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02:20<junkmechanic>hi.. so i am trying to create a keybinding to turn off the screen on openbox using xset... the problem is that it turns the screen off and immediatelhy turns is back on..
02:21<junkmechanic>because the command exits, i believe.. so i tried adding pushing it to background ... but that doesnt seem to cut it... any pointers?\
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02:59<mexug>heya. a package from testing/unstable has pulled a lot of new dependencies from testing/unstable. how can i display which package is responsible for what version jump in other installed packages? kind of an aptitude why for upgrades
03:00<mexug>i am aware that this should not happen with well maintained pinnings :)
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03:06<babilen>That's why you shouldn't mix stable with testing/unstable as it is probably smoother to just track testing directly (with unstable thrown in). I'm not aware of a way to get the information you are after once you completed the upgrade. aptitude has a "--show-why" option that might come in handy during upgrades though
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03:13<musca>mexug: in #debian-next i would say: just enjoy your new stretch install and do a dist-upgrade
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03:23<mexug>babilen: of course i didn't complete the upgrade. --show-why works great, thank you! mixing in testing/unstable isn't that bad. it depends how you install it. apt-get install -t is a bad idea because it pulls in dependencies from outside the default release. apt-get install $package/testing doesn't
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03:26<musca>-t temporarily sets the default release
03:27<mexug>orly.. even more suprising to see a lot of people using this
03:27<babilen>mexug: I'd still much rather just track a testing/unstable mix, but YMMV
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03:29<musca>the apt_preferences manpage is very clear about it:
03:29<musca>If the target release has been specified then APT uses the following algorithm to set the priorities of the versions of a package. Assign:
03:30<musca>... priority 990 to the versions that belong to the target release.
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03:50<turol>i rebuilt testing nvidia-driver (367.44) packages on stable and installed them
03:50<turol>the only complaint from dpkg is: "nvidia-kernel-source depends on make:any"
03:51<turol>make is installed, how do i tell dpkg to stfu and configure tha package anyway?
03:52<musca>367.44 is experimental, not testing
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03:52<turol>yeah, experimental
03:53<turol>i have a gtx 1060 so i need some black magic to get a driver that supports it
03:53<musca>turol: yes, i see
03:53<turol>at least the testing vulkan packages installed cleanly
03:55<turol>i could just hack debian/control and replace "make:any" with "make" and rebuild, do you think that would work?
03:55<danielsh>I think so yes
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03:57<danielsh>it's related to multiarch, if you can run 'make' you don't need the qualifier
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04:02<turol>well it installed successfully, let's see if it boots
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04:05<turol>it did, yay!
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04:46<grummund>Hi, how would you find the largest package in debian repo? (not necesarilly installed)
04:46<grummund>and failing that, what's a v. largish package in debian?
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05:04<grawity>grummund: I dunno what's the best way, but
05:04<grawity>grummund: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | awk '/^Package:/ {name=$2} /^Size:/ {size=$2; if (size > maxsize) {maxsize=size; maxname=name; print "new largest:", name, size}} END {print "final largest:", maxname, maxsize}'
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05:09<grummund>grawity: thanks for that
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05:09<grawity>I suppose most of that could have been replaced with |sort -n, but oh well
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05:21<grummund>heh.
05:21<grummund>grep -h -e ^Package: -e ^Size: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages* | paste - - | sort -n -k4 | tail -1
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05:53<eSa|>is there a packaged version of the latest oracle java?
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05:55<danielsh>apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -n -s Package,Size -F Package . | xargs -n2 | sort -n -k2
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05:57<eSa|>interesting
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06:50<grummund>danielsh: interesting although it produces a different answer to mine
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08:44<sveinse>Is there a (scriptable) command to list Build-Depends to a source package that is unpacked in a directory?
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08:49<danielsh>they're in debian/control, but why are you asking?
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08:56<sveinse>danielsh: It for a build server setup, and I need to parse the Build-Deps packages in order to install before calling dpkg-buildpackage
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08:57<danielsh>sveinse, have you considered 'apt-get build-dep' ?
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08:58<sveinse>danielsh: doesn't that command assume a source retrieved from the repos? Not for locally created packages, right?
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09:00<danielsh>sveinse, yes...
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09:03<sveinse>danielsh: So the bigger picture is: a) upload a .dsc and its files, b) unpacked with dpkg-source, c) install its build deps, d) run dpkg-buildpackage to build it. So there is no apt-repo to use in this context (and I don't want to bother setting one up). Then I'll rather make a python script which parses debian/control myself and fetch the list, but surely someone must have done this before
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09:09<danielsh>sveinse, I'm not that familiar with apt's under the hood. I assume there is some library interface to d/control files.
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09:10<user7>hi, i am getting "dm-raid45 not found in modules.dep" after booting a new debian installation. can someone help me?
09:11<sveinse>danielsh: yeah ok, apt interacts with a apt repo, which is a collection of index files. So apt-get reads the pre-generated sources lists and use that for output. So in order to use a local .deb or debian source file/dir, you need to make such a repo index. Which is doable, but a sidetrack in what I'm trying to achieve. Thanks thou
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09:12<danielsh>sveinse, Yes setting up a repo is one solution. I was trying to describe another solution: use libapt to parse the dependencies. Or even feed the d/control file to libapt and tell it "Install this one".
09:12*danielsh doesn't know what libapt's API looks like
09:12*sveinse neither
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09:24<themill>sveinse: Trying to reinvent the existing infrastructure isn't a great plan -- making use of the existing tools is more sensible (e.g. packages in reprepro, sbuild pulling the packages from there)
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09:26<sveinse>Does debian have any ready docker images for this btw?
09:26<themill>depends what 'this' is
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09:27<bremner>well. actually I don't think debian as a project has any docker imagers, does it?
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09:33<themill>For those determined to reinvent the wheel.... http://paste.debian.net/826024/
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09:52<sveinse>themill: Thanks. As for the wheel reinvention, I doubt the system I'm working can be used in a standard way, as I'm using docker containers to encapsulate multiple builds and archs.
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09:53<sveinse>and distros
09:53<themill>Maybe it would be better to encapsulate in a different way then.
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09:54<themill>If you need to teach your build server the idiosyncrasies of every single distro and teach it to parse lots of different file formats, then that's not a win.
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09:56<sveinse>no definitely not.
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10:01<sveinse>The system works now (and much better that it used to, as I used to have many different systems for the various distros). Now everything is deb-based, which is neat. One just needs a few things on top of dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-source to set the scene for building, and then you're in standard debian world after that
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10:11<sveinse>This is the overlay I ended up with for package building in docker containers is this: http://paste.debian.net/826071/
10:12<sveinse>Not a complete wheel, but perhaps a spoke or two...
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11:16<transiency>I've written code since i was 12 or 13 and got my first programming job at Stanford SLAC/DOE at 15. I helped build the GUI for the particle accelerator SPEAR3 which was undergoing a full replacement for upgrade. I built various data collection and data analysis applications plus various miscellaneous scripts etc for the next 10 years there. Started my own consulting company, and while working at Stanford, going to UCSC, and using the experience
11:16<transiency> I acquired while working as a penetration tester, I pivoted to a SaaS startup building a distributed IPS using machine learning for traffic classification. That product has a webui component written in ruby on rails and jquery/js/coffeescript. I have a large amount of experience as a generalist which is critical for early stage companies and I bring significant value to the table.
11:16<transiency>shit
11:16<transiency>fuck
11:16<transiency>sorry
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11:23*bremner subscribes to newsletter
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12:00<Encrypt>Hello everybody o/
12:00<Encrypt>I would like to install i3 on Debian Jessie because I'm tired of using the mouse :P
12:01<mtn>Encrypt: is it in the repos? did you look?
12:01<Encrypt>I would like to know if any of you have installed that Desktop Environment on their machine?
12:01<Encrypt>And what will it give when I will start the computer? Will GDM still be the "startup screen"?
12:01<Encrypt>mtn, It is indeed
12:01<mtn>Encrypt: you might find the arch wiki on i3 helpfull, too
12:01<babilen>GDM will still handle your login and you can install it with "apt install i3"
12:02<babilen>judd: v i3
12:02<judd>Package: i3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.12-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.12-2; sid: 4.12-2
12:02<Encrypt>babilen, Yep, I knew for apt-get install i3 :P
12:02<Encrypt>babilen, Also, won't there be a conflict with Gnome?
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12:02<babilen>There is also a newer version in jessie-backports that you might want to install with "apt -t jessie-backports install i3" after having added backports to your sources.list
12:02<babilen>Encrypt: No, there is no conflict
12:02<Encrypt>Anjd what will happen to the apps in /etc/xdg/autostart?
12:02<babilen>Absolutely not
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12:03<babilen>i3 won't start them
12:03<Encrypt>Will they still be fired at startup?
12:03<Encrypt>Oh, cool!
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12:03<babilen>You typically have 'exec "foo"' at the end of your i3 config file
12:04<Encrypt>babilen, Because what I currently don't like either is the "search" thing which uses all my disk I/O every time I start the computer
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12:04<Encrypt>I don't remember the name of this gnome project though
12:04<Encrypt><babilen> You typically have 'exec "foo"' at the end of your i3 config file // Yep :)
12:04<Encrypt>That's what is really nice with i3
12:05<Encrypt>All the startup / config is in ~/.i3/config
12:05<Encrypt>The files are not spread everywhere in the filesystem
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12:05*babilen keeps it in ~/.config/i3/config ... xdg ftw ;)
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12:06<Encrypt>I'll backup my files first, just in case x)
12:06<Encrypt>babilen, Would you recomment reinstalling Debian if I am happy with i3?
12:06<Encrypt>recommend*
12:06<Encrypt>To get a "cleaner" filesystem?
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12:07<Encrypt>Without all the gnome-related stuff
12:07<babilen>No, you can just remove stuff you don't want or need
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12:07<Encrypt>babilen, So, you kept both DE I guess?
12:07<babilen>No, I never install the complete Gnome DE, just a few selected applications
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12:08<Encrypt>Ok, I see :P
12:08<Quo-fan>seems i just had 44 debian updates waiting according to apticron
12:08<Quo-fan>that cant be right
12:09<babybee>During installation of debian system I am asked to provide firmware for wireless card. I already identified firmware needed as this package -> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink Question: How to get essential files from this package (to copy them to USB) to use during installation process ?
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12:12<Encrypt>babilen, Ok, I installed it, I'll see how good it is!
12:12<Encrypt>Thanks for your help
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12:12<babilen>Have fun
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12:17<petn-randall>babybee: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en
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12:37<AutofireII>I'm having a bit of an issue with the init.d scripts. Anything symbolically linked gives an error. I assume it's looking up the wrong name...but the strange thing is that it's always worked before. If an update caused the issue, I never noticed it until now because the computer was just rebooted. http://paste.debian.net/826210/
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12:38<AutofireII>I
12:38<AutofireII>I've done some Googling on the topic but I've mainly found unrelated issues :s
12:39<esa_>Google has the answer (for me)
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12:41<AutofireII>I'm not sure exactly where you've found it, but I should also mention that this is happening for *every* link in rc5.d (and friends). I can't just rename the link names because they HAVE to have their numbering scheme.
12:41<somiaj>AutofireII: are you using debian jessie? The default is systemd so you should write a systemd unit file.
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12:41<grawity>the boot process doesn't use /etc/rc*.d anymore, does it?
12:41<somiaj>systemd does not use the links in /etc/rc?.d/
12:41<somiaj>grawity: not unless you have switched back to sysvint
12:41<petn-randall>AutofireII: That's expected, because you shouldn't be calling /etc/rc6.d/S03ntp status, and neither does init.
12:41<AutofireII>Oh. ._.
12:42<petn-randall>AutofireII: Tell us about your problem, not the solution you're trying to find.
12:42<AutofireII>...huh?
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12:42<AutofireII>But...this is my problem...I thought. I haven't intentionally switched anything to use rc*.d
12:42<AutofireII>I just thought that's what it used. This is news
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12:43<Kaaris>bonjour
12:43<AutofireII>Well...okay well the main problem is that the computer's internet died.
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12:45<petn-randall>AutofireII: How far did you get debugging that?
12:45<HiTree>AutofireII: Which debian version are you using?
12:45<HiTree>(you find it in /etc/os-release)
12:46<AutofireII>HiTree: I'm using Jessie. 64-bit, if it matters.
12:47<AutofireII>petn-randall: Well I guess not very far...the first place I checked was dmesg and it mentioned some segfaults. My first inclination was to go check the init.d scripts...which lead me to S03ntp not working. But I guess that was wrong :S
12:47<HiTree>Ok. How is your computer connected to the internet?
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12:48<AutofireII>It's wired. (From a switch into a router, then going out.)
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12:49<AutofireII>(Also the segfault, now that I check, should be unrelated. It's an XFCE program apparently. I'll investigate that another time)
12:49<HiTree>Ok. Is "ip addr" showing any connections? Any IPs?
12:50<AutofireII>HiTree: Yep, I see two. One for loopback (lo) and one for eth0. I can copy-paste that output here if it would help
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12:52<AutofireII>I should mention that the computer has a static IP, not DHCP
12:52<HiTree>AutofireII, please use paste.debian.net
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12:53<AutofireII>HiTree: Er...yes, ok. Sorry, no flooding, right? *Grabs the output and a few other things*
12:54<somiaj>AutofireII: ping ipaddress (where ipaddress is the one assigned to eth0)
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12:55<AutofireII>somiaj: That works
12:56<somiaj>AutofireII: then your static ip address is setup correctly. So it is either a cable or the router (or maybe just a route) when you try to get out of your machine
12:56<somiaj>AutofireII: ping ipaddress of router
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12:57<somiaj>though still paste the output, someone may see something.
12:57<AutofireII>The router doesn't return the ping
12:57<AutofireII>"Destination Host Unreachable"
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12:57<HiTree>AutofireII: What does "ip route" tell about the default route?
12:57<somiaj>that could be an issue with a route. Though unsure on the details here as we would need to know more about your network.
12:58<AutofireII>HiTree, somiaj: I'm gathering things up now
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13:03<AutofireII>http://paste.debian.net/826232/
13:03<AutofireII>I can't immediately see anything wrong...
13:04<AutofireII>Oh...?
13:04<AutofireII>Huh
13:04<AutofireII>I did `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` and it works now??
13:04<AutofireII>Yep, I can access the Samba shares and it can load stuff. Well I guess it works now?
13:05*AutofireII reboots again to test a theory.
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13:08<AutofireII>The only thing that changed between reboots was that I ran `update-rc.d ntp defaults`. I don't think I changed anything else... :S
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13:10<AutofireII>HiTree, somiaj: Thanks for the help! I probably would have been still chasing down the thing with S03ntp and whatnot if it wasn't for you guys
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13:10<HiTree>AutofireII, you're welcome!
13:11<somiaj>update-rc.d might not do much on a systemd system
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13:16<AutofireII>somiaj: That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's not a systemd system...lemme check
13:16<AutofireII>Although I know I didn't purposely change it, so I don't expect it to be using anything else
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13:20<somiaj>AutofireII: you would have had to done something in the install or upgrade to make systemd not default.
13:20<somiaj>AutofireII: seems like something happened to your network configuration and it just needed to be restarted
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13:21<AutofireII>somiaj: Probably. What baffles me is that it didn't work fresh off one reboot, but then it worked after the next reboot. I don't really mind if it's a one-time issue, but...it bothers me anyway
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13:26<AutofireII>Anyhow, the system is almost certainly using systemd, as it's running with PID 1
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14:38<inkbottle>Hi, I'm doing a straightforward new install on a thinkpad T420 (I understood it does matter...), on which bios are enabled "both UEFI and legacy"; however at grub install stage, installer is asking me some tricky questions...
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14:40<awal1>inkbottle, which arch ?
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14:41<petn-randall>inkbottle: You want "UEFI only" and CSM disabled before installing.
14:41<inkbottle>awal1: sth about if I want some additional efi on "removable path" (the installation computer in some other room) (I check and come back at once)
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14:42<awal1>amd64 image + enabling uefi+ disabling secureboot things should go just fine
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14:42<petn-randall>inkbottle: Unless you explicitely want legacy BIOS installation. But either way, you should keep CSM disabled. Anything else is a PITA.
14:42<awal1>as you have been told, you have to choose your mode, uefi or legacy bios
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14:44<inkbottle>petn-randall: awal1: The installer choose EFI, it didn't ask me for anything else (I just go check the exact question it's asking me)
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14:47<inkbottle>petn-randall: awal1: "Force grub installation to the efi removable media path?" (default is no but it doesn't mean a thing)
14:48<inkbottle>"some efi implementations are buggy"
14:48<inkbottle>...
14:48<inkbottle>so says the installer
14:49<petn-randall>inkbottle: I'd first check if the installer was running in UEFI mode. Otherwise you won't be able to write to the EFI system partition.
14:50<petn-randall>inkbottle: Safest way is to change those knobs in UEFI setup and restart the installation. Or you can switch terminals and check if /sys/firmware/efi/ exists.
14:50<inkbottle>petn-randall: "it seems that this computer is configured to boot via EFI" (fst sentence in the screen)
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14:50<inkbottle>petn-randall: OK, I see
14:50<petn-randall>inkbottle: I guess then you're safe. But I'd still change the UEFI setup after installation then, just to be safe.
14:51<inkbottle>OK, I do that
14:51<inkbottle>I'll keep you informed
14:51<petn-randall>inkbottle: Cool, let us know how the installation went. :)
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14:54<awal1>inkbottle, I dont know if it matters but several months I havent reinstalled jessie in uefi mode, so I dont remember all stuff. but one thing is sure: I had to choose uefi mode for the cd image (F2 for boot setup in my case). then the installer have done all what it should do for a uefi system automatically
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14:57<awal1>I meant, after choosing uefi mode I had to select uefi mode for the cd image/installer too
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15:03<MikeDebian>hello all! I've been in the linux scene between 2003 and 2009 with redhat/fedora.. since 2009 I've been out of it and I'm now coming back and I chose Debian.
15:04<MikeDebian>I'm wondering what this the current way on debian to limit the processes an user can list using ps command
15:04<MikeDebian>what is*
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15:06<MikeDebian>ie limiting the shown processes only to the user processes (not anyone else processes)
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15:42<Encrypt>Hello again o/
15:42<Encrypt>babilen, i3 works well :3
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15:42<Encrypt>I'm customizing it right now
15:43<Encrypt>I have a problem with the "Volume Up" key, it looks like the pactl command does nothing
15:43<Encrypt>Have you configured it?
15:43<dutchfish>MikeDebian, as far as i know you can't, because /proc ould reveal the others anyway. But probably a solution to this would be to implement grsecurity see: https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity
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15:44<dutchfish>s/ould/would
15:44<Encrypt>amixer probably?
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15:52<HellComputers>hi how do i reset a tpm lockout period
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15:55<dutchfish>HellComputers, providing the right pin, after the cooldown period.
15:55<HellComputers>i have waited 12 hours :< how long is it
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15:55<HellComputers>and do u mean the owner pword?
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15:56<dutchfish>HellComputers, it exponentially increases, depending on how many times you provided a wrong one
15:56<HellComputers>side trouble is i already reset it in the BIOS, so the owner password is cleared i imagine
15:56<dutchfish>HellComputers, true, but not the cooldown period
15:57<HellComputers>yeah but how can i reset it with the owner password if the password doesn't exist anymore? also what would the command be to reset it?
15:58<dutchfish>HellComputers, provide the right pin, maybe you can regive it in the bios, as you apparently managed to disable it, once the rest has be done by a correct pin, you can disable it again and the cooldown has then be reset.
15:59<dutchfish>s/rest/reset
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15:59<HellComputers>i see thanks
15:59<dutchfish>yw
16:00<HellComputers>in windows there is a TPM lockout reset command, what would that command be for linux tpm tools?
16:00<dutchfish>HellComputers, no idea. Maybe ask #windows ?
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16:01<HellComputers>no no i mean what is the command in linux?
16:01<dutchfish>HellComputers, there is none.
16:01<HellComputers>oh :< how/where do i enter the owner password to reset it then?
16:01<dutchfish>HellComputers, unless your hardware vendor provides specific tools i am not aware off
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16:02<dutchfish>HellComputers, bios, UEFI, it depends on your specific hw
16:03<HellComputers>there is no option to enter a pin in my bios, only reset/activate/disable the tpm
16:03<dutchfish>HellComputers, ask your vendor then
16:03<HellComputers>i am out of my support peroid D: but ok i will ask on their forums
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16:04<dutchfish>HellComputers, on all my cases, it was possible to set a new one, inside either bios or UEFI
16:04<HellComputers>wat was ur oem?
16:04<dutchfish>HellComputers, various lareg brands
16:05<dutchfish>large*
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16:05<HellComputers>lareg?
16:05<HellComputers>oh
16:05<HellComputers>ok thanks for your help i am going to reboot
16:05<dutchfish>HellComputers, dell, ibm etc
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16:05<HellComputers>mine is a dell laptop but it doesnt have it :( maybe it would be in intel ME?
16:05<dutchfish>HellComputers, but not for securilock designed workstations, bare that in mind
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16:06<HellComputers>securilock?
16:06<dutchfish>HellComputers, dell should be able to support hat Q
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16:08<dutchfish>HellComputers, or your particular vendor
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16:13<gebruiker>does jessie have security line in sources.list?
16:14<dutchfish>gebruiker, yes. also see: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
16:14<towo`>it has
16:14<gebruiker>can I just use "stable" instead of "wheezy" ?
16:14<dutchfish>gebruiker, stable is NOT wheezy
16:14<dutchfish>!stable
16:14<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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16:15<dutchfish>that factoid is outdated 8.6 is the current one for stable
16:16<dutchfish>i advice to use names, aka for stable jessie, for oldstable wheezy
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16:16<dutchfish>that way you have no surprises on new releases
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16:17<gebruiker>dutchfish, i see, I always thought it would be more easy to make the transition this way. but I see how just changing the release names is more sane
16:18<dutchfish>gebruiker, at least it keeps you in control of when you want a newer release, aka dist-upgrade.
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16:19<gebruiker>dutchfish, I am a bit worried about my ATI hd 5450 card and how well it runs. I read some mixed experiences about the proprietary driver and the new open source driver. Can you comment on it?
16:20<dutchfish>gebruiker, it does run out of the box in jessie
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16:20<dutchfish>gebruiker, not for the prop driver
16:21<dutchfish>gebruiker, but fine on the open source driver
16:21<gebruiker>dutchfish, what about font rendering, last time I installed debian the fonts on the website nu.nl made me a bit horrified
16:21<towo`>dutchfish, not ootb
16:21<towo`>dutchfish, since debian does not ship needed firmware
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16:21<gebruiker>dutchfish, hmm interesting the opensource driver does not make e.g youtube vids slow under heavy-ish load?
16:21<dutchfish>towo`, correct, apart from the firmware.
16:22<dutchfish>gebruiker, nope, not anymore.
16:22<gebruiker>cool!
16:22<dutchfish>indeed
16:22<gebruiker>alright I am a bit behind - firmware for what?
16:22<dutchfish>gebruiker, radeon
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16:24<dutchfish>gebruiker, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-linux-nonfree
16:24<gebruiker>dutchfish, so for sake of clarity - amdgpu?
16:25<gebruiker>dutchfish, also have you noticed any bad font rendering on websites such as www.nu.nl?
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16:26<dutchfish>gebruiker, i am using a miriad of radeon 5000 and 6000 series on debian boxes, no problem, however there are the obvioous performance differences, and your proc has impact as well, but no problems.
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16:27<towo`>gebruiker, amdgpu is not for your ati card
16:28<towo`>gebruiker, radeon is the driver your card is using
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16:28<gebruiker>towo`, I am using HD 5450, which driver works best?
16:28<towo`>gebruiker, hard for you to read?
16:29<towo`>gebruiker, radeon is the only driver for your card
16:29<gebruiker>towo`, I am sorry, I am dyslextic I must have misread it
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17:07<cra1g321>is there page that i can check if cve's or updates for packages are being worked on ? just there is a few recent php cve's
17:08<cra1g321>i've found https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-7412 but no links to debian bugreports or any info if they are being fixed
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17:32<inkbottle>awal1_: petn-randall: finally, at the question "Force grub installation to the efi removable media path?" I answered "No"; and everything went seamlessly. Machine is Thinkpad T420, the bios is from 2011.
17:33<inkbottle>Thanks for your help and sorry I didn't say how it worked a bit sooner so petn-randall could have seen it too
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17:57<barteks2x>Is it really impossible to install anaconda (for python) without using their installer or am I just missing something obvious?
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18:41<JosephineBlack>wow
18:41<JosephineBlack>Hi :-)
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18:43<JosephineBlack>so whats up?
18:43<JosephineBlack>:-)
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19:56<nrublim>I'm looking for help getting debian jessie installed on an HP notebook.
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19:57<JosephineBlack>hi
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19:58<JosephineBlack>So whats u Problem nrub?
19:58<JosephineBlack>Can u boot from CD/DVD ?
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19:58<JosephineBlack>Insert CD into optical drive and get power on?
19:59<nrublim>yes
20:00<nrublim>I've gotten into the install, did a guided encrypted LVM partition scheme, when it got to the point of installing GRUB it failed.
20:01<nrublim>I continued without installing a bootloader, got to the point of rebooting and now I'm looking at a "grub >" prompt
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20:02<nrublim>I've tried doing some research, suggestions I've found seem to be older. tried several things but nothing seems to work.
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20:02<MikeDebian>dutchfish, thank you for your reply
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20:03<noahm>nrublim: out of curiosity, have you tried a regular (non-encrypted) install? Did it fail the same way?
20:03<JosephineBlack>I know I could read miles of RTFM
20:03<JosephineBlack>but Im old
20:03<JosephineBlack> lol*
20:03<JosephineBlack>mine time is hmm
20:04<JosephineBlack>gold :-)
20:04<nrublim>yes noahm, failed the same way
20:04<JosephineBlack>I love debian
20:04<JosephineBlack>I will hget a tatoo this year xmas
20:04<JosephineBlack>but
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20:05<nrublim>I usually love reading manuals, figuring out the puzzle, just getting frustrated
20:05<noahm>nrublim: also, the installer will present you with an option to start a shell prior to rebooting. Might be worth doing that, at which point you can debug a bit more.
20:05<noahm>e.g. try running grub-install yourself.
20:05<JosephineBlack>I got no much time
20:05<noahm>and inspect its output
20:05<JosephineBlack>:-)
20:05<JosephineBlack>yes I know software testing is paied high
20:06<JosephineBlack>and still exploits selled higher lol*
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20:06<nrublim>so use the install disk, go into rescue mode, get to shell and try grub-install? I believe I tried that, but I'll try again.
20:06<JosephineBlack>I m sick
20:06<JosephineBlack>unfortunarly
20:06-!-f10__ [~flo@2001:470:52af:1:dd12:24db:5df9:c662] has joined #debian
20:06<JosephineBlack>but I hope I can get well soon
20:07<JosephineBlack>still
20:07<nrublim>feel well soon Josephine
20:07<JosephineBlack>thanks real rub
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20:07<RequiemAeternam>Hi, I installed on Wine a program, this program it's now uninstaled, but I still have wine shortcuts in the GNOME applications. What can I do?
20:07<JosephineBlack>I really love code and Debian
20:07<JosephineBlack>but last yeqars I got sick
20:08<JosephineBlack>Im sure it was the Microsoft stuff ;-*
20:08<JosephineBlack>Joke
20:08<JosephineBlack>To much stress
20:08<noahm>nrublim: I was thinking of doing that on a clean install (e.g. before you ever reboot out of the installer) but rescue mode may be worth trying too
20:08<JosephineBlack>But Im proudly present
20:08-!-Shentino [~Shentino@66-191-43-18.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
20:09<JosephineBlack>HP Servers run 99,8 %
20:09<JosephineBlack>in 12 years+#
20:09-!-Shentino [~Shentino@66-191-43-18.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #debian
20:09<JosephineBlack>with brother VMWare lol*
20:10<JosephineBlack>and I hate Companys never invest in IT
20:10<nrublim>noahm, I don't mind restarting the install over again, it'll be the ~5th time.
20:10<noahm>At this point you're probably getting good at it ;)
20:10<PadawanLearner>noahm: LoL
20:10<nrublim>getting there.
20:10<JosephineBlack>If I had a company witch make seroius money
20:10<JosephineBlack>I would change IT all 3 Years
20:11<JosephineBlack>and Admins lol*
20:11<JosephineBlack>all 3 month ;-)
20:11<nrublim>I've got debian running on my desktop, no issues there. have it dual booting and everything. But this notebook is giving me trouble
20:11<JosephineBlack>Admins are to wise guys ;-)
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20:11<JosephineBlack>U run also a Debian 8 kind of distro
20:11<JosephineBlack>like it
20:12<JosephineBlack>I hope after Jan died Debian stays free
20:12<JosephineBlack>I think Jan would like it Debian stay free
20:12<JosephineBlack>:-)
20:13<JosephineBlack>But Im a newbie kind of
20:13<nrublim>before I restart the install, is there anything I can try checking at the grub > prompt?
20:13<Echoz>RequiemAeternam: find and delete in ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs
20:14<noahm>the grub> prompt is stage1 of grub... So *some* part of grub definitely did get installed.
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20:14<noahm>Rather than going through the whole install again, it may be worth it to try rescue mode first
20:14<JosephineBlack>u
20:14<noahm>When you run grub-install, it may give more details about why it failed.
20:15<JosephineBlack>do u like to install a dualöboot or whatß
20:15<nrublim>I even tried doing the multi-arch install in case I was running into the issue of a 32 bit bios on a 64 bit machine, but still no joy.
20:15<JosephineBlack> ?
20:15<JosephineBlack>no
20:15<JosephineBlack>make it easy dude
20:15<JosephineBlack>U like Debian?
20:15<nrublim>not on the laptop, just wanted debian by itself
20:15<JosephineBlack>chill a little
20:16<JosephineBlack>what u mean with Debian itself?
20:16<JosephineBlack>no understand
20:16<nrublim>no other OS, just debian
20:16<JosephineBlack>on u fuck old laptop?
20:16<JosephineBlack>u install debian and use it?
20:16<nrublim>new laptop, just bought it 2 weeks ago. came with win10 and wiped it off
20:17<JosephineBlack>no klicki bunt? dual boot?
20:17<JosephineBlack>so insert the newest image
20:17<JosephineBlack>boor
20:17<JosephineBlack>boot
20:17<JosephineBlack>and take graphic install
20:17<noahm>nrublim: you might also dig into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting for some hints
20:17<JosephineBlack>so u can check german or finnish or english language
20:17<JosephineBlack>ot maybe
20:18<JosephineBlack>even hmm
20:18<JosephineBlack>whats u nation?
20:18<nrublim>US
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20:19<JosephineBlack>What by the way
20:19<JosephineBlack>ist the difference between Lilo and Grub?
20:20<JosephineBlack>besides both are bitches if u have problems lol*
20:20<JosephineBlack>US no
20:21<JosephineBlack>U are no US
20:21<JosephineBlack>lie to me is always an bad ideea
20:21<JosephineBlack>machines love me :-)
20:22<JosephineBlack>But I wish u all good
20:22<JosephineBlack>and u will be soon US
20:22<JosephineBlack>Non have lie to me
20:23<JosephineBlack>I know life and death a lot
20:23<JosephineBlack>It is an easy rule
20:23<JosephineBlack>whom can t awake life
20:23<JosephineBlack>r nt allowed kill
20:24<JosephineBlack>and those whom kill
20:24<JosephineBlack>lost right on them own life
20:24<JosephineBlack>:-)
20:24<JosephineBlack>excuse plz mine ebglish
20:24<JosephineBlack>n
20:25<JosephineBlack>AYE
20:25<JosephineBlack>All are so smart
20:25<JosephineBlack>I m not smart
20:25<JosephineBlack>I m a Dreamer :-)
20:26<Echoz>Maybe #debian-offtopic is a better place for this
20:26<JosephineBlack>maybe
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20:27<noahm>nrublim: I need to drop offline for a while. Good luck sorting out the grub issue...
20:28<RequiemAeternam>Sorry, I lost the connection. I make the question again, I installed something with Wine, it's no more installed and I want to remove his dead links from applications. What should I do?
20:28<nrublim>thanks noahm
20:28<RequiemAeternam>*GNONE menu applications.
20:29<RequiemAeternam>*GNOME
20:29<JosephineBlack>Them hate me as well :-(
20:29<JosephineBlack>I never find a friend
20:29<JosephineBlack>no sex just friend
20:29<JosephineBlack>I love physik
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20:29<JosephineBlack>Mathematic
20:30<JosephineBlack>nature
20:30<JosephineBlack>and Beer
20:30<JosephineBlack>lol*
20:30<JosephineBlack>I strudied about 15 years Computer sience
20:30<RequiemAeternam>It seems that my question isn't so much important. ):
20:30<JosephineBlack>and I had have to say
20:30<JosephineBlack>patterns of Gof
20:31<JosephineBlack>help oŕ not lol*
20:31<JosephineBlack>not help private
20:31<JosephineBlack>But Dudes if u make Software
20:31<JosephineBlack>PLEASE
20:31<jcrain>Echoz> RequiemAeternam: find and delete in ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs
20:31<JosephineBlack>think ob Users and Daus
20:31<JosephineBlack>not u Boss
20:31<JosephineBlack>thanks :-)
20:32<JosephineBlack>Thats the Problem SAP got
20:32<JosephineBlack>runs by the way fine on allmost all Linux Distris
20:33-!-CEP-2015-Jessie [~cep2015@host9.201-252-211.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:33<JosephineBlack>Developer from all ERP
20:33<JosephineBlack>always forget some important
20:33-!-barteks2x [barteks2x@it.is.your.corrupt.we.claim.panicbnc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:33<JosephineBlack>Warch the people in production worl with it!
20:33<JosephineBlack>Watch
20:33<JosephineBlack>work
20:33<Echoz>RequiemAeternam: find and delete in ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs
20:34<JosephineBlack>They want to make high production times
20:34<Echoz>Oh, jcrain already pasted it
20:34<jcrain>:)
20:34<JosephineBlack>and give people a Software witch even bang heads out boss!
20:34<JosephineBlack>:-)
20:35<JosephineBlack>I think all Software Designer shell work some time in Production
20:35<JosephineBlack>or place they wanna programm help software
20:35<JosephineBlack>So they can chak
20:36<JosephineBlack>check
20:36<JosephineBlack>what people need to work fast, easy and chill
20:36<JosephineBlack> :-9
20:36<JosephineBlack>But they programm overhats
20:36<JosephineBlack>I think most Managers hmm
20:37<JosephineBlack>got no ideea how people work
20:37<JosephineBlack>I do not write this because Im poor
20:37-!-eaglerock [~eaglerock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
20:37<JosephineBlack>I m poor - but this is mine own desicision
20:38<JosephineBlack>safe money for a Boat lol*
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20:38<JosephineBlack>I think
20:38<RequiemAeternam>Echoz: Finished and rebooted. It works.
20:38<JosephineBlack>we should help little farmers and bussines
20:38<Echoz>RequiemAeternam: Great :)
20:38<JosephineBlack>we, I m a nerd
20:38<JosephineBlack>but
20:39<JosephineBlack>I like planet and grandma :-)
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20:39<JosephineBlack>If u can real bad hack
20:39<JosephineBlack>1.
20:39<JosephineBlack>31 hops
20:39<JosephineBlack>2.
20:39-!-RequiemAeternam [~Symphony@91.253.162.91] has joined #debian
20:39<JosephineBlack>give money to kids and stuff
20:40<JosephineBlack>:-)
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20:41<RequiemAeternam>If I want to make a script that use ffmpeg, how can I tell at the script to write a q for aborting?
20:41<JosephineBlack>Since I got sick
20:41<RequiemAeternam>This script use zenity.
20:41<JosephineBlack>I think often about death
20:41<JosephineBlack>anyhow
20:41<JosephineBlack>Go for freedom and peace people
20:41<JosephineBlack>really :-)
20:42<JosephineBlack>I "hate" war
20:42<JosephineBlack>actually Im so far away in brain I hate nothing
20:42<JosephineBlack>but
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20:43<JosephineBlack>I think if US nice Famalie people talk with Germany nive famalie people
20:43<JosephineBlack>they will find out
20:43<JosephineBlack>Biologic food is hmm
20:43<JosephineBlack>just cool
20:43<JosephineBlack>?
20:43<JosephineBlack>when?
20:44<JosephineBlack>I watched a TV from hmm Oeru?
20:44<JosephineBlack> Peru
20:44<JosephineBlack>about Quina
20:44<Echoz>RequiemAeternam: You want it to abort it with a q in the command or in one of the windows spawned by zenity?
20:45<JosephineBlack>:wq!
20:45<Echoz>RequiemAeternam: i meant command line
20:45<JosephineBlack>Rich will take more and more as it comes
20:46<JosephineBlack>and poor?
20:46<JosephineBlack>No matter meantime they I ant hunt hmm as much
20:47<JosephineBlack>they nake hearts from plastic ..
20:47<JosephineBlack>make
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20:47<JosephineBlack>mine will die without
20:48<JosephineBlack>as I was a child of maybe 11
20:48<JosephineBlack>I never could understand that rich people kill and
20:48<JosephineBlack>hmm
20:49<JosephineBlack>stuff
20:49<piper>JosephineBlack do you have a question ?
20:49<JosephineBlack>yes
20:49<JosephineBlack>I forgot mine password for Facebook
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20:50<piper>!ops JosephineBlack spamming nonsense
20:50<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: piper complains about: JosephineBlack spamming nonsense
20:50<JosephineBlack>Maybe I flusehd it with some assholez
20:51<JosephineBlack>I got unfortunatly a Asperger Syndrom
20:52<JosephineBlack>sorry
20:52<Echoz>/5/5
20:52<Echoz>accident
20:52<JosephineBlack>born
20:52<JosephineBlack>IQ 42 and blond lol*
20:53<JosephineBlack>First time it really showed was in University
20:53<JosephineBlack>I count binar backwards ...
20:53<JosephineBlack>all them made them traue fals tables
20:54<JosephineBlack>true
20:55<JosephineBlack>mine was also correct but wrong direction ...
20:55<JosephineBlack>And I do not need to proof anyone anything
20:55<JosephineBlack>O am a Lady and I love Debian
20:55<JosephineBlack>I
20:56-!-eaglerock [~eaglerock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:56<JosephineBlack>and I love music and sometimes mathematics
20:57-!-eaglerock [~eaglerock@ool-45771a29.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
20:58<JosephineBlack>anyhow
20:58<JosephineBlack>Free assange
20:58<JosephineBlack>aye?
20:58<JosephineBlack>I was coming to ICQ to get to know Linux people
20:59<JosephineBlack>since Im a Debian- Knoppix fan since hmm 20 years
20:59<JosephineBlack>ashame on me or u
20:59<JosephineBlack>what ever
21:00<JosephineBlack>Their is some stuff which si more worth as money on plenaet, besides Comets :-9
21:00<JosephineBlack>money will kill us all
21:00<JosephineBlack>peer us apart
21:00<JosephineBlack>anyhow
21:00<JosephineBlack>stick together people
21:01<JosephineBlack>umans are like wolves
21:01<JosephineBlack>alone lol*
21:01<JosephineBlack>they hunt u deadth
21:01-!-Yst [~Yst@0001fe93.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:01<JosephineBlack>I got some wolfes Cur
21:01<JosephineBlack>mine grandfather hunted him
21:02<JosephineBlack>I often look at the fur
21:02<JosephineBlack>and still Im a fraid
21:02<JosephineBlack>I widh the wolves back
21:02<JosephineBlack>wish
21:03<JosephineBlack>most people are lost in time
21:03<JosephineBlack> ex no never chek time
21:03<JosephineBlack>lost in electronic matrix
21:04<JosephineBlack>But thats u problem - Im free
21:04<JosephineBlack>ave :-)
21:05<JosephineBlack>Im seems no normal human
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21:05<JosephineBlack>hmm
21:05<JosephineBlack>a lie
21:06<JosephineBlack>I just think very straight
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21:06<JosephineBlack>take u ddos away plz
21:06<JosephineBlack>wanna listen music
21:06<eaglerock>am I missing half of a conversation here?
21:06<JosephineBlack>no
21:07<JosephineBlack>1
21:07<JosephineBlack>2
21:07<JosephineBlack>Im nice
21:07<JosephineBlack>3
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21:07<JosephineBlack>5
21:08<JosephineBlack>8
21:08<JosephineBlack>13
21:08<JosephineBlack>21
21:08<JosephineBlack>34
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21:15<Echoz>what was that?
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