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---Logopened Tue Sep 27 00:00:35 2016
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00:18<vortek>wich cpu should I select when compiling a kernel for 3969x extreme intel? or what precomppiled kernel?
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00:19<vortek>woop 3960x i meant
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00:31<somiaj>vortek: amd64 is the codename you want
00:31<somiaj>!amd64
00:31<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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01:14<vortek>how can i tell wich kernel to select for my 3860x etreme cpu? I want a kernel optimized for it.
01:14<vortek>Thanxs
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01:32<jm_>vortek: the one debian installer selects is the correct one
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01:34<vortek>oh I didn't know the debian instller would select one for you, or the best for you. Cool
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01:34<vortek>thanxs
01:34<jm_>it's not like there's a lot of choice
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01:36<vortek>ture
01:36<vortek>true
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05:40<RequiemAeternam>I'm trying to forwarding debian ports trough virtualbox to use Debian services from other "boxed" system.
05:40<RequiemAeternam>However it doesn't work.
05:40<RequiemAeternam>What's the problem?
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05:41<towo^work>the problem is, you don't descripe your exact network topology
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05:43<petn-randall>Or what you mean with "doesn't work".
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05:59<RequiemAeternam>towo^work: Virtualbox is configured as a NAT.
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06:16<tom99>i'd like to configure my virtual machines too with network stuff.
06:16<towo^work>if you want networking between diferent vm's you want nat-network, or more easy bridged network
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06:17<tom99>nat is where you create your own private network for the vms to live on right?
06:17<tom99>and they hve a virtual router to connect them?
06:18<tom99>and in bridged mode they connect directly as cpus on the network
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06:22<towo^work>https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html it's all discribed here
06:23<tom99>thanks towo^work
06:23<tom99>now i just need to know how to figure networking *inside*debian too and i'll be all set. i think.
06:23<tom99>networking is big and scary
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06:33<jm_>!tell tom99 -about networking
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06:38<smthing>Is there an easy way to load a module just for initramfs then unload it? I want to load the USB to type in my password then unload it so I can atach it to a VM
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06:53<tom99>thanks jm_
06:53<jm_>no problem
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09:02<xingling>how to i put a search bar on the start menu on xfce?
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09:08<petn-randall>xingling: You can install xfce4-whiskermenu, which will give you a start menu with search bar.
09:08<petn-randall>xingling: You need to add it by hand in your panel, though.
09:09<xingling>petn-randall, is it the same menu as the xubuntu?
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09:21<petn-randall>xingling: Don't know, haven't tried Xubuntu in ages.
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09:34<xingling>petn-randall, also, my user inst in sudoers list.is that normal not to come with that?
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10:29<grummund>Is there a way to override sources.list on the command line?
10:29*grummund tried apt-get -o Dir::Etc::SourceParts=/tmp/my-sources.list update
10:30<grummund>but it seems to be ignored and still use /etc/apt/sources.list
10:31<grummund>agh should be SourceList
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10:34<jmcnaught>grummund: that sounds like a good way to get an inconsistent package state
10:34<jmcnaught>grummund: what is the end goal?
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10:43<luna_>Debian admin at my workplace switched works yesterday, so i am the new Debian admin now :)
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10:49<xingling>how do i download adobe-flashplugin ?
10:50<xingling>ubuntu has it in ubuntu's partners repository but i dont find it for debian
10:50<jmcnaught>xingling: there's a package flashplugin-nonfree in the contrib section
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10:50<xingling>jmccroha1, that one doesnt work. it has to be that one
10:50<jmcnaught>xingling: i'm not ^^. also i don't know what you mean.
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10:52<xingling>jmcnaught, i have tried to install that one but it doesnt work. flash still doesnt work. the only one that i was able to make work was that one called adobe-flashplugin found in ubuntu's repository
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10:53<jmcnaught>xingling: are you using Debian or Ubuntu? You shouldn't be using Ubuntu packages on Debian.
10:53<jmcnaught>!doesn't work
10:53<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
10:53<xingling>jmcnaught, i am using debian. i have lots of machines with ubuntu thats why i am telling you this...i cant find the same flash plugin with debian
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10:55<jmcnaught>xingling: flashplugin-nonfree is the package. it contains a script that downloads the plugin from the adobe website. You update the plugin with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
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11:08<somiaj>if using chromium you need pepperflashplugin-nonfree and if you want a newer flash for firefox, there is a wrapper for the pepperflash binary to make it work with NAPI
11:10<jmcnaught>oh that's right. i haven't had flash installed for years now, but xingling is gone
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11:22<grummund>jmcnaught: late reply. it's during a system bootstrap, needs later kernel and bootloader from testing, but leaving the sources.list as is.
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11:25<jmcnaught>grummund: why not use a kernel from backports?
11:25<petn-randall>grummund: You probably mean kernel and bootloader from backports?
11:26<grummund>yeah that thought occured to me as well ;)
11:26<grummund>not looked to see if it's there yet
11:27<jmcnaught>,kernels
11:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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11:28<jmcnaught>even if the version you want isn't on backports yet i still wouldn't temporarily add stretch sources
11:28<grummund>the bootloader it needs is in unstable
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11:29<jmcnaught>grummund: what's it called?
11:29<grummund>u-boot-rpi
11:30<jmcnaught>,v u-boot-rpi
11:30<judd>No package named 'u-boot-rpi' was found in amd64.
11:30<jmcnaught>grummund: what's the package called?
11:30<grummund>u-boot-rpi:armhf
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11:31<jmcnaught>,checkbackport u-boot-rpi --arch armhf
11:31<judd>Backporting package u-boot-rpi in sid→jessie/armhf: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore.
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11:32<jmcnaught>grummund: you could backport this package to avoid having a frankendebian system
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11:34<grummund>you mean build a deb locally and use that?
11:35<jmcnaught>yes
11:35<jmcnaught>if your goal is a debian stable system
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11:37<grummund>for the kernel, will it cause problems if backports is later removed from sources.list?
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11:38<jmcnaught>grummund: it will mean that your kernel doesn't get updates
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11:42<itd>grummund: I'm curious, what do you want to do? :)
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11:43<grummund>if the kernel were installed from testing instead of backports, and then the line removed from sources.list, is it a similar situation?
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11:45<jmcnaught>grummund: yes. the way upgrades work is apt checks the version number of the package. If you install a kernel from backports, or from testing (bad idea this one), apt will not find a kernel with higher version
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11:47<grummund>jmcnaught: ok i get that.
11:48<jmcnaught>grummund: you are also strongly advised not to mix stable and testing/unstable. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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11:49<grummund>noted ;)
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11:50<Walter_White45>Hello.
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11:51<Walter_White45>I have installed "Gajim" and it worked properly. But now it tells me "No module named axolotl" in the terminal.
11:51<Walter_White45>What shouldI do?
11:51<Walter_White45>*should I
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11:54<itd>Walter_White45: What do you want to happen?
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11:55<Walter_White45>That it work again itd
11:55<Walter_White45>@itd
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11:58<itd>Walter_White45: please read the topic "/msg bots NOT people"
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12:00<Walter_White45>Okay
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12:00<itd>Walter_White45: Does gajim work at all? Is that the whole error message? Did you change something (that might cause this error)?
12:01<Walter_White45>No, I just tried to start it today and the error comes. Here is the whole thing http://pastebin.com/5MBi8VUs
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12:04<itd>Walter_White45: Interessting. I guess you need to install the python library 'axolotl'. There isa 'python-axolotl' in backports, that might fix it.
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12:05<Walter_White45>And how to install it? 'apt-get install python-axolotl' don't work
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12:06<itd>!debian-backports
12:06<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
12:07<itd>!backport caveat
12:07<dpkg>Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered.
12:07<MiW>Hi! I had a question about the kernel packages; Im trying to build a custom kernel with a patch applied. I put the patch in linux-4.7.5/debian/patches/bugfix/all
12:07<MiW>Does anyone know if this applies the patches automatically as part of the package build?
12:07<MiW>Or is there another step?
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12:09<Walter_White45>Okay, thanks :)
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12:10<bluca>MiW: edit debian/patches/series and add your patch to the list
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12:11<MiW>bluca - AHhh!! of course, you need to explictly reference the .patch in the series file! it doesnt auto apply based on folder contents
12:12<MiW>bluca - thank you, most appreciated. I dont know why I didnt work that one out myself..
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12:31<Fun>Hey I have a problem with openvpn when I start it as command everything works but using service start throws no error but cant connect
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12:32<jmcnaught>Fun: are you on Debian 8 (jessie)? can you show the commands that you used?
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12:32<Fun>Yes jessie and cli: openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/server.conf
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12:34<jmcnaught>Fun: so with jessie and systemd you get this feature called instantiated services which openvpn uses. Instead of "systemctl start openvpn" you can do "systemctl start openvpn@foo" for /etc/openvpn/foo.conf
12:35<jmcnaught>Fun: take a look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what's going on, and http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/instances.html to understand this systemd feature
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12:36<Fun>thanks this worked i followed the digi ocean guide where the command was the "old" service openvpn start was :/
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13:36<MrClemds>Hi! I'v accidentally use the command : "chown root:root /" and now i cant use su or sudo command from my basic user connected by ssh how i can solve it without reinstalling?
13:37<PerfDave>MrClemds: Are you sure that's the exact command you typed?
13:37<PerfDave>And not "chown -R root:root /" or similar?
13:37<MrClemds>yes with -R
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13:37<PerfDave>MrClemds: You are genuinely better off reinstalling at this stage.
13:37<retrospectacus>definitely
13:38<retrospectacus>how did you get tricked into running that
13:38<PerfDave>If you don't have any way of getting root right now, then there is very little you can do to even start to repair this
13:39<PerfDave>Even if you do, it requires some pretty expert nurturing to be halfway usable again.
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13:40<MrClemds>i can use my root password only with "systemctl reboot"
13:40<PerfDave>I don't think rebooting is going to help
13:41<MrClemds>yes ...
13:41<blast007>MrClemds: is there any data you need off that system?
13:41<MrClemds>only on my lvm
13:41<retrospectacus>it could get you in as root by grub single mode but you have to be physically there, and then what will you do
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13:42<MrClemds>ok so it's better to reinstall ?
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13:42<PerfDave>MrClemds: Yes :)
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13:43<MrClemds>is it better to install debian and then omv or just install omv ?
13:43<PerfDave>I don't know what OMV is
13:43<MrClemds>open media vault
13:44<PerfDave>OMV appears to be a seperate distribution that isn't Debian
13:44<PerfDave>MrClemds: So you probably want to install OMV and talk to #openmediavault on Freenode about it :)
13:44<MrClemds>ok ty bye
13:44<PerfDave>Tata!
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14:04<wargreen>hi debian's peoples !
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14:07<retrospectacus>hi
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14:21<jmlongo>hey
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15:21<tom99>hey stephen0001, do you know why /usr/lib gets restored at the start of system?
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15:21<stephen0001>restored?
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15:21<tom99>yeah I deleted a symlink and made it different in /usr/lib and when I rebooted it went back to the way it was
15:22<tom99>it was involving a library file
15:22<stephen0001>why would you do such thing?
15:22<tom99>i think it might have even created one
15:22<tom99>there's a package in gnome debian that's broken and it only had one library file
15:22<tom99>so i thought maybe if I updated it to the latest version it would work
15:22<stephen0001>you never *ever* deal with links inside /usr/, /bin/, /sbin/, /usr/bin/, /usr/sbin/
15:23<tom99>this was /usr/lib
15:23<tom99>ah ok
15:23<ach><.<
15:23<tom99>well thanks that's good to know
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15:24<tom99>it's a little frustrating when apps get updated dependencies and you can't recompile it or upgrade to it
15:24<tom99>esp when it's a small weather applet or something that really has no justification to be upgrading dependencies at all
15:24<ach>i can tell you what you could chance to lose the possibilty of os file access without hardware data got useless?
15:25<ach>but at least i shouldn't come up with such texts.
15:25<ach>+g
15:26<jmcnaught>tom99: the stable in debian stable means "doesn't change". trying to upgrade a single part of gnome on a stable release is not going to work
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15:48<Mishari>Salam
15:48<Mishari>A question for you all sweets here.
15:48<Mishari>why I can't setup dpkg in Arch and related distros ?
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15:49<PerfDave>Mishari: Not really a Debian-related question TBH - try asking Arch :)
15:49<Mishari>:)
15:50<Mishari>May I know what the reason ?
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15:50<PerfDave>I don't use Arch - I have no idea why you can or cannot do anything in Arch :)
15:51<tom][>i have a network interface with two ipv4 addresses. is it possible to see per-address statistics/counters?
15:51<CutMeOwnThroat>it's surely possible, it's just software… so probably either because you lack knowledge about the sytem or you didn't put enough effort in or both :P
15:52<lindi-_>tom][: you can calculate those for example with an iptables rule
15:52<PerfDave>tom][: That's an interesting question - how does the interface have two addresses? "ip addr add"?
15:52<tom][>PerfDave: yes
15:53<CutMeOwnThroat>tom][, doesn't the kernel do that anyway? I mean… you end up having something like eth0 and eth0:1 and each has one IP and their own counters, or not?
15:53<PerfDave>Hmm, I'm guessing that's tricky
15:53<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: there is not "eth0:1" really
15:53*abrotman looks at PerfDave ...
15:53<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: that's just how ifconfig sees those
15:53<tom][>lindi-_: you mean, by adding a rule to do per-address counting?
15:53<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: the kernel just sees an interface with multiple IPs
15:53<lindi-_>tom][: yep
15:53<PerfDave>CutMeOwnThroat: That's interface aliasing - I suspect that's relatively easy compared to multiple IPs on one interface
15:53<tom][>lindi-_: that should work
15:53*PerfDave hides from abrotman :)
15:53*abrotman winks at PerfDave
15:55<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: also note that the interface counter will count also traffic that has nothing to do with your IP
15:55<lindi-_>CutMeOwnThroat: for example ARP queries sent by other machines to all machines
15:56<CutMeOwnThroat>if you keep regarding those as virtual interfaces, it's the traffic that that interface sees, including arps
15:57<Mishari>but that is strange !
15:58<apb1963>tom][: tcpstat might be the tool you want
15:59<tom][>apb1963: together with tcpdump?
15:59<apb1963>tom][: Or netstat
16:00<apb1963>tom][: No... no tcpdump needed
16:00<tom][>apb1963: tnx. reading
16:00<apb1963>tom][: there are other tools as well
16:00<apb1963>tom][: I could probably find a dozen or more if I looked hard enough.
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16:01<apb1963>tom][: I suspect wireshark has the info as well... but that might be overkill.
16:01<tom][>apb1963: does the kernel have per-address counters? or does the tool need to supply them?
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16:03<lindi-_>tom][: with iptables you can easily add one
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16:03<apb1963>tom][: You're really asking if you can look at if and what the kernel counts... answer is I'm not sure.
16:04<tom][>if it doesn't have such counter, as i suspect, then i think lindi-_'s idea makes sense
16:05<lindi-_>tom][: iptables even has nfacct mode for doing accounting
16:05<lindi-_>tom][: see man iptables-extensions starting at "To use this extension, you have to create an accounting object:"
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16:08<Mishari>love.deb
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16:09<apb1963>tom][: Oh it's a great idea...just more work than I would want to put in. I would simply run an existing tool... but then I don't know your needs so... :)
16:13<lindi-_>nfacct is an existing tool for doing the accounting with iptables though?
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16:34<apb1963>tom][: I think netstat is the interface into the kernel counters for network interfaces. Try netstat -s and see if that's what you want. Easy enough to try. netstat -s and/or netstat -e
16:35<apb1963>tom][: If it's not what you need... at least you know for sure.
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16:38<tom][>apb1963: netstat gives only per-interface and per-protocol stats, afaict
16:38<apb1963>tom][: ok... what did you want?
16:39<tom][>i have a network interface with two ipv4 addresses. is it possible to see per-address statistics/counters?
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16:42<apb1963>tom][: OK... iptraf can do it... wireshark can do it... tcpdump should be able to do it. My personal favorite is wireshark.
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16:43<tom][>ok
16:43<apb1963>tom][: or do it with iptables if you prefer.
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16:47<apb1963>tom][: from the man page:
16:47<apb1963> To print all packets arriving at or departing from sundown:
16:47<apb1963> tcpdump host sundown
16:47<apb1963>Pretty sure you can put an IP address in there instead of a name.
16:47<tom][>yes, you can
16:47<apb1963>tom][: that not sufficient for your needs?
16:48<tom][>but i don't really want to run the nics in promiscuous mode except interactively
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16:50<apb1963>tom][: I'm not sure I know what you mean by interactively... if I remember right (and nothing has changed since then which was a looooooooong time ago) in order to monitor an interface it needs to be put into promiscuos mode.
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16:51<apb1963>tom][: but if iptables is your solution... cool. Just trying to offer up easier alternatives.
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16:52<tom][>apb1963: i mean that i turn the capture on and a bit later i turn it off. it's not a part of the standard server operations
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16:53<apb1963>tom][: well... that's what tcpdump would do afaik.
16:53<tom][>indeed
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16:54<apb1963>yeah if you want to do this on a continual forever basis... iptables would be a more elegant solution.
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17:45<grummund>Hi, having trouble installing a kernel from jessie-backports
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17:46<grummund>linux-image-armmp : Depends: linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-armmp but it is not installable
17:47<grummund>full log here - http://paste.debian.net/842833/
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17:49<lindi-_>grummund: maybe you want linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-armmp-unsigned nowadays?
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17:53<grummund>lindi-_: thanks that works
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17:53<grummund>not sure why linux-image-armmp fails though
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22:33<huyah>hello
22:34<huyah>today, i just update my server
22:34<huyah>$apt-get upgrade -y
22:34<huyah>i recived error http://paste.debian.net/842894/
22:35<huyah>dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18+deb8u6_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127
22:35<dpkg>huyah: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
22:38<jmcnaught>huyah: line 27: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 17: exec: /usr/share/debconf/frontend: not found
22:38<jmcnaught>what did you do with your /usr/share/debconf/frontend?
22:39<huyah>jmcnaught yep
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22:47<huyah>can you help me?
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22:48<huyah>ls: cannot access usr/share/debconf: No such file or directory
22:48<huyah>i don't know
22:49<huyah>sorry. └>ls /usr/share/debconf/frontend => OK
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22:49<jmcnaught>huyah: if that file exists than the error must be complaining that the other file doesn't exist, /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst.
22:49<jmcnaught>huyah: is your hard drive full?
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22:52<huyah>ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: No such file or directory
22:52<huyah>no, my hard frive has more free
22:52<huyah> /dev/simfs 10G 3.9G 6.2G 39% /
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22:53<ederjesus>someone know how to solve hibernate issues (my machine does not boot/black screen after hibernation) when you have a hibrid video card Intel + Nvidia (bumblebee/optimus tenology)?
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22:55<jmcnaught>huyah: that's a tmp directory used by dpkg to run scripts for the packages. The way i interpret the line 27 from your paste is that the preinst script for libc6 tried to invoke /usr/share/debconf/frontend and could not find it
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22:56<jmcnaught>huyah: /dev/simfs, is that an openvz container?
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22:56<huyah>what do i need to do?
22:57<huyah>yep
22:57<huyah>that is VPS of my company
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22:58<jmcnaught>huyah: so you're saying that /usr/share/debconf/frontend does exist?
22:59<jmcnaught>huyah: does the file /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure exist? also what does "apt-cache policy debconf" say?
23:01<huyah>http://paste.debian.net/842905/
23:01<huyah>that is output.
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23:03<jmcnaught>huyah: thanks. sorry i don't understand your error. i think you have broken debconf somehow, i don't know why it can't be found if it exists
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23:04<jmcnaught>huyah: i would check the permissions on /usr/share/debconf/frontend next
23:04<huyah>jmcnaught thank you very much. Omg, how to fix it
23:05<jmcnaught>huyah: you still need to figure out what the problem is
23:05<huyah>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2371 Mar 18 2015 /usr/share/debconf/frontend
23:05<huyah>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4335 Mar 18 2015 /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure
23:05<jmcnaught>huyah: do you get the same error if you run "apt-get upgrade" again?
23:06<huyah>http://paste.debian.net/842906/
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23:54<huyah>jmcnaught i have fixied it =D
23:54<jmcnaught>huyah: what was it?
23:57<huyah>when i type apt-get install -f
23:57<huyah>it report "/usr/bin/env: perl: No such file or directory"
23:57<huyah>and i check perl in system
23:57<huyah>ln -sv /usr/bin/perl5.20.2 /usr/bin/perl
23:57<huyah>All error have fixed :3
23:58<jmcnaught>huyah: thanks for the update. do you know how you lost your /usr/bin/perl in the first place?
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23:59<huyah>sorry. i don't know.
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