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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-08-23

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02:34<bullfinch>YEAH!
02:35<C-Keen>congrats?
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02:45<defacemind>hi!
02:45<defacemind>anyone
02:45<defacemind>?
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02:51<babilen>dpkg: ask
02:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:32<brandon>Hi guys!
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03:39<ifvoid>hi
03:39<ifvoid>is there a way to start a user systemd service only after the user logs in to an X session, rather than at boot time?
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03:59<lindi-_>ifvoid: I thought /etc/pam.d/systemd-user already only started them when a session is created?
04:00<ifvoid>that's what I expected, but it doesn't seem that way
04:00<ifvoid>oh wait, this is an ubuntu system
04:00<lindi-_>ifvoid: so things actually start at boot? can you see how?
04:00<ifvoid>maybe they've fuked this up?
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04:01<lindi-_>ifvoid: better investigate
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04:09<jcpiedra>buenas
04:10<jm_>!es
04:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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04:26<AndyJ>Are these instructions for setting up Radeon RX480 still current? I note that two months is a long time in debian development... https://linuxconfig.org/getting-the-rx-480-running-with-amdgpu-on-linux
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04:44<OERIAS>worker of the world UNITE!!!!
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05:34<babybee>hello, how to install latest drivers for my integrated intel hd 4600 graphic on debian jesse ?
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05:36<petn-randall>babybee: Is there something that the current drivers don't do?
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05:42<babybee>petn-randall, graphic quality in my fav games is significantly worse than when I used previous system; textures thrashing (constant reloading) for one and worse quality for another
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05:51<babilen>babybee: You can grab xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
05:51<babilen>judd: v xserver-xorg-video-intel
05:51<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1
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05:56<babybee>babilen, so I should type as root -> judd: v xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
05:56<jm_>:)
05:57<babybee>babybee, I mean , how to grab it from backports
05:57<jm_>!backports
05:57<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:59<babilen>babybee: You configure backports in your sources.list (e.g. add "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free") then run "apt update" and install the package with "apt -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel"
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06:10<babybee>babilen, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
06:10<babybee> xserver-xorg-video-intel : Depends: xorg-video-abi-18
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06:11<babilen>dpkg: bat
06:11<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:12<babilen>judd: depends xserver-xorg-video-intel --release jessie-backports
06:12<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libdrm-intel1 (>= 2.4.38), libdrm2 (>= 2.4.25), libpciaccess0 (>= 0.8.0+git20071002), libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.30.0), libudev1 (>= 183), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-dri2-0, libxcb-dri3-0, libxcb-sync1, libxcb-util0 (>= 0.3.8), libxcb1, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxinerama1, libxrandr2
06:12<judd>(>= 2:1.2.99.2), libxrender1, libxshmfence1, libxss1, libxtst6, libxv1, libxvmc1, xorg-video-abi-18, xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.15.99.903).
06:14<babilen>babybee: Please also include the output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core" in your paste
06:14<babybee>I think i have broken distro, since i installed (and then removed) that package from stretch
06:14<babilen>Oh, yeah .. that would definitely break the packaging system
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06:15<babybee>xserver-xorg-core:
06:15<babybee> Installed: 2:1.18.4-1
06:15<babybee> Candidate: 2:1.18.4-1
06:15<babybee> Version table:
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06:17<babybee>http://paste.debian.net/791078/
06:18<babybee>http://paste.debian.net/791079/
06:19<babybee>I suppose that latter means that i have to reinstall my debian
06:21<babilen>Indeed
06:21<babilen>Just don't mix stable with anything but backports
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08:00<Hatsjoe>EmleyMoor checked the log files?
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08:08<babybee>!help
08:10<SynrG>babybee: if you want help with debian, ask. what are you trying to do? what commands did you type and what output did you get? etc.
08:11<jm_>installed some packages from testing on stable
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08:14<SynrG>ah. i see.
08:14<SynrG>yes. reinstall.
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08:15<SynrG>babybee: if you were trying to start a conversation with dpkg bot, then for starters, /msg dpkg dpkgbot
08:15<SynrG>then continue to ask the bot privately in that message window
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08:19<babybee>jugg: xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:20<babybee>Can you please remind me command for checking packages ?
08:20<SynrG>babybee: /msg judd xserver-xorg-video-intel
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08:21<babybee>judd: xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:21<SynrG>er, wrong
08:21<SynrG>babybee: /msg judd v xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:21<SynrG>please msg the bot
08:21<SynrG>!msg the bot
08:21<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database.
08:21<babybee>SynrG, Thanks
08:22<babybee>how to do it to display results publicly ?
08:22<SynrG>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:22<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1
08:22<SynrG>if it's part of a conversation involving others here
08:22<SynrG>otherwise, msg the bot
08:23<SynrG>, is an alias for judd: (as ! is an alias for dpkg:)
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08:26<babybee>i am going to install newer drivers from backport now using apt -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel
08:27<SynrG>after having done a fresh install of jessie?
08:27<babybee>yeah
08:27<SynrG>sounds good. might also need a backports kernel
08:27<SynrG>!bpo kernel
08:27<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
08:27<babybee>i had to format and set new debian since i messed previpous one too
08:28<SynrG>since the dri stuff comes from the kernel
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08:30<babybee>hmmmmmmm
08:31<babybee>So first update kernel and then drivers ?
08:31<SynrG>doesn't matter which first
08:31<SynrG>i guess kernel first
08:31<SynrG>then reboot, then drivers, then logout & in?
08:32<SynrG>something like that
08:32<SynrG>i wouldn't agonize over it. :) i often do both at once.
08:33<babybee>Is it important to update kernel too ? Wont it make problems with my jessie system in future ?
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08:36<SynrG>babybee: i doubt it. i've successfully run many systems with backport kernels.
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08:36<SynrG>and in any case, installation of a backports kernel won't remove your old kernel. so you can switch back at boot time if you have any issues
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08:36<babybee>Ok, how exactly install that kernell, what to type ?
08:37<SynrG>if you're the cautious sort, you could try simply using the new driver alone.
08:37<SynrG>i gave the factoid above
08:37<babybee>aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ?
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08:37<SynrG>yep
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08:38<babybee>i dotn have aptitude, how would that work for apt ?
08:38<SynrG>yes.
08:38<SynrG>oh, how? yes, it will work. just the same :)
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08:38<babybee>apt-get -t ...
08:38<babybee>or without -get ?
08:38<SynrG>with or without. doesn't matter.
08:39<abofahad>hi
08:39<SynrG>different front-end
08:39<babybee>ok :)
08:39<SynrG>i like the new 'apt' front-end. prettier
08:39<babilen>babybee: "apt" is the newest frontend
08:39<abofahad>how setup the printer
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08:41<babybee>how to revert kernel to old one ?
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08:41<grove>abofahad: Please tell us more, e.g. what printer you have
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08:56<poisonpot>Hi, guys. If I compile the kernel can I get a smaller installation?
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09:07<grove>poisonpot: The kernel is only a tiny bit of the installation, and compiling your own (and building a debian package of the result) will only allow you to use that instead of a standard kernel. My guess is that it will save you less than a megabyte
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09:12<lindi-_>poisonpot: if you want to save disk space you can just use "rm" to remove the extra modules you don't use
09:13<lindi-_>poisonpot: there's no need to rebuild the kernel for that. (building the package from source will alone take 22 GB of space or so...)
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09:15<Drzacek>Hi. I have a problem with kernel compilation http://paste.debian.net/791108/
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09:28<poisonpot>Thank you, guys
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09:52<camolist>What is happening.
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09:53<SynrG>camolist: #oftc might be able to tell you
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10:19<Naksu>hello, what would be the best place to nit about a package with a misconfigured debian/watch file pointing to an out-of-date third-party mirror?
10:19<bremner>file a severity minor bug using reportbug
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10:41<Nicholas>can i plese chat to omeone
10:42<Nicholas>i ment somone
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10:45<Naksu>bremner: the package has a bunch of old unaddressed bugs and the last release was a non-maintainer release so i took the liberty of pinging the maintainer on irc just to see if he's alive
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10:54<alumno>hola
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11:31<babybee>How to downgrade kernel installed from jessie-backports ?
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11:31<bremner>babybee: first boot into the older kernel from grub, then remove the newer kernel?
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11:32<babybee>bremner, how to do that ?
11:33<bremner>babybee: don't you get a menu when booting?
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11:34<babybee>how to remove newer kernel ?
11:34<bremner>using e.g. apt remove packagename ?
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11:35<babybee>how to identify package name for current kernel ?
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11:36<bremner> dpkg -l | grep '^ii linux-image'
11:36<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep '^ii linux-image'
11:36<bremner>note the two spaces after ii
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11:39<reDRub>hi, someone have a fifo underrun bug on boot?
11:40<babybee>bremner, http://paste.debian.net/791134/ - so I should remove two packages : linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 ?
11:41<reDRub> [drm:cpt_set_fifo_underrun_reporting] *ERROR* uncleared pch fifo underrun on pch transcoder A
11:41<bremner>babybee: probably just the .bpo one is enough (the other is a virtual package iirc)
11:41<babybee>bremner, thanks
11:41<bremner>babybee: of course you don't want to be running that kernel when you remove it
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11:45<babybee>fine, i am on old kernel... since i can boot to it there is no need to remove current one but would be good to set it up somehow that its default to load old kernel in grub
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12:03<SynrG>babybee: so i take it the new driver alone fixed your issue?
12:04<SynrG>babybee: if you really aren't going to use the backports kernel at all then yes, boot to the old kernel and then remove linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64. that will probably cause the metapackage to be removed as well. you may wish to reinstall the metapackage from jessie. it does no harm to be temporarily without it, as it consists of nothing but dependencies on other packages.
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12:05<SynrG>(linux-image-amd64 is the metapackage in question)
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12:52<babybee>SynrG, problem is that virtualbox not work with new kernel
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13:14<william__>I have Windows 10 installed in a
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13:16<SynrG>babybee: really? that's surprising.
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13:17<SynrG>while i can understand perhaps older versions of virtualbox's kernel modules may not work on newer kernels, i thought upstream was pretty good about ensuring they tracked current kernel releases.
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13:17<william__>I have Windows 10 installed in a Samsung notebook and installed Debian in dual boot, but when the uefi system is turned on grub can't start up my Debian
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13:17<rafalcpp>Can I write universal script that will install user part of libboost-system needed to run program using it? the full package name is libboost-system1.55.0 ow but it can change
13:18<SynrG>babybee: back when i still used VB, i settled on using upstream's packages instead of Debian's, in part because they tended to track kernel releases better.
13:18<rafalcpp>hmm maybe this does not make so much sense after all... in this scenario user anyway must build from source so needs -dev
13:18<william__>you guys know how can I fix it without reinstalling both?
13:20<petn-randall>william__: But it shouldn't boot Windows 10 either, right?
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13:21<petn-randall>william__: You can migrate a BIOS installed Debian to a UEFI one, but that's not documented an quite tricky (I've done it before).
13:21<william__>petn-randall how do I do that?
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13:22<petn-randall>william__: You need to boot a live image in UEFI mode (make sure you have CSR _deactivated in the UEFI), chroot into your Debian system, and install the right packages that dump a pxe32 binary onto the UEFI partition.
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13:23<petn-randall>william__: I think it's grub-efi-amd64, you probably have to run a 'grub-install /dev/sdx' (sdx being your main drive), too. There's also a chance I forgot some details.
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13:33<william__>petn-randall: even if I have installed Debian in CSM mode, will it work?
13:33<petn-randall>william__: Yes, but you need to boot the live system in UEFI mode, and fix up the installed system by using a chroot.
13:34<petn-randall>(gotta go, back in 2 hours)
13:34<somiaj>with grub-efi I don't think you need to point it at a partition/drive, with efi you need to be booted in efi mode and have the efi rom mounted at /boot/efi I belive.
13:34<william__>petn-randall: I got it
13:34<william__>thank you
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13:34<somiaj>so grub-install should be enough if using grub-efi and the efi partition is correctly loaded and mounted.
13:35<somiaj>though I too could be missing some details.
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13:36<william__>somiaj: there's something documented about this?
13:37<william__>somiaj: it would help
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13:39<william__>thank you guys
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14:20<Alexis>Hola
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14:22<jmlongo>HOla Alexis
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14:22<jmlongo>!es
14:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:45<salmansalman>Hi, where should we install the single file (python), for creating a deb package, for internal use? /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin ? I think /usr/bin is the correct directory
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14:47<iblis>hi
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14:48<MarkedOne>Hello guyz... Do you prefer initrd image or compiled-in driver for HDD?
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15:02<MarkedOne>cool xD I dumb have lost original config-3.16.0-4-586..... how can i obtain it again?
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15:39<petn-randall>somiaj: When booting in legacy mode the UEFI _should_ stop you from reading/writing to the ESP. At least the spec requires that, even though not everyone implements it.
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15:40<bipul>I need help. I have directory say "/var/log/" I would like to import it's data into my MySQL database. For example, any new data comes at /var/log/ then it should go into mysql database.
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15:41<bipul>Is it possible?
15:42<petn-randall>bipul: Sure, but what do you want to do with the data in the SQL database?
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15:42<Naksu>o hey, what's the etiquette on resurrecting a wontfix bug report from 2003, finally closed in 2011
15:43<bipul>petn-randall, I just wanted to maintain the data into my MySQL database.
15:43<Naksu>specifically, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193170
15:43<petn-randall>bipul: So add a table with one text field and add the data to it. But you wouldn't gain much, and the performance would suck.
15:44<Naksu>after this was closed, ubuntu has implemented useful output from uname -i and -p, and red hat presumably has had it the whole time
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15:44<petn-randall>bipul: If you're looking for a way to tokenize the data and make it searchable, there are already tools like greylog or logstash that do that a lot better.
15:44<bipul>petn-randall, Do you have any link for tutorial?
15:44<Naksu>i just encountered a july 2016 install script that relies on it
15:44<somiaj>petn-randall: yea, maybe I missunderstood the issue, I thought he was trying to set up efi boot not legacy boot.
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15:45<bipul>petn-randall, I don't wants to use logstash, I just simply log or import my live data into my MySQl database.
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15:49<petn-randall>bipul: There's probably no tutorial because there is no useful use case for that. But if you want to tell us about the problem you're trying to solve instead of the tools you think might solve them, we might come up with a solution.
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15:50<bipul>petn-randall, Simple, there is directory A, whenever new data comes it should get imported automatically into my MySQL database.
15:50<bipul>comes into it*
15:50<somiaj>doesn't systemd (journctl) use some binary/database format that might be easier to export.
15:51<petn-randall>bipul: That's not the problem, that's the solution you think you need. What do you want to do with the MySQL database then?
15:51<MarkedOne>bipul: petn-randall asks you about why do you want to do this..
15:52<bipul>Just to keep my data into MySQL database.
15:53<petn-randall>bipul: Then just write a basic script that does that.
15:53<bipul> petn-randall Will it works in bash ?
15:54<petn-randall>bipul: You can use whatever tools you want.
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16:00<bipul>Yeah, I am trying to accomplish it, with Python
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16:32<Gryllida>how does httpredir.debian.org work? how does it choose the mirror to direct me to?
16:33<bremner>I recommend you use http://deb.debian.org instead
16:33<Gryllida>how does deb.debian.org choose the mirror, then?
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16:34<Gryllida>I have http://paste.debian.net/plain/791176 .
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16:35<bremner>you're in the wrong place for stretch support.
16:35<Gryllida>ok
16:36<bremner>try #debian-next
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16:36<bremner>to answer your original question, httpredir uses some idea of network distance from you
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16:37<Gryllida>what does deb.d.o do instead?
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16:37<bremner>it is a "content distribution network"
16:38<bremner>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network
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16:41<anonymu>hello my help
16:42<Gryllida>ok
16:43<anonymu>portugues ?
16:43<bremner>!pt
16:43<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:43<anonymu>#debian-pt
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16:43<anonymu>alguem me ajuda
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16:44<anonymu>não entendo muito do jessie e estou meio confuso
16:44<retrospectacus>teclead "/join #debian-pt"
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16:45<Gryllida>-pt is only one person; -br is more than 20
16:45<retrospectacus>you may find more in chat.freenode.net too
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16:47<anonymu>my not ingles
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16:50<anonymu>bay
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17:37<ygdba>Has there been any word as to why there still is no updated kernel re: CVE-2016-5696
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17:42<ygdba>upstream was patched well over a week ago
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17:55<joelkraehemann>can systemd produce latency by wrong computing time?
17:56<joelkraehemann>as considering top it shows me wrong time of execution
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18:04<joelkraehemann>is there a systemd channel?
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18:04<ygdba>joelkraehemann, /list
18:04<mtn>I bet there is, did you look for one using a search engine?
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18:05<joelkraehemann>there is debian-systemd
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18:11<Esteban_>where do I go to discover why a package has recently become obsolete and learn what to use in the future?
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18:28<olinuxx>Esteban_, https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/package.html seems to be a good point to start with
18:28<olinuxx>(replace "p" by the first letter of the package name, and package by the package name)
18:28<olinuxx>such as :
18:28<olinuxx>https://packages.qa.debian.org/h/here.html
18:29<olinuxx>https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mypackageImlookingforwhyitdisappear.html
18:29<olinuxx>...
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18:34<ygdba>*bump* Has there been any word as to why there still is no updated kernel re: CVE-2016-5696
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18:41<grawity>maybe because it has a trivial sysctl workaround?
18:42<abc123>Hello, my WiFi is very slow on my laptop - Debian 8, it is on for 5" and then off for 10-15" and then the same. I don't have this problem with my other devices (laptop, phones, tablet) only with this laptop. I have run apg-get upgrade hoping to get the newest versions of my drivers but that did help. Any ideas?
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18:45<ygdba>abc123, adapter info?
18:47<abc123>ygdba, 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
18:47<ygdba>ah
18:48<abc123>(from lspci; is there somewhere else you would like me to look?)
18:48<ygdba>I have never run into any issues with the 7260, prolly same firmware and drivers
18:48<ygdba>you are running jessie, right?
18:49<abc123>Yes.
18:49<grawity>curious what `iw wlan0 link` and `iw wlan0 station dump` have to say about the connection quality
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18:50<ygdba>iwlist gives "less verbose" output
18:51<grawity>I don't particularly care about what iwlist outputs
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18:51<abc123>grawity, is "iw" a command?
18:51<grawity>yes
18:51<abc123>In general, signal strength is very good. I am sitting just meters away from the router with no walls inbetween.
18:52<grawity>(iw is the nl80211 tool; iwconfig/iwlist are the older WEXT tools)
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18:55<ygdba>and here i have som vague recollection that modern iwinfo/iwlist is just a wrapper for iw
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18:57<ygdba>well, it would seem as if he wasn't trolling
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18:57<grawity>from the kernel side it sort of is
18:57<grawity>via CONFIG_CFG80211_WEXT
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19:03<Wamphyri>has anyone ever had issues with mysqld being stuck in safe mode?
19:04<Wamphyri>root 10636 0.1 0.0 22664 3240 ? S 17:59 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe <---- can't get it out of safe mode and i can't create any new sql dbases because of it
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19:04<grawity>that doesn't look at all like "safe mode"
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19:05<grawity>it's just a script that auto-restarts mysqld
19:05<Wamphyri>ahh ok thank you
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19:31<Esteban_>thanks olinuxx
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19:54<c_>Hello. Can somebody recommend an update-checker? Something that sits in the trayarea, maybe.
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20:01<storge>for debian itself?
20:02<c_>storge, yeah, kind of something that runs `apt-get update` periodically and notifies the user about updates.
20:02<storge>idiosyncratic bugs are the worst
20:02<storge>oops
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20:02<storge>i wrote an update script. same script i use for daily updates as well as migrating between versions (wheezy->jessie->stretch so far successfully). i've wondered about iconifying it and making it clickable, but i focus so much on the commandline i haven't felt bothered to make it.
20:02<storge>i could link it, you could automate it. and add your icon as desired.
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20:03<danielsh>c_, I have pk-update-icon in the default xfce install.
20:06<c_>danielsh, ok thanks. storge: interesting. Do you run it via cron?
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20:07<storge>no, manually, but cronning it is effortless.
20:07<storge>it looks like this (lower right, boring) https://db.tt/vv3RGxcS
20:07<storge>http://sprunge.us/VBCX storge updapt4
20:07<storge>if you don't install apt-file, then:
20:08<storge>http://sprunge.us/XaET storge updapt3
20:09<storge>i use that script daily (the echos are pure cruft) and when migrating versions, i've used that for ~4 years, though sometimes during migration i have to run it more than once.
20:09<storge>maybe someday debian will automagic something like it.
20:09<storge>but for now, try it if you want. YMMV.
20:10<storge>'updapt' as a play on 'update/apt'
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20:10<storge>so i drop that in /usr/bin/
20:11<storge>if cron, dispense with the echo cruft, maybe spit a report to a log, whatever
20:11<danielsh>(that script looks like it could benefit from set -x)
20:11<danielsh>s/-x/-e/
20:12<storge>danielsh: by all means, make it better and show me :)
20:12<danielsh>storge, stick 'set -e' at the top, drop all the &&s
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20:12<storge>oh right, i did that once, i forget that stuff.
20:13<storge>i remember things best when i hammer my brain through them. someone helps me and i get happy but i can forget.
20:13<storge>so thanks, editing now.
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20:13<storge>danielsh: but at least the intent is clear: updating with as many --fix-missings and --fix-brokens as possible, which seems to make the difference for my successful version migrations.
20:13<doma>so am i right in assuming that https://sources.debian.net/src/linux-grsec/4.6.3-1%2Bgrsec201607062159%2B1~bpo8%2B1/debian/patches/features/all/aufs4/ says that the linux-grsec package in debian supports aufs4?
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20:15<doma>or is that feature not compiled in, but just present in the source? for linux < 4.0 and aufs3, the grsecurity and aufs3 patchsets almost always conflicted.
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20:15<storge>thanks, i didn't know linux-grsec existed
20:16<doma>it's fairly new (less than a year, i think). it's pretty awesome.
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20:18<danielsh>I don't recall having had to use --fix-*
20:19<c_>storge, ok thank you for the link
20:19<danielsh>doma, being in debian/patches/ isn't conclusive evidence; the package might compile multiple binary package that don't all use the same patches
20:20<storge>danielsh: moving from wheezy to jessie (when jessie was testing ... stable to testing) --fix-broken made the difference for me. since then i haven't fought it. jessie -> stretch was effortless, so perhaps i misattribute. correlation to causation, so to stpeak.
20:20<doma>danielsh: that's what i'd like to know. both grsecurity and aufs4 are in debian/patches/
20:21<doma>not sure what you mean about compiling multiple binaries. it's the kernel, so it compiles just kernel modules and the kernel itself. whether or not the two patchsets can be applied together without rejects is the matter i'd like to find out.
20:22<danielsh>doma, look at debian/control
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20:22<danielsh>doma, a single source package builds many binary packages. It's possible that not all those packages use the same patchsets.
20:23<storge>c_: thoughts?
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20:23<danielsh>storge, *nod*
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20:24<doma>danielsh: all of those create grsec packages, so they all use the grsec patchset. they do not mention aufs at all.
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21:06<storge>this channel is hard to get a word in edgewise
21:07<stephen0001>edgewise?
21:07<olinuxx>Esteban_, y/w
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22:44<nollidj>i have a semi-working unstable system that exhibits an inability to start, stop, or check the status of services. this means that i cannot complete postinst for udev, lvm2, or rsyslog, to name a few.
22:44<nollidj>it sounds like simply rebooting may bring things into alignment, but i am worried that i might not have a working lvm installation or some other problem which would prevent a successful boot.
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22:45<nollidj>anyone encountered this kind of problem before? i don't seen any exact matches for my situation on bugs.debian.org for systemd
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22:48<Arcade>nollidj, checking your hdd for errors are there any bad sectors now showing?
22:49<Arcade>is the disk your using showing signs of errors?
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22:50<R4F_Debian>Hi all
22:51<Arcade>hi R4F_Debian
22:51<nollidj>i haven't encountered any indications of hard drive failure, but i haven't looked very hard. dmesg isn't filled with disk error messages, and the drive is relatively new
22:52<Arcade>is dmesg showing any issues related to systemd
22:52<nollidj>something like a simple "systemctl status" hangs for a 10 seconds or more until it exits with "Failed to read server status: Connection timed out" (and exit code zero, hooray for sensible implementation decisions)
22:52<nollidj>Arcade: no
22:53<nollidj>there's this SO answer that suggests killing PID 1: http://serverfault.com/questions/712928/systemctl-commands-timeout-when-ran-as-root
22:54<R4F_Debian>Hi Arcade, Glad to meet you now !
22:55<Arcade>systemctl status is working for me. Is this a new install nollidj
22:55<nollidj>i suspect that the systemd that is running is somehow incompatible with the systemd tools that were installed in a package upgrade
22:55<nollidj>this is an install that has been working for over 6 months
22:55<Arcade>that could be nollidj
22:56<R4F_Debian>I would like to know how do I do to be able to access some data existing in a GPT partition in a hard drive here through Debian tools
22:56<R4F_Debian>I will format this hard drive with other Debian Jessie installation using XFS but I would like to recover data from its GPT partition first of all, Please
22:57<nollidj>R4F_Debian: do you have access to a full graphical environment or just console?
22:58<nollidj>you might get some traction out of gparted if you have a graphical environment
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22:58<nollidj>but if the command parted is available on console, you could try running "parted <disk device> print", where <disk device> is something like /dev/sda or /dev/hda
22:59<nollidj>(you can ls /dev to see what devices have been detected)
22:59<R4F_Debian>Hi nollidj, thanks for attention ! I would prefer through command line
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23:00<nollidj>do you know which device entry in /dev corresponds to the disk drive you want to pull data from?
23:02<R4F_Debian>sincerely I don't know, nollidj, I just would like to access this data by the same way I can using other partitions, such as ext 4, xfs, btrfs
23:02<nollidj>R4F_Debian: ok. if you're in something like a recovery or installation console, the partition probably isn't going to be auto-mounted for you
23:02<nollidj>this web site may be sufficient for what you need to know: http://www.pjc.me.uk/efi-gpt/
23:02<R4F_Debian>I see, nollidj, how do I do in this case ?
23:03<R4F_Debian>oh, of nollidj
23:03<R4F_Debian>by the way, this machine has not support for uefi
23:03<nollidj>your basic steps are going to have to be: figure out which device entry in /dev corresponds to your drive; check that you can see the partition; mount the partition
23:04<nollidj>that page suggests that you may just be able to refer to the Nth GPT partition of /dev/sdX as /dev/sdXN, which is standard nomenclature
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23:04<nollidj>e.g., for the scsi disk /dev/sda your second partition is /dev/sda2
23:05<R4F_Debian>ok nollidj, I will try it, don't have experience on it, but I will try it. thanks anyway ! :)
23:05<nollidj>you may need to specify what kind of filesystem is on the partition, in which case when you try to mount it you will need to specify it with mount -t
23:05<nollidj>what sort of environment are you running these commands in?
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23:06<R4F_Debian>sorry nollidj, I did not understand your question
23:07<nollidj>R4F_Debian: how are you getting to a console? do you have a full debian install already? are you booting off of installation media?
23:08<R4F_Debian>Oh, yes, I'm running Debian Jessie 8.5 here (amd64), fully installed with btrfs file system
23:08<nollidj>then do you see entries like sda1, sdb3, etc., when you ls /dev ?
23:09<R4F_Debian>at present, I haven't started these procedures, I will just asking you before taking any action, trying to understand the best way to fix this issue
23:10<R4F_Debian>just one moment, please, I'm at job now
23:10<nollidj>oh ok
23:11<R4F_Debian>I used 'ls /dev' here, nollidj, but I will have to paste it to show you
23:11<nollidj>sure
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