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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-08-24

---Logopened Wed Aug 24 00:00:11 2016
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01:07<sauron__>hi, i run a tar command as a user but when i try to run it with sudo -u as root i get permission denied, what is the problem?
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01:09<stephen0001>sauron__: that's interesting
01:09<sauron__>i solved it via sudo -iu command :-?
01:11<stephen0001>if you fixed it, that's more than great
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01:12<sauron__>why do i need -i for tar command? sudo -u <user> tar ... doesn't work but sudo -iu <user> tar ... works fine :-?
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01:13<stephen0001>in man pages explains it in great detail about how -i, --login works
01:14<sauron__>cool :))
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03:58<MarkedOne>Hello why is linux kernel compiled with -O2 optimalization for speed and not -O3? It should work anyway just faster isn't it?
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04:00<jm_>you'll want to talk to lkml about that
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04:05<MarkedOne>Ah he/she is not here... maybe someone on #debian-kernel could answer
04:05<jm_>!lkml
04:05<dpkg>hmm... lkml is the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read http://web.archive.org/web/20110721110318/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/
04:05<MarkedOne>Ehm... shame on me.. thanks for your help
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04:26<prem>hi all
04:26<prem> is CVE-2016-5696 regarding the implementation of RFC 5961 is fixed in debian jessie kernel?
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04:27<william__>hola
04:28<jm_>prem: looks like the answer is no https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5696
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04:37<LostSoul>Hello
04:38<LostSoul>I'm using libnss-ldap to authenticate to AD. Recently I've notice that there are some problems. First prompt for user password can take up to 30-60 sec, and second after proper login can take up to 30-60 sec
04:39<LostSoul>Any idea how to debug this? I have other servers configured in similar way and AD login works like a charm (up to 3-5 sec to login)
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04:42<test>hello
04:43<test>is there anyone here?
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04:44<jm_>test failed
04:45<LostSoul>LOl jm_ - you just scared guyy :)
04:47<jm_>LostSoul: I said it after they left
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04:53<OERIAS>where is Aginsberg?
04:53<OERIAS>where is Jsavage?
04:53<OERIAS>the folks from cyl.us server?
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05:40<OERIAS>where is Aginsberg?
05:40<OERIAS>where is Aginsberg?
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06:21<MarkedOne>I have used command `apt-get source linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686` and I get these files: linux_4.6.4.orig.tar.xz , linux_4.6.4-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz. I expected to see kernel sources with applied debian patches..
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06:22<jm_>MarkedOne: cd linux-4.6.4
06:22<MarkedOne>in .debian.tar.xz there is something i dont understand :D nvm... but question is. Does .orig.tar.xz already containt all debian pathches?
06:23<jm_>you should see this on screen, i.e. extracting linux in linux-4.6.4 ... applying debian/version.patch ...
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06:24<MarkedOne>so I should extract linux_4.6.4.orig.tar.xz to get kernel sources... and then linux_4.6.4-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz there should be patches I need to apply?
06:26<babilen>No, that would already have been done for you
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06:26<jm_>apt-get source already extracts it for you and patches get applied
06:26<babilen>So just take a look at the created directory
06:26<babilen>What are you trying to do?
06:27<MarkedOne>jm_ I have used --download-only option for apt-get
06:27<jm_>MarkedOne: then use dpkg-soruce -x *.dsc
06:27<jm_>source*
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06:28<MarkedOne>jm_ will it compile .deb package?
06:29<jm_>MarkedOne: no
06:29<MarkedOne>babilen: I have successfully compiled and install kernel from kerne.org.. now I want to try do same with debian modified kernel (patches)
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06:29<MarkedOne>jm_ thanks.. i will try
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06:30<babilen>MarkedOne: Whatfor?
06:31<MarkedOne>babilen: To have debian patches applied.. and tweak config..
06:32<babilen>So you primarily want to change the kernel configuration of the Debian kernel?
06:32<babilen>Anything in particular you are after?
06:35<MarkedOne>babilen: Yes.. I would like to create tailored kernel for my HW.. without unneeded drivers
06:35<MarkedOne>I have a lot of spare time at the moment :)
06:35<babilen>Why not do something more productive?
06:36<babilen>Anyway .. you might want to read https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html
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06:38<MarkedOne>babilen: do you think that there is no benefit from tweaking config?
06:39<petn-randall>MarkedOne: The kernel only loads the kernel drivers you need, anyway, so you're not really "wasting" any ressources with the stock kernel.
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06:43<petn-randall>MarkedOne: If you're curious about how the kernel works and what it is made of, it's a great excercise, but I wouldn't do it for performance reasons.
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06:43<MarkedOne>petn-dandall: Any other speed tweaking? Like cpu specific optimalizations or something...
06:43<MarkedOne>pent-randall: Oh so my question is answered :D
06:44<petn-randall>MarkedOne: petn<tab>
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06:44<MarkedOne>petn-randall: Sorry... I apologise
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06:46<petn-randall>MarkedOne: No problem, just giving a useful hint for the future. Saves you a little time, too :)
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06:48<MarkedOne>yeah thank you very much :)
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06:52<MarkedOne>And another question... I can have multiple kernels.. but different kernels depends on different versions of "linux-base" package and probably more.. What to do?
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06:56<petn-randall>,v linux-base
06:56<judd>Package: linux-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5; jessie: 3.5; jessie-backports: 4.3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.4; sid: 4.4
06:56<petn-randall>MarkedOne: Normally the one in stable or stable-backports should be new enough. How did you handle it before?
06:56<jm_>the higher version should do for older kernels
06:57<jm_>or is the dependency ==?
06:57*jm_ checks
06:57<jm_>it says >=
06:59<MarkedOne>so it should be okey... because old kernel Depends: kmod | module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 3~), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, initramfs-tools (>= 0.110~) | linux-initramfs-tool
06:59<MarkedOne>>= 3~ means 4.3 too right?
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06:59<MarkedOne>am I right?
06:59<jm_>it means it needs linux-base version >= 3
07:00<MarkedOne>petn-randall: I didn't handle it before :D it is my first time playing with this :D
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07:02<MarkedOne>jm_: so it should be okey to use 4.3 version... Im just curious if >=3~ means anything 3.* or it may also be 4.3...
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07:02<MarkedOne>And sorry for dumb questions :D I'm noob :D
07:02<jm_>MarkedOne: yeah
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07:04<MarkedOne>ookey thanks jm_ and petn-randall.
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07:04<petn-randall>MarkedOne: >= 3~ is just like a numerical comparison. So everything that is 3.x and higher fulful this requirement. The ~ is a little special in Debian, don't worry about that for now.
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07:05<MarkedOne>petn-randall: THank you :)
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07:06<petn-randall>s/fulful/fulfils/
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07:22<LostSoul>jm_: Sorry, I missed it then :)
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07:58<brocl>somebody know how i can install brackets on debian??
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08:04<debian123>hi guys if I do apt-get dist-upgrade it won't upgrade to the next debian version but only update the current one (removing/adding new versions of software I have/need)
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08:04<debian123>right?
08:04<Naksu>brocl: download the .deb, install it manually, rejoice as everyone just links you the frankendebian thing instead of answering when you encounter problems
08:05<bremner>debian123: unless you have put something other than stable in sources.list
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08:05<brocl>Naksu: thanks you very! i try !
08:06<Naksu>oh dear
08:06<bremner>the dangers of online sarcasm
08:07<jm_>debian123: depends on what's in sources.list at that time
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08:16<grove>Technically i wrong to say that it's what's in sources.list *at the time* that matters. apt(-get) only reads sources.list on 'update', when running e.g. dist-upgrade it uses the local Packages files
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08:21<debian123>http://pastebin.com/7T1j5rin is stable right?
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08:23<petn-randall>debian123: yes, jessie is currently the latest stable.
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09:18<debian123>thks for the help guys, bye
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09:51*witness has been building packages all morning
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09:55<SynrG>test twice, build once? (with apologies to carpenters for mangling their adage)
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09:56<SynrG>anyway, #debian-offtopic is ... that-a-way -->
09:56<witness>well i was gonna ask a question then realized that this is just a large thing
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10:01<SynrG>oh, a single package build?
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10:02<SynrG>i thought you might've been iterating on failures
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10:07<witness>SynrG, yeah idk i dont know what it is doing it fucking goes for like 3 hours then straight up nags
10:07<witness>*hangs
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10:08<bremner>what is the package?
10:08<witness>llvm
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10:11<bremner>oh, well. it takes about 3h on the amd64 buildd's so, no surprise there
10:11<bremner>I mean, the hanging is a surprise/bug, but not the 3h
10:11<witness>idk if it is hanging or just doing something in the background for an hour
10:12<witness>i waited for an hour with no chanve
10:12<witness>*change
10:12<SynrG>watch what files it has open with lsof?
10:12<bremner>or what processes are running with top
10:12<witness>that would be smart
10:12<witness>thanks
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10:13<SynrG>top is smarter. i was thinking if it were stuck in one process iterating over multiple files, but i guess your average build procedure would do each thing in a different process
10:14<SynrG>(sorry, my openvms-infected brain missed this obvious thing :)
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10:14<witness>aaand my wm just crashed
10:14<SynrG>in $dayjob i just had to deal with a "hanging" process that turned out to be cranking out the same error, over and over again into a log, until all space on the system was consumed
10:15<witness>lel
10:15<witness>this install is so fucked
10:15<SynrG>i'm just adding a CPU limit to the job as a crude countermeasure
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10:16<witness>ug all i want to do is get klee working
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10:20<bremner>what version of llvm does it need?
10:21<witness>3.4
10:21<witness>which i am pretty sure is what i built
10:21<bremner>3.5 is in backports
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10:21<bremner>or does it need an obsolete version to work?
10:24<witness>idk klee docs says it is targeted at 3.4
10:24<bremner>I think 3.8 is current...
10:25<witness>http://klee.github.io/getting-started/ the only options in klees docks are 3.4 and 2.9
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10:25<witness>:p
10:25<bremner>ugh.
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10:26<witness>i mean i could try to write my own symbolic execution engine for llvm bitcode
10:26<witness>but no
10:26<witness>let's not do that
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10:27<bremner>ok, but llvm-3.4 is the version in stable (jessie). So you need something other than the binary packages provided by debian?
10:27<witness>ah
10:27<witness>errr
10:28<witness>i wouldn't think so
10:28<witness>my llvm is 3.4 allegedly
10:28<witness>ah shit i am using 3.6
10:29<witness>well this is gonna be fun
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13:35<laabd>CVE-2016-5696
13:35<laabd>It has been a few weeks, still no updated kernel images?
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13:50<retrospectacus>!cve lookup CVE-2016-5696
13:50<dpkg>Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-5696 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5696
13:50<laabd>yeah, i know
13:50<retrospectacus>that's for me
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14:03<drjuls>Hi! I installed Opera on Debian 8.5 by following these steps : http://www.edivaldobrito.com.br/instalar-opera-no-linux/
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14:03<drjuls>now I can not install flash player plugin . I do not think the directory to the folder plugins
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14:05<drjuls>Can someone help me?
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14:09<pencilandpaper>drjuls: http://www.opera.com/computer/linux
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14:11<drjuls>pencilandpaper: thank you, but with the .deb package from the official website could not install
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14:12<pencilandpaper>Why couldn't you install it drjuls ?
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14:23<drjuls>pencilandpaper: I managed to install now , but I can not install the plugin flashplayer
14:23<drjuls>pencilandpaper: I do not think the correct directory
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14:25<pencilandpaper>Ok cool drjuls , thanks. Now have you installed the flashplayer-plugin in general already?
14:25<pencilandpaper>And its just not working with Opera?
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14:27<drjuls>pencilandpaper: I believe so, because the firefox plugin was working
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14:28<drjuls>sorry , it is that I am a layman
14:28<pencilandpaper>Ok drjuls , and thats alright. We learn something new everyday. :)
14:28<pencilandpaper>I am updating right now, but after updates install..I will install Opera and see if I can get the flashplayer-plugin working and let you know how to do that ok?
14:29<drjuls>:)
14:29<drjuls>pencilandpaper: ok! Thanks!
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14:31<pencilandpaper>drjuls: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/12/how-to-get-flash-and-h264-to-work-in.html
14:31<pencilandpaper>That seems to be how to get it working drjuls .
14:31<pencilandpaper>Let me know if there is something that you don't understand there please.
14:32<pencilandpaper>I am going to try something different though. :)
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14:38<drjuls>I will try here and speak to you
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14:45<pencilandpaper>Ok cool.
14:45<pencilandpaper>Brb.
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14:49<black-knight>hi guys
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15:00<drjuls>pencilandpaper: I got it! lol ... I downloaded this package :https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/download
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15:00<drjuls>after I installed already started work in opera . Thanks a lot for the help!
15:01<black-knight>any idea about wordpress hack password?
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15:22<Elimar>Holaa
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15:24<Elimar>No hay nadie aqui? -.-
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15:28<pencilandpaper>Yw drjuls ..and glad that worked for you. :)
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15:30<drjuls>pencilandpaper: :D
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15:49<abc123>grawity, yesterday you and ygdba tried to help me out with my WiFi being very slow and being very intermittent. Just to clarify, it turned out that it was an issue of overlapping WiFi channels. When I changed my router to a another channel that was not filled up with channels from my neighbours the problem went away.
15:49<abc123>I am just mentioning it for future reference. Thanks again though.
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15:56<ach>ld: cannot find -lperl ?
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16:01<josh_>hi, question regarding package version, will package foo versioned 1.5~bpo8 match dependency on foo=>1.5?
16:03<josh_>I'm trying to build digikam 5.1 from the source package on jessie and it build depends on pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.15.21). I've pkg-kde-tools 0.15.21~bpo8+1 installed from backports but it says that the dependency isn't matched...
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16:05<lindi-_>josh_: yeah, that version is smaller than the requirement
16:05<lindi-_>josh_: however, you can just update the build dependency in the control file
16:05<josh_>that what I thought after reading the doc... any easy way to convice apt that this requirement is actually satisfied?
16:07<josh_>lindi-_: thanks. is there a way to tell it to require 0.15.21 and accept any ~'ed version as well?
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16:08<josh_>if I understand the docs >=0.15.21~~ should do it, right?
16:08<Guest871>josh_, there's dpkg --compare-versions to check these requirements with
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16:09<josh_>thanks!
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16:24<Gelcur>I was about to start a Jessie install and was reading up on ssd optimization. And I noticed "Samsung SSD 8*" is blacklisted. Online research confused me. Is it safe to use my 850 EVO?
16:25<josephg>i keep getting kernel panic at boot on stretch with /vmlinuz. no problems booting with /vmlinuz.old in grub2 all other options same.
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16:26<josephg>i keep getting kernel panic at boot on stretch 32bit with /vmlinuz. no problems booting with /vmlinuz.old in grub2 all other options same.
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16:29<Battaglin>voila!
16:29<josephg>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=129575
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16:31<blawiz>how can i set main monitor (or run a command) before logging/xdm?
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16:33<blawiz>man xdm talks about /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config but that doesnt exit on my sys
16:33<blawiz>oh, maybe its just empty ...
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16:33<LunaSela>josephg: seems like either initramfs is corrupted or due to some reasons unacessible to the bootloader. Did you try to recreate it with update-initramfs ?
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16:37<josephg>LunaSela: how do i update-initramfs for another kernel than the one i booted with?
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16:40<josh_>Gelcur, not sure what ssd optimization is used, but my 850 evo ssd holds the root partition of my debian jessie
16:40<LunaSela>josephg: there is a -k switch so specify the kernel version. I suppose it has to find the kernel build files / modules in /lib/modules in order to work
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16:41<josephg>i can see my initramfs contents with "lsinitramfs /initrd.img"
16:42<josephg>LunaSela: thanks i'm reading up on the -k option
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16:44<josephg>also just found from a google search. debian kernel handbook says initramfs for an installed linux-image can be regenerated by "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-xxx"
16:48<josephg>LunaSela: i'll try these. gotta reboot this laptop now. thanks for your quick help :) over and out.
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16:48<Gelcur>From what I could gather online it was an issue with trim. It seems if I follow this right, that the bug was originally thought to be in the ssd firmware but later it was determined to be in the Linux kernel. There also seems to be info that it was a raid issue, some say it wasn't all Samsung drives in the 8 series. Hence my confusion, apparently data loss is the result of the bug.
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16:50<josh_>what happens if you don't enable the optimization?
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16:56<Gelcur>I think you are fine as long as you leave over provisioned empty space. But I'm a novice at both ssd tech and Linux. I wouldn't even know what the defaults were. I'm just trying not to break things and learn as I go.
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16:58<Gelcur>This was the article I was reading: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
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17:04<LunaSela>Gelcur: it largely depends how much data you write to the SSD whether you have to think about SSD "wearing out". If you risk a firmware bug, I would avoud TRIM and buy a new drive when the old one is failing. You will have to do backups anyway for important data - as you know for sure
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17:06<real007>how trade password in this network, i forgot
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17:06<real007>hello
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17:08<danielsh>the network help channel is #help, I think
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17:16<kion>I had libreoffice installed from backports and did a sudo apt-get remove libreoffice* because I want to get the stable package... then when I did the sudo apt-get install libreoffice i get http://paste.debian.net/791366/
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17:20<lindi-_>kion: what does "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate" say?
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17:20<kion>lindi-_, I just did an apt-get autoremove and now it seems that it Will install libreoffice....
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17:22<kion>lindi-_, I don't have an option apt-show-versions
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17:22<lindi-_>kion: you can use the command-not-found command to find out which package provides some binary
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17:26<kion>thanks lindi-_ it is now being installed
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17:50<bipul>Hi.
17:52<bipul>I need a help in ACL's http://paste.debian.net/791392/ I have given permission "James" to access directory "A" though default:user:james:rwx
17:52<bipul>But unable to access, kindly help me out.
17:57<bipul>I am unable to access B from james account*
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18:10<Knorrie>bipul: also add james to the "normal" acl, the default thing is only to have it inherited for newly created things
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18:10<bipul>Knorrie, Oh i see.
18:10<bipul>So what ever we assign in default has no action on file or directory?
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18:11<Knorrie>try touch B/C and getfacl B/C
18:11<Knorrie>not on the toplevel itself no
18:12<bipul>with james account shall i try james$touch B/C
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18:13<bipul>Permission denied james@bipul:/home/bipul/A$ touch B/C touch: cannot touch 'B/C': Permission denied
18:14<Knorrie>yes, because james still has no write permission to B
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18:16<bipul>Knorrie, That's prove that defaul user, group,mask and other fields are for sub-directories and new files.
18:16<bipul>default*
18:16<Knorrie>for new things yes
18:16<bipul>means james will be in named user in the next sub-directory
18:17<bipul>?
18:17<Knorrie>probably, but james himself cannot create it as long as you don't add james to B itself
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18:18<bipul>Yes, now i understand the concept of ACL's directory permissions, thank you very much, because of you, it will always puzzle for me :) Knorrie
18:19*bipul bows to Knorrie
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18:27<shaffl>Can someone figure out why uid/gid flags are ignored by mount.ntfs-3g? My volume keeps mounting with uid/gid root instead of "1000". Thank you for the support.
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18:44<somiaj>shunzero: can you describe how you are passing these options to mount.ntfs-3g
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19:41<drjuls> guys , what IRC script you prefer to use ?
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19:42<Arcade>drjuls, depends on the irc client and what script it has
19:42<Arcade>some irc is python, perl and other languages
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19:49<drjuls>Arcade: Oh yeah ... I use konversation in kde , I wonder if there are any other with more options to format the text.
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19:50<themill>format?
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19:51<drjuls>sorry , I meant emoticons or text colors
19:52<themill>You'll find most channels don't permit colours and many users won't see any sort of emoticon
19:52<Arcade>yeah I got that turned off myself :)
19:54<drjuls>Ah understood ! thank you guys. I am satisfied with the konversation , was more of a curiosity even
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21:13<john_>hi new at irc i have been trying to connect to freenode for help on other topics I used to connect easy like debian tried all freenode methods and web help but no luck thanks in advance
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21:18<mdik>john_: could you state that more simple and clearly? like, what did you actually do?
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21:22<john_>I am trying to connect to freenode on irc. Now it is required to register your nick. I have tried all instructables I could find and none worked for me. They are telling you to register but if I cant connect the MSG doesnt go through
21:24<john_>If I try to connect to freenode server it dissconnect very quickly leaving none or little time to register nick
21:24<danielsh>john_, it disconnects you? not changing your nickname?
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21:25<danielsh>john_, I'm guessing "john_" on freenode is registered so the bot would rename you to Guest12345, but it shouldn't disconnect you.
21:26<john_>from what i understand freenode now you have to register nick to get connected. Yes it does dissconnect with0ut renaming
21:26<john_>I have not got a guest
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21:27<john_>dont know if server was too full or not for that
21:27<danielsh>email them, then?
21:27<danielsh>http://freenode.net/ advertises some support email address
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21:29<awal1>john_,I can connect to freenode without registering...
21:30<danielsh>john_, #freenode on freenode says: use http://webchat.freenode.net and register there.
21:30<danielsh>john_, (and join that channel afterwards for further support)
21:30<john_>Closing Link: 2600:100d:b101:a1c5:515f:4a17:806f:ef54 (SASL access only) this is what i get
21:30<john_>I will try
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21:33<danielsh>john_, see PM
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21:42<john_>This is so confusing it is stupid i try to connect to webchat and it ask for user name and password
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21:43<john_>I said i am new at this and must be really dumb so anybody step by step
21:45<themill>registration is not required to connect to freenode although it is if you enable SASL which you seem to have done
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21:46<themill>You can connect using the webchat and then /msg nickserv help
21:46<themill>or /msg nickserv help register
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21:58<jdetxq>no I havn't enabled SASL unless it defaulted
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22:11<Nicho1as>Hi, is the default kernel of current version of Debian okay for Ceph?
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22:12<Nicho1as>'cause the kernel of Debian 8.0 has some 2 issues : http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/start/os-recommendations/
22:13<Nicho1as>1: The default kernel has an older version of btrfs that we do not recommend for ceph-osd storage nodes. Upgrade to a recommended kernel or use XFS.
22:13<Nicho1as>2: The default kernel has an old Ceph client that we do not recommend for kernel client (kernel RBD or the Ceph file system). Upgrade to a recommended kernel.
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22:31<Gelcur>I had asked earlier about ssd support in Jessie, and Trim issues. The comments on this thread seem to clarify, http://m.slashdot.org/story/297453 . Apparently it's two bugs, one relating to raid in the kernel, and the other to ncq trim in the ssd firmware.
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