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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-08-20

---Logopened Sat Aug 20 00:00:58 2016
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00:32<vortixz>oh
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03:55<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
03:56*cousin_luigi uses bind as resolver on his router and lately he's seeing it not working properly on startup for unclear reasons. A service restart fixes the problem, but it's unclear to him why a thing like this https://paste.debian.net/plain/790635 would happen.
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05:41<station>hello
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06:07<OERIAS>who spams here?
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09:06<yangX>I made a debian package and when trying to install it gives me these "warnings", does it affect the functionality in some way ? http://paste.debian.net/790659/
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09:13<pisa>Hello guys :D
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09:32<Lal>tremon: thank you
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09:42<petn-randall>yangX: It will mean that init can't optimize it during startup, so your init scripts will run sequentially instead of in parallel.
09:43<petn-randall>yangX: It's trivial to fix, your scripts need LSB headers. Also, I'm not sure why you named some scripts with K01v_*, normally you should have symlinks that are named like that.
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09:50<yangX>hm
09:51<yangX>lsb headers like "insserv"
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09:53<petn-randall>yangX: Yes, 'man insserv' will fill you in on the details.
09:54<yangX>thanks
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11:40<drxos>Impossible for me to change shell theme? Could anyone help me ? I'm using Debian Jessie with Gnome Desktop.
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12:30<captnfab>hi, does anyone know where I could find help to retrieve data from a btrfs multi-device array (raid0), where one disk failed?
12:31<captnfab>any insight is welcome ^^"
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12:39<WilliamC>I'm having issues with getting PepperFlash to work.
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12:40<WilliamC>Not exactly sure of the cause but Chromium isn't loading it and FreshPlayer isn't loading it in Firefox
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12:41<WilliamC>Whole lot of nothing for a crowded channel.
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12:56<petn-randall>captnfab: There's not much to recover from a RAID0 if one disk fail, since there is no parity or fail-over.
12:56<petn-randall>s/fail/fails/
12:57<captnfab>yeah, but, what about the non-failed disks?
12:57<captnfab>they could have recoverable data can't they?
12:57<petn-randall>captnfab: You can probably recover chunks of 4096 bytes from the remaining data.
12:58<captnfab>hehe, gulp.
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12:58<petn-randall>captnfab: When did you last backup?
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12:58<captnfab>this server wasn't mine, I wouldn't use raid-0 for a nas…
12:59<captnfab>and I think there wasn't any backup
12:59<petn-randall>captnfab: Guess you can try to recover data from the failing/dead disk with dd_rescue, but that's about it. IIRC the metadata on BTRFS is by default RAID1, but the data will be unrecoverable.
13:00<petn-randall>captnfab: Well, you can recover about 50% from every file, which makes it worthless.
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13:01<captnfab>recovering metadata would still be of much help
13:02<petn-randall>captnfab: What happens if you try to mount the btrfs disk?
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13:03<captnfab>ok, that worked with mount -o ro,degraded,recovery
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13:05<petn-randall>captnfab: General wisdowm is: Backups are paramount, especially when using RAID0.
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13:06<captnfab>yeah
13:06<captnfab>this was "poor man's NAS", build by my girlfriend's ex
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13:10<awal1>WilliamC, you may want to paste the output of update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree
13:10<awal1>update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status ^
13:11<awal1>or better: update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --verbose --status
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13:14<WilliamC>temporary directory: /tmp/pepperflashplugin-nonfree.c8ZB8GwHCD
13:14<WilliamC>doing apt-get update on google repository
13:14<WilliamC>I'm using Knoppix because it's my work computer and it's password protected.
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13:16<awal1>WilliamC, so you aren't having that pepper issue in a debian system?
13:16<WilliamC>It uses the Debian repository
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13:17<blast007>!knoppix
13:17<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
13:17<WilliamC>oh, I should probably get that on a live USB
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13:17<WilliamC>Sorry
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13:20<captnfab>ok, that'll do for nowk thanks petn-randall
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15:21<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
15:22<cousin_luigi>Does pppd have to run as root? If not, how do I tell systemd or /etc/network/interfaces to start it under another user?
15:25<cousin_luigi>I assume creating the interface is the tricky part, but isn't there a way to suid afterwards?
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15:36<PJain>Can someone please help me in creating new page in Debian Wiki? I am trying to create a page to submit my final evaluation for Google Summer of Code!
15:41<oswriter>What kind of help do you need, PJain?
15:43<PJain>@oswriter I want to create a new page in Debian wiki so that I can submit my GSOC evaluation. I am unable to find option to create a new page. I want to create something like https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2016/WorkProduct/Developer_Horizon_and_extensions
15:45<oswriter>Hmm.. here's a link from the wiki itself on creating a page. https://wiki.debian.org/HelpOnPageCreation
15:46<oswriter>Usually with a Wiki, you type in the name of the page you want to create and a link will appear prompting to create the page if it doesn't exist.
15:47<PJain>@oswriter Got it! Thank you so much :-)
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15:48<oswriter>no problem. good luck, PJain!
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16:34<oswriter>hi there
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16:37<LostSoul>Hi
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16:45<LostSoul>I'm observing strange ssh issue
16:45<LostSoul>When I try to login as root it works like a charm
16:46<LostSoul>But when I'm trying to login using ldap + active directory + pam - it takes up to 30-60 seconds
16:46<LostSoul>Any idea?
16:46<LostSoul>How to debug this stuff
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17:16<Yst>For some reason, my Wi-Fi card started acting up today. When I select a network, it fails to connect, then refuses to show the network list again.
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17:16<Yst>The only way to get the network list back seems to be to restart the machine.
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17:17<Yst>However, even after restarting the machine, the failure to connect happens again and the network list becomes inaccessible again.
17:17<Yst>Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
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17:19<ach>i do not know the right command but restart the driver i just know ifconfig or iwconfig but that will not restart the driver directly.
17:20<ach>play it new on it.
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17:32<rekt_>yo
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17:35<Yst>ach: Alright, I'll try fiddling with those commands. Thank you!
17:37<LunaSela>Yst: The Wifi worked without problems before? Did you install any updates or changed the environment or did it start to make problems by magic?
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17:38<LunaSela>"Restarting the driver" should be equivalent to rmmod + insmod/modprobe
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17:40<Yst>LunaSela: The Wi-Fi has been working for about a year. I'm not sure what would have changed, aside from I had a strange shutdown just before it happened.
17:41<Yst>My battery was dying and I didn't notice. The machine started hibernating. I plugged it in and started it back up and that problem arose.
17:41<Yst>Restarting the whole machine would have restarted the driver too, right? I've tried that about three times.
17:42<LunaSela>Yst: but you did a power-cycle since then or only reboots?
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17:43<petn-randall>Yst: Have you tried coldbooting it? As in, shutting down, taking the battery for 10 secs, and powering back up?
17:44<petn-randall>*out
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17:48<Yst>LunaSela: If by "power cycle" you mean turn off and on", then yes. Technically, I didn't actually reboot, I shut the machine all the way down. This laptop doesn't always handle real rebooting well.
17:48<Yst>petn-randall: I'll try that next, thanks!
17:49<Yst>I'm having difficulty reaching OFTC at the moment (it's crowded or something), so once I shut down, it might be a while before I can reconnect.
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19:01<Yst>petn-randall: The battery removal seems to have fixed my Wi-Fi card. Thank you!
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19:21<ericson>hey noobs
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19:23<root_>I'm an idjit
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19:37<petn-randall>ericson: ECHAN
19:39*ericson slaps petn-randall around a bit with a large fishbot
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19:40<ericson>.//ericson kfjasdf
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19:51<zara>Hi
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19:51<zara>anyone knpw the link to the mowcows? please
19:51<zara>:-)
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19:52<zara> Im just bored I got no quest
19:52<somiaj>zara: /j #mowcows
19:52<zara> I love Debian :-)
19:52<zara>thanks
19:52<zara>no
19:53<somiaj>zara: no? That command should tell your client to join the #mowcows, though I think it is #moocows (I forget the exact name of the channel)
19:54<zara>thanks anyhow
19:54<zara>but I do not need a chatroom for me , myself and I
19:54<zara>;-)
19:55<somiaj>zara: I think it is #moocows but you typed #mowcows which is what I alsot yped
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19:55<somiaj>zara: that is it, /j #moocows
19:55<zara>I m no good moderator
19:55<zara>no native english :-(
19:55<zara>anyhow
19:55<zara>sorry I didnt wanted to barder iu
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19:57<zara>Last time I meet a very nice person
19:57<zara>with a lotta patient
19:57<zara>:-)
19:57<zara>But will never find again
19:58<zara>Thats I net :-D^
19:58<zara>Sure is - a Debian Fan :-)
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19:59<zara>Is it allowed to ask if Debian is the last free Linux Destribution lile Mister Thorvald would say?
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20:00<zara>like
20:00<zara>Im no Asian
20:00<zara>Mister Linus Thorvald
20:01<somiaj>zara: I don't know what you mean by Debian the last free linux distribution. Debian does not recive the 'free stamp' from the free software orginization (fsf) because we provide non-free packages. They do say Debian has a very clear policy on what software is free and non-free but they don't give us 'free' status because it is easy to install non-free software (and many users of debian suggest using non-free sofware)
20:01<somiaj>I am in that boat, sometimes non-free software is required to get certain hardware to work.
20:02<zara>Just a moment I ll get mine glasses
20:02<zara>okayx
20:03<zara>Sorry I m born 1966
20:03<zara>I respect Linus Thorvald a lot
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20:04<zara>he was a genius
20:04<zara>and simple in one person
20:04<somiaj>So debian has a very clear guidlines and what consitutes 'free' softeware known as the debian free software guidelines, https://www.debian.org/intro/free
20:04<zara>I know mony is cool
20:04<somiaj>but debian also provides it users access to non-free software if they want it.
20:04<somiaj>as for Linus, I don't think he runs debian.
20:05<zara>but what will one last day
20:05<zara>be important?
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20:05<somiaj>I don't follow what you mean by that last question.
20:05<zara>I know kid :-)
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20:05<zara>but until this day I do not real chek didderenec monolith?
20:05<zara>difference
20:06<zara>somiaj
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20:06<zara>would you please so plite
20:06<zara>polite
20:06<zara>explain me the difference between monolith
20:07<zara>and the other kernel please?
20:07<zara>So I can remmber and learn, please
20:10<rudi_s>zara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel
20:10<rudi_s>At the bottom of this page there are links to different kinds of kernels, for example Microkernel.
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21:19<zara>what was the name of the founder of debian?
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21:20<zara>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock
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21:20<zara>maschines love me
21:20<zara>I do not know why
21:20<zara>but I think them trust me
21:21<zara>si
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21:21<zara>so
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21:21<zara>I m not grazy
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21:21<zara>I m just frim another kind
21:21<zara>I do not hunt gold or heads
21:22<zara>I m peace
21:22<zara>If I would hunt
21:22<zara>hmm
21:23<zara>1 hacker
21:23<zara>1 Electrotechnic
21:23<zara>me
21:23<zara>but I never hunt
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21:24<zara>because I never could be a social hacker
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21:24<zara>and I would be always a white head!
21:24<zara>okay grey
21:24<themill>zara: seriously... do we have to keep doing this?
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21:25<zara>hard to tell miller of wheat cerals
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21:25<@themill>zara: please play elsewhere
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21:37<AmethystLightning>Why was Firefox called Iceweasel and Thunderbird called Icedove on Debian?
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21:39<themill>!why iceweasel
21:39<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>.
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21:40<AmethystLightning>Thanks
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22:57<aidalgol>!why firefox
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22:58<aidalgol>Where is the rename back to Firefox explained?
23:00<ach>www.mozilla.org you could speratly install firefox from that page for linux.
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23:31<azzamsa>http://patentabsurdity.com/
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23:32<azzamsa>Patent Absurdity explores the case of software patents and the history of judicial activism that led to their rise, and the harm being done to software developers and the wider economy. The film is based on a series of interviews conducted during the Supreme Court's review of in re Bilski — a case that could have profound implications for the patenting of software. The Court's decision is due soon...
23:32<azzamsa>With interviews from Eben Moglen, Dan Bricklin, Karen Sandler, Richard Stallman and others...
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