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00:12<vortek>is there a way to list packages installed with there file size? or greater then a number?
00:13<vortek>i mean a way to list packages installed that are greater then 100 meg
00:15<jmcnaught>vortek: try the dpigs script from the debian-goodies package
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00:21<vortek>ok
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00:25<vortek>how do i make ls's output sort by filesize?
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00:26<themill>-S (it has a man page)
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00:28<vortek>i figured it out
00:29<vortek>but yeah S
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00:32<vortek>well i just rm'd all of apt /archives
00:33<vortek>but thats not whats taking up my space, oh well l try dpigs. now that i gt enough free space to install it
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00:35<themill>"apt-get clean"
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00:38<vortek>question.. dpigs siad linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is taking up like 155 megs , can i delete it? or will that delete my actual kernel?
00:38<vortek>themill, thaxs
00:38<vortek>thanxs
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00:39<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
00:39<vortek>sup
00:40<cousin_luigi>At times I have trouble finding which fd is preventing me from remounting a partition in ro mode. I thought lsof was a panacea in that regard, but it didn't help.
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01:03<vortek>i wonder if the kvirc bug is fixed hehe
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01:16<jhutchins>So I'm late to the party, but openoffice.com is a malware site. It's suprrising that a major project like that let itself get hijacked.
01:20<vortek>heh wow
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01:21<vortek>man debian complaining my dsk is full .. its a week old install. and i havent dl'd any movies or anything big. What can I do?
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01:23<themill>vortek: "debian complaining" means what
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01:30<vortek>says low disk space
01:31<vortek>but du -h shows 412 gig free in /home
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01:34<vortek>wait ill give you the exact error
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01:48<mendax>ola
01:48<vortek>themill http://paste.debian.net/852211/
01:48<vortek>that my apt-get update output and errors saying no space left on drive
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01:49<vortek>but i got over 400 gigs free in home acording to du -h
01:49<jmcnaught>vortek: what does "df" say?
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01:50<jmcnaught>vortek: if home is a different volume or partition from root, its free space has no relation to root's free space
01:51<vortek>ahh crap!
01:51<vortek>heh
01:52<vortek>jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/852212/
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01:53<themill>that seems to answer the question pretty easily
01:54<vortek>? im lost
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01:54<themill>/dev/mapper/Gardian--vg-root 9480420 9209876 0 100% /
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01:56<vortek>im still lost
01:56<vortek>i know its 100% but what is i?
01:56<themill>your / is full
01:56<vortek>oh hrm
01:56<vortek>how could that be
01:57<vortek>can you help me remedy the situation?
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02:00<jmcnaught>vortek: you could shrink /dev/mapper/Gardian--vg-home and use the freed space to grow /dev/mapper/Gardian--vg-root
02:01<vortek> i dont know how to do that
02:01<vortek>any guides you can point me too>?
02:01<jmcnaught>vortek: to shrink your home logical volume the filesystem will need to be ummounted
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02:03<jmcnaught>vortek: you're using LVM. Redhat has an excellent "Logical Volume Manager Administration" manual online that explains LVM, shows basic commands for lots of tasks
02:04<themill>10G for / should be manageable although that depends entirely on what you install
02:04<vortek>thanxs jmcnaught
02:05<vortek>e almighty google!
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02:07<jmcnaught>vortek: you'll want to read the man pages resize2fs(8), lvreduce(8), lvextend(8)
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02:13<vortek>thankyou
02:14<vortek>well this is a fresh install as of last week
02:14<vortek>only thing i need to save is my boomarks.html file
02:15<vortek>but if i reinstall ill probaly run into the same problem? so i guess i should just fix it>?
02:15<vortek>hrm
02:15<vortek>find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied
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02:16<vortek>im trying to search for files over 500 Megs and i get that
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02:17<vortek>find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied
02:17<themill>You probably want to give find the '-xdev'
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02:21<vortek>k
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02:24<astronut>OK, I'm completely stumped by this one. Both ctrl keys started not working in X. I'm running awesome on Jessie. Haven't made any changes recently that I can think of. They work fine on the TTYs. xev shows nothing.
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02:25<astronut>I restarted awesome, I restarted the whole computer, no luck.
02:25<astronut>They sometimes come back, but then they go away.
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02:33<vortek>jmcnaught, one question were am i susposed to get the free space from?
02:36<jmcnaught>vortek: you have two logical volumes. one for root that is full, another for home which is large and has free space. You can shrink the filesystem on the home LV, reduce the home LV's size. Then you will have free space that you can use to extend the root LV, and then grow the filesystem on the root LV
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02:37<vortek>thanxs!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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02:37<vortek>i much space should i give root LV?
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02:40<jmcnaught>vortek: mine is 19GB and i'm using 13GB. requirements vary depending on what you install
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02:41<vortek>ok
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02:47<vortek>im trying to find a step by step guide with no luck eh
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02:47<vortek>i gues ill read the redhat guide
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02:53<vortek>vvvin that guide...
02:53<vortek>in that guide by redhat. resize2fs th word is not found
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03:00<jmcnaught>vortek: i recommended the Redhat manual for context on LVM so you understand what it is. That manual does cover growing and shrinking volumes. Logical volumes contain filesystems, just like partitions can also.
03:01<vortek>jmcnaught, from what ive been reading on google i will lose my data , correctc?
03:01<jmcnaught>vortek: so i also recommended reading the man page for resize2fs because it is a separate operation
03:01<vortek>ok
03:01<jmcnaught>vortek: you should have a backup, but you can do this nondestructively
03:01<vortek>how hehe
03:02<jmcnaught>vortek: by learning how to do it from reading the manuals.
03:04<vortek>GREAT GUIDE explaning what lvm is
03:04<vortek>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
03:04<vortek>true
03:07<vortek>and the order i run commands is lvreduce, lvextend, resize2fs?
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03:12<jmcnaught>vortek: the order will be resize2fs, lvreduce, lvextend, resize2fs
03:15<vortek>jmcnaught, i found a neat easy guide
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03:18<vortek>i cant figure out what i have to unmount heh
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03:19<jmcnaught>vortek: you'll need to do this from a live boot, or possibly a rescue boot
03:20<vortek>dohh!
03:20<jmcnaught>vortek: i strongly encourage you to read the man pages for the commands you're using and do not simply enter commands not knowing what they do
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03:21<vortek>true good point
03:21<vortek>im wondein if i should just reinstall
03:22<vortek>crap i need my cd's even for rescue mode correct?
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03:36<niteen>hi i am new to linux. unable to update chrome browser via synaptic. it doesnot show the latest release. any help please
03:38<jmcnaught>niteen: Debian comes with chromium, is that what you mean? Did you update?
03:40<niteen>yes. i even downloaded latest deb package from google chrome website. but installer says 'wrong architecture'. same problems with updating firefox.
03:41<jmcnaught>niteen: for the google chrome packages from their website, you're better off asking google about those but it sounds like you downloaded the wrong one.
03:42<jmcnaught>niteen: how were you updating firefox?
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03:44<niteen>went to synaptic first. it still lists older release. and i dont know how to install a tar.gz file
03:46<jmcnaught>niteen: Debian provides the Enterprise Support Release version of Firefox, it's not that old and it gets security updates
03:47<jmcnaught>!mdn
03:47<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable.
03:47<jmcnaught>niteen: see the instructions at this website for how to install firefox-release if that's really essential for you, don't use a tar.gz file
03:49<niteen>Thanks a lot sir. will check with the given website.
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04:39<astronut>OK, I'm completely stumped by this one. Both ctrl keys started not working in X. I'm running awesome on Jessie. Haven't made any changes recently that I can think of. They work fine on the TTYs. xev shows nothing.
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04:39<astronut>I restarted awesome, I restarted the whole computer, no luck.
04:39<astronut>They sometimes come back, but then they go away.
04:39<astronut>Though, they haven't "come back" in a while.
04:39<astronut>I've tried a few theories and got nothing - it's gotta be a software issue
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05:04<astronut>i stand corrected - it is hardware
05:04<astronut>never mind
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05:54<cousin_luigi>Can you recommend a tool other than lsof to find out why I can't remount a volume as ro?
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05:56<libregeekingkid[m]>Yep
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06:58<gebruiker>Infinality on the debian wiki page is soo outdated
06:58<gebruiker>is can only find ppa´s
06:58<gebruiker>does anyone know of any repositories?
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07:14<bremner>gebruiker: what is the actual package name in debian?
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07:15<gebruiker>bremner, it is not in official debian or ubuntu, but mentioned in the wiki because Infinality is million years ahead of fontconfig
07:16<gebruiker>debian wiki that is
07:16<gebruiker>https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Infinality_for_Debian
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07:19<MaDDoG2000>Hello all !
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07:23<cousin_luigi>grawity: Thanks, that looks promising.
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07:49<jeremy_>hello, I have a problem with my server. After 2/3 days, my CPU increase of 25% to 100%
07:50<jeremy_>with htop, the problem seems to be a kernel thread (ksoftirqd/0)
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07:52<jeremy_>here the perf top return command: http://pix.louiz.org/o/tlvjx.png
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07:54<bremner>gebruiker: it looks like the infinality web site is dead. Maybe that's the first step, figuring out if the project still exists
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07:56<jeremy_>Anyone can help me? The only one solution I found is reboot my server
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08:02<Human_G33k>jeremy_, which version of debian ?
08:02<jeremy_>the lastest stable
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08:05<Human_G33k>jeremy_, do you only add official repo ? (main ,contrib ,non-free)
08:06<Human_G33k>did you install some software from sources (git or others ) ?
08:06<jeremy_>Human_G33k, I use other repo (dotdeb/debian_backports/multimedia)
08:07<jeremy_>and yes, I use software from sources
08:07<Human_G33k>humm
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08:12<Human_G33k>ok you have a software from non official repo i guess which receive to much network request or you are under attack. i find it here https://askubuntu.com/questions/7858/why-is-ksoftirqd-0-process-using-all-of-my-cpu#7919
08:13<Human_G33k>jeremy_, maybe to much torrents ;)
08:14<bremner>jeremy_: how much network traffic is the server sustaining?
08:14<bremner>iftop is a simple tool that can help answer that.
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08:34<jeremy_>Human_G33k, only 30
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08:37<jeremy_>bremner, how can I read iftop?
08:38<jeremy_>i think it's 13 MB/s
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08:39<ptk>hey
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08:44<bremner>jeremy_: hmm. I'm not really an expert, but I guess that could be the cause. The top CPU use in your screenshot looks like it has something to do with packet filtering.
08:45<jeremy_>bremner, 13 MB/s is few
08:45<bremner>jeremy_: you could try throttling the network traffic back at the application level and see if makes a difference.
08:45<jeremy_>the server should be a 1 Gb/s
08:45<bremner>the raw wire speed and what the server can actually process are unrelated.
08:46<ptk>I might be able to help, what's the problem ?
08:46<jeremy_>bremner, when CPU is 100%, the max speed is 3 MB/s
08:46<jeremy_>ptk, my CPU goes 25% to 100% in 3 days
08:46<jeremy_>with no new process
08:47<jeremy_>with htop, it seems it's a kernel thread who use that 100%
08:47<jeremy_>((ksoftirqd/0)
08:47<jeremy_>here the perf top return command: http://pix.louiz.org/o/tlvjx.png
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08:49<jeremy_>I already throttle the trafic to 10 MB/s instead of 24 MB/s. And during 2 days, 10 MB/s use 25%. The 3rd days it begin to 100%
08:49<jeremy_>bremner
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08:50<ptk>first of all ,you need to track all running process on you server even those process with root permission, try this command to get all running processes
08:50<ptk>ps -U root -u root -N
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08:51<jeremy_>I just reboot my server, so my CPU is now at 25%, ptk
08:51<jeremy_>should I do that or should I wait these 3 days?
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08:55<ptk>you should do that now ,and if the server got 100% again you will compare the processes that run now with those that are running when server got overhead and then you will be able to catch processes that consume all resources .
08:57<jeremy_>ok
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09:01<ptk>cool , just extract the result of terminal to a file to make comparing easier, use this command top > location_of_file.txt
09:02<jeremy_>I'll. where can I paste?
09:03<ptk>you don't need to past , just type this command and it will export the result to a text file
09:04<jeremy_>So i'll come next week-end with these!
09:04<jeremy_>thank you
09:04<ptk>anytime
09:05<petn-randall>ptk: Have you actually tried that before suggesting it?
09:07<ptk>yes
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09:10<petn-randall>jeremy_: Are you running Raspbian?
09:11<jeremy_>petn-randall, no, debian on a server
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09:15<petn-randall>jeremy_: Can you show us the output of 'uname -a'?
09:15<jeremy_>petn-randall, Linux bay 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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09:16<petn-randall>jeremy_: If you have a 64 bit CPU it shouldn't give you such a load for 13 MB/s traffic.
09:16<jeremy_>what do you mean?
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09:18<jeremy_>petn-randall, what do you mean
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09:20<petn-randall>jeremy_: That your server shouldn't be so busy for netfiltering only 13 MB/s traffic. Do you have a firewall running on that machine?
09:21<jeremy_>I think, yes
09:21<jeremy_>not sure
09:21<petn-randall>jeremy_: Did you configure one?
09:21<jeremy_>petn-randall, using a tutorial, yes
09:22<petn-randall>jeremy_: Can you show us the output of 'iptables -L -vn'? → http://paste.debian.net
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09:22<jeremy_>petn-randall, I have Logwatch, fail2ban
09:25<jeremy_>petn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/852488/
09:25<jeremy_>so many ip…
09:26<jeremy_>petn-randall, please say me can I delete it
09:28<petn-randall>jeremy_: How did you set portsentry up? You are filtering all these IPs, and logging/dropping them if they have more than 3 packets per minute. Is there a reason you are doing that?
09:28<petn-randall>jeremy_: We could improve that, but I don't know yet how you have that machine set up.
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09:29<jeremy_>petn-randall, portsentry is to avoid scan of port
09:32<jeremy_>Can I delete it, petn-randall?
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09:45<petn-randall>jeremy_: You could, but portsentry would just add it again.
09:46<petn-randall>jeremy_: Is this server reachable over the internet?
09:46<jeremy_>yes
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09:55<petn-randall>jeremy_: Then I'd not log any port scan attempts at all and not even drop packets.
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09:56<jeremy_>petn-randall, you think it would change something?
09:57<petn-randall>jeremy_: Probably, at the moment every packets has to traverse the complete chain before being passed to the service.
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09:57<jeremy_>ok, I'll test someday
09:58<petn-randall>jeremy_: Allowing established connection through as rule #1 would already improve things a lot.
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10:59<Xylon>heya guys
11:00<Xylon>If I rent a movie from YouTube will I be able to watch it?
11:00<mtn>Xylon: you are kidding right? did you even try to use youtube?
11:01<Xylon>mtn: I watch YouTube all the time but last time I tried to rent a movie (couple of years ago) it refused to let me watch it
11:01<mtn>Xylon: hmm, how is that different from normal youtube? drm protected, like netflix?
11:02<Xylon>it either requires DRM or flash, can't remember
11:02<mtn>Xylon: the newest version of firefox is supposed to do netflix by default and chrome has done it for some time.
11:02<Xylon>OK thanks
11:02<mtn>Xylon: my guess that chrome would do it no problem, if not firefox
11:03<Xylon>OK I'll try it later today
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12:04<bremner>is there a good tool in debian for diffing html files? I'd like to hide certain uninteresting changes (i.e. added or deleted newlines in the file)
12:05<mtn>bremner: would meld work for what you want to do?
12:05<bremner>hmm. I tried kdiff3, but maybe I didn't tweak the correct options
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12:09<guilherme>Hi I am getting the error "usb 3-7: device descriptor read/64, error -110" at dmesg and I believe it is due to my bluetooth card. Is it possible to desactivate it (I mean, do not load its modules on boot time)?
12:09<mtn>guilherme: you can blacklist modules so they don't load at startup
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12:12<guilherme>Ok, but, my card have wifi and bluetooth togheter. Is it still possible?
12:12<mtn>guilherme: sure, but if it is the one module, you will lose both, of course
12:12<jhutchins>guilherme: They are separate systems, you can use rfkill to turn off bluetooth.
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12:15<guilherme>but I still would like to use bluetooth. I have one of those external usb. With rfkill can I turn off just the one on the card?
12:15<jhutchins>guilherme: Yes, you can turn it off and back on again.
12:16<t4b>Trying to build latest kernel. Following: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official I think for 4.8rc8 I can add a deb-src line for experimental and then follow the instructions for "Rebuilding official Debian kernel packages" right?
12:17<t4b>That deb-src line should cause no problems in my system which tracks testing?
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12:17<bremner>t4b: you want #debian-next for testing support. The answer to your question is a qualified yes.
12:18<t4b>bremner: Sorry and thanks.
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12:26<melan>hi
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12:36<timBandTech>debian testing with lxde rocks! Thank you
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13:17<petn-randall>bremner: diff has the -w option to ignore all whitespace.
13:18<alumno>hola
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13:45<zathras>when on Debian Jessie I try to install a nodejs module through npm I get a 404 by default. What is wrong here?
13:45<zathras>that is: on dependencies. Including trivial ones like bootstrap
13:45<santa>всем привет
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13:46<santa>кто не спит? кто знает руский?
13:47<ZeroDarkLux>Hello, I'm trying to preseed a debian box, I was trying to setup an admin user that would be able to sudo like amazon does in its debian boxes. How ever the installer says I cannot create the admin user...
13:48<ZeroDarkLux>Is there a way to do that? or simply create a box without root password, and a user also without password and just an ssh key authorized?
13:48<Guest874>!ru | santa
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13:48<santa>что только на англиском?
13:48<Guest874>santa: #debian-russian , #debian-russian
13:48<Guest874>santa: #debian-russian , #debian-ru*
13:49<santa>спасибо )
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13:50<zathras>ZeroDarkLux, why? It sounds if you really want to shoot yourself in the foot
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13:52<James_Freewall>i just ran rm -rf / and now nothing is working
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13:52<James_Freewall>it didn't read my really fast
13:53<ZeroDarkLux>zathras, why shot in the foot? This is for a KVM VM box for internal use only. I'm currently trying to play with vagrant, ansible, and others... but I do not want to use pre built boxes, I want to build my own.
13:53<James_Freewall>read my mail*
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13:56<zathras>Debian expects a root account. But with some trickery you can semi disable it like Ubuntu and indulge on your sudo fetish. admin is afaik a reserved username, so come up with an alternative. But at best you can make it semi root and lots of packages require root rights to be properly installed so you will be in for a world of hurt
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13:57<zathras>now given that you did not have this knowledge chances are you will indeed will run into serious trouble
13:59<jcrain>i don't know what amazon does with it's boxes, but sudo works just fine in debian.
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14:01<jmcnaught>zathras: all you have to do is not enable the root account in the installer, the user you create will be added to the sudo group
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14:01<jmcnaught>zathras: d-i passwd/root-login boolean false
14:01<vortek>tru
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14:04<ZeroDarkLux>what about creating the admin user?
14:04<jmcnaught>oh sorry wrong person
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14:04<ZeroDarkLux>I understand the passwd/root-login boolean false, that works ok
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14:06<ZeroDarkLux>sudo also works ok, my question was about: completely disable password access for both root and user and use only a key to access the box
14:06<jmcnaught>ZeroDarkLux: i'm not aware of admin being a reserved user name, are you getting some sort of error when you use that username?
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14:06<jmcnaught>ZeroDarkLux: oh.. you'll probably need to use 'd-i preseed/late_command' to add an ssh key for the admin user
14:08<zathras>iirc since the last two stable Debian distros you cannot add user admin in the installer. However it does not exist as a <1000 uid user on my system. So you would need to do some reason on the subject
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14:09<ZeroDarkLux>I see, I found "admin is
14:09<ZeroDarkLux>included because it's a "Other miscellaneous system users/groups created by
14:09<ZeroDarkLux>common packages"."
14:09<jcrain>and you can edit sshd_config to disallow password logins and require keys
14:09<zathras>before you could add a user called admin, but that would just be a name. Usually such a user was manually added to the wheel-group
14:10<jmcnaught>if you're using ansible or something similar, i would use that to update sshd_config
14:10<zathras>iirc there are some negative aspects in doing so
14:10<ZeroDarkLux>I guess I'll just forget that for the moment, everything else is working ok already. I'll just disable the password login inthe late_command
14:11<ZeroDarkLux>jmcnaught, the purpose of this whole thing is to have a box ready for my ansible tets
14:11<ZeroDarkLux>*tests
14:11<ZeroDarkLux>I'm just trying to have a default box with sane defaults
14:12<ZeroDarkLux>finding the right middle term between preseed and ansible taking over is still not clear to me, and not even to mention that I see a log of examples with vagrant...
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14:12<jmcnaught>ZeroDarkLux: is 'admin can log in with passwords' that big an issue in the short window between bootstrap and first ansible run? all i would do in the preseed is include the admin user's ssh key so that ansible-playbook doesn't need to prompt you for a login password
14:12<ZeroDarkLux>Currently I was using virt-install to create my boxes
14:13<ZeroDarkLux>jmcnaught, that sound like a good plan
14:13<zathras>any takers for my question regarding npm/nodejs please?
14:13<ZeroDarkLux>thank you for your comments
14:14<jmcnaught>zathras: are you using the npm/nodejs packaged for Debian?
14:14<zathras>yes I am
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14:14<zathras>I even installed nodejs-legacy just to be sure
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14:15<jmcnaught>zathras: the packages included in Debian do no get security support, it's in the Jessie release notes, just so you're aware
14:15<zathras>that is ok. Current setup is my for my local workstation
14:16<zathras>the command I try is: npm install --save angular2-calendar
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14:18<jmcnaught>zathras: if you get a 404 error, maybe some npm cached package list needs to be updated? or some npm package maintainer messed up
14:19<zathras>jmcnaught, do you have any recommendations in case I would want to run it on an internet connected server?
14:21<jmcnaught>zathras: my strategy has been to avoid that whole ecosystem, but if that's not an option there are third-party repos with more up to date node.js
14:22<jmcnaught>that's not ideal, if it were me i might even try to have node.js run in a container that's easy to replace or rebuild so the host Debian system doesn't get borked upgrades
14:22<zathras>I really dislike all these alternative eco systems like pear, pecl, npm, gems, you name it. imho they are a system administrators nightmare
14:22*jmcnaught has some trust issues with third party repos.
14:22<jmcnaught>yeah
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14:23<zathras>they are designed for/by people who like the latest of the latest (frontend) toys and have no clue on how to maintain a stable system
14:23<jmcnaught>npm is the ultimate madness that i've found. no standard library, packages with hundreds of dependencies, some only a few lines long.
14:24<zathras>however lots of things are not packaged or are seriously lagging behind, being the nature of Debian
14:24<zathras>gems can make your life also quite miserable
14:25<jmcnaught>with any language package manager, i only install packages locally for a user (not system wide). Maybe npm has a feature like python's virtualenvs
14:28<Nickkk>how can i force my box to use grub? i have a dualboot with windows but it doesnt find grum unless i select to boot from the debs hdd? :/
14:28<zathras>I am new to the whole misery of npm, but from what I have read you can install libs locally being the directory/path from which you ran npm. Which sounds semi ok
14:28<Nickkk>grub*
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14:29<zathras>jmcnaught, how can I create a local index of packages? (if that is even possible)
14:29<zathras>Nickkk, force grub onto sector 0 of you boot drive
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14:30<zathras>*your
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14:32<zathras>Nickkk, see also: https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows10
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14:32<jmcnaught>zathras: i can't remember if npm has a locally cached package index, or if it just searches online every time it's run. The man page (that i skimmed) mentions an 'index' subcommand, but i don't know what it does
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14:37<zathras>jmcnaught, I tried a tutorial and started with a search command. Now it is building a local index
14:37<zathras>thanls
14:37<zathras>*thanks
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14:39<jmcnaught>zathras: have fun with it, and look up the leftpad story if you aren't familiar, kinda scary
14:39<zathras>jmcnaught, leftpad ?
14:40<zathras>ah, googled it
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14:40<jmcnaught>BANANAS
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14:42<zathras>if you pay peanuts ... :P
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14:48<zathras>lol. building a local index caused an out of memory error. Currently I have over 16 GB of RAM free ...
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14:54<jmcnaught>zathras: not really a platform i've chosen to invest in :)
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16:44<zhanshan>hi
16:45<zhanshan>i would like to make a safe backup of an external ntfs-disk using debian 8. what's the best bet?
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16:56<zhanshan>shall I use rsync -rtv or -vvaE or ... ?
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16:59<zhanshan>or -bavv
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17:55<crash_>rsync -avh --progress is what i use
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18:38<Jessie_jesses>jessie amd64
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19:04<Princesita3>Hola
19:04<Princesita3>Alguien habla por aqui
19:05<Princesita3>HOla
19:05<Princesita3>HOla
19:05<Princesita3>Hola
19:05<Princesita3>HOla
19:05<Princesita3>Hola
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19:57<brian>This is it
19:57<musca>hello brian
19:58<brian>Hello
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23:00<hazard2>is it possible to change the UID of the shadow group without hosing the system?
23:01<hazard2>(I need the GID for something that can't change IDs for something else)
23:04<themill>the shadow group is statically allocated -- I don't know what assumes it is 42 rather than "shadow"
23:05<hazard2>yea, that's what I'm afraid of :/
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23:36<homer>guys how to start with a minimal debian
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23:39<jmcnaught>homer: use the netinst installer image. on the the screen that asks which additional software to install, only select standard utilities (and ssh server if you want).
23:40<jmcnaught>homer: here's a link to the install manual that answers most questions: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual :)
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23:42<homer>thanks
23:42<themill>or indeed use any installation image and follow the same advice.
23:42<jmcnaught>yeah they all work the same, the larger ones simply have more packages on them
23:43<themill>It all depends on what you define as "minimal". There will be some things in "standard utilities" that you don't want but most you will
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