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01:15<astronut>If I add a wifi network via nm con add ...., will it auto-connect the next time it's seen if no other known network is present?
01:15<astronut>nmcli*
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01:19<astronut>ah, looks like it's controlled by connection.autoconnect
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01:33<KindOne_>immortal on
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02:06<somiaj>astronut: it should, nmcli vs the applet should do the same, once nm knows about the network there is a config option to trigger connect automatiically
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02:19<danielsh>how can I tell in a script what versions of a package are availabl?
02:19<danielsh>i.e., what's a parseable variant of 'apt-cache policy'?
02:21<grummund>danielsh: apt-cache madison foo ?
02:25<danielsh>grummund, Just what I need, I think. (I checked that accepts both binary package names and source package names.)
02:25<danielsh>grummund, thanks
02:27<grummund>np. so i have a question too :p
02:27<grummund>Browsing in /etc/default/..., it seems these are not contrained to boot scripts alone. Is there policy/guidance on what belongs in /etc/default and what deserves its own /etc/foo config?
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02:30<jm_>/etc/default is mentioned here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-writing-init
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02:33<grummund>in the context of init.d scripts yes
02:35<grummund>/etc/default/useradd for example
02:36<danielsh>grummund, what's the context of your question?
02:36<jm_>I think it's the same idea as for init scripts
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02:37<grummund>writing a helper script that needs some 'defaults', should these ideally be contained in /etc/my_script or /etc/default/my_script ?
02:38<grummund>danielsh: that's why i was looking for policy ^
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02:39<danielsh>grummund, My intuition is that /etc/default/foo is config for the init script and /etc/foo config for the app (however it's started).
02:39<danielsh>grummund, Not sure what policy has to say though.
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02:39<somiaj>grummund: any reason you don't just use systemd unit file? What version of debian are you running?
02:40<grummund>somiaj: because it's not a init.d script
02:40<somiaj>grummund: /etc/default is slowly being phased out I think with systemd. Most of the defaults are stuff used by init.d scripts.
02:41<somiaj>at least that is what I vagually recall seeing
02:41<grummund>ok and then what will happen to things like /etc/default/useradd ?
02:41<jm_>nothing?
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02:42<somiaj>grummund: I think what I recall reading is retained to service defaults stored there.
02:44<grummund>/etc/default/grub is another clear example
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02:49<grummund>also /etc/default/keyboard
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02:52<somiaj>the only policy I'm finding is in regards to init.d scripts so far
02:54<grummund>yep, hence the question ;-) for me it seems there are enough precedents to put my defaults there
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02:56<somiaj>grummund: I think this is what I was reading, just someones opion on /etc/default, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
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02:57<jm_>"someone"
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02:58<somiaj>grummund: if it is just peronsal stuff put it where you want, if you are coruious about debian policy/packing maybe #debian-mentors will have better answers. In my google search of the policy docs only thing I find about /etc/default/ talks about init.d scripts
03:00<somiaj>The one thing I did see in the policy was the file is to only have configuration variables and be sourced from the actual script.
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03:01<grummund>yeah it's just a couple of variables to be sourced
03:02<grummund>the script will generally be called as a kernel post-install hook
03:03<grummund>basically to keep the system bootable (not using grub)
03:04<grummund>to mind, the sourceable config could go in /boot/foo or /etc/default/foo
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03:52<ivan>I have this problem where I have to restart X about every 2 days or the mouse movement starts getting choppy and Xorg starts using more than usual amounts of CPU, I am running stretch. Any idea what the cause might be?
03:52<ivan>Video is intel, on a thinkpad t430
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03:58<jm_>for testing try #debian-next
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04:50<jg46nfv>hi anyone know how to install debian 8 onto an external hdd
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04:54<Echoz>jg46nfv: just like you would install it on any other hard drive, just make sure you choose the right one to install to
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04:55<jg46nfv>i've tried a few times now but I always get a blinking cursor when I go to boot it after installing
04:56<jm_>might be a boot loader/BIOS issue too
04:56<Echoz>jg46nfv: at the end of the installation, did you choose to install GRUB to the same disk as you installed the OS on?
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04:57<jg46nfv>yeah I chose the external hdd to install GRUB to
04:58<jm_>on its MBR I hope
04:58<jg46nfv>uhh
04:59<jg46nfv>it recognized windows on my internal drive so I selected no
04:59<jm_>ok then it won't work
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07:27<t4b>I wonder how it's possible for a package (apwal) to be in stable and unstable in the same version, but not in testing?
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07:30<danielsh>https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=apwal
07:30<jm_>there used to be why is foo not in testing page, but it's gone, but look through bug reports and you'll find the reason
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07:31<jm_>that seems to be somewhat similar page, thanks
07:31<danielsh>for future reference t4b you can find that information via https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/apwal
07:33<t4b>Thanks.
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07:43<t4b>Seems that package was abandoned. Doesn't work too great either. Pity, the idea behind it is so good...
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08:57<Wind>Hey!
08:58<Wind>Just one quick question
08:58<Wind>Does chkconfig starts the program as non root?
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09:13<jhutchins>Wind: Depends on the program. chkconfig is actually a script that calls the debian management tools for compatibility with RedHat.
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09:14<jhutchins>Wind: You should probably be reading the docs for systemd and how it launches programs.
09:14<Wind>nice
09:14<Wind>su -s /bin/sh -c "/usr/bin/syncthing" syncthing
09:14<petn-randall>Wind: chkconfig doesn't start anything, it changes symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/. You need to run it as root though to work.
09:14<Wind>I was wondering if it is necessary to do something like the abovew
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09:16<petn-randall>Wind: What are you trying to achieve?
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09:17<Wind>run the program syncthing as nonroot: The user is also syncthnig and it's shell is set as /sbin/nologin
09:18<petn-randall>Wind: So you're trying to run syncthing as a daemon? There's already a systemd unit file for that. Just run 'systemctl start syncthing', and you're done.
09:18<petn-randall>Wind: Also, which release are you running? syncthing isn't packaged for jessie.
09:19<Wind>I am actually using clearos
09:19<petn-randall>!clearos
09:19<petn-randall>Wind: In that case you'll have to ask their support how it works, this channel is dedicated to Debian.
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09:20<Wind>oh ok
09:20<Wind>I packed it form source
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09:21<Wind>Sorry about the trouble
09:21<Wind>i am new in this irc thing
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09:27<petn-randall>Wind: No problem. I've heard their IRC is at #clearfoundation on irc.freenode.net.
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09:29<frostie>why does qbittorrent and vlc have the windows 95 look in debian 8.5 jessie x64?
09:30<frostie>in the xfce dekstop env. ?
09:30<musca>depends on the window manager, i think
09:30<petn-randall>frostie: They follow the same theme you've configed in your window manager.
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09:32<frostie>no not here... i have try 3 themes but qbittorrent and vlc looks like windows 95 even with the standard theme in xfce, the menus in vlc and qbittorrent is windows 95 gui
09:34<petn-randall>frostie: On which release is this?
09:36<frostie>debian 8.5 jessie x64 with xfce 4.10
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09:53<lostson>frostie: install qt4-qtconfig package and then set it to follow gtk themes
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10:01<eric__>It is so quiet
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10:01<eric__>So, what's up?
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10:12<frostie>lostson thanks, it worked
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10:17<Guest582>hail hydra
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10:28<demetris>hi
10:28<demetris>i want to unload nvidia driver
10:28<demetris> sudo rmmod nvidia
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10:28<demetris>returns rmmod: ERROR: Module nvidia is in use
10:28<demetris>any help?
10:29<towo`>stop your $DM
10:29<Anarka>you need to exit X
10:29<demetris>oh
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10:34<Wind>how do i change the nick with a command?
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10:35<towo`>/nick newnick
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10:35<learnerwind>:) Thankyou
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10:40<pgimeno>I'm having a problem, I don't have any video output for the Linux virtual consoles. GRUB starts in graphics mode, and when booting, the screen says "Loading initial ramdisk..." and stays there all the time until X boots.
10:41<pgimeno>Any suggestions for how to fix this?
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10:41<pgimeno>(Also, switching to a virtual console from X with Ctrl+Alt+F1 brings up a blank screen)
10:42<pgimeno>If I boot in recovery mode, the GRUB loading screen doesn't go away at all.
10:44<pgimeno>The same setup worked with the same card in a different motherboard and CPU. After upgrading both, it stopped working.
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10:45<jhutchins>pgimeno: It sounds like the consoles aren't getting loaded by systemd.
10:45<jhutchins>pgimeno: What relase are you running?
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10:45<pgimeno>jhutchins: well, here's another data point: I can type blindly and it responds to what I type, so I think it's entirely a video issue. I'm running current stable.
10:46<pgimeno>Well, current as per two or three months ago.
10:48<jhutchins>pgimeno: Do you have any graphics configuration in grub?
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10:49<pgimeno>jhutchins: possibly, but that would be automatic. I can look it up if you tell me where to look. Is it /etc/default/grub? What would I be looking for?
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10:50<jhutchins>pgimeno: I'm not sure, just guessing at this point. If it's a default config I'm not sure what it configures for the boot process. All of my installs are based on fairly old systems that have been upgraded.
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10:51<pgimeno>ok, thank you anyway. I'll look into /etc/default/grub and see if there's something there.
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10:51<jhutchins>pgimeno: Try appending vga=normal to the boot command.
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10:53<jhutchins>pgimeno: Ah, or nomodeset. This will probably disable the GUI, so not a real solution.
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10:54<jhutchins>pgimeno: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#idp61404976
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11:01<pgimeno>jhutchins: thanks, I'm fiddling with /etc/default/grub now and nothing seems to work. Still on it.
11:02<jhutchins>pgimeno: Remember you have to run update-grub when you make changes. You can do test changes by just editing the command line at boot.
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11:16<pgimeno>jhutchins: thanks, yes I was remembering to do that. Nothing worked. I see the change to a textmode-like appearance when I use GRUB_TERMINAL=console, yet it doesn't look like regular text mode, more like emulation of text mode in graphics mode.
11:16<pgimeno>I've also tried vga=normal and it doesn't work either.
11:18<pgimeno>In console mode, I've tried to run videoinfo in the grub console and it showed nothing. In graphics mode, it showed a list of modes.
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11:19<pgimeno>I'm starting to suspect about something fishy with the video driver (the proprietary nVidia one). I guessed it was only used for X11 but I think it may also be used for booting for what I've found by googling.
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11:21<Guest582>where to start in linux?
11:21<Guest582>sad
11:22<pgimeno>trying this now: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
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11:39<dean-browne22><Guest582> I would definitely recommend checking out one of the live versions of debian. You can see what it's like without changing your system. Also check out Virtualbox where you can install a linux distro virtually from within your current os.
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12:03<jhutchins>pgimeno: I would expect that the issue is with the kernel module, not the video driver itself.
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12:11<turol>i have a computer with ssd and a bunch of hdd which i intend to put in raid6
12:11<turol>ssd will have root fs, raid will have home
12:11<turol>i also intend for all the raid disks to have a separate partition with a copy of the root fs
12:11<turol>so if the ssd fails i can pull it out and boot from one of the hdds
12:11<turol>is this actually possible?
12:11<grawity>yes
12:12<turol>also, uefi because 3tb drives
12:12<grawity>don't see how those are related, but ok
12:12<turol>because i have never used uefi before
12:12<turol>and there are apparently tricks with booting it
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12:12<grawity>it's gpt that is needed for large drives
12:12<grawity>but gpt doesn't require uefi, nor does uefi require gpt
12:12<turol>at the very least i'll need to disable secure boot
12:12<grawity>(well, assuming non-buggy firmware...)
12:12<turol>but can legacy bios boot from gpt drive?
12:13<grawity>yes
12:13<turol>that's a rather large assumption
12:13<grawity>legacy bios isn't supposed to care – it boots whatever code is in the 0th sector
12:13<grawity>all gpt drives have a "protective MBR" with no valid partitions, but you can still put BIOS bootcode in there
12:14<turol>are there some benefits for using uefi over bios?
12:14<turol>i don't need restricted boot
12:14<grawity>the boot process is a bit cleaner IMHO
12:14<grawity>no "option ROMs", no hiding parts of GRUB in the 'empty space' after MBR
12:15<grawity>then again, it depends on who made your UEFI
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12:15<turol>i think i'll try uefi first
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12:15<turol>this computer won't need dual boot but sometime in the future i'll probably have to set up some win/linux dual boots so i should practice it
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12:16<grawity>ah, if you do dual-boot Windows, then you *do* need to use specifically uefi+gpt (or bios+mbr)... Windows is picky in that regard
12:17<grawity>but yeah, dual-boot is somewhat easier with uefi too
12:17<turol>good to know
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12:47<pgimeno>I've given up for now. Nothing worked, nothing at all.
12:48<jhutchins>pgimeno: I think you just have to chalk it up to your hardware.
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12:49<pgimeno>yeah, it has worked with the previous motherboard
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13:08<pgimeno>well, thanks anyway for trying to help jhutchins
13:08<pgimeno>I'm off for now
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15:00<implijer>hey. Do you know a good alternative to gnome-sound-recorder on jessie ?
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15:04<rno>implijer: maybe "rec test.wav" with a term
15:05<implijer>rno, looking something user friendly, I'm trying to pomote free software not make people run away ^^'
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15:06<implijer>but Guess I could make a tiny wrapper around rec and a zenity minimal frontend...
15:06<implijer>if there is nothing else !
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15:07<turol>i created a 4x3TB raid6 array with md
15:07<turol>it's only syncing 20000K/sec
15:07<turol>2200 min expected finish
15:07<turol>this seems way too slow
15:07<turol>is there some kind of limiter on it?
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15:10<barteks2x>Is it on my end or something is wrong with the internet? Almost nothing other than google works every few minutes
15:10<barteks2x>Completely random parts of the internet are going down for me
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15:13<turol>barteks2x: seems to work for me in finland
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15:23<Charlie>hi there
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15:24<Charlie>I hope I'm in the right place for my question How do I choose the distribution ? I want to install Debian on an old PC with Intel Pentium dual core
15:25<Charlie>is it i386 ?
15:25<rno>yes
15:26<Charlie>Woah thank you very much... Greetings from France :)
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15:27<Charlie>do you think that KDE will work on it? (3Go RAM) or i'd better install LXDE ?
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15:39<turol>ok, for anyone else with slow raid resync
15:39<turol>http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-raid-increase-resync-rebuild-speed.html
15:39<turol>tip #3, stripe-cache-size
15:39<turol>raised it to 32768, speed went up to 110000K
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15:42<turol>i need to reset /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size on every boot, what's the right file to put that setting?
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16:04<Xylon>I'd just like to say, I find it VERY odd that beep and cowsay are not installed by default
16:04<Xylon>I mean, come on, guys
16:05<Xylon>they are must-haves
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17:12<turol>what's the best way to install nvidia 367 series driver (gtx 1060 support) into jessie?
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19:29<ach>hi
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19:52<implijer>erh
19:53<implijer>I'm trying for one hour now to get "resume sleeping" work, with no avail :x
19:53<implijer>black screen is my new nemesis x)
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20:12<ZADIR>Hi, i have a problem with curl
20:12<ZADIR>who can help me plz..
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20:17<sney>ask your question, provide details, and be patient
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20:19<ZADIR> /msg dpkg libc6_bug
20:19<ZADIR>I have a problem with curl, i have this msg = gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed
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20:24<ZADIR>I want downgrad curl but i can't
20:25<ZADIR>i have this message with this commande
20:25<ZADIR>sudo sudo apt-get install curl=7.38.0-4+deb8u3
20:25<ZADIR>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
20:25<ZADIR> curl : Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.38.0-4+deb8u3) but 7.50.1-1 is to be installed
20:25-!-ZADIR was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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20:55<ZADIR>J'ai finalement trouvé : la derniere maj de libgnutls et gnutls ne marche pas. j'ai simplement telecharger les paquets a la mano et installer les versions plus ancienne : gnutls-bin_3.5.2-2_amd64.deb et libgnutls30_3.5.2-2_amd64.deb
20:55<ZADIR>C'est good
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21:02<blu__>hi guys. I'm looking for sometihng that lets me monitor all processes running on a debian over time - as in I basically need the output of ps aux once a minute saved over time.. Is there a tool that does that already with some fancyness included?
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21:05<jcrain>ZADIR: i heard someone else have a problem with curl like that when upgrading from jessie to sid. i don't know why. but to downgrade curl you'll probably have to downgrade curl and libcurl3 at the same time.
21:08<blu__>first answer from google seems atop
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21:13<blu__>atop seems to be what i'm looking for. looks quite cool!
21:15<jcrain>blu__: /away
21:15<jcrain>umm, not what i meant
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21:23<awal1>blu__, atop, htop, top, conky (configured for that purpose)... there is a lot a pkgs
21:23<awal1>use apt/aptitude for search them
21:23<awal1>htop, is very easy to use
21:23<Gryllida>is there a reason iceape is no longer in the repositories?
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21:31<blu__>awal1, i know top and htop but they dont save the data over time
21:32<blu__>i dont know conky. atop seems super awesome atm - whats the diference to conky? have you got a link for conky?
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21:40<awal1>blu__, i have missed the "save" part of your asking
21:40<awal1>:P
21:40<awal1>i tought you just want to monitor
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21:45<blu__>nah I have that already ;)
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22:09<ryouma>i find htop and gkrellm the most useful. the latter was for me much quicker to configure than conky.
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22:49<awal1>ryouma, conky is really very easy to configure and set it to monitor a lot of things when you know how it works
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22:51<awal1>the easiest and practical way for learn how it works is comparing the config files; reading the theoretical docs and manual one ends lost
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22:58<ryouma>awal1: if there is a config someplace that sort of emulates gkrellm that would be useful
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23:09<awal1>ryouma, both can achieve same goals, conky + advanced configs, gkrellm + plugins. the problem of gkrellm is the space it requires if onw wants it to show more stuff then the standard ones.
23:09<awal1>conky config depend on what one wanna to do with it...
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23:31<ryouma>i just want what i already have with gkrellm (minus the krells which i do not use as the charts are better) then add other stuff if needed
23:31<ryouma>awal1:
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