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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-09-01

---Logopened Thu Sep 01 00:00:22 2016
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02:05<das>lindi-: heading off to work now, i'll see if I can open IRC from there, cheers
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02:13<cnpefrank>hello
02:14<cnpefrank>everyone
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02:29<musca>The debian installer only configures sudo automatically, when you don't set a root password during installation.
02:29<musca>heh, scroll error, nvm
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02:41<MaBunny> installing openjdk-8-jdk for debian gives me these errors: http://paste.debian.net/800109/
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03:02<MaBunny>guys?
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03:13<tp43_uu>I need to down apache and php5 for my home workstation that doesn't have internet. Is there an easy way -all files plus dependencies? My current laptop 32bit stabe and home is 64bit stable.
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03:15<MaBunny>apt-get remove apache-version php5 && apt-get autoclean
03:15<MaBunny>autoremove
03:15<MaBunny>*
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03:30<musca>tp43_uu: https://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
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03:36<tp43_uu>musca, thx
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04:50<Fuck>Hi
04:50-!-Fuck is now known as Guest408
04:50<Guest408>how work smuxi in #8chan ?
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04:59<hunter>hi
04:59<Guest408>Hi
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04:59<Guest408>how work smuxi in #8chan ?
05:00<SynrGy>not sure what makes this a topic for debian support
05:01<SynrGy>you're apparently using smuxi right now. it seems to work.
05:03<Guest408>need to link to # 8chan by Rizon.net? i do not know how to work
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05:11<SynrGy>Guest408: i can't help with how to use smuxi, but generally, one must join the network a channel is on, first, before one can join the channel
05:11<SynrGy>check smuxi's doc for how to connect to a specific network. usually: /connect
05:11<Casper>try #smuxi
05:11<SynrGy>but if it has a gui, there may be some way to configure it
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05:15<Guest408>I use / join # 8chan, I am the only one channel. I use # 8chan page qchat.rizon.net, you can join the channel. Do not understand smuxi GUI settings
05:15<SynrGy>Guest408: nor do i. i don't use it. find where it says to configure networks. find rizon.net from its choices (or enter it in)
05:15<SynrGy>Guest408: after you are connected to rizon.net, then you can join
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05:16<Guest408>I try, thank you
05:16<SynrGy>Guest408: rizon's site says: https://www.rizon.net/info/access
05:16<Guest408>SynrGy: thank
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05:19<Guest408>Welcome to #8chan | 8ch.net | HKMposting and jealous detraction will be punished severely
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05:19<Guest408>Happy
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05:21<SynrGy>Guest408: there. not so hard :) have a good time
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05:26<dusteh>hello
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05:44<kiranos>is ther any news on when python3 will be default python for debian?
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05:48<SynrGy>kiranos: they might be able to say on #debian-python
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05:48<SynrGy>kiranos: check the link on py3 porting in the topic of that channel first
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05:49<SynrGy>kiranos: i'm sure nobody knows exactly when, but that will give you an idea of the work that is left to do
05:49<kiranos>SynrGy: thanks!
05:49<kiranos>SynrGy: I'm in no such, more that I dont have to update my scripts for a while :P
05:50<desafder>how is the version python decisions made General Resolution ?
05:50<kiranos>rush
05:50<SynrGy>kiranos: they will likely respond better to offers to help than just being pestered about when they'll be done :)
05:50<SynrGy>as usual with debian, it will be ready when it's ready
05:51<SynrGy>desafder: mostly GRs are not for technical decisions. those are left to the teams to decide.
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05:51<@themill>desafder: Debian has never used a General Resolution to decide anything about python. What's your real question?
05:51<SynrGy>desafder: it is probably constrained more by technical obstacles. once those are dealt with, the change can be made.
05:52<SynrGy>as i've already referred to, the py3 porting page explains what obstacles remai
05:52<SynrGy>remain*
05:52<desafder>how are default app selection made
05:52<SynrGy>desafder: each team decides based on the technical merits
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05:53<desafder>SynrGy: are the technical debates public ?
05:53<@themill>kiranos: btw python3.4 is already the default Python 3 in jessie (and 3.5 in sid). python2.7 is the default Python 2. There is no such thing as a "default Python" unless you've been hurt by using arch.
05:53<SynrGy>individual debian developers have a fair amount of autonomy. debian trusts the judgement of those who are doing the work that they will make reasonable decisions about their work
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05:54<SynrGy>desafder: generally, yes, each team has its own mailing list and those are public
05:54<kiranos>themill:
05:54<kiranos>#!/usr/bin/env python
05:54<SynrGy>desafder: also, there is the debian-devel mailing list for things that are of general interest to all developers
05:54<kiranos>defaults to 2.7
05:54<kiranos>themill: https://wiki.debian.org/Python
05:54<SynrGy>that is public, too
05:54<Guest408>*------- \+4
05:54<kiranos>Debian Jessie contains Python 2.7 (default), 3.4
05:54<kiranos>Debian Wheezy contains Python 2.7 (default), 3.2
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05:55<@themill>kiranos: /usr/bin/python has nothing to do with a "default Python". It is Python 2 by definition.
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05:57<@themill>(and that is a definition that every distribution agrees on including the python developers up until arch decided that breaking everyone else's world was fun)
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05:59<desafder>SynrGy: many thanks very much I'll try understand why nano replaced vi . having 4 fingers only i found it made my life hard for a while
06:01<@themill>desafder: that's the sort of default that you can change for yourself either system wide or for your own user
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06:02<@themill>(and the summary is basically: if you know how to use vim or emacs then you can install it yourself; if you don't know how, then you'd probably prefer nano)
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06:05<desafder>themill: i know i can change things in debian . but having to use 2 finger can not be considered technically superior to 1 fingers so before i invest more in debian i 'd like to understand ho make those decisions
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06:07<@themill>umm.. yeah. Priorities.
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06:17<SynrGy>desafder: i think 'usable at all' is an overridding concern to 'efficient to use'
06:18<SynrGy>but this is off-topic to discuss here. i'm sure if you search the list archives, you'll find where the decision to make nano default was made (years ago)
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06:20<SynrGy>the average new user of debian would find vi unusable. the support costs of making this the default are very high. with nano, at least basic editing tasks are possible without any prior training with the software. a skilled sys admin can change the default to whatever they prefer.
06:21<SynrGy>debating this decision is off-topic for this channel. as i said, search the mailing lists if you really want to know more.
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06:21<desafder>SynrGy: usuability is very relative that's why to the decision process first
06:22<SynrGy>can we take it to #debian-offtopic, please?
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07:37<lids>o/
07:39*lids gives fdisk -l & prints 'Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary' what on hell goes wrong?
07:41<lids>system works on sda1/2/5/6. Message means sda5/swap on it?
07:41<SynrGy>it is not optimal. it's not fatal, though
07:42<SynrGy>google the error text and the first hit gives a good explanation (equally applicable to debian): http://askubuntu.com/questions/156994/partition-does-not-start-on-physical-sector-boundary
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07:42<lids>SynrGy: I hate google :P
07:42<lids>ok lets take a look
07:42<SynrGy>hate it all you want. it has the answer :)
07:43<SynrGy>i say "google" loosely. duckduckgo gives this same article as the first hit
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07:44<SynrGy>read it as "use the search engine you prefer" (But that's a lot of words ;)
07:44<lids>google/bing has the answer because it has the problem..
07:44<lids>ha :D
07:45<lids>SyncGy: excuse my redirection here but did you try unbubble/yacy?
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07:47<SynrGy>lids: am i supposed to know what those are?
07:47<SynrGy>i remember no conversations about these
07:47<SynrGy>a case of mistaken identity?
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07:54<lids>SynrGy: yacy=decentralized search engine project (peer-to-peer), like SaaS ddg/metager/startpage. Excuse me for off-topic
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07:56<SynrGy>oh. this is related, ok :)
07:57<SynrGy>so you dislike even the centralized model of ddg
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07:57<SynrGy>no. i'm lazy, and just enough disinterested in the privacy implications that i just use google :)
07:57<SynrGy>maybe if i were a political dissident i'd feel different
07:57<SynrGy>differently*
07:58<SynrGy>but yay for p2p search engines :) hope it gains traction
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07:58<SynrGy>(i know i should care more, but don't feel guilty enough about not caring to do anything about it)
07:59<SynrGy>lids: oh, and there's #debian-offtopic if we really want to continue this :)
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08:01<lids>SynrGy: no prob, neither poitical dissident for myself (maybe it should), but I want just to make more ethical desicions.
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08:06<SynrGy>lids: sure. that's noble
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08:09<lids>SynrGy: thx maybe I'll ignore this bug for now on and use lsblk for a while
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08:10<lids>just worried about swap/if doesn't work
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08:19<SynrGy>lids: as i said, i think it may have a (negligible, from what i've read) effect on efficiency, but nothing more.
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11:32<Tubber>hello can I do "algorithm => lookup('rndc_key.algorithm')," directly in the node manifest?
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11:32<Tubber>or how can I do it
11:34<Tubber>ops wrong ch
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13:07<maggo>Hello. I just installed debian with gnome and it comes with a lot of extras like games and such that I do not want. I went to the synaptic package manage and tried to uninstall one of them (aisleriot) and it says to be removed gnome and gnome games. Does this mean it will uninstall my entire DE? If so is there a way to get rid of some of these gnome extras without losing my DE?
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13:18<taran>So I partially overwrote the file partition my kernel was on. Luckily my home folder was on a different partition, and I'm backing it up now. My question is, can I reinstall debian to use my old /home partition, so that I doen't have reinstall my user files?
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13:34<Vyrus001_>wtf? http://pastebin.com/raw/V6jhsznC
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13:36<linurc>Hey all, I am just getting started understanding development with the linux kernel and I'm trying to figure out what config setting to use for an encrypted LVM setup with Debian Jessie. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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13:36<anonymous>hi
13:37<anonymous>i need help
13:37<danielsh>what with ?
13:37<anonymous>i have not username
13:38<danielsh>here on IRC ?
13:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 639] by debhelper
13:38<danielsh>or where ?
13:38<anonymous>listen ... i need username ... this is demo
13:39<danielsh>demo ?
13:39<anonymous>yes
13:39<anonymous>my friend have username in anonymous
13:40<anonymous>and i wont too
13:40<danielsh>I don't understand, sorry.
13:41<anonymous>excus me i know english litlle
13:41<anonymous>do you know russian ??
13:41<danielsh>!ru
13:41<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
13:41<danielsh>I don't, but others do ^
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13:42<danielsh>By the way, the factoid has a typo, hasn't it? It spells the channel name differently
13:42<lids>danielsh payehali!
13:42<lids>;)
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13:44<anonymous_>who can help me??
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13:45<SynrGy>!ask
13:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:45<SynrGy>oh, i see, you asked your question above. my apology
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13:45<anonymous__>??
13:45<SynrGy>this does not seem to be a debian support question.
13:46<anonymous__>i don understand you
13:46<SynrGy>do you use debian?
13:46<anonymous__>no
13:46<anonymous__>what it is.>?/
13:46<SynrGy>this is for debian support. you are in the wrong channel
13:46<SynrGy>sorry
13:47<SynrGy>www.debian.org
13:47<anonymous__>debian is russian chanal ???
13:47<SynrGy>no.
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13:48<linurc>SynrGy or danielsh: Did you perhaps see my question about building a linux kernel version that works with an encrypted LVM?
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13:48<danielsh>linurc, No, I think it was before I /joined ?
13:49<SynrGy>i didn't know you needed a different kernel for that.
13:49<linurc>> Hey all, I am just getting started understanding development with the linux kernel and I'm trying to figure out what config setting to use for an encrypted LVM setup with Debian Jessie. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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13:49<SynrGy>the debian installer has an option to set up encrypted lvm. i believe it uses the standard kernel
13:50<SynrGy>https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html
13:50<linurc>I'm trying to build it from source to understand more about the kernel but I cannot get it to boot yet since my computer is running a version with the encrypted LVM option.
13:51<linurc>I can still use the computer fine with the built-in Linux kernel installed by Debian, but I'm trying to set it up to be able to experiment with some things.
13:51<SynrGy>so it has encrypted partitions?
13:51<linurc>Yes.
13:51<danielsh>does your built-in kernel have a /proc/config(.gz) ?
13:51<SynrGy>as i said, i don't think debian needs a special kernel for this.
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13:52<anonymous__>i fogot this site
13:52<linurc>SynrGy: Okay. Perhaps that isn't the issue then. The error was that it couldn't load root into the block (0,0). I was assuming that meant it couldn't decrypt the volume.
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13:53<danielsh>linurc, For starters how are you building the kernel?
13:53<danielsh>Do you use upstream's tarballs or the debian package?
13:53<anonymous__>synrgy ???
13:53<anonymous__> i fogot this site
13:54<elcot>hi'
13:54<linurc>I was using the master branch from GitHub.
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13:54<SynrGy>anonymous__: Debian is https://www.debian.org/
13:54<danielsh>elcot, hi
13:54<linurc>Perhaps, I should try a more stable version and see if that's the issue.
13:54<anonymous__>thank
13:54<SynrGy>anonymous__: but since you don't use Debian, i don't think this will help you solve your problem.
13:54<danielsh>linurc, +1
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13:55<linurc>danielsh: Thanks.
13:57<danielsh>np
13:58<Vyrus001_>ok wha tthe hell, ive installed golang lke 15 times now, the binary isnt installed
13:58<Vyrus001_>how do i make debian install something from scratch
13:58<Vyrus001_>it keeps missing parts
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13:59<anonymous__>synrgy please dont be angry
13:59<anonymous__>listen
13:59<peter1138>golang-go
13:59-!-taran is now known as lambda-11235
13:59<anonymous__>it is demo accoung
13:59<anonymous__>accound
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14:00<anonymous__>becouse its pass is ANON
14:00<anonymous__>i need username
14:00<Vyrus001_>peter1138: its installed, i still don thave a go binary in mypath
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14:01<Vyrus001_>cvincent@hawk:~$ sudo apt-get install golang-go
14:01<Vyrus001_>Reading package lists... Done
14:01<Vyrus001_>Building dependency tree
14:01<Vyrus001_>Reading state information... Done
14:01<Vyrus001_>golang-go is already the newest version (2:1.7~1).
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14:01<anonymous__>where is russian chanal
14:01<anonymous__>??
14:01<Vyrus001_>shit, my bad,
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14:01<Vyrus001_>anyway yea, installed golang like litteraly 16 ish times now, there is no go compiler, ther eis no go binary, no nothing, lots of things missing
14:01<Vyrus001_>this makes no sense
14:01<peter1138>hash -r
14:02<linurc>anonymous__: Are you trying to find help with IRC?
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14:14<bhasdemi>hi, ALT+left mouse button to move windows in gnome-shell doesn't seem to work. Can I enable it in Debian 8?
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14:17<lambda-11235>So, I partially overwrote the file partition my kernel was on. Luckily my home folder was on a different partition, and I'm backing it up now. My question is, can I reinstall debian to use my old /home partition, so that I doen't have reinstall my user files?
14:18<danielsh>yes
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14:22<cra1g321>just tell the installer to use the partition as /home, but not to format it
14:22<lambda-11235>cra1g321: Ok, thanks.
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14:22<cra1g321>do a external backup either way :)
14:23<lambda-11235>cra1g321: Already done. :)
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14:57<maggo>Not sure if I'm am in the correct channel for this. But, I am having a problem with one of my gpus. I', on a Asus GS551 laptop and it has a intel integrated gpu )which works fine) and an nvidia geforce gtx 960m which debian is not detecting (cont)
14:57<maggo>lspci shows 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 139b (rev ff)
14:57<maggo>and nvidia-detect say no nvidia gpus found
14:58<maggo>I installed bumblebee and cannot find out how to make it see my nvidia or install the correct nvidia driver
14:58<mtn>maggo: did you read the debian wiki on nvidia?
14:59<maggo>I did
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14:59<maggo>I cannot get past the identification step because it does not show
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15:00<maggo>I have my dpkg for nvidia if that will help
15:01<maggo>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191207/my-graphic-card-is-not-recognized-on-laptop-debian this guy had the same problem and the response he got did not fix my issue
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15:06<anonymous>hi
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15:17<rdo>root@scw:~# dpkg --configure -a
15:17<rdo>Setting up libglib2.0-0:armhf (2.48.1-3) ...
15:17<rdo>Runs forever on a Debian testing system.
15:17<rdo>Platform is armhf. Is anybody else seeing this?
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15:18<rdo>is there a good way to diagnose?
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15:39<farar>where can i learn bash?
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16:03<brlancer>I'm running Deb stable in a Virtualbox instance -- sometimes, I will paste something (usually w/ middle-click) and it's something I copied weeks or months ago, not what I should have in my buffer. Any idea where that might be getting stored? Is it a vbox bug or in xorg or something else?
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16:10<lindi->brlancer: there are 11 different 'clipboards'
16:10<lindi->brlancer: you can see what each contains using e.g. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/xcutselprint
16:11<lindi->brlancer: my personal solution is to only use the 'clipboard clipboard' with Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V and never middle-click
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16:14<brlancer>lindi-: I work in terminals where ctrl-[cv] isn't available
16:14<lindi->brlancer: at least in gnome-terminal you can use ctrl-shift-C
16:14<brlancer>and as this was working for about 15 years, I want to know why I'm suddenly pasting things from months ago
16:14<lindi->brlancer: if you want to debug things then use the script I wrote :)
16:15<brlancer>yeah, I'm installing those now
16:15<brlancer>I've never heard of 11 clipboards, only the two
16:16<lindi->brlancer: primary selection, secondary selection, clipboard and 8 cut buffers
16:16<lindi->brlancer: for example xterm uses cut buffers where you can have really old stuff persist for a long time
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16:19<diego_>hello after last update (on osmc, debian jessie derived) I have package libc-bin in halF-configured state; output of apt-get update is here https://nopaste.me/view/2c080410 and output of dpkg --configure -a is here https://nopaste.me/view/94371bc6 how can i fix it?
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16:24<LunaSela>diego_: probably its better to ask at osmc. Debian derived is not debian. But there seems to be a missing file somewhere
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16:43<stelios>hello
16:44<stelios>anyone knows how i can fix a battery issue on my debian laptop
16:44<stelios>the % of battery is only updated when i remove the charger from the laptop
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16:52<brlancer>lindi-: I think my issue is pidgin and a cut buffer - thanks for the help
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17:37<r0bot_>hi guys, can anyone tell me if he has installed debian
17:37<r0bot_>on the new macbook air 2015
17:37<r0bot_>8 gig model
17:38<r0bot_>and is everything working as the model is not shown in the wiki
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18:22<mengy007>hello
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18:30<computermouth>hi mengy
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18:52<maggo>anyone know of a gui usb image writer for debian? My google skills are failing me.
18:52<lyjia>disks tool
18:55<maggo>disks-tool cannot be located I also do not see that in synaptic
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18:56<maggo>disks tool
18:56<maggo>mt
18:56<lyjia>i dont know if it comes with debian, but it ships with both mint and ubuntu
18:57<lyjia>gnome-disks maybe?
18:58<lyjia>apt-get install gnome-disk-utility
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18:59<lyjia>Anyone here any good at troubleshooting serial port problems? Getting no Rx on a peculiar jessie setup
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19:07<skrillex>Hola!
19:07<gator>hello
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19:08<skrillex>Where are you from?
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19:09<gator>the fine state of Illinois
19:09<rtrt>CVE-2016-5696
19:09<gator>how about yourself
19:10<skrillex>?
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19:11<rtrt>it has been three weeks, why is there no update? furthermore, why has there not been any word as to the delay?
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19:13<@themill>rtrt: It is fixed in git; because they are so disruptive, kernel updates are grouped together rather than released one at a time.
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19:15<rtrt>well, that is *an* explanation
19:15<rtrt>thanks
19:16<rtrt>but, eh. that vuln is kinda hair-on-fire
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19:19<@themill>hardly... I know of no distribution that has rushed to fix it (CVE assigned 10 weeks ago, fixed in ubuntu last week, fixed in debian nextish week, mitigation is easy enough)
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19:19<rtrt>and ubuntu was fixed within a few days
19:20<@themill>not according to their own security tracker
19:20<rtrt>following torvalds commit
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19:22<rtrt>Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr): released (3.13.0-95.142)
19:22<lyjia>if its a kernel fix why not build your own from upstream?
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19:27<rtrt>lyjia, are we running gentoo? no
19:28<lyjia>https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources
19:28<lyjia>just sayin'
19:28<rtrt>I was asking why there still is no fix and how come there has been no word on the delay. that vuln is nasty and comes close to trashing tor
19:28<rtrt>but thank you for your suggestion
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19:45<ryouma>what is hair on fire about it?
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21:20<Colloguy>can someone point me to instructions for installing debian into an existing LVM?
21:20<Colloguy>https://blog.hartwork.org/?p=1757 seems out of date: commands like "anna-install cryptsetup" don't work.
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21:21<cra1g321>"2012-05-30" seems you're correct
21:22<cra1g321>following a random blog post from 4 years ago likley wont end well
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21:28<computermouth>Isn't lvm an option built into the installer now, during the disk provisioning portion?
21:31<bremner>not clear how well it deals with existing lvm
21:33<Colloguy>it doesn't seem to recognize an existing encrypted lvm
21:34<computermouth>that, I've never tried, but as long as it asks for the passphrase, and you select to not erase the volume, that should do it, right?
21:34<computermouth>was the existing lvm a prior Debian-created LVM?
21:34<Colloguy>yes
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21:38<cra1g321>backup before you do anything
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21:39<Colloguy>already backed up
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21:41<Colloguy>I'm not even sure where I get a password prompt to decrypt an existing encrypted partition (currently in debian-stretch installer, manual partitioning)
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23:14<dr4cula>h'
23:14<dr4cula>are u here anyone ?
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