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00:28<aidalgol>In this example ACL, i user bob's effective access rwx or just w? http://paste.grml.org/2836/
00:29<aidalgol>I'm not entirely clear on whether the "user:bob" line is combined with or overides the "other::" line.
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01:29<R4F_Debian>Hi all
01:31<R4F_Debian>Please, I'd like to know which file system is more suitable for building a Data Storage Server using Debian GNU/Linux Jessie 8.6 (amd64)
01:32<R4F_Debian>I think about XFS, I "think" it should be more adequate for this case, but not sure about it yet
01:36<somiaj>For most uses ext4 is just fine and is very well tested on linux.
01:37<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj, happy to see you again at this time ! :)
01:38<somiaj>http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Filesystems-Benchmarked -- there are some benchmarks. Though a lot may depend on what kinda data you actually have.
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01:39<R4F_Debian>.pdf files. .odt files. .mp4 files, .mp3 files, FLAC files full hd 720 p video files
01:39<R4F_Debian>and .png files
01:41<somiaj>I doubt you'll get much gain from using other file systems. I would stick with ext4 if it were me.
01:41<R4F_Debian>it looks quite interesting information source about the subject this online magazine. Thanks a lot for that somiaj :)
01:42<R4F_Debian>Please, somiaj, have you been running home servers using Debian with ext4 , more or less as the same way I intend here ?
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01:43<somiaj>R4F_Debian: I've been happy with ext4 and see little reason to change. I don't think you'll notice that much of a difference between the file systems you choose for a home server.
01:44<somiaj>but I haven't ever been in an enterprise situation with tons of data were another file system would could off a substantial improvment.
01:44<R4F_Debian>good, and there is the advantage using ext4, instead of others, for it is the most well tested file system for Linux, that is right ?
01:45<R4F_Debian>yes, and that's not the case here, using it in an enterprise landscape
01:45<somiaj>correct, it is the linux standard filesystem that has been well tested. I think ease of being able to recover data is worth any speed increase. And some of the fancier features like snapshots and the like you can do with lvm.
01:47<somiaj>but my limited understanding is in terms of preformance you won't see much difference until it is tons of data, or data that is tons of tiny files or lots of very large files. Your collection will be a mix.
01:47<R4F_Debian>I thought it was zfs on linux or xfs for this purpose, but after your explanation, I will switch to ext4 , and if need snapshots, I have logical volume manager option.
01:49<R4F_Debian>I see, somiaj, but your experience for me speaks louder. I decided for ext4 thanks your analysis. You don't give Debian Support here without logical reasons, I'm sure about that :)
01:50<R4F_Debian>installing zol and configuring through dkms was making me to feel not secure. And ZFS is not native in Debian as ext4 is
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01:51<somiaj>R4F_Debian: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/33552/htg-explains-which-linux-file-system-should-you-choose/
01:51<somiaj>R4F_Debian: that may help give you some idea of the other features. But I would stick with the defaults.
01:51<somiaj>yea zfs is new on linux in general.
01:51<R4F_Debian>xfs is native, but as I said: your point of view is definitive.And you use Debian with ext4 for a long time too. Quite important for me this comment
01:52<R4F_Debian>Perfect ! ext4 is the best choice for me
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01:53<R4F_Debian>I must go now, it's late here, but I'm happy and proud for your Great Support, somiaj ! :) Thanks a lot for that !
01:54<R4F_Debian>you always get me out of hell, hahaha :)
01:54<R4F_Debian>Thanks again, Dear Warrior ! See you ! :)
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02:10<hewl>Hi. About half the time I put my computer into stand-by or hibernate, when it resumes it comes to a completely white screen with just the mouse (like the X server has crashed) but I can still use certain shortcuts like "Present Windows" to see what applications are still open (albeit, they're all blank).
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02:19<HiTree>Hi! I'm using lvmcache on a root device. Is there any way to cleanly unmount it before rebooting? (Stop cache rebuild on boot)
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02:29<ow333n>Hey, I am installing Debian right now on my Chromebook. There is no CD ROM. Is it fine to just keep going and skip the CD part?
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02:32<hewl>HiTree: Wouldn't "umount <path/to/device>" successfully do that?
02:32<hewl>ow333n: How are you installing Debian then if without a CD ROM?
02:32<HiTree>root fs can't be unmounted. always open files...
02:34<hewl>HiTree: You would have to access the system from an program not stored on that device then, eg. a Live CD
02:34<HiTree>yes, but I want my running system support this in every day use...
02:35<HiTree>something like a initramfs would be needed I guess... ro-mounting isn't enought.
02:35<hewl>HiTree: What you can do is then install the operating system on another device and boot that to be able to unmount the original device. You should also be able to do this with logical partitions, however you can't be using the original operating system as you unmount it.
02:35<ow333n>hewl: USB
02:36<hewl>ow333n: What step are you at? If it's "install from additional media" then you can skip that, that's for additional hardware that came with their drivers on disc such as printers. You'll still be able to print.
02:37<ow333n>Skipped "Detect and mount CD-ROM" and "Load installer components from CD"
02:37<ow333n>I assume installer components are pretty important, haha
02:38<HiTree>hewl: I know... the question was if it is possible to do this with a root-fs?
02:38<hewl>ow333n: So you're going from the expert installation, then? What that step does is look for a CD drive and then test it to see if the Debian CD-ROM is in it. There's no harm in running it, but it probably won't find anything if there's no CD-ROM. I would suggest for you to run it anyway.
02:39<ow333n>Okay. I booted the USB and it just says "Install" so I did that one. Apparently there wasn't enough memory for the graphical install.
02:39<hewl>HiTree: I don't think it's possible. Things change very rapidly, however, and this may have changed from some utility or something, but to my knowledge you can't run an operating system and unmount its fs while using it.
02:39<HiTree>hewl: is it possible to do something like initramfs for boot for shotdown too?
02:39<HiTree>s/shotdown/shutdown
02:39<hewl>HiTree: However, there are certain distributions that can run entirely from RAM, such as Puppy Linux.
02:40<HiTree>hewl: I like my debian system :-)
02:40<hewl>HiTree: It might be possible with Debian. You'd have to do more research on the topic as I can't say I'm too familiar with it, I've never tried to actually run an operating system entirely from RAM (except for Live CDs).
02:42<hewl>ow333n: What are the specs of the Chromebook you are trying to install to?
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02:43<ow333n>hewl: So, do I skip the "Detect and mount CD-ROM," "Load installer components from CD," "Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity?" I tried loading from "removable drives" but it didn't work. I have an Acer C720, 1.4GHz processor, 2GB of RAM, 128MB of onboard graphical RAM
02:46<ow333n>I should try expert install
02:46<hewl>ow333n: If you've booted into the installer then all the base files for installing Debian are already accessible. It depends on a few things what you can install from then on; if you got the minimal distribution image then you can only install base debian without a desktop environment.
02:47<hewl>ow333n: conversely if you got the standard image then you can install Debian with a desktop environment (you'll be asked for which when you get to it)
02:47<hewl>ow333n: So I ask you which distribution image you are using to install.
02:47<ow333n>Here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
02:48<hewl>ow333n: That is a minimal one. You can choose to simply boot the installer using the USB drive and then continue installation from a CD-ROM inserted into your computer.
02:49<hewl>ow333n: This is for situations where the kernal isn't properly detecting the hardware and can be a workaround for it. This is not the case for you, so you can ignore it.
02:49<hewl>ow333n: HOWEVER, the minimal install will not install a desktop environment. It will install base debian, which is a command prompt. You want to install a desktop environment (graphical user interface), right?
02:49<HiTree>ow333n: How big is your USB-stick?
02:50<ow333n>8GB. And I would prefer to start with a desktop environment, but I intend to install i3 to replace it
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02:50<ow333n>So might as well tough it out with the prompt
02:50<hewl>ow333n: Ok, have you already successfully connected to the internet yet in the installer?
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02:51<ow333n>hewl: Hold on, which "install" do I do? There are a lot of advanced options and then there is just a button that says "install," don't know which one
02:51<ow333n>Sorry this is my first time using Debian
02:52<hewl>ow333n: Ah, sorry I had presumed you already had gotten into the installer. So at this point all you've done is inserted the media and booted to it?
02:52<ow333n>hewl: Yeah
02:53<HiTree>ow333n: have you found the installer manual? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
02:53<hewl>ow333n: This is a Chromebook, right? On some models there are preliminary steps you must perform before being able to install another operating system onto it. Such as activating developer mode.
02:53<ow333n>hewl: Yeah, I've done those.
02:53<hewl>ow333n: Have you done any of this yet, and do you know if you need to?
02:53<ow333n>However, I haven't deleted all the partitions already existing. Does the installer do this?\
02:54<hewl>ow333n: If you want it to, yes. You can also command it to create a new partition and install itself onto that, however there isn't a way to command it to shrink an already existing partition to create a new one. That needs to be done beforehand.
02:54<HiTree>ow333n: give the installmanual a try.
02:54<ow333n>HiTree: Yeah I'm there now
02:55<hewl>ow333n: You might also find this of interest: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/C710-2615-Chromebook
02:55<hewl>ow333n: Just be aware that is for C710, not C720.
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02:57<hewl>ow333n: "Debian Wheezy works but occasionally applications would crash, and the system was generally unstable sometimes restarting spontaneaously." This may have change with Jessie, the current version of Debian.
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03:11<ow333n>Alright so the rest of this install is in the terminal, right ?
03:12<ow333n>Under, "looking for the Debian installer image," isn't what I'm booting into the installer image????
03:13<hewl>ow333n: Yes.
03:13<hewl>ow333n: The installer then reads the components available from where it booted from and present those available steps to you.
03:13<hewl>ow333n: As long as you go in a top-to-bottom order (text based installer) you shouldn't encounter issues.
03:14<hewl>ow333n: Don't worry about that previous statement if you aren't using the expert installer.
03:14<hewl>ow333n: You can choose either a graphical installer on a text-based installer. There is no terminal.
03:15<hewl>*or
03:15<ow333n>I mean shell
03:15<ow333n>The step before "abort the installation" is "execute a shell"
03:16<hewl>ow333n: It is not shell. What happens is you choose your options by either mouse (graphical) or keyboard (text-based) navigation. You don't have to type anything in either (with the exception of your username, password, etc.)
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03:17<hewl>ow333n: Oh, about that. It launches an interactive shell. Normally it shouldn't appear as an option. It didn't when I installed.
03:17<ow333n>Huh. All I've got is shell and abort the installation. The only thing I did before this was choose language, keyboard, locale, and it looked for a CD but that failed.
03:17<hewl>ow333n: Also it shouldn't be "abort the installation", it should read "finish the installation". You may not have finished yet.
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03:18<ow333n>Well in order to finish, I have to run a bunch of setup commands in the shell, correct?
03:18<ow333n>Mount my file system, install base system, etc
03:18<hewl>ow333n: You can do that, but you shouldn't have to. The installer does that. They should be steps you can select in the installer before leaving it.
03:19<hewl>ow333n: Are you in expert installation? What does your screen read (roughly)?
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03:20<ow333n>I just selected "install." It says: "Choose the next step in the install process:", "Choose language", "Configure the keyboard", "Load installer components from CD", "Change debconf priority", "Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity", "Save debug logs", "Execute a shell", "Abort the installation"
03:20<ow333n>That's all
03:20<hewl>ow333n: Select "load installer components from CD". What happens?
03:20<ow333n>Maybe I made my USB wrong? Don't know
03:21<hewl>ow333n: Just to note there should be many more steps there than what you've written.
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03:21<ow333n>"No common CD-ROM drive was detected. You may need to load additional CD-ROM drivers from removable media....." "Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media?"
03:22<hewl>ow333n: Select no.
03:22<hewl>or skip, whichever
03:22<ow333n>"Manually select a CD-ROM module and device?"
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03:23<hewl>ow333n: I never got to that point, but I did also install via netinstall on a USB device. This isn't the same process as my memory.
03:24<hewl>ow333n: What I'm saying is this is different to what I did. If you go to manually select a device what is listed?
03:25<ow333n>It asks me to load a specific module - "none, cdrom"
03:25<hewl>ow333n: Select none.
03:25<ow333n>For device file for accessing CD-ROM, it has /dev/sdb1, my USB
03:25<hewl>ow333n: If that brings you back to the installation step selection, do the same things we did just now again but select "cdrom" instead of none.
03:26<hewl>ow333n: Also are you 100% sure that there's nothing there which mentions connecting to the internet?
03:27<ow333n>Yeah, nothing.
03:27<hewl>ow333n: proceed with what I said before then.
03:28<ow333n>Didn't work
03:28<ow333n>I tried doing graphical install, "Not enough memory to load specified image" B(
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03:29<hewl>ow333n: Are you in expert mode or normal?
03:29<ow333n>hewl: I'm trying expert mode now, seeing if it makes a difference
03:29<hewl>ow333n: Yes, I'd say try the other mode no matter what you said.
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03:32<ow333n>hewl: Don't know what's going on, it keeps giving me an option to manually put in where I *could* find the CD-ROM driver
03:33<ow333n>I think I figured it out.
03:33<ow333n>I have wireless, not wired.
03:33<ow333n>B (
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03:35<hewl>ow333n: That shouldn't matter. I was able to install using a 3rd party wireless USB dongle modem with propriety firmwared installed and it worked fine.
03:35<hewl>ow333n: What I'm saying is the installer can handle all that stuff.
03:36<hewl>ow333n: How about this, you get the normal size distribution image and install everything from there?
03:36<hewl>ow333n: The netinstall requires a connection to download all the packages you need (aside base Debian) whethers the normal image provides a few basic desktop environments to choose from (you can still select nothing at all if you wish to build your own).
03:36<ow333n>Yeah, trying that now.
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03:38<ow333n>Trying to switch from Arch to Debian, hoping it will be more stable I guess
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03:41<hewl>ow333n: Oh wow you installed Arch? Debian should be far easier then.
03:41<ow333n>hewl: I think the guide for Debian is less detailed
03:41<ow333n>For installation
03:42<hewl>ow333n: I understand why you may have thought you needed to go into shell to install. For Debian the installer handles all of that, even the bootloader.
03:42<ow333n>hewl: OK. Hopefully this will work
03:42<hewl>ow333n: What utility are you using to create the bootable USBs, by the way?
03:42<ow333n>rufus
03:43<ow333n>that's what I'm using for this one. I used a different one last time
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03:46<hewl>ow333n: I wonder if that's on the list of officially support USB creators, let me check.
03:46<blast007>ow333n: the Debian install ISOs can just be written directly to a flash drive https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
03:47<ow333n>blast007: I'm on Windows
03:47<blast007>!rufus
03:47<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
03:48<blast007>use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ instead
03:48<hewl>thank you blast007
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03:48<ow333n>My trackpad doesn't work B(
03:49<hewl>ow333n: That is ok. You should be able to fix that later with Synaptics or xinput. If you're booting in you can install.
03:50<ow333n>What is my "domain name?"
03:50<ow333n>I don
03:50<ow333n>Can I just make something up?
03:50<hewl>ow333n: Anything you want. It's a personal computer, right?
03:50<ow333n>Yeah
03:51<hewl>ow333n: The Windows equivalent would be when you go into My Computer>Properties>Sharing>Computer name
03:51<hewl>ow333n: It's what other devices on the network would see your computer as, if they support names in place of IPs.
03:52<hewl>ow333n: Ultimately not that important at all. You can even leave it default. Might get confusing with multiple computers, though.
03:53<ow333n>Alright I'm installing the base system
03:53<ow333n>pretty easy so far, much easier than Arch l0l
03:53<ow333n>Although I am in the graphical installer
03:53<blast007>the text installer is pretty much the same as the graphical
03:53<hewl>ow333n: Cool. You did create this USB using something other than Rufus, right? I also recommend checking the image for integrity, if the option is presented to you.
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03:54<ow333n>I made it during Rufus, it was already going by the time you said it should be something else sorry
03:55<hewl>ow333n: I would strongly recommend checking for integrity, then. You should be able to do that by backing to the installation step selection menu and then select "Check for integrity".
03:55<hewl>ow333n: If it's in the process of installing, though, don't halt it.
03:55<ow333n>Okay thanks.
03:57<ow333n>Is it worth even installing the debian desktop environment if I'm going to replace it with i3?
03:57<hewl>ow333n: That option always confused me. I suggest you install a desktop environment if you've never manually installed one yourself, but coming from Arch you probably have. You can press SPACE to deselect it and move on, or just click it if in graphical.
03:58<hewl>ow333n: To be more concise, you should be ok without one.
03:58<ow333n>Alright cool. Thanks
03:58<hewl>ow333n: I would suggest otherwise if you're unfamiliar with setting up the environment.
03:58<ow333n>gotta get used to apt-get tho
03:58<hewl>ow333n: I know that installing Xorg and the background daemons can get pretty hectic.
03:59<hewl>ow333n: man apt-get is your friend, then. I'm gonna hop off for now but you should still be able to find more help if you need it.
04:00<ow333n>Thanks for all the help. Really appreciate it.
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04:20<ow333n>Can someone help me out? I'm installing sudo right now. It says "media change: please insert the disc labeled [install USB]" Why?
04:22<ow333n>I got it nvm
04:23<blast007>ow333n: you removed/commented the line from /etc/apt/sources.list that referenced the USB stick and ran 'apt-get update'?
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04:25<ow333n>blast007: Yes
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04:51<ow333n>I'm having some trouble connecting to wifi. Can someone help? I have network-manager installed but not sure how to configure
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04:52<blast007>can you locate the wifi card in the output of 'lspci -nn'? might need additional firmware
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04:55<benjamin>how to install intel graphic driver on debian8.5?
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05:00<blast007>benjamin: which intel chip do you have?
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05:04<vortek>ow333n: what specificaly do you need help with? is the card not showing up? or you can't connect o a network?
05:05<vortek>or anything else?
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05:07<ow333n>vortek: I can only connect using "ifup wlan0" on restart
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05:08<vortek>did you try right clicking on the network-manager and selecting the wifi network without typing that?
05:08<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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05:14<vortek>:D
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05:31<lluis>is there any "official guide" like in debian.org or the wiki for installing debian into an usb? i found this (https://verahill.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html) but maybe it's outdated and i need to know how to do it (if there is no info into the wiki or debian.org i will create it) at the wiki
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05:36<blast007>lluis: are you wanting a system that works like the Live DVDs?
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05:44<lluis>blast007, no
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05:45<lluis>blast007, i want to have like a live usb with preinstalled packages like the website i posted
05:46<lluis>blast007, and to be able to install more packages and when i shutdown my computer the live usb remians that packages installed
05:47<blast007>let me rephrase then - do you want it to act like a normal installed system where all changes are written directly to the disk and persist?
05:47<lluis>blast007, YES
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05:48<blast007>is there something wrong with the normal install instructions then?
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05:49<lluis>blast007, you have to do like the website i posted i think no?
05:50<blast007>I don't see why the official install instructions wouldn't work
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05:51<blast007>just keep in mind that some/most USB sticks don't like a lot of writes
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05:51<lluis>blast007, aha ok
05:51<blast007>also, it is possible to make a custom live image that includes extra software
05:52<lluis>is there any instructions for that?
05:52<lluis>*are
05:52<blast007>https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
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05:54<blast007>that would not persist changes but would still let you have extra software packages installed by default. (and there might be a way to have persistent changes with a live environment - never tried)
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05:54<lluis>so maybe is better to have an installed debian into the usb
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06:01<hamidi>hi all
06:02<Beep13>hiya
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06:04<hamidi>i've a problem with virtualbox in jessie
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06:05<hewl>hamidi: feel free to just ask away, that's what this channel is for
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06:06<hamidi>thx. i've guake and it brings up with F12. i need it to work everywhere, even when i'm in my client window (xp in virtualbox).
06:06<hamidi>before, when i used ubuntu, this happened. but now that i've changed the OS to jessie, F12 is sent to winxp.
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06:07<hewl>hamidi: I'm sorry, what's guake? And by F12, you mean you've made a shortcut with F12 on your keyboard?
06:07<hamidi>its more reasonable to be sent to winxp though, but i don't know why it didn't happen in ubuntu. my friend who has installed ubuntu on the other system also has not the problem like me before.
06:08<hamidi>guake is a terminal which is activated/deactivated by F12. it's its default shortcut which is defined by the guake itself in the whole system.
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06:09<hamidi>for this, i don't need to use Alt+Tab to switch to terminal. i've terminal everywhere by just pressing F12.
06:10<hewl>hamidi: Which virtual OS software are you using? They usually have a setting so that certain keys are always treated as if they were pressed in the "host" system.
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06:10<hamidi>winxp
06:10<hewl>hamidi: For instance, right control in VMware is always considered by the host computer. It can be used to bring you out of the guest system.
06:11<hewl>hamidi: What are you using to virtualise winxp, is what I'm asking.
06:11<hamidi>i see. it's virtualbox
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06:11<hamidi>i told b4
06:11<hewl>Go into your settings for Virtualbox, and you should be able to set it. There might be a way to do it so it only applies specifically to the winxp one too, but I think you'd want this to be global.
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06:12<hewl>hamidi: Ah yes, sorry. I missed that.
06:12<hamidi>np, where is settings?
06:12<hamidi>and whether it's in preferences of the virtualbox or in the settings of the machine?
06:12<hewl>hamidi: It should be File->Preferences->Input
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06:13<hamidi>ok, now i'm there. what to change?
06:13<hewl>hamidi: This might help out http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html#specialcharacters
06:14<hewl>You can make it so that when F12 is pressed, it's sent to your host system instead of the guest system.
06:14<hamidi>how?
06:15<hewl>hamidi: I was just going off of memory for that part, I don't actually remember what the interface looked like. I'm skimming through the manual now.
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06:15<hamidi>it seems that no custom shortcut maybe defined. just may define shortcut keys for available commands
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06:16<hewl>hamidi: Is there a way to get to "auto-capture keyboard"?
06:16<hamidi>yeah. it's a checkbox
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06:17<hewl>hamidi: Oh, and I guess it's a checkbox for every pre-defined keymap?
06:17<hamidi>if i uncheck it i've to click on the screen to capture keyboard when i switch to winxp
06:17<hamidi>this is not what i want
06:17<hewl>hamidi: I understand.
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06:18<hewl>hamidi: What you can do as a quick workaround is to redefine what key brings up guake in your host system to be one of the predefined shortcuts you can use in Virtualbox, eg. Ctrl+Alt+Del, though that means you'll lose out on using that shortcut permanently in your host system until you change it again.
06:19<hewl>hamidi: By any chance does Ctrl+Alt+F12 bring up guake?
06:20<hamidi>Ctrl+Alt+F12 is handled by the system and takes the DE out
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06:20<hamidi>i may change F12 shortcut
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06:21<hewl>hamidi: If you don't need all the available terminals in Debian, you can just change the shortcut to access say terminal 3 (Ctrl+Alt+F3) to open up guake instead.
06:21<hewl>hamidi: How to do that, however, I'm not too sure about. That's editing shortcuts on basically a kernel level.
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06:24<hamidi>hmm, let me describe what i did. i tried to change the guake shortcut to F11, but all shortcuts of virtualbox should be define as Host+...
06:24<hamidi>so i can't use F11 or F12 as keys which be handled by virtualbox instead of guest
06:25<hewl>hamidi: Host+... is a shortcut read by Virtualbox, who then passes a specified key combo to your host system. You should be able to tell it to send one of the predefined ones, such as Ctrl+Alt+F3, to be sent.
06:25<hewl>hamidi: And then your host OS should be configured to interpret Ctrl+Alt+F3 to open guake instead of switching to terminal 3. For example.
06:26<hewl>hamidi: That is a really long warped way of saying, that is correct.
06:26<hamidi>let's forget Ctrl+Alt+F... and let it be reserved for the system
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06:27<hewl>hamidi: the best you could configure it to would be Host+F12.
06:27<hewl>hamidi: Is that close enough?
06:27<hamidi>i think virtualbox doesn't pass Host+... to host. just handle it itself and doesn't let it to be passed to guest
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06:29<hewl>hamidi: I am rereading the manual and I think I misread it. Combinations like Ctrl+Alt+Del are ALWAYS read by the host
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06:29<hewl>and Virtualbox has nothing to do with that. It never, in any case, passes any key combo to the host. It just lets the host interpret it first.
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06:30<hewl>hamidi: So what you're after then is some way to disable the keyboard capture of F12 specifically, and for that I do not know how to do.
06:30<hewl>hamidi: Maybe someone has written an extension that does just that? Have you tried looking for that?
06:31<hamidi>i've not googlized yet. i think chatting with expert has a better conclusion :)
06:32<hamidi>in ubuntu i had lost F12 when i were in guest for visual studio to "go to definition"
06:32<hewl>hamidi: Very true, I'm not the most experienced with Virtualbox. I used it a long time ago.
06:32<hamidi>i don't know and is wonderful for me why is would be handled by host!!!
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06:33<hewl>hamidi: But wait, can't you just press Host to draw keyboard focus back to your host computer, and then release and press F12?
06:33<hamidi>yes. this is the most thing i may do
06:33<hewl>hamidi: It's a suboptimal solution but at least it works.
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06:34<hamidi>but mentally i used to just press F12 everywhere
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06:34<hamidi>yeah
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06:34<hewl>hamidi: You might get better feedback if you go specifically to Virtualbox's irc/forum.
06:34<hamidi>with this i don't loose F12 for VS too
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06:34<hamidi>ok, what's the channel name?
06:34<hewl>hamidi: The Debian wiki has an entry on Virtualbox, https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox though that's more about installation.
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06:40<hamidi>thx now i'm going to googlize
06:40<hewl>hamidi: Virtualbox's irc is hosted on another server, irc.freenode.org on channel #vbox.
06:41<hamidi>merci
06:41<hewl>hamidi: Sorry about that delay, took me a while to find it haha. Best of luck with it!
06:41<hamidi>thank you very much
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06:42<hamidi>i should enter '/server irc.freenode.org' ?
06:43<hamidi>syntax of the command seems not to be correct
06:43<hamidi>SERVER Not enough parameters
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06:45<hewl>hamidi: That is more about your personal irc client than Debian. Do you want to bring this to #off-topic?
06:46<hewl>hamidi: my apologies, #debian-offtopic
06:46<hamidi>i'm at https://webchat.oftc.net/ now
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06:47<blast007>you might not be able to switch servers with webchat. freenode, however, has their own web chat. http://webchat.freenode.net/
06:47<hamidi>oh ic. thx
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06:51<hewl>anyone here know how to transition from x-server to wayland?
06:52<bremner>step 1: rewrite all the software you need so that it works on wayland
06:53<hewl>bremner: not so much from a developer's point of view, but just a user. I want to switch mainly because of v-sync issues with x-server. Would XWayland be able to help me keep the packages I currently have installed running?
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06:57<bremner>in theory yes. I don't know how well tested this is.
06:58<hewl>bremner: I'm aware that it's still very "in development", but honestly I would prefer to introduce instability to my system than to suffer eternal v-sync issues.
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07:11<TobiX>hewl: Maybe try a wayland-based live system first and then try to find out what to do to get your normal system to that state?
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07:13<hewl>TobiX: Not a bad idea. What distribution currently supports Live CD and defaults to Wayland? I guess that's something I should just search myself.
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07:16<vortek>i got gnome wayland on here
07:16<TobiX>hewl: KDE Neon (dev/unstable only) was planning to switch: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/kde-neon-devunstable-switching-to-wayland-by-default/
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07:17<vortek>i forgo how i got it, but i can select it when starting x
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07:21<hewl>"ubuntu-based". thanks for the help anyway
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07:24<hewl>vortek: wait hold up, you mean your dm lets you choose your xorg server, AND your environment?
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07:49<vortek>hewl: kind of
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07:50<hewl>vortek: Please explain. My understanding is that changing from x-server to wayland is a one-way thing, and both can't co-exist.
07:51<vortek>right before i log in i click the little gear, from there i can select gnome, or gnome wayland, Or Mate , no option for mate with wayland though
07:52<hewl>vortek: So Gnome has built in support to use either x-server or wayland? Interesting. That means x-server and wayland can both be installed at the same time.
07:52<vortek>well it did for me heh
07:52<hewl>vortek: And you don't remember how you got that?
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07:52<vortek>but im not sure if this is ideal for a setup
07:52<vortek>no
07:53<hewl>vortek: Oh well, time to learn how to compile.
07:53<vortek>i though i installed some wayland stuff a wile ago
07:54<vortek>dam the commands i ran arenot in my bash_histoory either :(
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07:55<hewl>vortek: RIP. Thank you for the effort anyway. There seems to be adequate documentation on how to build on Ubuntu's wiki, however I'm still not familiar with it.
07:55<vortek>try #wayland ?
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07:56<hewl>woah they have that channel on this server?
07:56<vortek>thats not a channel
07:56<vortek>i forget what server i was on
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07:59<vortek>hewl: go here #wayland on freenode
08:00<vortek>you know what freenode is right?
08:00<hewl>vortek: Ah, thank you. Yes, I'm familiar with freenode.
08:00<vortek>go here also https://wayland.freedesktop.org/
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08:01<hewl>I've got a tab on that right now. Still sifting through the information.
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08:03<vortek>Debian testing has Wayland in it
08:03<vortek>i run testing usualy but don't recoment it to newbies
08:03<vortek>but for the most part testis stableng
08:03<hewl>vortek: 1. I didn't even think it would be on unstable. 2. There isn't a way to install test packages on stable... is there?
08:04<vortek>i think thee is but not sure one sec
08:06<vortek>you have to edit lots of files and change stuff
08:06<hewl>vortek: I'm willing to do that, but I want to be sure it wouldn't affect the rest of my packages and that I'd still be getting most of them from stable (mainly security patches).
08:08<vortek>you can do it , but im trying o find a debian official gude for ya
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08:08<hewl>vortek: And then there's the whole fact that I'm using Qt as my primary ... I'm not even sure what you'd call it but it's selected in my themes to draw all windows.
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08:13<vortek>https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences USE AT YOUr OWN RISK , i mean this is a debian based guide, I never used it so just be carefull. rea the whole guide to the bottum and fallow its instructions
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08:13<vortek>thta guide will alow you to install testing on youor nomal bulld
08:15<hewl>vortek: I'm also looking at http://wiki.qt.io/QtWayland . I have Qt4 installed, not Qt5, I don't even think I could install it and use it without downloading the later Qt5 packages from unstable/testing as well.
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08:15<vortek>i dont understand. couuld ya rephrase that?
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08:16<vortek>ohhh
08:16<hewl>vortek: Right now I'm using the KDE Plasma variant with a Kwin window manager and its internal compositor.
08:16<vortek>cool
08:16<hewl>Kwin is set to use Qt4 to draw all of its windows, which I prefer because of the extremely in
08:16<vortek>k
08:17<hewl>-depth customisation you get with it. It's got very nice transparency too. But all of the packages have come from backports for stable, so they're pretty old.
08:17<vortek>ahh
08:18<hewl>vortek: Basically, I'd have to install Debian testing to properly get wayland working. Which I don't want to do, because I want a stable operating system.
08:18<vortek>thats why i run teting hehe i get more up2 date packages "not a new as unstable, but with less bugs"
08:18<vortek>yeah if your a newbie i recomend stable
08:19<hewl>vortek: Also security vulnerabilities. But honestly I don't think they're that bad, not many people even make viruses that target Debian.
08:19<vortek>if your confortable with debian and inux and know how too google for solutions then maybe try testing
08:19<vortek>true
08:19<hewl>vortek: I'll consider it, definitely. Thank you for your help, vortek.
08:19<vortek>well for starters , is this a home computer?
08:20<vortek>cuase you can iinstall a script that will auto config and install a firewall for you
08:20<hewl>vortek: Yeah, mostly just to organise all my thousands of files and work. I wouldn't want it crashing on me after I've spent two hours coding a program or something.
08:20<vortek>that will stop about 90
08:20<vortek>90% of hackers
08:21<hewl>Doesn't stable also have a firewall by default too?
08:21<vortek>and 99% of automated worms
08:21<vortek>yes
08:21<vortek>is your machine a hom comuter?
08:21<hewl>vortek: Yes.
08:21<petn-randall>vortek: Uhm, no, it doesn't?
08:22<petn-randall>vortek: stable doesn't come with a firewall by default.
08:22<vortek>oh defualt yeah
08:22<petn-randall>You have to choose one and install it by hand if you want one.
08:22<vortek>i meeant he can install one
08:22<hewl>oh
08:22<hewl>I should probably do that asap
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08:23<vortek>arno-iptables-firewall
08:23<petn-randall>Firewalls aren't that relevant for desktop systems, but quite important IMO on servers. But you still have to think about what you actually want to firewall and what not. Just installing one won't improve security.
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08:24<vortek>that porgram will ask you a few questions and auto config the firewall for you
08:25<vortek>it will stop script kiddies from haking you
08:25<hewl>I have been tainted by Microsoft, my friend. My understanding was that firewalls can prevent malicious softwares from connecting to the internet if they somehow managed to get in, ala another layer of protection from identity theft.
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08:25<vortek>i recomend shutting down services you dont use #1
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08:25<vortek>then i recomend compiling kernel with security features thn firewall
08:26<vortek>and port scan detector
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08:27<petn-randall>vortek: "compiling kernel with security features"? And what features should that be?
08:27<vortek>and Fail2ban to ban if you like
08:27<hewl>Isn't the kernel unchangeable? That it's just the base for allowing the OS to communicate to the hardware?
08:28<vortek>petn-randall: i cant remeber i havent compiled in a while but first you have to decide on grsec or what security model
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08:28<vortek>you can customize th kernel a lot!
08:28<vortek>but thats not for newbies to do
08:29<hewl>I wouldn't want to take on such a task, not until at least I understand exactly how Debian works.
08:29<petn-randall>vortek: Please only recommend things if you understand what they do and if they help.
08:29<vortek>yeah good idea
08:30<vortek>petn-randall: i didn't reomend it did i?
08:30<vortek>scrols u hehe
08:30<petn-randall>hewl: I'd go with the stock kernel provided by Debian, as it receives security updates regularly. You only need to compile a kernel if you a) need hardware support the stock kernel doesn't provide b) You want to compile it with special flags for some obscure corner cases
08:31<hewl>ok, so is there a way to configure a firewall so it works similar to how Windows dealt with connections? That is, by default all /programs/ are blocked and if they attempt to access the internet, the user is asked for permission and then the settings are saved.
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08:31<CutMeOwnThroat>no… and that doesn't make as much sense under linux as under windows
08:32<petn-randall>vortek: 14:25 < vortek > then i recomend compiling kernel with security features thn firewall
08:32<petn-randall>vortek: The scroll log is your friend.
08:32<vortek>petn-randall: does the debian have nsa se linux compiled in
08:32<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: I understand. So a more rudimentary firewall would work then? One that only allows packets that you've pre-emptively specified to go through?
08:34<vortek>petn-randall: oh i was just explaining stuff i should of said that .. i mean dont install this im just exlainng it
08:34<CutMeOwnThroat>and I don't think there's any architecture/infrastructure in place that would allow users to set the kernel firewall just for their own packages
08:35<hewl>ok I think I'm more understanding now. The firewall isn't as crucial as it was in Windows because Debian has security updates.
08:35<vortek>does the debian defual kernel have Security options [*] Enable different security models [*] Socket and Networking Security Hooks wnabled
08:35<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, kernel firewall is usually just for preventing outside-world packages to come in… and that's indeed most often better solved by not running daemons [on the outside interface] that you don't need or don't want visible on the outside
08:36<vortek>and does the defualt kernel hav and selinux securty enabled
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08:37<vortek>i usualy shut down everything on my computer all remote services
08:37<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, no, windows has security updates too… it's just that the administrative account and the user accounts aren't as muddled up as with windows… and you mostly get *all* your software from the debian repos, and not from some fishy website that may have been google hit #1 by pure chance (or malice)
08:37<vortek>but im the a personal pc user
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08:37<hewl>I need to see what daemons are running, then. Avahi.
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08:38<vortek>CutMeOwnThroat: good point
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08:38<petn-randall>vortek: You can easily check the kernel config from the stock kernel in /boot/config-*.
08:38<vortek>i used to edit something decade or so ago tht told ya every thing running but i forgot what it was
08:39<vortek>petn-randall: cool thanxs
08:39<vortek>hewl but you can view in your xwindows hats open
08:39<CutMeOwnThroat>and what additional software you install may be also open source and then you might compile it yourself… compiling spyware to spy on yourself … well
08:39<TobiX>vortek: You can check /boot/config* for features enabled in the Debian kernel. But, yes, SELiunx is included, but not active
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08:40<vortek>cool
08:40<vortek>i thin you used to check inet something back in the day
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08:40<vortek>milenk0
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08:41<petn-randall>vortek: You can list any network daemons with 'netstat -npl'
08:41<vortek>true
08:41<hewl>I don't run local networks. Does that mean that I would be fine without the daemon avahi, which is a multicast DNS service discovery system?
08:42<vortek>or go too gui hehehe system => administarioon=> services
08:42<vortek>woops
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08:42<vortek>thats how i use my xwindows to view serviices that are running
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08:43<vortek>hey way way way bak in the day there used to be a File that you could edit and comment out your services so they would run.. this file still exist?
08:44<vortek>i usualy just uninstall them now and stopp them from running ia /etc/init.d
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08:44<Guest1451>Hello guys I'm trying install Debian 8.6.0 cinnamon from live usb but at the grub installation it saying "the grub-pc package failed to install into /target/" . How do I can install successfully?
08:45<hewl>Guest1451: Are you using the full image or the net install image?
08:45<vortek>ahh here it is! http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap5sec36.html
08:45<vortek>does linux still use ths? inetd, called also the super server, will load a network program based upon a request from the network. The inetd.conf file tells inetd which ports to listen to and what server to start for each port.
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08:47<CutMeOwnThroat>dpkg, tell hewl about securing debian
08:47<vortek>nope there int no inetd.conf no more haha wtf what did they do to improve it?
08:47<Guest1451>I'm using full image
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08:48<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, how many users will be on that system
08:49<bremner>vortek: what, in 5 words or less, are you trying to accomplish?
08:49<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: I'm actually on Chapter 5 of that. Seems to be much more focused on servers than home computers.
08:50<vortek>CustosLimen: stop it from loading services
08:51<vortek>way back in the day most security guides told ou to edit that fle to stop ot from loading deamons
08:51<vortek>or serfices
08:51<vortek>services
08:51<bremner>vortek: these days you can enable and disable services using systemctl
08:52<vortek>tre
08:52<vortek>true
08:52<vortek>i found its replacemnet
08:52<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, so how many users will be on that system?
08:52<vortek>xinetd
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08:53<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: Just me.
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08:54<vortek>ok whats the best way to stop services from permantly starting without uninstalling them?
08:54<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, then I probably wouldn't bother too much. only attacks from outside to services you run can work… and of course stuff you do with the browser… but then there's probably a thousand IEs with 20 well-known unpatched vulnerability on each linux-firefox
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08:55<vortek>i mean i want to stop them from running automaticly every time i reboot
08:56<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, it's not like with windows where a fresh install gets infected within minutes before you can run updates
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08:56<vortek>man im slacking majorly i lt this system go nline almost a month without a firewall or with out closing down services hah
08:56<bremner>vortek: systemctl disable service
08:56<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you for the clarification. So I should be fine as long as I regularly update?
08:57<Guest1451>I had same proble when installing Debian kde 8.2.0
08:57<vortek>bremner: that easy? so like systemctl disable exim ?
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08:58<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, that's what I do… there is no being a 100% secure anyway, but there is endless time one can spend on security (and only 24h a day and a limited amount of days until one dies)
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08:58<hewl>Guest1451: Sorry, I missed your reply earlier. What type of device are you installing Debian on? What is the drive partitioned to be?
08:58<bremner>vortek: "systemctl list-units | grep exim" to get the "unit name"
08:59<vortek>thanxs
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08:59<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: There is no such thing as the whole 100%, I understand. There are just reasonable precautions we should take to ensure reasonably tight security. I understand now that as things are they are suitable.
09:00<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, upgrading is of course common sense… and not running deamons that you don't need as well… fail2ban is also easy to set up (but a pain to debug if you trigger it yourself)
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09:01<Guest1451>On 500 gb HDD Intel pentium dual core 2.60GHz
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09:01<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, there is of course a *lot* you can do to increase security… but it will make things more inconvenient to use, and as I see it doing that is either your hobby or your job :P
09:02<Guest1451>I partitioned as ext4 without swap
09:02<hewl>Guest1451: Did you use GPT or MBR for your partition table? If you don't know that's ok.
09:03<Guest1451>GPT
09:03<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, I think it makes more sense to invest some time into a good backup solution
09:03<hewl>Guest1451: Currently that is the more problem free partition table if your motherboard supports booting from it. When you partitioned, did you do so manually or did you let the tool do it?
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09:04<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: I've already a backup, just not of the operating system. I mostly just back up my work and media.
09:05<vortek>whats that netstat command to tell what services r running? or what file has a list?
09:05<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: Would there be an easy way to backup Debian so that it could be restored, or is that worthless due to the rapid upgrade nature of Debian?
09:06<Guest1451>I do as what installation require to be installed.
09:07<bremner>vortek: netstat -l
09:07<vortek>thanxs
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09:08<bremner>ftr, I just read man netstat
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09:08<vortek>ok :D
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09:08<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, debian stable only gets security fixes… so not much changes. but it's probably as quick to install the system again as figuring out how to pull it out of a backup… to save the info what packages you installed, you can /msg dpkg debian clone… and then I'd backup /etc along anything that has user data (/var/www, possibly sql database /home)
09:09<hewl>Guest1451: I strongly suggest just letting the installer automatically create the partitions for you. There are outlines and guides you can follow to make your own but they usually don't account for all possible situations. For instance, UEFI requires a small, separate partition just to boot for that particular hard-drive, and that partition must be FAT-32 and is only supported with the GPT.
09:09<hewl>Guest1451: In summary, let the tool do its thing and just review it.
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09:10<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: I think I'm fine with the current things I backup (manually, I hope to find an automated way soon). Thank you for your advice.
09:11<vortek>is there a master file i can edit for services running, i used to edit inetd wich is replalced by xinetd but not installed, im asking cuase netstat -l just listed some port number for 2 services, how do i tell what program opened them?
09:11<CutMeOwnThroat>hewl, if it's just to another disk, rsnapshot is nicely simple
09:12<bremner>vortek: you might want lsof
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09:13<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: Very nice. And it's incremental, too. I'll read into it more.
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09:13<CutMeOwnThroat>it makes a new copy on any file that changed, and hard-links the files that didn't change
09:14<CutMeOwnThroat>so it doesn't work well if you have some big files that have regular small changes
09:14<dD>My laptop screen is flickering since about a week ago on GNOME, but it works fine on LXDE and on a GNOME live CD. I've had debian installed for about 4 years with no problems. I've tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers, updating to a newer version, uninstalling nvidia and going to nouveau, and rolling back to a previous version of the linux kernel but nothing seems to work. How can I debug this?
09:15<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: This is ok, I use an SSD as my primary boot drive and have a traditional hard-disk drive for my multimedia. I can just command it to send backups to that hard-disk, can't I?
09:16<hewl>dD: What type of flickering is it? A V-sync issue? Turning completely white for a split second?
09:16<CutMeOwnThroat>sure
09:17<hewl>CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you. I'll look into this tomorrow.
09:17<dD>hewl, it goes back to a previous screen. so, let's say that I right click, it'll flicker between the pop-up menu and without it. If I alt tab, it'll flicker between both screens. It's just visual.
09:18<vortek>man i dint even set up apparmor for irc client or web client
09:18<hewl>dD: So the framebuffer is being delayed or is retaining unnecessary copies. Or something completely different. I can't say I've seen that issue before on a Debian system.
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09:20<vortek>bremner: man the outpput of lsof is HUGE!
09:20<vortek>lol
09:23<vortek>lsof -i | more
09:23<vortek>woops
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09:25<hewl>Maybe I should invest in an IPS.
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09:25<vortek>heh
09:25<hewl>Sorry about that.
09:25<hewl>guest1451 are you still here?
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09:26<vortek>man i finaly got the love linux bug again. thanxs to this securing debian guide and remembering to se up appamour for all connected apps and such :D
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09:29<hewl>well I was going to go soon anyway. Thanks to all for the information. Good bye.
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09:32<vortek>i can i tell if my ports are closed from any attacker on the local lan or from anyone who hacked the cisco aeronet?
09:32<vortek>cuase ny onlne port scan i do is bloocked by the cisco aeronet
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09:39<jcrain>vortek: use nmap from another computer on the lan
09:39<vortek>there r non heh
09:40<vortek>i mean i live in a nursing home and im paralyzd from waste down
09:40<vortek>and they wont let use official computers
09:40<vortek>and i dont know enough residents to find one wih a computer eheh
09:40<vortek>but i can nmap my self hehe
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09:41<vortek>cuase its an external ip
09:41<vortek>i mean no DoH!
09:41<jcrain>if you're blocking with iptables, nmap on the same computer probably won't help
09:41<vortek>heh
09:42<vortek>true
09:42<vortek>wiat what y mean?
09:42<vortek>i got a firewall running
09:42<vortek>but when i scan my ip its stoped by the cisco wireless router
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09:43<vortek>it never coms close to my actual host
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09:43<jcrain>i think if you scan yourself, your computer would be smart enough to not send the traffic over the lan
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09:45<vortek>how can i tell what ports r open to others on the lan though
09:45<vortek>there should be a local command i can run?
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09:45<vortek>besides using a computer on the lan
09:45<grindhold>is it normal, that debian's ldconfig does not see libs in local multiarch directories like /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu ?
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09:51<dD>How do I downgrade a specific set of packages if I have the deb files? I've tried installing them one by one, but one of them gives me a conflicting package error, and when running apt-get install it tells me that my version is not installable
09:51<abrotman>all on the command line together
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10:01<jcrain>vortek: best thing I can come up with is "netstat -plunt". things listening on anything other than 127.0.0.1 are potentially accessable.
10:01<jcrain>though that won'd take into account an iptables firewall if you are using one
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10:03<jcrain>dD: personally I use "dpkg -i" to install plain debs, though that's potentially dangerous as it will let you bypass dependencies...
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10:05<dD>jcrain, thanks. that's what I had done, but was trying to remove the conflicting package with apt-get. finally fixed it by removing it with dpkg instead.
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10:12<vortek>do i need rpc.statd running? im using this as a home computer to suf the web and irc
10:13<vortek>rpcbind and rc.local do i need them running>
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10:30<jcrain>vortek: those are used for nfs (network file system). if you're not using it, you can remove nfs-common and rpcbind.
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10:31<pro>yo whos this
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10:33<vortek>thanxs man
10:34<vortek>rpcbind shows its not installed lol
10:35<vortek>but it is
10:35<vortek>nfs-common isnt installed acording to synaptic
10:35<vortek>what the heck
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10:38<vortek>how do i change my host name ?
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10:38<abrotman>/etc/hostname
10:38<vortek>thanxs
10:40<Echoz>easier to use hostnamectl set-hostname
10:42<vortek>ahh thanxs man
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10:49<vortek>hrm its still not showing the new hostname when Im goto reconfigure exim.. strange
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10:53<schoppenhauer>hi. how can I prevent a daemon from restarting when I update it (I will restart the whole system soon anyway)
10:54<abrotman>update-rc.d
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11:00<vortek>now i changed my hostname , how do i make my systsem update the changes. for example i want bash to show Guardian not the old hostname of gardian?
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11:06<pouicpouic>vortek: /etc/init.d/hostname.sh (or maybe systemctl restart hostname.service since systemd)
11:06<vortek>thanxs
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11:08<vortek>i ran firt command and no error but when i go to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config it shows the old hostname still
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11:09<vortek>and when i run th second command i get this , Failed to restart hostname.service: Unit hostname.service is masked.
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11:11<pouicpouic>vortek: are you running 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' in a new shell ?
11:11<grawity>just run `sudo hostname -F /etc/hostname`
11:11<vortek>k
11:11<vortek>no in old shell
11:12<vortek>ah the commmand worked :D thanxs people
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11:15<vortek>now i cant login as root from a user account
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11:15<vortek>and iif i select root terminal from applications menu i enter password and it dont open terminal
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11:17<vortek>ahh well theres always sudo
11:22<vortek>yeah you would think
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11:23<vortek>hrm now its saying that exim isnt installed when i go to reconfigure it
11:24<olspookishmagus>if I were to produce a bug report with several related images how would you rather have it? upload the images to an imgur album and just a link to it? upload the images to an imgur and post direct links to individual pictures describing what they showcase? attach the images to bug report? (7 images, 63.4kB)
11:24<vortek>but it is... root@Guardian:/home/vortek# ps -aux | grep exim Debian-+ 1229 0.0 0.0 53240 3300 ? Ss Sep23 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
11:24<vortek>why is it saying its not installed
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11:27<vortek>i got it wasnt including config
11:27<vortek>i opened a new terminal and exim still shows the old hostanme
11:28<vortek>when the new terminal shows the new hostname
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11:45<bhe>hello, how to set up powerline for terminal ?
11:45<bhe>i installed powerline debian package
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12:05<MarkedOne_>Hello my system wont start, White screen occurs with message "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and system can't recover. Please log out and try again." After hiting enter Log out nothing happens, but I can use ctrl+alt+f1 and log in only F7 is freezed.. That happened after I did `aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms`. What should I do?
12:05<grawity>so you can log in to the console, but not to GNOME?
12:05<MarkedOne_>grawity: Exactly
12:05<grawity>check system logs (journalctl -b)
12:06<grawity>generally that shows up if either gnome-session or gnome-shell cannot start for some reason
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12:08<vortek>strange.. i reconfigured exim4 do only do local deliivery, and when running mmap to verify that it closed the port nmap snhows it open, but when telneting to port 25 it instantly disconects me
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12:09<vortek>strange hey?
12:10<grawity>sounds normal
12:10<grawity>if a program is listening on the port and accepts connections, that's "open"
12:11<grawity>whether it instantly closes them or not doesn't change that the port is still "open"
12:12<vortek>WTF!! i went to go to remove rpcbind in synaptic, and synaptic says its no installed ,but nmap and netstat -anp | grep 25 both show it running
12:12<vortek>what did i do wrong?
12:12<vortek>heh
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12:14<MarkedOne_>grawity: What should I look for?
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12:14<crack>hola
12:15<grawity>vortek: that just means an earlier removal forgot to kill it
12:15<vortek>ahh ok
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12:16<vortek>hehe i just reinstalled iin synaptic then removed it haha
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12:16<vortek>i wish i would of read what you typed before i did that heh
12:18<vortek>this is screwed up haha when ever i hit the c key in mate terminal and paste my last copy
12:18<vortek>resetting terminal dont help or cllosing it dpnt help
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12:22<MarkedOne_>This is output of journalctl -b http://pastebin.com/v9bUtbJG
12:23<MarkedOne_>Help me.. why I can not log to gnome?
12:24<grawity>MarkedOne_: line 1446: "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"
12:24<grawity>also "extension GLX missing"; "no hardware 3D support"
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12:24<MarkedOne_>grawity: I don't get it.. why that happened?
12:24<grawity>I dunno. it's nVidia.
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12:26<MarkedOne_>grawity: Should be okey... I have GeForce 635M And it should work with 340
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12:36<MikeDebian>hello all. I'm trying to install Debian jessie on an old pentium 4. I wasn't able to install it from a CD. It booted from the CD but during the installation process it was going bad at some point and it was freezing. I know the problem is this old cdrom drive. So, I burned the iso image to an hard drive and I'm booting from there. The problem now is that the installer is asking me for the cdrom.. well, I run a shell and i'm trying to mount the
12:36<MikeDebian>hard drive containing the iso on /cdrom hoping that the installer continue from the hard drive. the problem the system is not allowing me to mount the hard drive. it keeps saying invalid argument when using the mount command...
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12:37<MikeDebian>note that the hard drive I want to mount (containing the iso) is the same I used to boot the installer
12:38<MikeDebian>any solution?
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12:38<MarkedOne_>How can I revert this command `aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms` ? aptitude purge -r nvidia-kernel-dkms is giving me some dependency issuses..
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12:39<parrot-usr>hello everyone, i have a question using tightvnc. when i vncviewer my host ,i just see a grey screen,i googled it ,but nerver solved. i did add gnome-session& to ~/.vim/xstartup,but not help, someone advice to change file /etc/sysconfig/vncservers,but i don't have /etc/sysconfig.
12:40<grawity>um
12:40<grawity>~/.vim/xstartup? what even is that
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12:41<parrot-usr>~/.vnc/xstartup sorry ^-^
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12:42<jcrain>MikeDebian: last time I tried to do hacking on the debian installer, it only worked from removable media. might not recognize a hard drive as a valid source.
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12:44<jcrain>MikeDebian: maybe if you mount it yourself it will let the installer proceed
12:44<MikeDebian>it is not allowing me to mount an USB pen drive as well
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12:45<MarkedOne_>Guyz.. but I have 2 GPUs... Nvidia one is secondary and my Gnome should use Intel GPU as default... And that is not working
12:45<MikeDebian>it says invalid argument as well
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12:55<MarkedOne_>How can I revert this command `aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms` ? aptitude purge -r nvidia-kernel-dkms is giving me some dependency issuses..
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13:00<vortek>ci fixed it with dconf edit, it had c for paste command
13:01<mtn>MarkedOne_: what do mean by "revert" and what are the errors you get?
13:01<MarkedOne_>mtn: I used that command..to install proprietary nvidia drivers.. and gnome won't start again.
13:02<mtn>MarkedOne_: what errors? any?
13:02<mtn>MarkedOne_: are you asking how to get rid of the changes you made?
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13:04<towo`>MarkedOne_, you you ask in 2 channels at the same time the same questions?
13:04<towo`>*why
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13:06<MarkedOne_>Hello towo`, because I have a problem that is related to linux, gnome, nvidia. So I am actually asking in 3 channels at the same time. I am increasing my chances to solve problem.
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13:06<mtn>MarkedOne_: why don't you answer my questions?
13:07<MarkedOne_>mtn: Yeah, beacause my system is unusable with prop nvidia driver. I have logs here http://pastebin.com/v9bUtbJG
13:07<mtn>MarkedOne_: find your xorg.conf file. delete it. reboot
13:07<MarkedOne_>Sorry, I am not native english speaker.
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13:07<mtn>MarkedOne_: it is possible it may be called nvidia.conf or similar
13:08<MikeDebian>it seems i've just managed to use the USB drive to continue from there ;)
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13:09<MarkedOne_>mtn: That will revert installing prop driver?
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13:09<MarkedOne_>mtn: Or it will just use open source nouveau?
13:09<mtn>MarkedOne_: yes, it will use nouveau once you have removed that file
13:10<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: you should also look for a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau
13:10<MarkedOne_>well.. nice
13:11<vortek>wiat a minute
13:11<vortek>heh i reconfigured exim4 to only allow local delevery
13:11<vortek>but i can telnet to port 25 and it shows exim running
13:12<vortek>does this mean others on the local lan here can access my mail server?
13:12<bremner>what ip address did you telnet to?
13:13<vortek>localhost
13:13<MarkedOne_>mtn, jmcnaught: On gnome channel they told me that "you are missing the user space part of the driver" and the module name is "nv"
13:13<bremner>vortek: hmm. I think not then. Try a public ip address
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13:14<vortek>ceuase were using cisco wireleess router here and if i telnet to my public ip i get the cisco router
13:14<vortek>that im connectd towirelesly
13:14<jcrain>vortek: what address is it listening on? 127.0.0.1?
13:14<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: nv is the old driver that nouveau replaced.
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13:15<vortek>? 127.0.0.1 ; ::1______
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13:15<octal>How do I select a mirror from the command line from a recently installed netinst for which I didn't specify a mirror?
13:15<jcrain>vortek: that's fine, it's only accessable local from those addresses.
13:16<vortek>is what dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config defualts it att
13:16<vortek>cool
13:16<octal>I tried dpkg-reconfigure apt. I tried net<TAB><TAB> and apt<TAB><TAB> in the search for options but can't find anything.
13:16<vortek>darnit i got some anoying text to speech crap running hahah its speaking evey word i type..
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13:18<MarkedOne_>mtn: Isn't `aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms' enough?
13:18<jmcnaught>octal: you edit /etc/apt/sources.list. There's an example on this page that uses the httpredir service to automatically find the best mirror: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
13:19<jmcnaught>octal: if you do not want to use httpredir, you can select a mirror from this list: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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13:20<octal>jmcnaught: is there a way to run some command to choose one from a list?
13:22<jmcnaught>octal: the way to do it is to edit that file. Maybe synaptic or another gui has an interface for this, but i don't use those
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13:22<jmcnaught>octal: if you want some help editing your sources.list you can put a copy of it on http://paste.debian.net/ for people here to peer review
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13:23<octal>jmcnaught: yeah, I have done this in the past. I wanted to check if there was an easier way.
13:23<mtn>MarkedOne_: no, that won't remove the config files
13:23<vortek>hello
13:24<octal>jmcnaught: (pretty much because hand editing is so error-prone)
13:25<bremner>apt-spy can do that
13:25<MarkedOne_>mtn: What? In `man aptitude` it says purge will remove all config files
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13:26<octal>bremner: there is no apt-spy on a failed-network netinst.
13:26<mtn>MarkedOne_: maybe it removes the xorg.conf, but I don't think so
13:26<mtn>MarkedOne_: try it and see?
13:28<bremner>octal: that is correct. installation is one of those times when you need to edit things by hand.
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13:29<octal>What is be the best way to suggest this for inclusion?
13:29<MarkedOne_>mtn: I was scared because it says some dependencies are unresolved...
13:29<vortek>crap i went to services and uncheckd the speech serice and its still anouncing evry thing i type
13:30<mtn>MarkedOne_: I asked you a long time ago what those errors were ;)
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13:32<MarkedOne_>mtn: Ah, sorry i thought you are asking about errors in journalctl -b
13:32<vortek>when every i selectt help anywhere in mate it says not found
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13:33<vortek>i could select help for terminal or firefox same error
13:34<jmcnaught>octal: if networking doesn't not work during the installer it's recommended to use something other than the netinst image. Or if it's a firmware issue, it can usually be handled by having the firmware available
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13:36<MarkedOne_>mtn: A long list.. I will paste it on patebin.com if you want
13:36<octal>jmcnaught: it's a firmware issue with wireless and I didn't have an ethernet port nearby so I wanted to advance without network in the meanwhile. Now I'm near an Ethernet port.
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13:37<vortek>ill just logo uand relogin
13:37<vortek>hey whats agood win managr with lots of eyecandy???
13:37<vortek>manager
13:37<octal>jmcnaught: I just edited the sources to overcome the limitation, but I made a typo and had to edit them again. It's working now. I'd have been easier if I could do something like "mirror-select" or something like this and choose from the same list that appears in the installer.
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13:39<octal>jmcnaught, bremner: I appreciate the help.
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13:39<jmcnaught>octal: i see your point. in the future when dealing with firmware issues the steps outlined at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en will help with most devices
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13:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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14:13<MarkedOne_>Okey... another thry... how is it possible that this scenario happens? aptitude install XXX -> everything is OK.... then aptitude purge XXX... unresolvable dependency issues. How is that possible?
14:14<EmleyMoor>Anything in between? Can you give an example?
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14:15<MarkedOne_>EmleyMoor: yeah check package nvidia-kernels-dkms it is in non-free.
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14:18<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: can you show us the commands you used and the output in a paste on https://paste.debian.net/ ?
14:19<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell MarkedOne_ about bat
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14:19<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: the message from dpkg tells you about other information that is useful for troubleshooting apt issues
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14:23<MarkedOne_>jmcnaught: I would really like to, computer is occupied for now. And also, I am in console with ctrl+alt+f1 So I am not sure.. how to redirect output of interactive aptitude to file, and still be able to roll trough dependency solutions.
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14:24<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell MarkedOne_ about pastebinit
14:24<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: even if you can just show the first suggested resolution. we can't help you unless you show us what's going on.
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14:31<MarkedOne_>jmcnaught: One minute please. :)
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14:45<MarkedOne_>Here it is.. https://paste.debian.net/838034/ If I could revert my system to workable state, then I could experiment to make nvidia-kernel-dkms works...
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14:46<MarkedOne_>EmleyMoor and jmcnaught: above I have pasted problematic commands.
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14:48<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: thanks. you could try removing the package with apt-get instead of aptitude (they have different dependency resolution engines). Or you could try removing all packages with nvidia in the name: 'aptitude -s search ~nnvidia' and see what that does
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15:07<MarkedOne_>jmcnaught: That works.. I am now purging all nvidia mess. Gnome works again.
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15:08<jmcnaught>MarkedOne_: nice.
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15:09<MarkedOne_>jmcnaught: Thank very much.
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15:29<catern>hey #debian, how could I get a list of all setuid binaries in main?
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15:41<blast007>catern: are you wanting just the ones on your system, or in every single package in the debian repos?
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15:56<catern>every package in main
15:57<catern>if I wanted just the ones on my system, I could just use find
15:59<tuxhunter>How can i record my microphone on Debian in XFCE desktop
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16:00<tuxhunter>catern what are you meaning by that???
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16:05<tuxhunter>How can i record my microphone on Debian in XFCE desktop Please help
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16:08<tuxhunter>and how can i do that debhelper??
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16:09<blast007>catern: does this help? https://lintian.debian.org/tags/setuid-binary.html
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16:12<catern>blast007: yes, perfect, thank you!
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16:16<tuxhunter>debhelper please help
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16:16<noobie>ребят помогите решить трабл, не ставятся ати дрова, вилд-эссеншлл стоит, хедеры ядра тоже, пишет "/bin/sh: 1: gcc-5.4: not found" но у меня деб тестинг gcc 6.1.1. Как быть?
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16:18<abrotman>noobie: a) English here, b) uhm, did you instlal build-essential ?
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16:19<blast007>tuxhunter: are you looking for an audio recording/editing program? if so, you could try Audacity
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16:20<tuxhunter>no is not that the problem is when i plug the new microphone is not working when i record on kazam simplescreen OBS vokoscreen blast007
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16:21<noobie>abrotman: build-essential installed, but fglrx need gcc-5.4, my "gcc --version" answer 6.1.1
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16:23<towo`>forget about fglrx, it's dead
16:23<towo`>use the free radeon driver
16:23<abrotman>noobie: what is your video card? lspci -nn | grep -i vga
16:23<abrotman>because quite likely, towo` is correct
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16:26<noobie>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD 7950/8950 OEM / R9 280] [1002:679a]
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16:27<towo`>this card would not work with that old fglrx from stable
16:27<towo`>install kernel, firmware and x-stack from backports
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16:28<noobie>i use deb testing, driver download from ati site
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16:28<towo`>noobie, fglrx from ati site is not supported here
16:29<towo`>noobie, and in testing the card works fine with tzhe free driver
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16:30<towo`>noobie, but you can damage your system like you want
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16:40<noobie>towo`, interesting, i can play in steam gemes on free ati driver?
16:41<somiaj>noobie: sure, with the correct firmware the radeon driver has fairly decend 3d support.
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16:42<zykotick9>towo`: "tzhe (sic) free driver" <- i'd call that an "open driver" as it requires non-free firmware for 3d support.
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16:43<towo`>zykotick9, even wron, it need that firware at all
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16:43<towo`>but i don't see the real problem, if the firware would be in rom on the hardware, no one would care about
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17:08<tuxhunter>no is not that the problem is when i plug the new microphone is not working when i record on kazam simplescreen OBS vokoscreen blast007
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17:09<tuxhunter>please help someoone said that my port of headphones and microphone is detecting a headphone and no a mic
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17:19<barteks2x>I'm not sure if it's a bug or "works as designed", but I accidentally left opengl application running for about 15 minutes. When I went back, it was all frozen. I switched to tty and killed it, when I switched back to gui - lock screen appeared. So it looks like lock screen won't work if there is something like that running.
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17:20<tuxhunter>yeah is a bug
17:21<barteks2x>um... where should I report it? (to which package)
17:21<tuxhunter>i dont know i think in bugzilla
17:22<barteks2x>I mean, I know where, but don't know which package has that bug
17:22<EmleyMoor>Was the app a Debian package? If so, use reportbug
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17:22<barteks2x>I don't think this is bug in the opengl thing, but if so - it's LWJGL fault
17:22<EmleyMoor>(if you report against the wrong package it can be reassigned)
17:23<barteks2x>is it fault of the opengl application or whatever handles lock screen?
17:23<blast007>I would think that it's possible for software to block the lock screen. If you're watching a video, for instance, you'd want it to block the screensaver (if any) and disable the screen lock.
17:23<barteks2x>But it didn't only block it. The whole system froze. Only switching to tty worked
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17:24<barteks2x>I will check again
17:25<barteks2x>just need to figure out whrere in configuration i can change time after which lock screen activates
17:26<barteks2x>It might have been a crash caused by some of my code
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17:27<blast007>sounds like LWJGL uses GLFW, and GLFW's documentation says that "As long as at least one full screen window is not iconified, the screensaver is prohibited from starting."
17:27<barteks2x>but will it stop screen from turning off? Because that's what triggers screen lock
17:27<blast007>probably
17:27<barteks2x>we will see, waiting 5 minutes...
17:28<barteks2x>also it's lwjgl 2.x
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17:29<barteks2x>or whatever the legacy version is
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17:38<barteks2x>looks like lock screen didn't start now
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17:39<barteks2x>previously, the thing crashed but somehow ended up in probably some kind of deadlock.
17:39<barteks2x>alyway, probably bug on my side
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17:59<R4F_Debian>Hi all
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18:06<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I'm trying to connect to #debian by freenode without result. I'm using both 'xchat' and 'hexchat' for this purpose. It tries to connect through port 6667 without success
18:06<R4F_Debian>Connecting to chat.freenode.net (192.186.157.43) port 6667...
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18:07<R4F_Debian>Please, not sure if I can ask such question here, sorry if I'm mistaken
18:10<jcrain>i didn't think #debian was on freenode any more. anyway, i've been on and off disconnected from freenode all day so it's not just you.
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18:11<jcrain>I guess it was #debian-mentors that is no more
18:12<R4F_Debian>Hi jcrain !
18:12<jcrain>hi
18:12<somiaj>R4F_Debian: there is a #debian on freenode, but the offical debian network is oftc (which you are on).
18:12<somiaj>R4F_Debian: unsure why you hare having problems with freenode, but it has been acting up all day.
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18:13<R4F_Debian>Hi somiaj, let em check it here...
18:13<R4F_Debian>I see jcrain, but, please, have you tried to access other channel by freenode ?
18:13<R4F_Debian>Now, I'm trying to access other channels, and without success
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18:14<R4F_Debian>just for tests, tried others here, but the same issue persists for other channels, not only for #debian
18:14<somiaj>#debian is the only channel on freenode. All the other #debian- channels are not on freenode. Some are just reserved channels that are blocked by invite only
18:15<somiaj>if you want other channels, like #debian-mentors you have to be on oftc.
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18:15<jcrain>R4F_Debian: yes, I joined #debian on freenode and it worked fine, but I've been getting disconnect and reconnect messages all day. it's been unreliable.
18:15<somiaj>(well only debian channel)
18:15<R4F_Debian>Please, somiaj, can you access easily any channel by freenode, not only #debian ?
18:17<jmcnaught>there's a DDoS attack against freenode right now. https://twitter.com/freenodestaff
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18:17<somiaj>R4F_Debian: I've been disconnected a few time today, and the channels have been fairly quiet. freenode is having troubles.
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18:33<cruncher>who would want to do that against freenode?
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18:52<R4F_Debian>I'm back
18:52<R4F_Debian>Hi jmcnaught, nice to see you here ! Thanks for information about freenode !
18:53<R4F_Debian>Thanks for information, somiaj,so there is no connection issue here, between my Debian network drives and freenode.
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18:55<R4F_Debian>well, fortunately OFTC is always connecting fine, the others on freenode are optional and secondaries, but this #Debian Servers is indispensable ! :)
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18:57<awal1>R4F_Debian, as you have been told, freenode is having troubles, almost all users affected (disconnections) - probably it's beeing ddosed
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18:58<R4F_Debian>Hi awal1, nice to meet you too !
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18:59<awal1>do you have any question?
18:59<R4F_Debian>Yes, I've never had such problem with freenode before
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18:59<somiaj>!oftc
18:59<dpkg>OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
19:00<somiaj>!oftc move
19:00<dpkg>irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
19:00<somiaj>R4F_Debian: #debian remains on freenode and has lots of users. Many users are on both networks.
19:00<R4F_Debian>I had some important informations with somiaj yesterday about file systems in Debian Jessie, and decided to use ext4, instead of btrfs or xfs
19:00<somiaj>R4F_Debian: you'll just have to wait out the DOS attacks
19:00<R4F_Debian>I see, somiaj
19:01<R4F_Debian>DOS attacks ?
19:01<somiaj>R4F_Debian: denial of service (trying to make it so users such as yourself cannot connect to freenode)
19:01<R4F_Debian>then, awal1, I would like to know if it's possible I exchange 'btrfs' to 'ext4' in Debian already installed with them
19:02<somiaj>R4F_Debian: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36252/how-can-i-convert-my-root-partition-from-btrfs-to-ext4
19:03<R4F_Debian>oh, fine somiaj, I will read this article, should be better if it is possible to be done, without need to reinstall Debian with ext4
19:03<R4F_Debian>Thanks a lot for that, somiaj ! Thanks for attention, awal1 ?
19:06<R4F_Debian>Thanks for attention, awal1 !
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19:06<awal1>R4F_Debian, :)
19:06<R4F_Debian>Nice to see you here again, somiaj ! The same good feelings to Debian Warriors !
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19:07<R4F_Debian>Hope see you soon here again awal1 and somiaj !
19:07<R4F_Debian>I must go now
19:07<R4F_Debian>God Bless you all !
19:08<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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19:27<default>I am having an issue on debian 8 when I plug in HDMI on my laptop the screen goes black on the laptop; I see a mostly black screen on the monitor I connected with a very large cursor; when I disconnect the laptop screen does not turn back on; anyone encounter this before? works fine on an older version of centos and current windows so hardware is definitely not an issue
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19:57<vortek>i got like 7 cd's and dvd's i need to mount and check the files on, whats the easyist way to do this?
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20:00<default>you mean just compare it to an iso and see if they get the same hash?
20:01<vortek>nah i ned to see the ls out put
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20:01<vortek>i actualy forgot what i have on these cd , dvd's but i know there impotant cuase of were they were stored
20:02<default>not sure what you're asking then
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20:08<vortek>i just want to mount the cd's so i can see what files they have.. but when i run umunt it runs ok , but then when i mount a new cd, the contents of the old cd show up in lss
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20:08<vortek>gnome-system-tools
20:08<vortek>will mount for me
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20:15<hewl>I've been able to get v-sync working on Debian. It's good and doesn't drop down to 20FPS like some methods did. But still, my compositor now takes up 20% of my CPU, compared to 3% without v-sync. I still think that's a unneeded increase.
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20:21<vortek>hrm im using gnome-system-tools and for some reason when i ejected the dvd and put another one in, it has the same files wich i know is not possible
20:22<hewl>vortek: Do you unmount before ejecting?
20:23<vortek>yeah i try but it tells me trget is busy and to run lsof
20:23<vortek>and check fuer
20:23<vortek>fuser
20:24<hewl>vortek: Find out what process is keeping the DVD busy. It might be holding an image of it in memory, which would explain why the newly inserted disc appears to have the same content as the last.
20:24<vortek>k
20:26<petn-randall>vortek: You can index CD/DVDs or other media with cdcat. Worked well for me in the past.
20:26<petn-randall>Has a nice GUI
20:26<vortek>ok
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20:28<vortek>ok its instaled
20:29<vortek>heh
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20:42<hewl>what is happening to this channel? It's not just me seeing hundreds of people leave and join, right?
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20:46<blast007>hewl: it was a netsplit. either one of the servers in the network went down, or one or more of them lost connection to each other.
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20:47<hewl>blast007: Ah ok. Isn't there a way to make it just display one message (server disconnected) instead of flooding the whole chat and pushing some messages off the scroll?
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20:47<blast007>irssi does that in most cases, but it's not perfect.
20:48<hewl>blast007: Oh, so it's a client side preference then, not server side. And that's unrelated so no need to talk about that here. Thanks for the info.
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20:54<vortek>im just g ona do th mounting by hand i found a guide that seems to wor.k i rememberrunnnng these commands
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20:55<hewl>Concerning networking, Debian stable by default comes with Avahi, which is a zero conf automatic local network configuration and discovery for Debian. I do not use such local networks. Is the easiest way to disable this daemon to simply remove it, or could that cause dependency issues with anything that connects to the internet?
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20:56<vortek>dam this dvd is takin for eva to mount
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20:57<hewl>vortek: Are you sure the drivers for your disc drive are properly installed and functioning?
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20:57<hewl>vortek: Do you have another drive which you can use for testing purposes?
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20:58<vortek>no this is a laptop
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20:59<hewl>vortek: dang, have you looked up the forums specific to running Debian on laptops? their hardware is always very particular
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20:59<vortek>hewl yeah
20:59<vortek>the dell xps l70x or what ever its called was good
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21:00<hewl>vortek: A laptop with a subwoofer. Nice.
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21:00<vortek>but in a few days im getting mycustom built desktop that i built with dual ssd divers a blue ray combo 32 ggs of ram and a nice 3960x cpu wth 15 meg of cache
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21:01<vortek>yeah
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21:01<hewl>vortek: It's a blu-ray disk drive. That can cause problems.
21:01<vortek>two speakers and a sub
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21:01<vortek>nah
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21:01<vortek>its a dvd /cd rw
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21:01<vortek>i used it all the time to insatll debian via dvd
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21:02<hewl>vortek: "Optical Drive: Blu-ray Disc(tm) combo (reads Blu-ray Disc(tm) & writes to CD/DVD)"
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21:02<hewl>vortek: I'm not saying it can't read CD/DVD but by simply using such technologies as Blu-ray it could be causing driver issues.
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21:02<vortek>no its not blu ray
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21:03<vortek>ive read the sites specs many mny times
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21:03<vortek>and at the tim you couldthisnt order one when i buaght
21:03<hewl>vortek: I got this from a quick search: http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/xps-l702x/pd Is that not your model of laptop?
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21:05<vortek>isnt there a way to view your xps model on proc or something?
21:07<vortek>hrm
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21:07<vortek>when i lookd up the specs when i first ot this years ago
21:07<vortek>blu ray wasnt an option
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21:08<hewl>vortek: Oh wait, it says L702X, not L70X. It might be a later revision.
21:08<vortek>yeah
21:09<vortek>cuas when i purchased th8is blu ray was not an option
21:09<hewl>vortek: that means your model is a little more obscure, then.
21:09<hewl>vortek: If this is a hardware issue it might be specific to it. Have you tried looking up to see if anyone has had problems with disc mounting on that laptop?
21:10<vortek>no but this is the first time i had this problem
21:11<hewl>vortek: You were able to unmount/mount perfectly fine previously on this laptop?
21:11<vortek>yes
21:11<vortek>,aybe shes old now and gots dodgy hardware
21:11<vortek>heh
21:12<vortek>nothing so far
21:12<MikeDebian>dfd
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21:14<hewl>vortek: Do you dual boot it with Windows? Just to see if it's only happening on Debian.
21:14<vortek>i whiped windows from my comp heh
21:15<vortek>i efuse to use that spyware ms spying on you , prone to pyware et etc
21:15<vortek>but when i had it cd/dvd worked fine
21:16<vortek>infact last month oo had to put windows on for some reason i forgot what.. but the dvd windows drivers installed fine from dvd
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21:18<vortek>when running xorriso -devices or cdrskin --devices they tell me device or resource bust
21:19<vortek>bust=busy
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21:22<vortek>i ejected the dvd and ran xorrisa again an got same error hah
21:23<vortek>hewl: im using this guide https://wiki.debian.org/CDDVD#Detecting_and_Mounting
21:24<vortek>and when i run xorriso or cdrskin i get that erro msg
21:26<hewl>vortek: You're on testing, right? Have you installed any packages that may be automatically trying to access the drive?
21:26<vortek>yes only as a last result
21:26<hewl>vortek: So what happens if you stop running that package and then try unmounting/mounting?
21:27<vortek>its a program to ahewl: uto mount cd/dvds
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21:28<vortek>gnome-system-tools
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21:28<hewl>vortek: kill the process and then try mounting/unmounting.
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21:29<vortek>no process found
21:29<hewl>What does Ctrl+Esc show you if you search for gnome?
21:31<vortek>its not listed
21:31<vortek>lol
21:31<vortek>but synapttic show it as installed
21:31<hewl>vortek: Oh, then it's already not running. And you still can't mount/unmount?
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21:32<vortek>nope
21:32<vortek>:(
21:32<hewl>vortek: You're sure it's the right device ID? sda1 and such?
21:32<vortek>yeah
21:33<hewl>vortek: I'm at a loss, then. . . have you tried rebooting?
21:33<vortek>yeah ill try that
21:33<vortek>heres from the output of a command a debian wiki page told me to run to find my device
21:33<hewl>vortek: if that fixes your problem I'm going to buy two litres of apple juice.
21:34<vortek>libburn : SORRY : Cannot open busy device '/dev/sr0' : Device or resource busy
21:34<vortek>haha
21:34<vortek>hewl that msg was ment fo you
21:35<vortek>liburn was the prgram name not nick completion
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21:35<hewl>vortek: rebooting closes all processes, so unless there's a package that's set to automatically start and attempt to access your drive it should be mountable
21:35<vortek>ok
21:35<vortek>brb
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21:39<vortek>it complained about my dvd during boot up lol
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21:40<hewl>vortek: There is a valuable hint. What did your motherboard have to say about it? Has it been properly configured in your BIOS settings?
21:40<vortek>it was before
21:40<vortek>nothings changed
21:41<vortek>i haven been in bios and over a year
21:41<vortek>ok command is working now
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21:42<vortek>its telling me what dvd cd i got
21:43<hewl>vortek: I suggest you check it out. The installation/upgrade of an operating system can cause weird stuff to happen.
21:43<hewl>vortek: Oh it's working? Does it mount swiftly?
21:43<vortek>cool
21:43<vortek>0 dev='/dev/sr0' rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD+-RW GT50N'
21:43<hewl>time to buy that apple juice
21:43<vortek>is the output i get from that command now
21:43<vortek>hahaha
21:44<vortek>its taking for ever to mount it
21:45<hewl>vortek: then there is still an issue. Look into your BIOs and make sure there's no silly underclocking setting set or something. Each BIOS is different.
21:45<hewl>vortek: In regards to your disc drive. You shouldn't have to touch anything else.
21:46<vortek>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
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21:46<hewl>vortek: Is it trying to work the optical drive like it were a hard-disc drive?
21:47<vortek>ok so check the bios settings then?
21:47<vortek>brb
21:47<hewl>vortek: Yep. It would be even better if your laptop came with a manual explaining it.
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21:56<vortek>ok there was no way to confuse it in bios
21:56<hewl>vortek: How did it go?
21:56<vortek>it said cdrom
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21:56<hewl>vortek: And during boot, it says that it detects the disc drive successfully?
21:56<vortek>and had no option to change stuff but you could change its boot order
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21:57<vortek>and bioos said the hit shift 1 to select device so i trid it
21:57<vortek>i got same erroor in debian boot up
21:57<hewl>vortek: The boot order is unrelated to whether or not the disc drive was read. The boot order is what drive it attempts to boot from.
21:58<vortek>i know
21:58<vortek>you could change the order by + or - keys
21:59<vortek>but it said something about hitting shift one to actuvate the device
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22:00<hewl>vortek: That sounds like a setting particular to your BIOS, then. Did your laptop come with documentation?
22:00<vortek>yeah but that shiz is long gone heh
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22:01<vortek>all i know is the cdrom use to work in debian
22:01<vortek>and not give error in bootup
22:01<vortek>and nothing changed in bios'
22:01<vortek>other then me shift 1
22:01<vortek>to activate the dvd drive
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22:02<vortek>ijust though i would try it
22:02<vortek>maybe th drive is going bad?
22:02<vortek>im wondering if I should waste my time resizing the parition and making a windos partition to see if this happens in winblows
22:02<hewl>vortek: That's a possibility. But you'd want to make sure of that before doing something like installing a new drive or possibly getting another laptop (if having a fast drive is crucial for your purposes).
22:03<vortek>well i got a deesktop
22:03<vortek>a nice one
22:03<hewl>vortek: I believe there's methods to get Windows running from a disc. From there you can just see if it can detect the drive or not.
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22:04<hewl>vortek: If you're network savvy then you can get a way to boot Windows via the network, but it's fairly complicated.
22:04<vortek>extreme 3960x cpu , 32 gig of niice quality ram with heat shields... 2 ssd's tranparent case, overclockable 600 doller motherboard with tons of features and solid capacitors hehe
22:05<vortek>and a 650 watt moduler power supply
22:05<vortek>i custtom built it
22:05<hewl>vortek: This is a bit offtopic.
22:05<vortek>it comiiple a kernel in less then 5 minutes
22:05<vortek>oh sorry
22:06<hewl>vortek: np, did you want to bring it over to #debian-offtopic?
22:06<vortek>i forgt this is debian and not Debian-offtopic y bad
22:06<vortek>sure
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