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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-08-31

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00:10<stephen0001>bit_flipper: partially off-topic but related to your question: daaaaamn perfectionism mate! +100
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00:18<destan>hi
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02:37<holoirc1>Hey
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02:38<gn0mish>How r u
02:39<gn0mish>What are the correct debian testing repos
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05:34<TotallyNotKim>Hey me again. I read all release nodes regarding upgrading from wheezy to jessie and did not find any problems. I'm still only able to boot the 3.2.0 Kernel using the jessie (systemd) userland, booting the 3.16.0 kernel (or newer, tried backports) result in a busybox. I checked the rootfs multiple times now, and I can mount it manually in the busybox, setting it as explicit root= parameter does not help. I removed the "quiet"
05:34<TotallyNotKim>parameter to see if the kernel outputs any error messages, which it doesn't. I removed unnecessary hardware, reinstalled the kernel multiple times and regenerated the initramfs, which doesn't seem to have any effect.. Only thing I noticed that the busybox is printing the help text of 'readlink' before switching on the shell. Any ideas?
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05:38<SynrGy>was it a pure wheezy system (no third party software?) did the upgrade go well, finishing completely, or were there errors? (i.e. if you boot the old kernel and apt-get dist-upgrade, does it try to upgrade anything else?)
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05:43<SynrGy>is there anything else unusual about the system you didn't mention? (non-x86 architecture or otherwise exotic hardware, etc.?)
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05:45<SynrGy>TotallyNotKim: ah, looked over more of the backlog about your issue:
05:45<SynrGy>11:56 < TotallyNotKim> the exact message from initramfs is 'Can't find /root in /etc/fstab'
05:46<SynrGy>did you check to see if the UUID (if it mounts via UUID in /etc/fstab) actually matches the UUID of your root filesystem?)
05:47<SynrGy>i.e. try: /sbin/blkid
05:48<SynrGy>compare what it reports with UUID=ff112233... or so in /etc/fstab
05:48<SynrGy>if it is incorrect, then fix it in /etc/fstab
05:49<SynrGy>e.g. i have (from blkid):
05:49<SynrGy>/dev/sda1: UUID="b7d082d8-c134-477f-8b6d-1fbadd46fad7" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="6f01efda-01"
05:49<SynrGy>and in fstab:
05:49<SynrGy>UUID=b7d082d8-c134-477f-8b6d-1fbadd46fad7 / ext4 errors=remount-ro,discard 0 1
05:50<SynrGy>similarly, verify any other fstab entries all have valid UUIDs and fix any that are wron
05:50<SynrGy>wrong*
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05:55<SynrGy>TotallyNotKim: ah. i see petn-randall also mentioned the UUID thing but I didn't see any answer by you to that question. (and petn-randall, i think /root is just where / gets mounted temporarily by the initramfs)
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05:55<TotallyNotKim>SynrG thanks for looking over it :) System is am64, migrated from squeeze vserver to wheezy lxc before the jessie upgrade. Upgrade went through without any errors
05:55<TotallyNotKim>Actually /etc/fstab is empty when I look into it from initramfs
05:56<SynrGy>i see. so it is unusual in that it is lxc.
05:56<TotallyNotKim>it's running on kvm,. but that shouldn't matter
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05:56<SynrGy>so, /etc/fstab really ought to have an entry in it for your root filesystem.
05:57<SynrGy>if it was installed strangely (e.g. from a debootstrap) then it might not
05:57<SynrGy>and older versions of debian would have no issue with that. the kernel would mount the root filesystem just fine.
05:57<SynrGy>but since the switch to systemd, you *must* have an entry for the root filesystem
05:58<TotallyNotKim>okay, so I should get a root entry into the fstab in initramfs, did I understand that correctly?
05:58<SynrGy>if you had originally installed normally (i.e. using debian-installer) it would've created /etc/fstab for you
05:58<SynrGy>well, on your filesystem, and then regenerate the initramfs. but essentially yes
05:59<TotallyNotKim>Actually I don't know, because it's an older system which was cloned from a template, which I did not create myself
05:59<SynrGy>ok. smells like a debootstrap install, with some missed steps by the person who created it.
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06:00<SynrGy>(given the fact it was originally on a vserver, this isn't terribly surprising ... people do all sorts of strange things to bring up virtual systems)
06:00<SynrGy>ideally, always install with debian-installer.
06:00<TotallyNotKim>nono, it _hosted_ vserver containers
06:01<SynrGy>ohh
06:01<TotallyNotKim>sorry if that wasn't clear
06:01<SynrGy>gotcha.
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06:01<SynrGy>in any case, whatever its heritage, i think we have a clear way forward now.
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06:04<TotallyNotKim>SynrG that's the fstab right now: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b1216d18/
06:04<TotallyNotKim>did regenerate the initramfs already
06:05<TotallyNotKim>however /etc/fstab in the initramfs itself is still empty
06:05<SynrGy>are you positive the device is called /dev/vda1 early in boot? one would normally use UUID there to ensure consistent naming
06:06<SynrGy>as for /etc/fstab in initramfs being empty, i don't know
06:06<TotallyNotKim>used the uuid before with the same result
06:06<TotallyNotKim>but I can check that
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06:11<TotallyNotKim>nope, no success with that
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08:37<_Null>hey
08:37<_Null>does someone can give me some tips in how to crack windows 10 from linux
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08:37<_Null>?
08:38<@themill>no
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09:09<LunaSela>A question to bug #806617 Do I understand that correctly : If no one steps in, freeraidus might be dropped when Stretch is released and users of freeradius will have three options 1) Migrate away from freeradius 2) Stay on outdated version 3) Do build/packaging by theirselves
09:09<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/806617 in src:freeradius (open): «freeradius: FTBFS when built with dpkg-buildpackage -A (dh_install: freeradius-common missing files)»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-11-29; last modified: 2016-08-30.
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09:10<bremner>basically, yes.
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09:20<LunaSela>bremner: surprising that a package like "freeradius" got to this state. I probably overestimated its popularity.
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09:21<bremner>the number of users is not that well correlated to the number of contributors, anyway.
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09:36<LunaSela>Hmm, so I will probably head for building it myself when the situation does not change. Thanks for the information
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09:40<bremner>It might be a better time investment to actually help with the bug
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09:46<LunaSela>bremner: the current freeradius 3.0.11 tarball contains a debian directory and a dpkg-buildpackage seems to build "something". Helping with the bug would mean testing and bugfixing the build/packaging or would it mean adapting it to Debian policies (which I probably do not know enough) ? Suppose it means both?
09:47<bremner>I guess that bug is purely a packaging bug.
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09:53<bremner>the bug discussion somewhat suggests that packaging 3.0 is a good idea. But that's somewhat independent from fixing this bug
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09:56<LunaSela>bremner: okay, maybe fixing 2.x would be not be that gigant problem. But I (mis)interpreted it, that fixing 2.x is not really wanted. (2.x is EOL now). So fixing the current build would mean that it could re-enter Stretch?
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09:57<bremner>yes
09:57<bremner>of course, if being EOL is a serious problem, that could pull it out again
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10:01<LunaSela>bremner: hmm. I might give it a try after reading some docs. dpkg packacking still is some voodoo to me.
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10:02<bremner>yeah, it's a bit nontrivial. But so is building and updating your own version of software.
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10:06<LunaSela>bremner: yeah, you are right, but that is what I done when I used Linux the first time, so it is something I am used to do. (and is only much of work and not really difficult). But getting some dpkg knowledge could also be a chance to give something back after using Debian for several years now
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10:15<pi__>hi all
10:15<pi__>anyone know a terminal based xmpp client for raspbian?
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10:19<duclicsic>pi__: we will only support debian stable here, raspbian and other variants have their own channels usually. that said, with 30 seconds on google i was able to find that "profanity" is a terminal based xmpp client, and it is in the raspbian repos.
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13:16<sapristi>hello, i have a problem with icedove (thunderbird) : it doesnt connect to my imap gmail account since I updated my system (debian testing)
13:17<sapristi>(gmail is configured to accept less secured clients)
13:17<danielsh>testing support on #debian-next
13:17<sapristi>does anyone know where i can ask for more help ?
13:17<danielsh>^
13:17<sapristi>thanks
13:17<Trinker>software invesiment o debian amd64...
13:18<Trinker>please
13:18<Trinker>the name
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13:19<Trinker>all others no is packet of system
13:20<Trinker>I research all
13:20<Trinker>existent
13:20<bremner>Trinker: what is your native language?
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13:21<amdgoon>hello, little question here, if s/w installation causes initrd to be updated, (but not the kernel getting updated) is it good practice to reboot? The packages were lvm2, dmsetup, and mdam and dependencies on debian stable...
13:22<bremner>amdgoon: any time shared libraries are updated, you need to make sure relevant services are restarted. In your case I'm not sure...
13:22<grawity>doesn't seem like a reboot would be useful in this case
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13:24<amdgoon>Thanks for advice. I have always done a reboot, but in this case, there are/were long calculations running, and I was wondering if I could get away without the reboot. Thinking I'll play it safe and wait, reboot, then procede with raid/lvm.
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13:33<jelly>amdgoon: if your system was bootable before, it's reasonable to assume any potential bugs fixed in initramfs bindings for lvm2 etc did not affect your system, or at least did not happen all the time
13:34<tuv>should I install both tlp and thermald on my laptop, or is either of them sufficient on its own?
13:36<amdgoon>hello jelly: yes not problems before, I just did not realize that lvm/raid tools were not installed and gave machine back to researcher. They started working on it and I had not set up backups, yet. When I got time to look at it, oops, no lvm... arg!
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13:36<jelly>so at the very least lvm wasn't needed for booting at all
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13:37<amdgoon>no, it was booting without that when it went into use
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13:39<amdgoon>I want to lvm a second and a third physical drive(s), which have nothing to do with OS or /home. Completely additional space.
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13:40<jelly>then you don't have to worry about rebooting
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13:40<amdgoon>then use the new lvm volume for backup
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13:41<amdgoon>ah, cool...
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13:52<amdgoon>thanks jelly, much appreciated
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14:04<vic_>someone can tell me if it is okee to install nautilus-dropbox on Ubuntu-MATE, with the following terminal command-- sudo apt install nautilus-dropbox
14:05<mtn>!ubuntu
14:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
14:06<vic_>ok dpkg... sorry; have good day
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14:20<Linked>Hi, my sources.list looks like this on an ovh machine:
14:20<Linked>deb http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian wheezy main
14:20<Linked>deb-src http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian wheezy main
14:20<Linked>deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
14:20<Linked>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
14:20-!-Linked was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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14:22<Linked>Hi, my sources.list looks like this on an ovh machine: https://paste.debian.net/798651/ Am I getting LTS or do i need to edit something ?
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14:23<musca>!LTS
14:23<dpkg>Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
14:24<Linked>yeah, i know that. But on the website it says that i don't need to change anything on my sources.list. I just want to double check if it's the case.
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14:26<somiaj>Linked: not for wheezy
14:26<somiaj>!wheezy-lts
14:26<dpkg>Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
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14:28<Linked>thx musca, somiaj
14:28<musca>yw
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15:02<tec>www.http.com
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15:04<ahmet>hello
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15:05<akiTendo>I have a kernel problem. I was following this tutorial - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-building-installing-a-custom-linux-kernel/
15:05<akiTendo>I successfully compiled the 4.7.2 kernel
15:06<akiTendo>But when I try to launch it it starts crashing over some missing realtek drivers.
15:06<bremner>I think make-kpkg is deprecated
15:06<akiTendo>Those drivers are present in the default debian kernel
15:06<bremner>there's an upstream target to make a debian package
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15:07<akiTendo>I didn't get a deprecation notice when I ran it last night.
15:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 630] by debhelper
15:08<somiaj>I would think it would be more a configuration issue than make-kpkg vs 'make deb-pkg', but the second is the current suggested method.
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15:10<ahmet>i dont remove chromium extention , it says not from chrome web store
15:10<akiTendo>Well, is there a way to get the firmware moved over to the new kernel?
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15:50<das>hello, security-related question : how much of a security risk is it to have an open USB port on a publicly available system? do attacks exist where a USB device would falsely advertise itself as needing an outdated, vulnerable driver and exploit it?
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15:51<das>ti the extent of my meager knowledge it would have to be hotpluggable, such as mass-storage or HID which have somewhat limited capabilities
15:52<bremner>isn't that the topic of the "bad usb" hack?
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15:53<das>bremner: from what I understand it's malicious firmware, but surely this still is bound by whatever driver supports the device
15:54<das>so it'd be possible to fake a file, like first time you read it it's an image but second time a binary or smth
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15:54<bremner>hmm. OK, I see your point, bad usb is more about the device being a keylogger or something similar.
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15:55<das>yeah masquarading as a HID
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15:56<das>what i'm wondering is if it's possible to invoke an unrelated, vulnerable driver, but it'd have to be hotpluggable I guess
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16:59<lindi->das: what sort of system do you have? does it run debian?
17:01<lindi->das: in many cases the biggest risk is that somebody can attach a usb keyboard and hit ctrl-alt-del to access BIOS or bootloader
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18:18<JasonO>hello
18:19<scrabbler>hey
18:19<JasonO>for some reason Debian Jessie only detects my external display as root. i.e. running arandr as root. Is there a display group?
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18:23<TheDoors>der God
18:23<TheDoors>Im so bored
18:24<TheDoors>IS leader was token today
18:24<TheDoors>I hope its true
18:24<TheDoors>US visit in Turkey helped a lot
18:24<TheDoors>looks like
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18:24<scrabbler>JasonO: did you setup your display stuff as the root user in the desktop? it could be configs saved to /root/.whatever
18:25<JasonO>scrabbler: https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian/blob/master/post-install-guide.md requires root
18:25<JasonO>scrabbler: I am on Jessie running Kernel 4.6
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18:53<sacarasc>Sorry, I am lazy. I have a cron job installed into /etc/cron.d/ when I set up the software, does this mean it will go off when planned? Or do I have to do anything else?
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19:03<sney>sacarasc: just being in the cron directory is enough (though I usually use a shell script in the cron.daily/weekly/etc dirs for even more laziness factor) (also hi)
19:04<sacarasc>Hey, sney! And that means I love certbot even more.
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19:04<sney>oh yeah certbot is excellent
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19:06<sacarasc>Got any tips on setting up some emaily type servers?
19:06<sney>don't
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19:07<sney>serious answer: digitalocean has a pretty good howto for postfix/dovecot/amavisd_new on a linux server
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19:14<sacarasc><3 sney.
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19:41<hektabyte>Hey guys, anyone has experience with customizing gtk.css file?
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20:45<JosephineBlue>hab meinen freund verloren
20:45<JosephineBlue>lost mine friend
20:46<JosephineBlue>And Im sure
20:46<JosephineBlue>U help me find him
20:46<JosephineBlue>Help
20:46<JosephineBlue>Im a real living person
20:46<JosephineBlue>often
20:46<JosephineBlue>it sems Im a bot
20:47<JosephineBlue>no worry I git an IQ from20
20:47<JosephineBlue>:-))
20:47<JosephineBlue>if I had an IQ from 21 hells Angels
20:47-!-mrcrowley [~mrcrowley@pool-96-253-29-39.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
20:47<JosephineBlue>had beaten me death?
20:47<JosephineBlue>short afret I was born
20:48<JosephineBlue>no matter
20:48<JosephineBlue>Some biker and a nerd Girl?
20:48<mrcrowley>hey everybody, I have what I hope isn't too complicated of a question
20:48<JosephineBlue>anyhow them was very nice
20:48<JosephineBlue>xrandr
20:49<mrcrowley>I was attempting to install tomcat7 but when I ran apt-get it told me some packages were unavailable
20:49<mrcrowley>how can I find where those packages are available?
20:50<JosephineBlue>I m very old
20:51<JosephineBlue>I listen Amy winehosuse 15 times
20:51<JosephineBlue>Back to black
20:51<JosephineBlue>and think
20:51<JosephineBlue>I m no soldier
20:51-!-DrZaius [~kusanagi@201.165.35.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:51<JosephineBlue>vuild in USA
20:52<JosephineBlue>lol*
20:52<JosephineBlue>but I hate war and force
20:52<JosephineBlue>so
20:52<JosephineBlue>we make now Peace and love
20:52<JosephineBlue>and thanks US for peace with Turkey
20:53<JosephineBlue>oops
20:53<JosephineBlue>Its all just a cheap Bussiness
20:53-!-pindy [~pindy@181.198.151.122.dynamic.dsl.dv.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:53<JosephineBlue>62 persons got more money than rest of usß
20:53<JosephineBlue> ?
20:53<JosephineBlue>8 Billions
20:54<JosephineBlue>That Im not black
20:54-!-pindy [~pindy@181.198.151.122.dynamic.dsl.dv.iprimus.net.au] has joined #debian
20:54<JosephineBlue>honest thanks whome?
20:54-!-pabs [~pabs@pabs.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
20:54<JosephineBlue>Jesus
20:54<JosephineBlue>?
20:54<JosephineBlue>I eat all christs for breakfast
20:54<JosephineBlue>but them are nice
20:55<JosephineBlue>USA build warriors
20:55<JosephineBlue>to make peace
20:55-!-mrcrowley [~mrcrowley@pool-96-253-29-39.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit []
20:56<JosephineBlue>so if its peace
20:56<JosephineBlue>what does warriors do?
20:56<JosephineBlue>I got a EGO
20:56<JosephineBlue> Charels Buckovskie will lick mine ass
20:56-!-InvadeD [~GeNocYdE_@d66-183-134-136.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
20:57<JosephineBlue>but No I never will allow
20:57<JosephineBlue> :-))
20:57<JosephineBlue>and Im sick of Idiots and Followers
20:57<JosephineBlue>aded it
20:58<JosephineBlue>I would maybe the perfect social Hacker
20:58<JosephineBlue>but
20:58<JosephineBlue>no thanks!
20:58<JosephineBlue>It is very easy to manipulate people
20:58<JosephineBlue>but
20:58<JosephineBlue>I use this just to help
20:58<JosephineBlue>and I shit on shit :-)
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20:59<JosephineBlue>I m poor
20:59<JosephineBlue>but
20:59-!-pabs3 [~pabs@pabs.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
20:59<JosephineBlue>with money u never can buy me
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20:59<JosephineBlue>and Jan died
21:00<JosephineBlue>cause he
21:00<JosephineBlue>thought like a Christ
21:00<JosephineBlue>and his murders ain t
21:00<JosephineBlue>he was working one some genius Ideea
21:01<JosephineBlue>and he sold it to some company
21:01<JosephineBlue>same evenning he died
21:01<JosephineBlue>I give a shit - cause iM NOBODY
21:01<JosephineBlue>i HOPE DEBIAN STAY FREE
21:01<JosephineBlue>and
21:01<JosephineBlue>u come together
21:02<JosephineBlue> nicly
21:02<JosephineBlue>and actuallyx
21:02<JosephineBlue>I m really disgusted about this chat
21:02<JosephineBlue>never about Debian
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21:03<JosephineBlue>U fucker all
21:03<JosephineBlue>had never been able to write this monolith system
21:03<JosephineBlue>but
21:03<JosephineBlue>u act like Gods?
21:03<JosephineBlue>Hell do u
21:04<JosephineBlue>and write shit about Jan?
21:04<JosephineBlue>Jan never talked to the devil
21:04<JosephineBlue>But u do
21:04<bremner>,ops JosephineBlue
21:05<bremner>err.
21:05<JosephineBlue>If one of u cheap users
21:05<bremner>!ops JosephineBlue
21:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bremner complains about: JosephineBlue
21:05<JosephineBlue>anytime allow to talk shit about Jan
21:05<JosephineBlue>I ask mine Brothers
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21:09<pabs>anyone know if it is possible to search the contents of the dpkg factdb?
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21:55<jemadux>i an using openmailbox,org and i cannot subscribe to mailing list.. where to report that ?
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21:56<pabs>what error do you get?
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22:05<somiaj>pabs: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/
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22:55<pabs>somiaj: thanks. is there any way to do that by querying the bot?
22:58-!-mode/#debian [+l 593] by debhelper
22:58<somiaj>pabs: I think there are some search commands, but I don't know what they are.
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23:16<Arcade>can I ask is there a specific reason why package manager runs as root and not use local permissions? I take it debian recommends not using sudo?
23:18<storge>huh?
23:19<storge>debian users tend to be heavy users of sudo, not sure what you're asking in that part.
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23:19<Arcade>when using package manager it asks for root info
23:19<storge>it does?
23:20<Arcade>yes: package updates does
23:20<phirephly>You're modifying all the system files. There aren't very many permissions to limit
23:20<@themill>pabs: listvals and listkeys; the website exists because it works much better than querying the bot directly
23:21<danielsh>Arcade, *when* does it ask for root password?
23:21<danielsh>When you tell it to "go ahead and install the packages", or before that?
23:22<Arcade>when I hit install updates
23:23<danielsh>That's perfectly normal.
23:24<Arcade>is there a reason it uses root instead of using sudo just curious
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23:26<danielsh>You mean, why there's a separate root password?
23:26<danielsh>(separate to the user password)
23:28<Arcade>I mean why does package manager use root instead of trying to use sudo as the local user like sudo apt-get dist-update
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23:30<phirephly>Sudo lets a user run a command as root. I do use sudo apt-get dist-update
23:30<danielsh>Because sudo might not be configured (and hence email a warning to the machine administrator)?
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23:34<Arcade>ok danielsh is it better to run updates as root or use the sudo command
23:35<@themill>what do you think the difference is?
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23:40<magyar>hi, my screen is freezing up while system logs are filled with these error:
23:40<magyar>[ 890.555614] radeon 0000:01:00.0: couldn't schedule ib
23:40<magyar>[ 890.555646] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl [radeon]] *ERROR* Failed to schedule IB !
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23:43<lids>does anyone know how create submenu/sort apps on gnome (like kali-linux tools)?
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23:43<magyar>this is on jessie
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