checklist
13:55<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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14:14<Aletheia>If I connect to a raspberry pi over ssh with putty and xming, can i do it at someone else's house using their network if i leave the pi at home?
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14:17<Aletheia>If I connect to a raspberry pi over ssh with putty and xming, can i do it at someone else's house using their network if i leave the pi at home?
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14:43<lof>hello i installed lxc from backports. and now systemctl and other services don't have access to dbus.
14:43<lof>busctl --system outputs "Assertion 'c->pid > 0' failed at ../src/libsystemd/sd-bus/bus-creds.c:190, function sd_bus_creds_get_pid(). Aborting." And systemctl status "Failed to read server status: Operation not permitted". Every command is executed as root.
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14:45<lof>dbus is running: https://dpaste.de/gmhY/raw
14:47<lof>And journald is constantly restarting.
14:49<lof>Everything i found via google is refering to Docker or systems starting with init. But this is a normal KVM install that boots straight to systemd (checked via /proc/1/comm)
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16:47<cragdor>SynrG - Just an update to say pulseaudio-dlna is working correctly on Jessie, I can now stream audio to my Chrome casts around the house. There were just a few additional dependancies needed. Notably python-zeroconf. Thanks for all the help! What would be the process to offically backport this package for others?
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17:17<isarissem22>www.google.com
17:18<isarissem22>www.google.com.br
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17:49<mtndew>how do you remedy an error of being unable to install something due to holding on to broken packages?
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17:50<mtndew>how do you know which packages are broken in the first place?
17:50<mtndew>apt-get -f install doesn't show anything to do
17:51<mtn>mtndew: you can use synaptic to look for broken packages, if I recall
17:51<mtndew>ok, but command line only
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17:57<blast007>mtndew: does this show anything? aptitude search ~b
17:57<mtndew>nothing
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17:58<blast007>!bat
17:58<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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18:05<mtndew>ah
18:05<mtndew>I figured it out
18:06<mtndew>I had to try to apt-get install each failed dependency one by one
18:06<mtndew>it turns out that the dep for tzdata from tzdata-java is broken, requiring a version from 2014 but a version from 2016 is there
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20:25<drjuls>greetings! how do I smooth the fonts on Debian 8.5?
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20:32<Casper>drjuls: settings>fonts? might depend on DE its there i my Cinnamon DE
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20:32<Casper>in*
20:33<drjuls>Casper: oh... my is KDE
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20:34<Casper>sorry cant help i will be installing KDE on other PC next week
20:35<drjuls>Casper: ok! thanks
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21:31<zeuseye>hi
21:32<anonymous>algem ai
21:32<zeuseye>alguien habla espanol?
21:33<anonymous>not
21:33<anonymous>eu brasil
21:34<zeuseye>you can teach me anything whith hacking?
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21:35<anonymous>assim fica deficil ne
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21:36<anonymous>oq [e isso
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21:41<anonymous>o.k
21:42<anonymous>debhelper
21:43<anonymous>Where are you from
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21:56<Clay>hello
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22:05<bhihb>is there any way to read input from other terminal (suppose there is two terminal )
22:06<Seb>bhihb: what are you actually trying to achieve ?
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22:08<starstuff>Hi, how do I convert a video I have? It's in the quicktime container form and I don't want that. What's the best open source format right now that is most widely used and accepted?
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22:21<Clay>hello
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23:43<cyberdragon>i can't connect to wifi.
23:44<cyberdragon>Can somebody help me connect
23:45<cyberdragon>Is any body here
23:45<cyberdragon>s;ds
23:45<cyberdragon>sd
23:45<cyberdragon>sds
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23:47<Tom>I just installed parrot security and somebody told me this is where you get help. Can somebody assist me i don't know much about this os so can somebdy help me connect to my wireless router please?
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23:48<Tom>Can somebody assist me?
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