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03:16<MaBunny>hello
03:17<MaBunny>does anyone of you ppl hav any knowledge regarding to rooting debian fully on android?
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03:18<MaBunny>i mean to say tht i wanna buy a cheap phone,say 512 ram and 4 gb internal with 32 gb sdcard support,and root the phone totally to debian
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03:18<MaBunny>such tht when i start up my phone it loads debian,not android
03:19<pabs>"totally to Debian" isn't doable for most devices, the best you can get is a chroot under Android: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid
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03:20<MaBunny>well,why is it not possible....bcoz of missing android firmware kernel images?
03:20<pabs>Debian generally can't support mobile devices because they require a different custom version of Linux for each device
03:20<MaBunny>ok
03:20<pabs>but if you use the version of Linux from Android instead of Debian's version of Linux you can run Debian with a bit of work
03:20<pabs>here is an example from a few years ago: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/
03:21<MaBunny>pabs how can and
03:21<MaBunny>ok
03:22<pabs>also take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
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03:24<MaBunny>pabs hav you tried the following steps on your mobile?
03:24<MaBunny>the link seems to be done by you
03:24<pabs>yes, that is my blog post
03:25<MaBunny>well,did you follow those steps to install debian on android?
03:25<pabs>I did
03:26<MaBunny>ok
03:26<MaBunny>will you help me to do the same on my smartphone?
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03:27<pabs>which device are you going to get? one that supports fastboot would be best so that you can boot directly into Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid#Booting_into_Debian_instead_of_Android
03:27<pabs>I can try
03:27<MaBunny>idk,ill get a new phone to try this
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03:28<MaBunny>i would try on my current rooted one,but i hav only one phone
03:28<MaBunny>as for rooting and fastboot,ill manage tht
03:29<MaBunny>what do you think?
03:31<pabs>ok, so you would need to do some research about which devices support fastboot first. other phones will be possible to use but need more work
03:31<MaBunny>yes ill
03:31<pabs>personally I think the best place to start is one of the chroot apps like lildebi
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03:32<MaBunny>i had tried lildebi,and i think i can do more thn tht by myself
03:32<pabs>ok
03:32<MaBunny>i mean installing the packages which i need,i can do tht
03:33<MaBunny>also the system installation process
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03:38<MaBunny>how does this one sound:- http://www.shopclues.com/reach-cogent.html?mcid=ps&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=search|adwords|pla|search-pla-shopping&gclid=Cj0KEQjw9IS-BRC4qZXagbLs6uMBEiQAYHBh-3tCg4VT5gMA_m303EzAEmSP0S2ueAvCYtC6tPV7bZgaAnyN8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
03:38<MaBunny>oops
03:38<MaBunny>srry for flooding
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03:46<pabs>no idea, there don't appear to be any tech specs for that and cyanogenmod doesn't support it
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03:48<MaBunny>im for the hardware specs
03:48<MaBunny>like which processor
03:49<MaBunny>ok found it
03:49<MaBunny>Quad core 1.3 GHz & MediaTek MT6580
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03:55<MaBunny>i think iRoot will root it
03:58<pabs>I have to go, good luck :)
03:59<MaBunny>ok
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03:59<MaBunny>whn do you normally stay here?
03:59<MaBunny>pabs^^
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05:09<Megaf>Foks, please update the documentation. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s06.html.en https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official
05:09<Megaf>this things are still for kernel 2.6
05:10<Megaf>the packages asked to be installed in the tutorial dont even exist anymore in current versions of kernel
05:10<Megaf>of debian*
05:12<musca>,v kernel-handbook
05:12<judd>No package named 'kernel-handbook' was found in amd64.
05:12<musca>,v debian-kernel-handbook
05:12<judd>Package: debian-kernel-handbook on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.15; jessie: 1.0.15; sid: 1.0.17; stretch: 1.0.17
05:12<Megaf>how can I read it after it's installed?
05:13<stephen0001>Megaf: I can also see this on the article you shared "We'll also assume that your kernel version is 3.16. Make sure you are in the directory to where you want to unpack the kernel sources, extract them using tar xf /usr/src/linux-source-3.16.tar.xz and change to the directory linux-source-3.16 that will have been created."
05:13<musca>dpkg -L debian-kernel-handbook
05:13<dpkg>No packages found matching debian-kernel-handbook
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05:20<musca>Megaf: if you encounter bugs you can report them against the package, i think
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05:21<Megaf>At the moment I'm just looking for information on how to properly recompile the kernel package
05:22<Megaf>I'd like to change some configuration in the kernel such as preemption and timers
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05:36<grummund>Is there a way to run systemctl on a contained system (e.g. chroot) without actually entering it?
05:36<grummund>other than manually messing with symlinks
05:38<Megaf>This seems to be going on fine. file:///usr/share/doc/debian-kernel-handbook/kernel-handbook.html/ch-common-tasks.html
05:38<Megaf>thanks musca
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05:57<anonymous>helo
05:57<anonymous>hello
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05:59<pabs>MaBunny: Reach Cogent isn't supported by any of the community Android mods, so not sure how much luck you will have. On the other hand, MediaTek MT6580 is supported in mainline Linux so maybe you have some chance of getting standard Debian working
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06:03<pabs>it only supports the MT6580 evaluation board, not any phones though
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06:14<MaBunny>so by community android mods you mean "roms",pabs?
06:17<pabs>ROM is a bit of a misnomer but yeah, those. Replicant, CyanogenMod, etc
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06:17<MaBunny>ok
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06:28<Guest1073>help
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06:31<petn-randall>Guest1073: Feel free to ask your support question.
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06:33<bremner>left. username "hacker". snert.
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06:35<petn-randall>Guessing they were a Kali user.
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06:46<aef_>hi, i am trying to load non-free firmware into the Jessie amd64 installer from removable media
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06:47<aef_>sadly, neither a CD nor a USB harddrive containing the raw firmware files was accepted
06:47<aef_>now i've read that I was supposed to provide the firmware packages
06:48<aef_>what do i have to do to make the installer find these files?
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06:48<bremner>accepted when, during the install process?
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06:49<aef_>during the beginning of the install process
06:49<aef_>i get asked if i want to load files from removable media
06:49<aef_>i answer with "Yes"
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06:49<aef_>it takes a few seconds and then the dialog just reappears without any message
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06:50<bremner>hmm. It's been a while but it did work for me.
06:50<aef_>yeah, i remember it working before as well
06:50<bremner>check the other virtual consoles for log messages?
06:51<aef_>good idea
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06:53<aef_>seems like it complains about the firmware not being loadable
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06:59<aef_>ok, but then again failed to load could also mean it cannot find the file
06:59<aef_>its not that clear from the log output
06:59<aef_>but it also complains about UTF8 not being a good encoding choice for a FAT filesystem
07:00<aef_>might be a hint
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07:03<bremner>I see that complaint a lot.
07:03<aef_>did it ever causea problem for you?
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07:23<petn-randall>aef_: That UTF-8 warning can be safely ignored, it's not relevant to your problem.
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07:23<petn-randall>aef_: I don't remember how loading firmware works in the installer, but if all else fails, you can always use the non-free installer that comes with the firmware.
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07:25<Shentino>A shout-out from a fan. I love how debian is structured, even if I have an issue with hard-coding things.
07:25<Shentino>And this is from a gentoo lover!
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07:27<cyberanger>petn-randall: Think it's as simple as a tarball on a flash drive
07:27<cyberanger>the installer handled the mounting and untaring even
07:27<cyberanger>(It's been awhile, but I remember it being that dead simple)
07:27<petn-randall>Shentino: Hard coding things?
07:28<ach>well it is not that kind stable about it came with my things but my opinion is bust the raw bots acting at moment to my Debian!!
07:29<petn-randall>ach: Do you have a support question?
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07:30<Shentino>I'v ehad a hard time trying to redirect my X11 to vt13 and set up vt1-12 with getty
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07:31<ach>i fixed it by my same ihave two questions to them no one asnwered but i fixed do up a new install and found out to have raw bots?
07:32<ach>or that even to ackward spend how about my life things could pend i am on give empire wife feel happy with sane to own mind more i think i am not wrong with law?
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07:36<ach>if you want technically details of what was to fix at the software i would explain but i think it almost wai am most favor Debian user.
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07:45<bremner>ach: I don't know about others, but I have no idea what "raw bots" are.
07:45<petn-randall>ach: I can't really understand what you're saying. What is your native language? We might have a channel in your language.
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07:49<ach>no i feel well should i explain in here how you can make raw bots?
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07:52<MaBunny>ach pls tell
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07:54<ach>you take some header try bind some assmbler chaos on it and get posssible control assmbler information devine!
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07:55<MaBunny>chutzrappa!!
07:55<MaBunny>and do you think your magic words will make Hermione Gringer cringe?
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07:59<ach><.<
07:59<ach>i think i would most full grant to your words.
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08:01<bremner>maybe this could move to #debian-offtopic. or just stop.
08:01<H4LIS>hi guys
08:01<H4LIS>what's up
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08:15<MaBunny>hey H4LIS
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08:17<stephen0001>guys, I have this error message "Failed to get backlight or LED device 'backlight:acpi_video0': No such device", and I searched a bit about it. This error is supposed to be for laptops, but I'm on a desktop PC
08:18-!-mode/#debian [+l 770] by debhelper
08:19<lateef>bonjour a tous
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08:27<H4LIS>MaBunny?
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08:27<MaBunny>just greeting ya pal
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10:47<pyro>german-elite
10:47<pyro>#german-elite
10:48<pyro>...
10:48<pyro>I would like to run xscreensaver-command -lock after the system automaticaly started, any idea? I need to run a server but the needed programm need desktop, however I dont want the system exposed.
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10:58<denn1s>Anyone assist me on adding wheezy-backport-sloppy to my sources list? Im having trouble
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11:08<musca>denn1s: what kind of troubble do you suffer from?
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11:10<denn1s>I can't seem to add it to the sources list, I get permission denied @musca
11:10<musca>only root can modify sources.list
11:11<denn1s>im using sudo
11:11<musca>ok
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11:13<musca>sudo -e /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:15<denn1s>and the line im going to be adding is " deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy main" for the sloppy?
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11:24<user__>hello
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11:25<grove>denn1s: When do you get a "permission denied" message? Can you put the complete interaction on a pastebin?
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11:32<ach>i do not know but i tried in the browser and their is a dists between /debian 'dists' wheezy-backports-sloppy
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11:33<ach>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports-sloppy/main/
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11:37<meioyt>Will openssl 1.1 come to debian testing?
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11:47<OHfanhoto>greetings! I 'm really lay in linux . But I installed Debian 8 with Gnome on a personal notebook , I wonder if you need to set rules for iptables , or if I can leave it as is after the same installation
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13:45<grummund>hi, apt-get update fails with an error inside an armhf chroot
13:45<grummund>W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease: Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?)
13:46<sney->is gnupg installed
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13:46<grummund>W: The repository 'http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease' is not signed.
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13:46<grummund>yes, gnupg *is* istalled, the chroot was created with debootstrap
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13:48<sney>the second warning would seem to be a red herring considering the first
13:48<sney>could not execute apt-key. can you manually execute apt-key?
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13:52<grummund>"apt-key list" lists 7 separate keys, for jessie squeeze and wheezy
13:52<sney>hmm. odd
13:53<grummund>the chroot when made to an image and installed on real armhf hardware had no problem
13:54<sney>is... is the chroot not on armhf hardware?
13:54<grummund>actually i think armhf is a red-herring, it probably fails with native arch also
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14:27<user__>Hello All
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14:28<user__>need help in deciding what partition scheme to use for SSD (256 gb) don't have any other hard drive.
14:28<sney>all together, with swap approximately equal to ram size
14:28<sney>there's not a lot of merit to separating partitions on a personal system.
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14:30<user__>is it mandatory to have swap, I read that swap might lessen sdd life, is there any possiblity to avoid it?
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14:31<MWelchUK>user__: Depends if you want to suspend to disk or not.
14:32<musca>you don't need swap. It is used for hibernation though.
14:32<sney>it's only mandatory to have swap if you are planning to use the hibernate/suspend to disk function. however, it's also unlikely that it will lessen your SSD life. Those concerns are pretty much exclusive to early SSD hardware and the problems have been largely solved
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14:32<sney>and it can be useful if you deal with large files or do extreme amounts of multitasking, etc. it can't hurt anyway
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14:36<user__>thanks a lot @sney and @musca.. wish me luck I am going to install debian + cinnamon.. thanks again for responding
14:36<sney>np
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14:48<anonymu>verificar o tamanho da off_t ... (em cache) 8
14:48<anonymu>verificar qual o tipo a ser usado para apr_off_t ... off_t
14:48<anonymu>verificar o tamanho da pid_t ... 8
14:48<anonymu>verificar se byte ordenação é bigendian ... (em cache) sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de strnicmp ... não
14:48<anonymu>verificação de strncasecmp ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de stricmp ... não
14:48<anonymu>verificação de strcasecmp ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de strdup ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de strstr ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de memchr ... sim
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14:48<anonymu>verificação de strtoll ... sim
14:48<anonymu>Verificação de DSO ...
14:48<anonymu>verificação de NSLinkModule ... não
14:48<anonymu>verificação de shl_load em -ldld ... não
14:48<bremner>!ops anonymu
14:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bremner complains about: anonymu
14:48<anonymu>verificação de dlopen ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de dlsym ... sim
14:48<anonymu>Verificação de Processos ...
14:48<anonymu>verificação de waitpid ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de matrizes de comprimento variável ... não
14:48<anonymu>verificando struct rlimit ... não
14:48<anonymu>Verificação de Bloqueio ...
14:48<anonymu>verificação de semget ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de semctl ... sim
14:48<anonymu>verificação de rebanho ... sim
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14:49<anonymu>verificação de semaphore.h ... (em cache) sim
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14:51<GLolol>i think he would've eventually pasted an error and asked for help
14:51*GLolol facepalms
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14:56<bremner>and we would have said "do it again, but with LANG=C" ;)
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15:28<mdx0>Hi, I'm trying to connect my 2. PC to the net. I only having a text console. No graphic Desktop. Need to edit the file:" interfaces" No have the command:"iwlist" can somebody help, me out?
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15:30<mdx0>but I have installed: netstat. Can I built a connection with netstat or am I totaly wrong?
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15:32<pdebian>Hello.
15:32<malice95>hey
15:32<grawity>mdx0: no, you're totally wrong
15:32<grawity>mdx0: do you have either iw or wpa_supplicant?
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15:33<pdebian>is there any good gui tool for knowing and manipulating disk partition in debian. One as in Mint were "Disks" which give all info also device lables vis /dev/sda ..etc
15:33<mdx0>grawity, I have ifconfig
15:33<grawity>mdx0: do you have either iw or wpa_supplicant?
15:33<grawity>pdebian: that sounds like either gnome-disk-utility or gparted
15:34<malice95>./q
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15:34<pdebian>okay. thanks @grawity. I shall install the same.
15:35<mdx0>iwlist is not present
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15:35<grawity>mdx0: is either iw or wpa_supplicant present?
15:36<mdx0>grawity, what does it mean: iw or wpa_supplicant?
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15:37<grawity>do you have the 'iw' command?
15:37<grawity>do you have the 'wpa_supplicant' program?
15:37<mdx0>no, I don't have:iw
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15:38<mdx0>I there a another similar command?
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15:43<mdx0>grawity, what can I do, else?
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15:43<mdx0>or what else can I do
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15:48<mdx0>don't have: iwlist
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16:00<mdx0>if, I edit interfaces correct, I should be able to connect the pc?
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16:00<lateef>hello
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16:08<mdx0>can I work without: iwlist
16:08<mdx0>?
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16:14<somiaj>mdx0: you might need to install some of the wireless cli tools to get the card up. I don't know if iwlist is required, but it might be in a package with other required tools
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16:17<mdx0>thanks, I'm thinking there is maybe someting on the installation media, maybe I can install it from this media? but I have a problem to mount it correctly
16:20<mdx0>when I run mount there is a line: /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot/efi type vfat.....that must be the usb-media but I don't know how I can mount the usb-stick?
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16:24<mdx0>can't find the stick with mount, only strange things
16:27<mdx0>I only have to find the stick
16:28<mdx0>but can't
16:30<mdx0>com mon, please help me a little bit
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16:32<mdx0>mount shows: /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot/efi type vfat
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16:35<climjark>whats everyone up to
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17:09<malice95>hello?
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17:10<sney>hi
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17:12<malice95>Is this the council of the elders?
17:13<sney>this is a support channel for debian users. so depending on what you really mean, maybe
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17:15<malice95>Yeah, Im very new to Linux, and I am trying to figure out just a simple wireless connection, I have ethernet right now, and can go onto my router and what not
17:16<malice95>or access it
17:16<rsmith>malice95: maybe you need a proprietary driver for you wireless device?
17:16<climjark>do you use wpa?
17:16<climjark>wpa has a suppliment right?
17:16<malice95>yeah, I do
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17:17<malice95>I entered a wireless connection but it doesen't connect.
17:17<climjark>what type of NIC do you use?
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17:19<malice95>Wireless Card? I haven't installed any drivers for it to my knowledge
17:20<climjark>are you online from a different computer?
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17:20<malice95>No Im currently hooked up to my router via an ethernet cable
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17:21<hi>hi
17:22<C-Keen>malice95: can you restate your problem again please?
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17:22<C-Keen>I am confused
17:22<climjark>hes trying to setup his wifi connection if im not mistaken
17:23<malice95>Yeah thats it, do I have to do this IPV4 setup?
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17:28<mdx0>like to configure the file /etc/network/interfaces without: iwlist
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19:32<bluzeo>lol never mind - i about to ask why i cant autohide my deskbar.
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21:36<sorokya>looking for some help. Just did a fresh install of debian stable on my machine and was trying to add a startup script to set my default monitor on login. Now every time I try logging in Gnome and MATE crashes
21:36<sorokya>the startup script was `xrandr --output NAME --primary`
21:38<sorokya>I removed ~/.config/autostart/xrandr.desktop and it's still crashing
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21:40<sorokya>anyone?
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23:40<storge>if i'm going to download 8.5 for a usb install with persistence, and i want it to work on most machines available, is the amd64 the best bet
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