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01:17<asus>lol
01:17<asus>haloooooo je tu nekdo
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01:19<s3a>Apparently, according to a search, I got a (wsf) file that is a virus. Here are the contents of the (wsf) file when I open it with a text editor (called mousepad).: http://pastebin.com/vwW1220W
01:19<s3a>I opened that file with chromium (as a regular user). Is my system compromised?
01:19<s3a>Should I reinstall?
01:20<s3a>For what it's worth, ls -la says the file is -rw-r--r-- 1.
01:22<s3a>Does the fact that I have (1) the latest chromium security updates, (2) chromium's sandboxing and (3) not run this as root mean that I am safe?
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01:22<s3a>(I'm assuming chromium has sandboxing without me doing anything manually.)
01:22<somiaj>s3a: was this virus made for linux machines or windows machines?
01:23<s3a>somiaj, I don't know, but I suspect Windows. I scanned my ~/.wine directory, just in case.
01:23<somiaj>s3a: yes chromium sandboxes and as a regular user unless it uses an exploit it can't write to system files.
01:24<somiaj>s3a: you could regenrate all your users data by creating a new user and santisizing what you copy over if you feel comfortable no system files were touched. Though if the virus was for windows I don't think it can do much.
01:25<s3a>Wait, let's say that there is no security bug (just assume it :P), could this virus do anything damage?
01:25<s3a>no security bug to exploit*
01:26<s3a>any damage*
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01:27<s3a>somiaj,
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01:27<somiaj>s3a: in theory it could run any custom script/program with the permissions of your user. I'm unsure how much of the barrier the chormium sandbox is, so can't say what it does to keep things contained.
01:28<somiaj>s3a: so your system could be fine, but it could say run a key loger and reporter as your user.
01:31<s3a>somiaj, According to this ( https://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/sandbox/Sandbox-FAQ ), "the sandbox limits the severity of bugs in code running inside the sandbox. Such bugs cannot install persistent malware in the user's account (because writing to the filesystem is banned). Such bugs also cannot read and steal arbitrary files from the user's machine." So, assuming that there are no bugs (I'm using the latest security updates after all
01:31<s3a>), I should be safe, right? There should be no key logger or anything bad like that, right?
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01:33<s3a>somiaj, if "writing to the filesystem is banned", then there shouldn't be any keylogger, right?
01:33<somiaj>s3a: correct, it seems the sandbox prevents anything many thigns outside of memeory. blocking from the file system should be fine. Maybe restart the browser so it has fresh memory.
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01:36<s3a>somiaj, actually, before I go, if I entered the amazon website using chromium after the virus incident, but didn't type the password (since chromium remembers it), does that mean my amazon password could be compromised?
01:37<somiaj>s3a: I doubt it. I think the tabs are also isolated from each other.
01:39<s3a>somiaj, so how do the virus makers expect this virus to work? would I need to have some really outdated browser or something like that?
01:40<somiaj>s3a: but I'm no security expert, so only takes these as some random person on the internets thoughts.
01:40<somiaj>s3a: different ways. Lots of times people will just run something without thinking about it. Windows users download and install software all the time and just go through the motions when doing it.
01:41<s3a>somiaj, i'm not asking for a warranty. :)
01:41<s3a>somiaj, i clamscaned it and it said it's not a virus
01:41<somiaj>so the just play the numbers game. Others use exploits in common programs, i.e. write a script that gets your browser to download and runa file.
01:42<s3a>but the file that is runned has no filesystem access
01:42<somiaj>though I guess we are drifting from debian support. But assuming you are up to date you should be fine in debian.
01:42<s3a>somiaj, well, it wasn't completely unrelated. :)
01:42<somiaj>correct chromium now offers a layer of protection if you don't say 'yes download this file'
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01:43<s3a>as in downloading a file that the virus wants downloaded, not the virus itself?
01:43<s3a>(because I obviously downloaded the virus itself)
01:43<s3a>i misphrased that
01:44<s3a>ok, long story short, after a reboot, i should be fine, right? :P
01:44<s3a>somiaj,
01:44<s3a>sorry if I seem repetitive
01:44<s3a>i'm paranoid about security.
01:44<s3a>(as you may have noticed)
01:44<s3a>:P
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01:49<TobiX>s3a: "new ActiveXObject" - That JavaScript targets Windows Scripting Host, it's harmless on Linux
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01:51<s3a>TobiX, Thanks for letting me know. :)
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01:56<TobiX>s3a: Even after formatting, it doesn't make much sense: http://paste.debian.net/822948/ ...
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01:57<TobiX>It's obfuscated to confuse virus scanners, but I'm confident it's just a simple download&execute-tool to install "real" malware...
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02:00<Echoz>s3a: I'm gonna try it in a Windows XP virtual machine
02:01<s3a>Alright, lol. :P
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02:01<s3a>(but it's not necessary)
02:01<s3a>All I needed to know was that, even if it were a linux virus, I would be safe.
02:01<Echoz>I know, I just want to see what it does
02:02<s3a>Alright. :)
02:02<Echoz>it was the extension that was "wsf"?
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02:05<jm_>yes
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02:06<Echoz>seems it's a "windows script file"
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02:09<s3a>Echoz, yes, the extension was wsf. Sorry for the delayed response. I'm preparing to go to bed. I was supposed to go to bed a significant while ago, but I couldn't go to bed with this unresolved.
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02:10<Echoz>s3a: Oh man, I just got to work
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02:12<Echoz>s3a: A file called 98204897.exe is running, used 100% CPU, is now idle
02:12<Echoz>s3a: it was definitely not a linux virus, since it downloaded and ran a windows executable
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02:15<Echoz>let's see what happens when I reboot
02:15<s3a>Echoz, I'm curious. :)
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02:17<Echoz>nothing i can see, I'm going to check services and then do a virus scan
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02:18<Echoz>s3a: did you get the file with an email?
02:18<s3a>Echoz, yes.
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02:18<Echoz>s3a: I feel like it might be a crypto locker, but I don't see anything working so far
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02:19<s3a>Echoz, as in "pay us to unlock"?
02:19<Echoz>Yeah, encrypting all your files and then asking for money
02:20<s3a>Echoz, Just so you know, I'm leaving soon.
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02:20<Echoz>do you stay on irc? tmux or something like that
02:21<s3a>actually, i haven't used this type of chatting in a long time
02:21<s3a>i usually go to debian, or physics, math, etc if I go.
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02:21<s3a>or, less frequently, but still quite frequently, other FLOSS projects
02:22<Echoz>ah, i see. well what i meant was some way to always stay connected
02:22<Echoz>for example i run tmux on my mail server so i just ssh to it and attach to tmux :)
02:23<Echoz>and then I can scroll up to see what I've missed
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02:24<s3a>i'm not too sure what tmux is other than what i just read about it
02:24<Echoz>s3a: if you know screen, it's like that
02:24<s3a>i don't know that either, but wikipedia mentioned it :P
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02:25<s3a>i'm s8as8a on steam, if you want to keep in contact or something.
02:25<s3a>anyways, i'm falling apart now, and i should sleep
02:25<Echoz>basically you spawn shells in a daemon that you can connect and disconnect from, so even if your terminal dies you can still come back to it
02:26<Echoz>I will add you :)
02:26<s3a>alright. :)
02:26<s3a>thanks somiaj and Echoz for the help
02:26<s3a>and TobiX :)
02:26<s3a>bye, everyone
02:26<Echoz>goodbye :)
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03:05<anonymnous>i all
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03:09<MarkedOne>Hello, is there simple per process QoS? I want transmission (P2P client) to has the lowest priority in network communication. So it will use all remaining network bandwidth, but it will not block.
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03:14<harry7>Hello
03:14<harry7>I am new to debian
03:14<harry7>I wanted some help regarding installation
03:15<MarkedOne>harry7: What do you need?
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03:18<harry7>I installed Jesse
03:18<harry7>8.5 debian
03:18<harry7>and did some upgrade
03:18<harry7>now all my packages are gone :/
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03:18<jm_>try using enter key a bit less
03:18<jm_>how are they gone?
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03:20<harry7>I am sorry. I dont know. Initially there are no wifi drivers
03:20<harry7>then I saw some repos online and added them to sources list
03:21<harry7>then I did apt update and upgrade
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03:23<jm_>which tool did you use for that?
03:24<harry7>command line ..
03:25<jm_>yes exact command line
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03:26<harry7>apt get upgrade
03:26<jm_>in that case you will find what happened in /var/log/apt/history*
03:26<jm_>and in term* too
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03:27<harry7>I see ok thanks I will check that out :)
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03:28<jm_>put it on the paste site if you want help -- /msg dpkg paste
03:28<babybee>I want make debian installation USB, what soft to use for it under debian jesse ?
03:28<EmleyMoor>Your sources.list and files in sources.list.d may help too
03:28<jm_>!usb install
03:28<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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06:02<Echoz>babybee: /3
06:02<Echoz>damn hah
06:02<ach>^^
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06:03<Echoz>I guess I was going to say something 3 hours ago
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06:04<Guest458>Hey guys. Im have trouble with my keyboard on debian and ubuntu. The arrow keys and the p keys do not work for quite some time after i log in. This occurs in both gnome and unity and oenbox.
06:04<klando>Hi, I have a problem trying to create an account on alioth. «Erreur lors de la récupération de l'objet User.» (translate to «error while getting Uer object»)
06:06<Guest458>Forward slash and delete seem to have the same issue
06:07<Guest458>There is another issue where if i use cas locks the keyboard goes utterly mental until i hold left shift to fix it.
06:07<klando>answering myself: read the FAQ and add -guest
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06:09<ach>Guest458 syslog and also likeable dmesg to look if you not very new you should look out
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06:10<Guest458>ach Thanks man ill check them out and see if i can make sense of this
06:10<ach>also Guest458 linux store standard logs in /var/log.
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06:13<Guest458>http://pastebin.com/0MYpw0dp Here is what dmesg says.
06:13<Guest458>This issue goes away after roughly 20 mins
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06:20<ach>yeah i do not know to help you to get what in that case my public or offen first thought is about broken pin in or cable issue and it looks like old PC.
06:23<Guest458>Thanks ach. It's brand new. linux just does not seem to like it. wifi drivers have to be complied. It doesn't like my graphics card and now the feckin keyboard haha.
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06:57<harry7>Hello
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06:57<jm_>oh no he's back
06:58<harry7>I reinstalled debian Now I am facing problems with connecting ethernet with 802.1x now
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07:18<CQ>hello, how can I get the latest firefox under testing? it only has -esr ... jessie had it in backports.
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07:20<cra1g321>CQ, there is no firefox package for stretch, if you want it, you would have to install it from unstable
07:21<cra1g321>fi you have no reason to use a newer version if firefox-esr than i wouldn't bother and just use firefox-esr
07:21<cra1g321>of *
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07:30<anonymous>hi
07:32<anonymous>glibc security update? /msg dpkg libc6_bug | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.5; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
07:33<anonymous>hey
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07:36<anonymous>hi
07:36<anonymous>hi
07:36<anonymous>ihiih
07:36<anonymous>ih
07:36<anonymous>ih
07:36<anonymous>ihi
07:36<anonymous>hi
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07:36<jm_>cq: does the one from mdn not work?
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07:42<CQ>jm_ mdn? I thought all was part of debian proper now...
07:42<jm_>!mdn
07:42<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable.
07:43<jm_>CQ: it is, but for say stable, one can get it there
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07:43<cra1g321>jm_ the instructions on that page say about installing firefox from unstable repo for testing
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07:44<jm_>cra1g321: well there you go then
07:44<CQ>if I add unstable to my sources, will other packages be pulled from unstable as well?
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07:45<jm_>check what apt-cache policy says if you add it
07:46<danielsh>by default yes... you can configure apt_preferences(5) to avoi dthat
07:47<lostson>if you add the debian mozilla repo it will allow you to install the latest firefox the directions are very clear there
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07:47<cra1g321>lostson, he is on stretch, no package for stretch
07:47<jm_>would the version for jessie not work?
07:48<CQ>...and the -esr package doesn't even allow me to install addons... "<addon> cound not be installed because Firefox cannot modify the needed file" ...
07:48<lostson>stretch doesn't have the latest version ?
07:48<cra1g321>nope
07:48<cra1g321>no debian package or mozilla debian team package
07:48<lostson>well then ideally this question should be handled in #debian-next
07:48<jm_>cq: maybe check BTS/report a bug then
07:49<jm_>but yeah, continue in #debian-next if you're using testing
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09:38<Echoz>"anonymous@79.109.255.143" heh funny guy
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09:44<RequiemAeternam>Hi, when the data about new packages is updated it seems that /usr/lib/apt/method/http is running on root as a daemon to download new packages. How can I avoid it?
09:44<RequiemAeternam>My debian version is 8 (Jessie).
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09:46<peter1138>Don't update package data.
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09:49<RequiemAeternam>peter1138: This isn't a solution. I want to control when packages are installed and not be limited by the package data.
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09:52<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: It's not running as a daemon. You're calling it on the command line, right?
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09:53<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: Nope. If I update the repositories the next time I connect to the net it's running as a daemon.
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09:54<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: And upgrading packages all by it's choice.
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09:55<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: What commands are you running?
09:55<RequiemAeternam>petn-randal: Nothing.
09:55<RequiemAeternam>I update the repository links trough synaptic or apt-get update.
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09:56<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: I would count 'apt-get update' as running commands, FWIW.
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09:56<peter1138>You've probably installed an auto-updater at some point, which then runs when you go online.
09:57<RequiemAeternam>And it takes control of /methods/http ?
09:57<peter1138>That's just a program that runs as part of the update process.
09:57<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: If that happens automatically on network connection, you've either configured something to do so, or you're not running pure Debian.
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09:58<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: Idk. How can I find the thing that is running all this?
10:00<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: Did you install something like apticron, cron-apt or unattended-upgrades?
10:00<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: I don't think so.
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10:00<peter1138>It's easy to check.
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10:01<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: You can check with 'dpkg -l <package name>'
10:02<RequiemAeternam>But the last time I upgraded Debian packages sometimes comes up a window unrelated to synaptic who asks me to upgrade packages. Can be related?
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10:03<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: Which desktop environment are you running?
10:03<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: GNOME.
10:04<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: Maybe its gnome update manager?
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10:04<RequiemAeternam>petn-randall: It can be. ._.
10:04<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: Can you check if it's installed?
10:04<RequiemAeternam>How can I check?
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10:06<petn-randall>RequiemAeternam: Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy', run as root? → http://paste.debian.net
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10:14<Golfgeo>Hi all
10:16<Golfgeo>Got a question: Is the Testing ISO (netinstall and xfce version) broken? Getting a black screen when starting up with XFCE installed via tasksel...
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10:25<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell Golfgeo about testing installer
10:25<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell Golfgeo about debian-next
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10:26<Golfgeo>Oke, thanks :)
10:26<Golfgeo>dpkg stable->testing
10:26<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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10:27<Golfgeo>:)
10:28<Golfgeo>let's see, does any one know about this "direct ISO -> Testing" install issue? Will ask in debian-next if I can get in and no one knows about the issue
10:28<jmcnaught>Golfgeo: it's worth noting that sometimes testing isn't installable at all. i don't know if that's the case currently, but people would be more likely to know in #debian-next. You can also /msg the bot :)
10:28<jmcnaught>this channel is only for Debian Stable support
10:28<Golfgeo>uhu
10:29<Golfgeo>So, if someone does know they will not awnser, roght?
10:29<Golfgeo>*right
10:29<Golfgeo>Oh well, thanks for the hints and pointer to debian-next
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10:59<zathras>Are there any requirements for hosting a Angular2 app on a Debian Jessie box? (Apache)
11:01<zathras>(I prefer to use Debian components only, not manually built ones)
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11:21<ikus060>Hello, when unplugin a monitor from my laptop, nothing happen. (Xorg still display stuff to the screen). Any help to debug this a bit
11:21<ikus060>I've look into /var/log/Xorg.log and nothing interesting here
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11:51<petn-randall>ikus060: What DE are you using? Most DEs detect a monitor plug/unplug event via D-Bus and then act accordingly.
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11:55<ikus060>petn-randall: I'm using Debian Jessie with GnomeShell. Any way to debug the D-Bus ?
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12:00<somiaj>ikus060: when you unplug the monintor does the output of 'xrandr -q' change? i.e. does it at least say your monintor is unplugged?
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12:06<ikus060>The external monitor was plugged. I unpluged. Nothing happen for ~ 1min. Then I ran "xrandr -q". At the same time I ran the command line. The monitor are switched
12:06<ikus060>i.e. running the command line "xrandr -q" trigger the switch...
12:07<somiaj>hmm, not sure what is happening then and why it won't triger anything until you run xrandr. This is on debian stable?
12:08<ikus060>yes, Debian Jessie. Everything is up-to-date
12:09<ikus060>I know it's not the monitor, cause I have a second laptop (same model, same OS, etc.) and is behave as expected...
12:09<somiaj>my guess is some event is not trigering/being sent correctly. But I don't use the automatic stuff so no experience on what it could be.
12:10<somiaj>and running xrandr just happens to trigger the event that 'monintor changed'
12:11<lindi->ikus060: VGA or HDMI?
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12:14<Echoz>somiaj: and graphics card/drivers might be relevant as well
12:15<Echoz>since I run the same setup on my laptop and desktop and it works automatically on both
12:15<Echoz>one with intel+free drivers, and the other with nvidia+proprietary
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12:41<kondork>hey
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13:00<backbox>ok
13:01<backbox>give me a hacking tool for wimax modem
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13:01<Echoz>backbox: what kind of hacking?
13:02<Echoz>are WiMAX even modems, aren't they APs or AP+routers?
13:02<petn-randall>backbox: Are you here for hacking tips?
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13:02<petn-randall>backbox: Swing with your upper torso, not with the arms.
13:04<Echoz>backbox: If you want to crack 802.11i I guess aircrack-ng does that
13:04<Echoz>Which as far as I know is not in the debian repos
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13:06<Echoz>I'm guessing nobody uses 802.11 WEP anymore
13:06<backbox>i need the hacking tools for pass the protection on the modom
13:06<petn-randall>Echoz: 802.11 != 802.16
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13:07<petn-randall>backbox: Are you using Kali?
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13:07<backbox>frenxh are there ?
13:07<backbox>i am using back box
13:07<petn-randall>!backbox
13:07<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
13:07<petn-randall>backbox: ^^^ try asking there.
13:08<Echoz>I'm talking about 802.11i, which is WPA2, or WEP which is a part of the 802.11 standard
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13:08<Echoz>either way aircrack-ng seems to be in wheezy-backports and jessie and newer
13:08<petn-randall>Echoz: And backbox was talking about WiMAX, which has nothing to do with 802.11.
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13:09<petn-randall>Echoz: WiMAX = 802.16
13:09<Echoz>petn-randall: I see, I wasn't familiar with the name WiMAX, thought it was a brand name for some 802.11 access points
13:10<backbox>wimax=802.16 i am using the Huawei modem wimax wlan ,phone ports and lan ports
13:10<Echoz>WiMAX is something newer, huh?
13:11<petn-randall>backbox: Yes, but you have to ask in the channel of your distro. Backbox is not supported here.
13:12<backbox>ok sorry i am speaking bad english
13:12<backbox>where is supported
13:12<Echoz>What's WiMAX even used for? 802.11 seems to be faster and definitely more widespread
13:13<Echoz>What I gathered is that it has a longer range
13:16<backbox>yes
13:16<petn-randall>!tell backbox -about backbox
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13:18<Echoz>I guess my question is not appropriate here, but if you know could you answer me in #debian-offtopic or /msg
13:18<ikus060>lindi-: I experience this issue with VGA or DispayPort (I don't have HDMI)
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13:19<Echoz>ikus060: What graphics drivers? I use both of those interfaces with everything working automagically on my laptop with intel graphics
13:19<ikus060>Echoz: I'm running nvidia+proprietary. Take note, I have another laptop working perfectly with nvidia+proprietary
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13:20<Echoz>ikus060: Are you running the same version of the drivers?
13:20<ikus060>Echoz: lol, I was getting the info. Both are 340.96 (from debian repo)
13:21<Echoz>ikus060: I see. Have you tried it with free drivers or Windows?
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13:22<ikus060>Echoz: Win.. what ?
13:22<ikus060>Echoz: I didn't try with Windows or Free driver. I may give it a try...
13:23<ikus060>Echoz: Eaiser will be to track down the DBus message.
13:23<Echoz>ikus060: Well it wouldn't be crazy to assume the laptop came with Windows when you bought it :)
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13:24<Echoz>At least if it doesn't work with free drivers it's not a driver problem. I'd guess trying to fix an issue with proprietary drivers is not an easy task\
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13:28<arxi>Need to ask something before i go crazy. I am trying to dual boot Debian and windows on my windows 10 laptop. I shruk my windows parition and installed debian on a new partition on he free space from an USB. But what now? How do i install GRUB from windows? I dont know how to boot debian or get grub working from windows. Is this the right channel to ask or shouldi post somewhere else? Thanks!
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13:29<Echoz>arxi: Windows 10 probably boots with UEFI and possibly secureboot. I'd imagine to boot them both you'd need them both installed as UEFI
13:29<petn-randall>arxi: If you installed Debian the right way, it should install grub at the last step before rebooting.
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13:30<Echoz>If the grub installation didn't detect Windows, maybe os-prober will, otherwise you may have to look into a manual configuration of the boot loader
13:31<Echoz>Either way the safest way to do dual booting now is to use two separate storage devices, seeing as not everything uses MBR anymore
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13:32<arxi>Thanks both. I think they are both UEFI. I dont know if Grub was installed in the last step. I installed from the DVD1 image without any internet connection. Cant remember if grub was installed.
13:32<arxi>will look up os-prober, thanks!
13:33<s0yuz>just installed debian, seems that you have to manually change UEFI and legacy in bios everytime under windows 10. UEFI for w10 and Legacy for debian
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13:39<arxi>Im not sure how to even boot up the debian installation. Cant find a way in the ios config either.
13:39<arxi>what does "the safest way to do dual booting now is to use two separate storage devices, seeing as not everything uses MBR anymore" mean?
13:40<Echoz>arxi: If you have two hard drives you could use the boot menu in your BIOS to choose what OS you want to use
13:41<Echoz>arxi: simplifies things as you won't have to worry at all about messing up the other OS while changing things in one
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13:41<arxi>i ony have one harddrive, but two paritions (or 4 rather, counting boot and swap swap space etc)
13:42<arxi>maybe i will just try and install debian again and se of i get a grub promt in the end
13:42<Echoz>arxi: Don't make the mistake I did the other day, haha
13:42<s0yuz>Just trying to be helpful here, try switching between UEFI and Legacy
13:42<s0yuz>in your bios
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13:43<arxi>thanks s0yuz, will go to bios and look if i find the option.
13:43<Echoz>arxi: I was installing debian while almost falling asleep, and i hit enter at the grub prompt to see if it auto filled /dev/sda for me while choosing manual
13:43<Echoz>I accidentally hit enter again and messed up my USB installation drive :)
13:44<arxi>:)
13:44<Echoz>arxi: Do that, it should work if you have grub for Debian
13:44<Echoz>arxi: given that they can coexist on the same block device
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13:45<arxi>hope i dont screw anything up. will go to bios and mess around. thanks again guys!
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13:46<Echoz> /3
13:46<Echoz>dammit, second time today
13:50<petn-randall>s0yuz: Actually, that's the wrong way to do it. If your Windows 10 is installed in UEFI, do the same for Debian. Otherwise you have to switch back and forth all the time in the UEFI setup.
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13:51<petn-randall>I just hope arxi doesn't follow that advice, or they can reinstall their machine a 3rd time. :-/
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13:54<s0yuz>I could not choose whether to install under UEFI or not
13:54<s0yuz>or at least could not figure it out how to do it, still pretty new here
13:55<s0yuz>but.. that's how I do it,
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14:13<Echoz>s0yuz: I'm new to the UEFI thing myself. But I believe this has to be determined based on your disk structure. MBR and GPT partiton tables in particular.
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14:14<s0yuz>Echoz: right, I will look more into it. Thanks
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15:06<grawity>Echoz: not according to spec, but in reality certain manufacturers' firmwares are too "smart" and Windows itself is picky
15:07<grawity>other than that, all four combinations ought to work
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15:13<t4b>Did a new install of Debian Jessie, need to change kernel parameter, modified /etc/default/grub. But update-grub seems missing, command not found. Grub is definitely installed. Umm. Help?
15:14<mtn>t4b: doing it as root?
15:14<t4b>(or if Grub is not installed, then a suspiciously grub-like looking boot loader is installed :-) )
15:14<t4b>mtn: Yes.
15:15<mtn>t4b: put your command and output on dpaste.com and give us the link
15:15<somiaj>t4b: the binary is located at /usr/sbin/update-grub and is part of the grub2-common package on my system.
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15:15<t4b>mtn: Oh, wait, sorry. When I was working from the install command prompt I failed as root (strange too?). Now I tried using sudo and it was sudo which wasn't installed.
15:16<mtn>t4b: that makes more sense.
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15:16<t4b>Thanks anyway. :-)
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15:30<ivan89|2>всем привет!!
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15:33<lostson>!ru
15:33<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:33<t4b>I installed from DVD without network. This left me with a fucked up sources.list (so after configuring network, it won't work). Is this considered a bug?
15:35<lostson>what does your sources list have in it ?
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15:36<somiaj>t4b: no, the sources.list should only give you access to the dvd you installed from. Just update the sources.list for internet sources now that you have internet.
15:36<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
15:36<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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15:38<t4b>somiaj: Thanks. Then it was okay.
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15:40<somiaj>t4b: correct, giving internet sources when you don't have the internet would have been the bug to me. (:
15:41<t4b>somiaj: Yeah, I guess. Although listing the DVD entries, after the DVD was removed is also a little strange. ;-)
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15:47<somiaj>t4b: apt builds a database from the sources.list, and then uses the database to figure things out. This even affects internet sources if they change (more so in testing/unstable) and why you need to run apt-get update to regenerate the database
15:48<ivan89|2>prompt the program for transcoding video and music ?
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15:51<koren>hi
15:53<somiaj>ivan89|2: mencoder may work, usnure of what newer programs are out there though.
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16:05<ivan89|2>goodbye
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16:28<ikus060>Hello Again, I'm having issue with monitor switching when plugin or unpligin monitor. So far, It seams Dbus message are not send at all (I don't see anything in dbus-monitor)
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16:29<eltnas>hi
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16:34<jhutchins>ikus060: What interface? VGA?
16:34<ikus060>jhutchins: VGA or DisplayPort does the same.
16:35<ikus060>jhutchins: running "xrandr -q" in command line trigger the changes.
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16:35<ikus060>jhutchins: but just plugin or unplugin does nothing. According to some documentation. All of this is manages using DBus. I see nothing relevent in DBus
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16:37<grawity>this isn't managed using DBus
16:37<grawity>it might have been back in the days of hal
16:37<jhutchins>ikus060: iirc it depends on what the monitor sends when it's connected. If it doesn't send anything, dbus doesn't know.
16:38<ikus060>grawity: really, cause I have another laptop (behaving ok) and alot of stuff goes on when plugin/unplugin a monitor
16:38<grawity>like what
16:39<ikus060>http://pastebin.com/mKChFFwE
16:39<somiaj>isn't it udev that detects these changes, and then udev might send a signal over dbus? I always get lost wich layer is doing what.
16:40<ikus060>I'm too
16:40<grawity>what you're seeing on DBus there is just the reaction
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16:41<grawity>the initial events are sent via, I'm not sure, either as uevents (from kernel through udev to Xorg) or maybe as some KMS-specific stuff (from kernel to Xorg)
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16:42*grawity checks source
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16:43<grawity>then Xorg reports them via xrandr to WM (or some other DE component), which again uses xrandr to enable the new outputs
16:45<ikus060>grawity: it's not very specific. I didn't see anything relevent in /var/log/Xorg.log or /var/log/syslog (on theworking machine)
16:45<grawity>and DBus – DBus doesn't "know" anything at all; it only carries the communications
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16:45<grawity>do you see anything in dmesg, maybe?
16:45<ikus060>I don't see anything related to plug or unplug event, again, I just seethe result (changes in resolution)
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16:46<ikus060>grawity: Not a single line is added to dmesg when plugin and unpluging
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16:47<grawity>what if you boot with drm.debug=0x7
16:47<ikus060>I may need to inccrease verbosity somewhere but all the layer are very confusing for me
16:47<grawity>actually, are you using the opensource video drivers or?
16:48<ikus060>I'm using nvidia proprietary driver (on both laptop)
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16:58<ikus060>grawity: not a single line is added to dmesg output when plugin/unplugin a monitor with "drm.debug=7"
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17:29<LeLutin>I've just upgraded a workstation here from wheezy to jessie and gdm3 is showing only time and date, but no login option (e.g. no user list, no "other user? click here" link). any ideas where I could find clues about this?
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17:31<ikus060>LeLutin: you need to swipe the screen up
17:31<ikus060>LeLutin: click drag the screen up
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17:34<LeLutin>ikus060: that doesn't move the screen like it should. also normally typing on the keyboard should have the same effect, but the screen doesn't change
17:34<ikus060>LeLutin: no idea then
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17:36<CutMeOwnThroat>maybe just use a different *dm for now?
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17:36<LeLutin>hmm I'm seeing this in /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log: (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:4228): Gdk-WARNING **: polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1: Fatal IO error 11 (Ressource temporairement non disponible) on X server :0.
17:36<LeLutin>it says /Resource temporarily unavailable)
17:37*LeLutin wonders if some dbus element is missing
17:37<CutMeOwnThroat>have you rebooted another time?
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17:38<CutMeOwnThroat>if not, maybe it's just a one-time hiccup
17:39<LeLutin>let me see
17:40<LeLutin>I've restarted gdm3 but not sure about rebooting. I'll see if it changes something
17:40<CutMeOwnThroat>well, anything better than debugging polkit stuff
17:41<LeLutin>ooooh. interesting. I might have seen something pass by during boot. it said something about not being able to mount /home (homes are mounted with nfs here)
17:42<LeLutin>hmm nope. the mount is there all right, just systemd freaking out during boot time
17:44<LeLutin>users all have uids 10k+ I had read something about making sure /etc/login.defs is allowing users higher than 9999. I changed that and restarted gdm3 but users weren't showing either :\
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17:46<CutMeOwnThroat>duh. didn't know there was an UID_MAX… it's set to 60000 anyway
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17:47<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, did you delete/move the log with the error message before booting and did it re-appear?
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17:49<LeLutin>CutMeOwnThroat: the log files in /var/log/gdm3 have not been changed since at least 10h from now
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17:55<CutMeOwnThroat>oh, seems I'm using the lightdm greeter here
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17:58<CutMeOwnThroat>you could see if there's anything unusual with systemctl status gdm3
17:59<CutMeOwnThroat>probably not
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18:19<LeLutin>CutMeOwnThroat: I can see something with journalctl -u gdm.session I think. there's one error that is output in red (probably stderr output): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL: g_dbus_connection_call_internal: assertion 'object_path != NULL && g_variant_is_object_path
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18:23<LeLutin>CutMeOwnThroat: is there an easy way to see if config files of a package have been manually changed? I'm wondering if something stinky is happening with gdm PAM files
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18:27<CutMeOwnThroat>that error message isn't very enlightening
18:27<CutMeOwnThroat>mh, don't know about seeing if config is changed… possibly
18:28<CutMeOwnThroat>there is debsums, but I don't think for config files
18:28<CutMeOwnThroat>else there is
18:28<CutMeOwnThroat>dpkg, confmiss
18:28<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
18:30<LeLutin>hmm I have a /etc/pam.d/gdm3 and "dpkg --status gdm3" says this config file is obsolete
18:36*LeLutin mystified.. I'm not sure if the upgrade from wheezy to jessie might have left some cruft behind, or whether it's something that's pushed by our puppetmaster that is outdated :| maybe I should try a fresh jessie install and run puppet to see if it's reproducing
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18:56<CutMeOwnThroat>upgrades always ask you if you want to use the new config files or keep your old (and possibly hand-written) ones
18:56<CutMeOwnThroat>so yes, depending on your answer(s), you can have wheezy config files after an upgrade
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19:06<LeLutin>CutMeOwnThroat: ah! I've run pam-auth-update --force to reset common-* files in pam.d and now I get a user list with local users (a line with pam_systemd.so was added in common-session)
19:07<LeLutin>but it's not listing ldap users. I guess that's my bug then
19:10<LeLutin>ah! fixed. I had disabled ldap in /etc/libnss-ldap.conf for testing. the lines that were added by pam-auth-update --force seem to have fixed my issue
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19:14<CutMeOwnThroat>\o/
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