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00:56<R4F_Debian>Hi all
00:56<Arcade>hi R4F_Debian
00:57<R4F_Debian>Nice to see you here, Arcade ! :)
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00:58<R4F_Debian>Please, Arcade, I'd like to solve a doubt here, about encrypting - is that a task made by file system in an OS ? For example, XFS encrypts better in Debian, than in FreeBSD, for example...
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01:02<Arcade>R4F_Debian, it depends on the media being selected. You have both hardware encryption and software encryption.
01:05<Arcade>R4F_Debian, I think what your looking for is https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_encryption
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01:06<Arcade>All XFS is a filesystem
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01:06<Arcade>just like ext4 is
01:09<R4F_Debian>yes, Arcade, I know it, that is why I used xfs, to express my doubt about encryption
01:09<grawity>full disk encryption, by design, should work exactly the same regardless of filesystem
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01:12<R4F_Debian>Thanks for information, grawity, but I will prepare a material for you and Arcade, for it will help me to express better my doubt
01:12<R4F_Debian>just one moment, please, will prepare a paste debian here
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01:18<R4F_Debian>Please, Arcade and grawity, check if he is an expert, or a crazy on the subject: http://paste.debian.net/836123/
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01:19<R4F_Debian>I didn't accepted his idea, but at the same time, I didn't have technical arguments to refuse it technically
01:19<grawity>the paste doesn't have any arguments for *either* side
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01:20<grawity>and your attempt at translation is ... poor
01:20<R4F_Debian>only translated like he said to me
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01:21<R4F_Debian>his basic idea is that freebsd should have encryption capacity better than debian because of zfs
01:22<R4F_Debian>sure by my side there weren't any argument, for I didn't know how to answer to him...
01:22<R4F_Debian>there wasn't
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01:32<Arcade>ok. guess he left
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01:50<vortek>dam internet he
01:50<vortek>hhe
01:50<vortek>heh
01:51<vortek>dammit now i cant load pages again
01:51<vortek>his laptop is cursed
01:51<jm_>keyboard too?
01:51<vortek>heheh
01:51<vortek>you there still?
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02:22<hamidi>hi all
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02:23<hamidi>after installing jessie, i see file names which are in other languages than english (maybe arabic) not recognized
02:23<hamidi>what's wrong?
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02:27<danielsh>could you pastebin the filenames?
02:27<danielsh>are those files in your homedir, or in /etc, or where?
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02:29<hamidi>sorry i got dc
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02:30<danielsh><danielsh> could you pastebin the filenames?
02:30<danielsh><danielsh> are those files in your homedir, or in /etc, or where?
02:30<hamidi>what's pastebin?
02:30<danielsh>paste.debian.net (see topic)
02:30<danielsh>http://paste.debian.net/
02:31<hamidi>how can i use it?
02:32<hamidi>see, for example, file names are like: کارت ورود به آزمون دبیرستان فرهنگ فاطمه.pdf
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02:33<danielsh>hamidi, can you paste the output of 'ls | xxd' (in a terminal) to http://paste.debian.net ?
02:33<hamidi>i think unicode which has been two characters is change to two unicode characters.
02:33<hamidi>sure
02:33<danielsh>it could be, the fact that Ø repeat hints to that.
02:33<hamidi>let me describe that they're located in a separated partition which is zfs
02:33<hamidi>i imported the partition
02:34*danielsh nods
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02:35<hamidi>http://paste.debian.net/836207/
02:36<hamidi>i hope i've used pastebin correctly. this was my first time.
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02:41<danielsh>it is indeed Arabic
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02:41<hamidi>yeah i told u
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02:41<danielsh>so what's the question? are the files named wrongly? or were they not supposed to even exist?
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02:42<jm_>it actually shows as proper utf-8?
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02:42<user>Hallo
02:42<danielsh>jm_, it shows up just fine when I take it through 'xxd -p -r'
02:42<hamidi>ok i pasted here how they're shown. indeed western characters are used to show them, not their real unicode characters
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02:42<hamidi>like: کارت ورود به آزمون دبیرستان فرهنگ فاطمه.pdf
02:43<danielsh>So you want the output to show the Arabic characters... ?
02:43<jm_>danielsh: interesting, not for me, I must be missing the fonts
02:43<danielsh>jm_, do you see this: بدوح.7Z ?
02:43<hamidi>yeah
02:44<jm_>danielsh: yeah except the 7Z part comes as weird
02:44<danielsh>hamidi, Ah! I misunderstood your question then, sorry.
02:44<hamidi>oh my! i found that file explorer may show them correctly. it's just a krusader issue
02:44<danielsh>hamidi, what terminal emulator d you use?
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02:44<danielsh>jm_, Here too it shows as 7.XXXXZ.
02:45<hamidi>yeah it's بدوح
02:45<hamidi>you got it
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02:45<jm_>danielsh: for me it's what hamidi pasted above and then ".7Z"
02:45<hamidi>how did u find?
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02:45<danielsh>hamidi, you pastebinned it for me :)
02:45<jm_>are you the person who had trouble with jessie and UEFI yesterday?
02:46<danielsh>hamidi, I just did 'caste http://paste.debian.net/836207/ | xxd -r' (where caste is a tool I wrote to print a pastebin to stdout)
02:46<danielsh>jm_, I use hexchat on stable.
02:46<hamidi>ic
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02:47<hamidi>i think just something is wrong with krusader
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02:50<hamidi>how can i resolve it?
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02:52<danielsh>do you use a UTF-8 locale ?
02:53<hamidi>not sure. how can i know?
02:53<hamidi>nautilus shows file names correctly
02:53<jm_>run 'locale charmap' in a terminal and it will show you
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02:53<jm_>so you probably do
02:54<jm_>hamidi: are you the person who had trouble with jessie and EFI yesterday?
02:54<hamidi>yeah :)
02:54<danielsh>krusader doesn't have any related bugs on stable
02:54<jm_>so letting installer create partitions helped?
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02:55<hamidi>no, it was not my fault in partitioning
02:55<hamidi>re-installing solved the problem
02:55<hamidi>this time i asked no!
02:55<hamidi>somewhere it asked me whether to force EFI
02:56<hamidi>i had answered yes in the first installation
02:56<hamidi>that caused it not to be able to install grub
02:57<jm_>so you're in legacy mode then, ok
02:57<hamidi>i really don't know what it really is. but from now on i know that i should answer NO to this question
02:57<user__>hallo
02:57<hamidi>i don't know what is legacy mode or stuff like it
02:57<hamidi>it was resolved anyway
02:58<hamidi>now please let me know how can i know my system locale and if needed how can i change it
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02:58<jm_>I already told you how to check
02:58<hamidi>oh yes, sorry i didn't see
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02:59<hamidi>ANSI_X3.4-1968
02:59<danielsh>user__, hello
02:59<jm_>user__: if you have a question, just ask -- see the topic and /msg dpkg ask
03:00<jm_>hamidi: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
03:00<user__>hallo
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03:00<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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03:02<hamidi>should i choose arabic as the default locale?
03:03<hamidi>i chose all locales in first step
03:04<jm_>use whichever you want to use as the default
03:04<hamidi>doesn't affect?
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03:08<hamidi>should i reboot the system for changed to take effect?
03:08<hamidi>it didn't change
03:08<jm_>logout and login again
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03:11<hamidi>ok thx
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03:14<hamidi_>no change
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03:14<hamidi_>the characters are still incorrect
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03:15<hamidi_>not only in krusader, but also in terminal i can't see them correct. they're replaced with ?
03:16<hamidi_>let me reboot and see what will happen
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03:48<hamidi>rehi
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03:48<hamidi>i tested dpkg-reconfigure locales many times
03:49<hamidi>and found that the only thing which affect on file names on terminal/ krusader/ etc. is that in the second page which we specify the language of the whole system 'C.utf8' should be selected
03:49<hamidi>that's the solution
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03:50<hamidi>i also found that a reboot is required. maybe gdm should be restarted
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03:51<grawity>it doesn't really matter which language you select
03:51<grawity>as long it's a ".utf8" locale
03:51<hamidi>u mean first page?
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04:05<danielsh>he means the effective locale needs to be a .utf8 one.
04:05<danielsh>that's set by the second page (or by your shell startup files)
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04:33<hamidi>utf8 is not dependent to any language
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04:33<hamidi>thx all
04:33<hamidi>byte for now
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04:33<hamidi>bye
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04:41<dyw>dpkg 8.6
04:41<dpkg>Debian 8.6 was released on September 17, 2016. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160917 and http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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04:41<dyw>dpkg paste
04:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
04:42<SynrG>please msg the bot
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05:19<peter1138>hmm, every time i do "service keepalived restart" it fails to start first time, second time it works.
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08:45<scootergrisen>For some reason Icedove crashes from time to time. When i send a e-mail for example. How do i solve this problem?
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08:47<Dark_Dragoon>how can i configurate my laptop's wireless driver
08:49<somiaj>Dark_Dragoon: most likely you just need the firmware for your wifi card. What wireless chipset do you have?
08:51<Dark_Dragoon>i've search on net but it says that the laptop is inconpatible
08:53<Dark_Dragoon>i my sou monkey
08:53<somiaj>Dark_Dragoon: run lspci and look for a line that talks about your wirless chipset, or run 'dmesg | grep firmware' and paste the result
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08:55<daniel>Hello
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08:55<ThomasChr>Hello daniel
08:56<Guest1331>Which desktop enviroment do you use?
08:56<somiaj>Guest1331: is your goal to decide which desktop enviorment you want to use?
08:57<Guest1331>yes
08:57<somiaj>Guest1331: I would suggest trying them out and deciding for yourself. Also realize there are also windowmanager solutions in which you install additional software to fit your needs (that is what I use over a DE)
08:58<somiaj>Guest1331: any paticular look/feel you are looking for? Cinnimon and Xfce seem to both be popular alternatives to gnome, and there is also kde
08:58<somiaj>mate and lxde as well.
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08:59<Guest1331>I'm trying Gnome right now.
08:59<somiaj>Guest1331: if you have the disk space (most do) you can insatll the other DE's and try them out fairly easily in debian
09:01<Guest1331>I've installed Cinnamon Gnome and KDE.
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09:03<pirouette>Hello
09:03<Guest1331>Hello
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09:07<babybee>what website do you use to show screenshots ?
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09:23<ProphetSC>my laptop dont have any sound in hdmi.. why?
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09:32<marijnfs>does it show up in sound preferences?
09:32<grawity>IIRC, in older kernels, it had to be explicitly enabled via module parameters
09:32<grawity>brb sneezing
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10:46<ProphetSC>marijnfs dont apear
10:47<RequiemAeternam>Hi, I tried to install freeciv on my sistem, but the synaptic package says "it depends on freeciv-data and freeciv-client-gtk, but they're not going to be installed". What should I do?
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10:48<RequiemAeternam>I also made an apt-get update and added the httpredir backports database.
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10:49<blast007>!bat
10:49<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:53<jcrain>RequiemAeternam: if you have backports installed, you'll need to add "-t jessie-backports" to the line.
10:53<RequiemAeternam>Jcrain: What?
10:53<d3nny>RequiemAeternam, easiest way (but ugly workaround), just add "freeciv-data" and "freediv-client-gtk" in your apt(-get) install line
10:54<jcrain>looks like backports changed it from a virtual package to a real one
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10:55<RequiemAeternam>d3nny: And after this it's guaranteed that freeciv will be installed?
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10:55<anonymous>hi
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10:55<jcrain>RequiemAeternam: try "apt-get install -t jessie-backports freeciv"
10:56<RequiemAeternam>Oh.
10:57<jcrain>or if you don't have backports, try freeciv-client-gtk as d3nny said
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10:58<RequiemAeternam>jcrain: The value "jessie-backports" is not valid for APT::Default-Release because this release isn't avaiable in the sources.
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11:01<jcrain>RequiemAeternam: so you don't have backports set up. use freeciv-client-gtk instead.
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11:01<RequiemAeternam>jcrain: I have backports set up, but it's on "httpredir.debian.org".
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11:03<yaks>hello
11:04<yaks>who is here
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11:05<yaks>hiiiiiiii
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11:06<yaks>hey
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11:06<yaks>how are u
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11:07<Logg>good. do you need help?
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11:07<jcrain>RequiemAeternam: that err message means you don't have backports set up right, so check your sources.list and check "apt-get update" for any error messages.
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11:23<scootergrisen>How can i boot Debian from a live image without having to change language in GNOME and log out?
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11:35<somiaj>scootergrisen: #debian-live might still have users. I'm unsure how to change the default language at boot.
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11:35<jmcnaught>there used to be a user manual for debian live that was easy to find, but now all i can find is the developer manual.
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11:37<somiaj>afiak debian live still needs to get back online the docs and a newer site from when one of the main developers left.
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11:38<jmcnaught>there's this: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#539
11:39<somiaj>scootergrisen: ^^^
11:40<jmcnaught>oh yeah.. it says "This parameter, as well as the keyboard configuration parameters indicated below, can also be used at the kernel command line."
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11:47<scootergrisen>Thanks. Is it normal the live images does not include other translations then english?
11:47<pi_>hi @all
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11:49<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: it does say on https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ that they don't include a complete set of languages, but that manual i linked you to documents how to make your own live images
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11:50<Daniel>Heyaaaa
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11:52<Beltschazar>hi all
11:53<Logg>'lo
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11:53<Beltschazar>Whos listen
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11:55<cruncher>!ask
11:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:58<scootergrisen>Thanks i will try it
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12:01<SynQ>hi, I'm running in to this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838652
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12:02<SynQ>is there any way to get the previous version of the openssl package openssl_1.0.1t-1+deb8u2_amd64.deb somewhere?
12:02<somiaj>SynQ: you can get privious packages on snapshot.debian.org, but I wouldn't suggest using an insecure openssl
12:03<somiaj>though I guess you are between a rock and a hardplace with that bug. I expect a fix will hit soon (or hope)
12:03<SynQ>thanks somaiaj, if I can use that version for just a few minutes so we have a usable system the security risks are overseeable
12:03<somiaj>SynQ: also if you dn't run apt-get clean, check /var/cache/apt/archives -- you may have the previous version on your system.
12:04<SynQ>already checked that
12:04<SynQ>unfortunatly it's not there
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12:11<SynQ>ok, it's not just the openssl that is the problem, it is libc in it's totality
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12:12<SynQ>downgrading just the openssl package does not fix the problem unfortunately
12:12<SynQ>or so it seems
12:13<SynQ>is there any way to work around this issue?
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12:13<somiaj>SynQ: there was a libc6 upgrade with the point release, could that be the cause of this regression?
12:14<SynQ>it sure looks like it
12:14<SynQ>looks like the ubuntu guys have already fixed it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1626883
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12:15<SynQ>the problem is this: everything that used PHP to connect to a HTTPS site started crashing when verifying the server cert
12:15<jzaksh>is there a way to print all package names (recursively) of dependencies of a deb file? i have a linux-image-4.6...deb and a firmware-atheros_....deb that i'd like to install on an offline machine, but of course am running into dependency problems
12:15<somiaj>jzaksh: you can try apt-cache depends or apt-rdepends
12:16<jzaksh>somiaj: thanks!
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12:24<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
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12:27<jzaksh>jhutchins: thanks - i hadn't seen this article before. giving it a read now
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12:27<SynQ>ok I have the issue tackled
12:28<SynQ>getting libssl1.0.0_1.0.1t-1+deb8u3_amd64.deb from snapshots did the trick
12:29<SynQ>somiaj: can you help me post that to the https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838652 page?
12:29<SynQ>so that others can 'fix' their system while this issue is being fixed by package maintainers?
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12:51<jhutchins>SynQ: Looks like the bug is updated with the necessary workaround.
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14:12<barteks2x>I'm trying to set up nbd, but when running mkfs I'm getting "/dev/nbd0: Operation not permitted while setting up superblock", what am I doing wrong
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14:18<barteks2x>I can't find any information about it
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15:01<gahnoom>hello, anyone uses empathy for irc? it does not open window of the channel i joined. looking from another irc client, it simply joins then leaves the channel automatically.
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15:24<barteks2x>Does anyone here know something about NBD? (or how to simulate very slow HDD, doesn't matter how)
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15:30<jhutchins>gahnoom: A lot of people use irssi on a console. If you use it in tmux or screen, you can connect to your home session from anywhere you can ssh.
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15:30<jhutchins>gahnoom: It has some nice features, and since irc is 100% text the GUI doesn't matter.
15:31<gahnoom>oh thanks, i will try
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15:32<cra1g321>i use konversation
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15:54<pirouette>Hello
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15:55<pirouette>On Debian Testing, I see all gnome shell extensions disabled in gnome-tweak-tool, with a little warning icon beside each one
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15:55<pirouette>dpkg-query shows a version mismatch: gnome-shell is 3.21.91-2 but gnome-shell-extensions is 3.21.92-1
15:58<jhutchins>pirouette: You may find more people familiar with the current state of testing on #debian-next
15:58<pirouette>There is a bug report (not by me) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838275
15:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/838275 in gnome-shell-extensions (closed): «gnome-shell-extensions: version 3.21.92-1 should depend on gnome-shell 3.21.92-1»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-19; last modified: 2016-09-20.
15:59<pirouette>jhutchins: ok, thanks
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18:06<eclectist>anybody here a terminfo ninja, or just understands tput better than I do?
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18:33<juandkdk>hello
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18:35<juandkdk>tengo un problema con la interfaz visual de linux debian
18:35<cruncher>!es
18:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
18:35<juandkdk>en root
18:36<juandkdk>ok thanks
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18:42<juandkdk> I can write in English. My problem is when entering the GUI in linux debian with root. background alone is and nothing more. If I enter a user works perfectly. The problem arose when installing java 32bit instead of 64bit to install the netbeans. That was the mistake. After that I could not see anything but the root graphical interface. I cooperation could help solve this?
18:45<juandkdk> that happens?
18:46<juandkdk>You are swarming here! could respond
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19:10<juan1>alguien me puede ayudar con un problema en la interfaz grafica ingresando con root?
19:10<juan1>someone can help me with a problem entering the graphical interface with root?
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19:29<dD>How can I find log files for a screen flickering? Is this something that would be registered somewhere?
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19:38<somiaj>dD: if it is the actual gpu it might be in dmesg or xorg log, if it is the monintor itself (more likely) then no logs.
19:39<somiaj>flickering can be a bad refresh rate, or just a faulty cable/connenction to the monintor. I would expect that more than an actual error in the GPU that causes the driver to spit out warnings/errors to logs.
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20:11<llldino>Hey guus, I'm getting an error when I gun scanimage -L "scanimage: simple-watch.c:454: avahi_simple_poll_prepare: Assertion `s->state == STATE_INIT || s->state == STATE_DISPATCHED || s->state == STATE_FAILURE' failed.". Can anyone help me sort this out
20:11<llldino>The problem persists even after service avahi-daemon stop
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20:34<villageidiot>recently reinstalled Debian Jessie on my laptop and I'm having issues getting two finger scrolling to work. I believe it's because synaptic is getting phased out and libinput is becoming the standard. However, libinput doesn't support scrolling and it looks like synaptic isn't fully supported either.
20:34<villageidiot>Reading this artical I gather there's no way to get symantic working on Debian 8. Would someone tell me I'm nuts and to keep hunting or push me in a better direction
20:35<villageidiot>The main site I was looking at was: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
20:35<villageidiot>Has instructions for Debian 6, 7, and 9 but nothing for 8 Jessie
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20:41<sney>villageidiot: jessie should still have synaptics, libinput is staged for the next debian version after this
20:42<sney>also afaik even debian 9 will have both available, it'll just default to installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput
20:42<sney>so the same instructions for wheezy (7) should work for jessie (8) as well
20:43<villageidiot>I have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed but I get the error described for 9 from synclient
20:44<villageidiot>also, there is no folder for /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, I created one and copied synaptic.conf there and rebooted but still no scrolling
20:44<villageidiot>I had debian on this laptop before reformatting it so I know two finger scrolling can work
20:45<villageidiot>maybe I had a package on hold that I can't recall or some extra config but I can't for the life of me find what it might be
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20:46<sney>if synclient is complaining that it can't find the synaptics driver interface then there is something still keeping the driver from loading
20:46<sney>to rule out libinput, it should be safe to remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput
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20:46<villageidiot>agread, unfortunatly I already did that and no change
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20:47<villageidiot>I'm fresh out of ideas so I appriciate you helping me think this through
20:48<sney>I'm actually leaving, but other people here should be able to help. I don't know, maybe there's a kernel module that needs to load
20:49<villageidiot>sney: Thanks for taking the time.
20:49<sney>np
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22:02<vortek>I can't view any web pages that use flash. And i have flash plug in nonfree
22:02<vortek>installed
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22:03<hewl>what is told to you? Does it say "you need to install a plugin" or is it just a blank screen?
22:04<Beep13>Hi all. I'm having a bit of a problem where iptables syntax under Debian doesn't seem to follow any documentation for iptables I can find. specifically, after -j SNAT, both '--to <ip>' and '--to-source <ip>' gives me a "bad argument" error. DNAT works fine. Does anyone know what syntax iptables under Debian requires for SNAT?
22:04<somiaj>vortek: what web browser do you use?
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22:04<vortek>Chromium
22:04<somiaj>vortek: you need to use pepper flash with chromium
22:04<somiaj>!pepperflash
22:04<dpkg>Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
22:05<petn-randall>Beep13: Did you look at the man page provided with the iptables package?
22:05<vortek>heres the error i get You need to install Flash Player to view this broadcast.
22:05<vortek>ahh ok i ge vortek: that
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22:06<Beep13>petn-randall: I couldn't find nat relevant info on 'man iptables', just generic command descriptions.
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22:06<petn-randall>Beep13: At the bottom it refers to 'iptables-extensions(8)', it's a little hard to notice.
22:07<Beep13>I'll check that.
22:07<petn-randall>Beep13: 'man iptables-extensions' will show you that. On jessie, SNAT only takes --to-source.
22:08<Beep13>Ok. Even using "--to-source" gives me a bad argument error.
22:08<petn-randall>Beep13: Can you give us the full iptables line you're trying?
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22:09<Beep13>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p udp -s 127.0.0.1 --sport 35001 -j SNAT –-to-source x.x.x.247:34197
22:09<vortek>thanxs for the help :)
22:10<vortek>man it's taking a while , 1.5 Meg download speed :(
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22:10<jcrain>Beep13: are those the dashes you're using? they're weird.
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22:11<vortek>crappy internet , I'll change that monday :) but anyways thanxs
22:11<petn-randall>Beep13: You're using a long dash in --to-source.
22:11<hewl>in some encoding hyphens are differentiated from minus symbols, so it might be that
22:11<Beep13>It shows as short dashes on my client
22:11<Beep13>and I typed it up in 'nano' which I don't think does long dashes
22:11<petn-randall>Beep13: Type the command by hand, don't copy/paste stuff from the internet. :)
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22:12<Beep13>I did. Hang on, I'll PM you a screenshot.
22:14<Beep13>When I run that, both SNAT lines fail.
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22:15<Beep13>http://puu.sh/rlLHw/768dddfc99.png
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22:18<petn-randall>Beep13: That's not a dash though, the first character is unicode character, the second is a ASCII dash. Type it again.
22:18<Beep13>I just retyped it manually to be safe... same error.
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22:18<Beep13>Hm...
22:18<Beep13>I'll try an entirely new file.
22:19<hewl>Beep13: You're using nano, right? Are you sure you're encoding the file in a compatible format?
22:19<W4ffl3s>^^
22:19<Beep13>This is a pretty fresh install of Debian and I have not changed any settings... but no, I'm not sure.
22:20<hewl>Beep13: Check out the man for nano and see how to change the encoding. Then change it to something the network protocol supports, of which I'm not too certain.
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22:23<Beep13>The file ahs been passed through winSCP a few times from previous servers, which might also have affected encoding...
22:24<hewl>Beep13: A possibility. Have you tried generating a completely new file using nano?
22:24<Beep13>...typing it all in a completely new file did the trick. Ok then, guess that's that. Thanks for the tips
22:24<Beep13>Just did ^^
22:24<Beep13>And it worked
22:24<hewl>Beep13: Aha, excellent.
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22:24<hewl>props to petn-randall for first spotting the long dash instead of hyphen
22:25<W4ffl3s>^^
22:25<W4ffl3s>was about to say the first dash was wrong so didn't take the switch.
22:25<Beep13>To me it does not look like anything but a normal dash o.o I guess it's a good thing for different fonts...
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22:25<hewl>#fixed-width fonts
22:26<Beep13>...now to just hope this ruleset actually does want I want...
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22:52<Logg>How does debian (or any linux distro) make sure package maintainers don't package viruses?
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22:58<hewl>Logg: The distributors look over every package they make available in the repository. So if any were a virus they'd simply be knocked back.
22:59<hewl>Logg: Of course this means some packages are really old in stable, because the newer packages may still have bugs that need to be fixed before they can be included.
23:00<Logg>I don't really understand how it works. Do package maintainers send binaries or just source code and compiler options?
23:00<Logg>and so it's the distributors job to audit the source code?
23:01<W4ffl3s>Source code is audited before it's added to the repositories.
23:01<hewl>Logg: Each distribution does it differently (like Ubuntu basing their packages on Debian stable and simply including their own on top of that), but in general it's up to the distributor to package the source code in a way that it can be built by anyone using their package manager.
23:01<hewl>Logg: Maybe there's an easier way to explain that, read W4ffl3s for a better one.
23:02<Logg>Who audits the auditers...?
23:02<hewl>Logg: You're talking about Debian specifically now, right?
23:03<Logg>we can talk about Debian specifically since this is the Debian channel and it may make it easier to explain.
23:03<hewl>Logg: Their site contains a lot of the information you'd be after, then. https://www.debian.org/intro/about
23:03<Logg>I'll read that before asking anything else, thanks.
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23:04<hewl>Logg: no problem, you can also check out the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/ though that's more practical advise on how to use Debian.
23:05<Logg>yeah these are some pretty nonspecific links, but if I read long enough I might understand why the NSA can't insert an operative at some point to backdoor GCC or whatever
23:05<hewl>Logg: Ah, here. https://www.debian.org/devel/people Those are the people behind Debian, for the most part.
23:07<hewl>Logg: The original founder of Debian passed away about a year ago. Ian Murdock. You can read about that here: https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160105
23:07<Logg>Yeah I remember it
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23:08<hewl>So just out of curiousity, what made you come to Debian?
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23:08<Logg>I've used linux for about 10 years, and I think Debian Stable is the most headache free linux experience available, as long as your hardware has been out long enough to be supported.
23:09<hewl>wow that pretty much summarises my exact reason for switching to Debian as well
23:09<W4ffl3s>Trying to set up raid, get this error: mdadm: Unrecognised md component device - /dev/sdb
23:09<W4ffl3s>Any ideas?
23:11<hewl>Logg: Just an attestment to how stable Debian can be, "[gfrear@ns1 ~]$ uptime
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23:11<hewl>07:19:33 up 2141 days"
23:12<Logg>nice epeen. :P keep the channel open for W4ffl3s though can discuss uptime on #debian-offtopic
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23:12<hewl>oh haha, yeah but I don't believe there's much more to be said about it. I'm not familiar with RAID so I can't offer any advice for that.
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23:15<W4ffl3s>disks are set to raid autodetect but mdadm doesn't recognize them. Just finished repartitioning them from zfs partitions.
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23:18<vortek>I did the steps on the wiki to install pepperflash, and I ran update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --status and it said "browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is already the newest version." I retatred chromium and i cant view flash shites
23:19<hewl>vortek: does pepper flash appear in your list of extensions in Chromium itself?
23:20<vortek>restarted chromium i mean, And I went to https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ to test
23:20<vortek>how can i tell?
23:20<hewl>vortek: I use firefox myself but they should both have an option in their menu that lets you view "Add-ons" or "Extensions". From there you can view plugins/extensions.
23:21<hewl>vortek: In Firefox it is Menu>Add-Ons>Plugins
23:21<vortek>k
23:22<Logg>chrome://plugins
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23:25<vortek>yea[ its there
23:26<vortek>But can't view webpages still
23:26<hewl>vortek: so you used a command similar to "aptitude install pepperflashplugin-nonfree browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash" to install it?
23:29<vortek>yeah
23:29<vortek>but let me verify
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23:30<hewl>vortek: and you're sure the extension is ENABLED in Chromium?
23:30<vortek>browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed
23:30<hewl>vortek: just as a side note, I'd use something else other than Shockwave to test if flash is working.
23:30<vortek>ahh ok hehe
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23:31<hewl>vortek: was it disabled?
23:31<vortek>hewl: no
23:32<vortek>but i hewl: went to another sit and it worked
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23:32<hewl>vortek: aha, so what you're lacking is a shockwave player, not a flash player.
23:32<hewl>vortek: but remember a lot of websites are making the move to HTML5 in place of Flash to play videos.
23:33<hewl>vortek: so really it just depends on which sites you plan on using
23:33<vortek>i know
23:33<hewl>vortek: anyway, it's all turned out well. I'm gonna hop off, see you later.
23:33<vortek>it works now !
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23:34<vortek>i can finaly watch my live techno dj crap
23:34<vortek>hehe
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23:36<awal1>vortek, browser-plugin-reshplayer-pepperflash is just a wrapper for use pepperflashplugin-nonfree with firefox
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23:37<vortek>ah
23:37<vortek>;)
23:37<Logg>might be able to paste the link to whatever stream you're watching into vlc or mpv
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23:37<awal1>you only need to update pepperflash
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23:38<awal1>pepperflashlugin-nonfree ^
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23:45<vortek>thanxs for the help
23:46<W4ffl3s>awal1, familiar with mdadm?
23:46<vortek>I love debian with it's free live tech support
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