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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-01

---Logopened Sat Oct 01 00:00:35 2016
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00:24<calatalee>hey, I need to ask some questions. I'm trying to get a friend to try out linux. He's asking me questions like how safe is community repository, and who can upload to debian repo
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00:28<ryouma>calatalee: others can answer better, but debian's package infrastructure is entirely controlled by signatures, so you know that certain people are their origin. then there is the selection process for those people.
00:28<calatalee>wow thanks :)
00:28<ryouma>calatalee: many distros (e.g. mint) don't even sign the isos
00:28<calatalee>o.o
00:28<calatalee>that's scary
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02:07<smokeyse1>Hello All, I wanted to install taskwarrior on jessie (current stable) but its repo and backport doesn't contain the package. Where Can I get the bp package for the same? http://taskwarrior.org/download/#dist <-- this contains pkgs for wheezy
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02:18<jcrain>how old is wheezy? methinks those instructions have not been updated in a while.
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02:19<jcrain>smokeyse1: taskwarrior is available in the repos so just "apt-get install taskwarrior" should work
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02:31<smokeyse1>jcrain: I was actually looking for latest version as it has timewarrior support. So I can track the timesheet. That feature is not available.
02:31<smokeyse1>Wheezy is 7.0 and I am on 8.3
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02:34<jcrain>smokeyse1: the 2.3.0 version in jessie is not recent enough?
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02:36<jcrain>smokeyse1: you can try a backport
02:37<jcrain>!simple sid backport
02:37<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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02:39<jcrain>smokeyse1: try those instructions if you aren't afraid of compiling the package yourself. or ask the taskworrior maintainer if they will make a backport for you
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06:58<bkupp>hi! which way would you suggest for creating a backup of a folder containing long filenames with special characters? (tar.gz is messed up by the filenames, genisoimage substitutes the long filenames)?
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07:18<grawity>tar.gz should be working just fine... as long as your tar chooses a modern-ish format, I guess
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07:18<grawity>`tar -H pax` might make it work
07:18<grawity>or you could use zip.
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07:20<bkupp>even rsync can't handle hidden files
07:20<bkupp>or files whose path includes /. ...
07:21<bkupp>skipping non-regular file "[...]hplip-3.9.4b_CORR/.libs/libsane-hpaio.so"
07:21<bkupp>rsync: mkstemp "[...]/hplip-3.9.4b_CORR/.hplip-install_Fri-07-Aug-2009_13:28:18.log.dvaGwC" failed: Invalid argument (22)
07:22<grawity>it can handle those fine. you're just holding it wrong
07:22<grawity>though
07:22<grawity>I'm curious what filesystem you're trying to rsync things *to*
07:22<bkupp>it's an usb stick with fat32
07:23<grawity>there's a lot that *fat32* can't handle, however.
07:23<grawity>e.g. filenames with ':' in them
07:23<grawity>or symlinks ("non-regular files")
07:23<grawity>it's fine with foo/.bar though
07:25<grawity>if it's a shared Windows/Linux disk, then ntfs(-3g) can handle all that, although symlinks and ':' names will be inaccessible via Windows... but at least it can store those for Linux.
07:25<grawity>otherwise either put ext4 on it, or archive your stuff with something like `tar --xattr -H pax`
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07:27<bkupp>I'm trying with -H pax now
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07:28<grawity>oh, and
07:28<grawity>fat32 cannot handle files larger than 4 GB, either
07:29<grawity>so you'll probably have to split the archive too
07:29<bkupp>dammit
07:31<grawity>(I forgot to mention that it cannot handle file permissions and owner/group, either)
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08:18<jesterflax>Hello. Can someone help me on how to upgrade my Serbian kernel to 4.3? Thanks in advance
08:19<bremner>Serbian???
08:19<jesterflax>Debian**
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08:19<jesterflax>Phone keyboard mistake
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08:20<bremner>jesterflax: 4.3 I think you'd need to build from source. 4.6 is in backports
08:20<jesterflax>Can I install 4.6 from backports?
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08:20<bremner>sure. backports.debian.org has instructions
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08:21<jesterflax>Cool thanks man :)
08:21<bremner>although I have vague memories of installability problems with that package, hopefully they are fixed.
08:23<jesterflax>You mean with that kernel version?
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08:25<bremner>the bug report is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=838739 ; looks like it should be fixed soon
08:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/838739 in linux-image-amd64 (open): «linux-image-amd64: meta depends on image not available»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-24; last modified: 2016-09-26.
08:27<jesterflax>Ok I am gonna check it out. Thanks again :)
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08:47<cyberoptiq>am I the only one awake on this Saturday morning......
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08:49<cyberoptiq>anyone awake here this Saturday morning....
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08:50<bremner>!ask
08:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:51<cyberoptiq>bremner....just seemed a little quiet....was just wondering.....don't get bent out of shape.....
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08:53<bremner>o.O
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08:56<turol>i have a problem with uefi boot
08:56<turol>my main root is ssd on sata1
08:56<turol>sata2-5 are hdd with raid
08:56<turol>but also contain a mirror of the uesp and root partitions
08:56<turol>the point is to be able to boot from one of the mirror is the ssd fails
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08:57<turol>normal boot from ssd works, i have set up additional uefi boot entries for the other drives (debian2-debian5)
08:57<turol>but the bios can't boot the others if i unplug the ssd
08:57<turol>motherboard is asus z170-k, secure boot is disabled
08:58<turol>how do i convince bios to boot grub from one of the hdds?
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09:22<turol>got uefi to work
09:22<turol>i had copied the uerfimgr commands from here https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#efibootmgr_example_3_-_add_a_new_boot_entry
09:22<turol>shell was mangling the path with backslashes
09:22<turol>someone might wish to update the wiki...
09:23<turol>to get grub to boot i had to manually set root=/dev/sda2 in the menu because the partition uuids are different
09:23<turol>even then it drops to emergency mode because root partition uuids don't match
09:23<turol>is there some nice way to work around this instead of editing /etc/fstab to match?
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09:43<petn-randall>turol: It's always better to reference any partitions with UUIDs. And since your root partition is somwhere on the RAID, it should still have the same UUID even if one of the disks fails.
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09:44<petn-randall>turol: I'm not sure what is failing in the boot process that you have to set root=X manually in grub.
09:44<turol>root is not on raid
09:44<turol>root is on ssd (/dev/sda2)
09:45<turol>with mirros on sdc2 .. sde2
09:45<petn-randall>turol: How is it mirrored?
09:45<turol>i'm simulating ssd failure by unpluggin the cable
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09:45<turol>matching size partition, rsynced over contents of root (with -x)
09:46<turol>so when booting with ssd unplugged, the first hdd (which was sdb) ends up sda
09:46<petn-randall>turol: That setup is quite unusual. I guess you won't be able to work around it other than adding grub entries for every root partition.
09:46<turol>grub automatically finds the mirror and adds boot entries
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09:46<turol>the problem comes from i think /etc/fstab
09:47<petn-randall>turol: Is there a reason you chose rsync of the root partitions over RAID?
09:47<turol>which points to root by uuid which no longer exists
09:47<turol>yeah, hdd is much slower than ssd
09:47<petn-randall>turol: Indeed, every /etc/fstab needs to be different.
09:47<turol>so keeping root on ssd in normal operation makes everything faster
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09:47<petn-randall>turol: Indeed, I see.
09:47<turol>but if every fstab is different automated syncing gets difficult
09:47<turol>currently i have a script in cron.daily which syncs them up
09:48<turol>i'd have to add something to manually fix fstab
09:48<turol>but since i now can boot up the system without the ssd at least to the point that the new root is mounted
09:48<turol>i should be able to modify fstab at that point
09:48<petn-randall>turol: If you rsync a live system, there are changes for it to become inconsistent, anyway. But yeah, you'd have to exclude /etc/fstab and have individual copies on all of them.
09:49<petn-randall>*chances
09:49<turol>assuming i ever need this setup i should be able to make it work
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09:49<turol>slightly inconsistent root is better than no root
09:49<turol>shouldn't be anything major since cron.daily is run at night when i'm not actively changing the system
09:49<turol>so it should be mostly idle, with only automatic processes
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09:50<petn-randall>turol: You can probably tweak this setup by using LVM and taking snapshots which you use for mirroring.
09:50<turol>no package installation or anything tricky
09:50<turol>i could but that would be a lot of work
09:50<petn-randall>turol: That will probably be ok. But if you want to tweak it, look into LVM.
09:50<turol>i'd have to reinstall root on lvm for one thing
09:50<turol>which is one of the things i wanted to avoid
09:51<mots>I wonder why LVM still isn't the default in the debian installer.
09:51<turol>but like i said, it's a backup in case the ssd fails in which case some manual intervention is required anyway
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09:53<petn-randall>mots: It's more complex to understand and use than plain partitions that people are used to since the MS-DOS days. And in some cases like VMs it might not make much sense, depending on the use case.
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09:54<Ydjeen>hi guys. I'm using 4.7.0 kernel+headers from backports and i'm trying to install nvidia drivers. But when i install them, i get an error "include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing" when module is builded for kernel. Can someone help me ? Thanks.
09:54<turol>Ydjeen: are your nvidia drivers sufficiently new to support that kernel?
09:55<turol>mots: also lvm is another layer of abstraction, there's one more thing to go wrong and it hinders things like interoperability with other OSes since hey would also have to understand LVM
09:55<Ydjeen>thx for a good question, i'll check it :)
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10:29<caiyrapanda>Hello I have a question when i exit an ssh connection i am allowed to enter back without it prompting the passphrase for the sshkey how do I turn off this behaviour?
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10:41<Echoz>caiyrapanda: If you don't want to enter the passphrase you need something to save it for you, ssh-agent for example
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13:18<thefallenlad>Hi
13:18<thefallenlad>If im changing the default python version to 3.4
13:19<thefallenlad>will there be any issue? im using debian jessie 8.5
13:19<thefallenlad>pls help, im trying to use django/python3 but not sure on the impact if i change the python default version
13:20<jcrain>thefallenlad: what are you planning on doing, updating the symlinks?
13:20<thefallenlad>jcrain: yes
13:21<jcrain>thefallenlad: yes, probably there will be problems since a lot of the python2 scripts will not work with python3.
13:21<jcrain>I don't know about django but can't it default to using /usr/bin/python3 instead?
13:22<thefallenlad>no i have to set 3 as default
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13:22<thefallenlad>guess i have to use virtualenv, im not seeing any other options then
13:22<thefallenlad>pls suggest if any
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13:24<jcrain>thefallenlad: there's a python3-django package
13:24<jcrain>though I don't use it so I don't know if that would satisfy your needs
13:25<thefallenlad>Thats exactly what i wanted
13:25<thefallenlad>thanks a lot :)
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14:05<enavarrocu>anyone here?
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14:08<Bluto>enavar: No, we're mostly at our homes/offices at the computer
14:08<enavarrocu>hello Bluto
14:08<enavarrocu>I have an issue with my system time
14:09<enavarrocu>something is changing my clock
14:09<enavarrocu>http://pastebin.com/ftSiu6vg
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14:11<jcrain>enavarrocu: probably ntp is updating your clock. is that a problem?
14:12<enavarrocu>@jcrain no ntp was not installed
14:12<enavarrocu>jcrain actually what happen my clock is out of sync for about 2 minutes
14:13<enavarrocu>jcrain: I installed ntp to keep it in sync then I discover that
14:13<jcrain>enavarrocu: systemd can update it too
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14:14<jcrain>try "timedatectl"
14:16<enavarrocu>the same
14:16<enavarrocu>something is wrong
14:16<enavarrocu>I can
14:16<enavarrocu>I can't find it
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14:17<enavarrocu>jcrain: check how the time change here http://pastebin.com/pkcsN0nf
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14:20<jcrain>enavarrocu: I don't know if "Time has been changed" messages are really a problem. Could be systemd is just being spammy.
14:21<enavarrocu>the problem is not the message itself
14:21<awal1>enavarrocu, are you dualbooting with windows?
14:21<enavarrocu>no
14:21<olspookishmagus>what's the tool used to generate such diagrams? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Autoconf-automake-process.svg
14:21<olspookishmagus>or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?absolute=0;collapse=1;fixed=xscreensaver%2F5.34-2;fixed=xscreensaver%2F5.30-1%2Bdeb8u2;format=png;found=xscreensaver%2F5.30-1;found=xscreensaver%2F5.30-1%2Bdeb8u1;found=xscreensaver%2F5.34-1;height=;ignore_boring=1;package=xscreensaver;width=;info=0
14:21<jcrain>so what is the problem? ntpd set the clock wrong?
14:21<bremner>olspookishmagus: maybe dot (graphviz)
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14:22<enavarrocu>the problem is the time actually change every I sync it
14:22<awal1>enavarrocu, what timedatectl status shows? paste.debian.net
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14:22<enavarrocu>https://paste.debian.net/851477/
14:23<enavarrocu>it say 24 but the real time is 22 at that moment
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14:23<enavarrocu>if I run ntpd -qg
14:23<olspookishmagus>thanks graphviz was what I was looking for
14:23<enavarrocu>it change and something change it back
14:24<awal1>what if you disable DST?
14:25<enavarrocu>I can do that, but the problem is with the minutes, not with the hours
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14:27<awal1>btw, I don't see any reference to DST stuff in timedatectl man
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14:29<awal1>enavarrocu, curiosity: how you enable DST/disable it?
14:30<enavarrocu>ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+1 /etc/localtime
14:30<enavarrocu>for example
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14:31<awal1>ok
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14:31<enavarrocu>but that does not help
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14:32<awal1>setting RTC local is enough, as I know, anyway
14:33<awal1>RTC to utc ^
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14:33<enavarrocu>already tried, same issue
14:34<awal1>your paste shows that your local rtc is already set to utc, not to local
14:35<enavarrocu>yes yes, before was in local
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14:38<awal1>enavarrocu, I guess you're not using debian
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14:38<enavarrocu>I'm using debian
14:39<enavarrocu>check how crazy this is
14:39<enavarrocu>https://paste.debian.net/851482/
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14:41<awal1>googling seems like debian doesn't use systemd-timesyncd by default
14:41*jcrain shrugs
14:42<jcrain>I tried those ntp/timedatectl/date commands and it works as expected
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15:01<enavarrocu>jcrain: Of course they work, in my is not working for a reason
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16:29<JosephineBlack>Hallo 1.oct 2016 everyone
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16:33<JosephineBlack>Hallo
16:34<JosephineBlack>how are u today?
16:34<JosephineBlack>I hope well :-)
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16:44<petn-randall>Hi JosephineBlack, this is the Debian support channel. If you want to chat, there are better places, like #debian-offtopic.
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16:54<blu>hi guys. I just found a strange unrotated logfile on my debian 8 server: http://paste.debian.net/851172/ can you explain why du -sh wont show me the actual size of the folder? --aparent-size for du helps. I have a couple of other servers and on those the file is consistently 286K. I found this as the file is messing with my backup tool - is there a problem with the size of lastlog?
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17:01<petn-randall>blu: There is a difference between on-disk space used, and file size. For example, a file can be 100 bytes large, but it will usually take up 4k on-disk space (the block size). It's als possible for files to be larger than their on-disk size: When they contain sparse holes. It's that parts of the file are marked as "all this region is null bytes", so the filesystem doesn't actually have to write that
17:01<petn-randall>to disk.
17:01<petn-randall>blu: So I'm guessing the file contains a huge sparse hole region.
17:03<blu>petn-randall, is it normal for /var/log/lastlog to have such huge sparse holes? Do you have an idea what could have triggered this?
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17:06<petn-randall>blu: Not really, but it shouldn't be that large, either way. Do you maybe have something automated logging in all the time, like a monitoring service?
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17:12<blu>petn-randall, no - a monitoring client but no external monitoring of ssh every second or sth. Very strange. As far as I know it runs some windows orchestration thingy, so I'm not perfectly sure what it does
17:13<petn-randall>blu: run 'lastlog' and you'll see how many entries there really are.
17:14<petn-randall>blu: If you verified that the content is not important to you, you can safely delete and then just keep an eye on it if it grows any further.
17:14<blu>petn-randall, just did, lastlog wo arguments? the output fits on one normal screen.
17:15<blu>mostly system users "never logged in" and one or two others
17:16<blu>so basically a echo > /var/log/lastlog ?
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17:16<blu>no exciting arguments in man lastlog. very strange that it grew that large..
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17:23<petn-randall>blu: There's always the chance that it got corruped on an unclean shutdown or something. But you could also scan through it with an editor to see if something suspicious is in there.
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17:23<blu>petn-randall, i'll try strings on it. looks quite binary in less x)
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23:30<sleser>hi is it posible to install acestream engin player on 8.6 and not have problems to the system later ?
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23:31<sleser>(acestream-engine) ?
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23:42<master007>how do i remove: add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa
23:42<master007>?
23:44<master007>i was able to add but dont know how to remove
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23:58<themill>master007: PPAs are not for debian
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